#Wandavision theory

[idkbroletssee]

"Billy is ungrateful to Wanda" is such a shallow take.

The Kaplans sheltered him from ending up LIKE Wanda-alone, unbound & misguided with all that crazy potential. They instilled good values, making him the brave and empathetic kid who stepped up, controlled his powers, chose to be good, and will root for Wanda cuz he sees the good in her too(Children's crusade).

Wanda is supposed to be grateful to them.

[wandaswitchbitch]

[rickyriddle]

Agatha All Along Theory: The Road isn't real

(Disclaimer: I'll be using Teen's real name at some point so you better be up to date before reading)

Here's a theory I need to post before the last episodes air in case I'm right.

The actual Witches Road never existed. It was just a con Agatha created to trick witches and steal their magic. The reason why people think you can't survive the road is because everyone who tried to get there died (killed by Agatha). Alice even said the Road was just a con, because it was. Agatha's first reaction to Teen mentioning the Road is that it's not real, because she knows it's not. She even told him the Road would kill him- because the Road was always a con to kill witches and take their powers.

Agatha never intended to get her current coven there, she always planned for the song to fail and to provoke them so they'd attack her and she could get her magic back. She didn't want Teen to be there to spare him that fate.

That's why Agatha looked genuinely surprised when the Road does appear, and she doesn't seem to actually be familiar with it. She probably spread the rumour that she is the only one who survived in order to lure witches who are interested. The reason why she said she takes power from the undeserving is because she considered that witches who want to walk the road are too lazy to learn magic on their own, it's a way for her to justify killing them. She even told Teen that he wanted to take a "shortcut" with a bit of contempt in her voice when he mentioned looking for the Road.

Now as for this Witches Road... it's prob a hex Billy created without realizing it. The door only appeared after he started to be afraid of the Salem Seven, and it had a hexagon shape. Sounds familiar? Just like Wanda's hex. And I bet Agatha always had a doubt it was him, since she knew damn well the Road wasn't real since she made it up. She looked genuinely confused when it first appeared and definitely do not know anything about it and kept bullshitting her way to the others and acting as an expert.

Billy said "this is exactly how I pictured it" and Agatha replied "it suits you" because she knew he made it. It actually suited him. A lot of the stuff in the hex are based on him, lots of reference to his room as Billy Kaplan. And that's what Agatha meant by "you and your mother have the same tell". They both created an alternate reality unconsciously due to strong emotions. That's how she knew he was Wanda's son, the major clue. His magic works similarly to hers.

That would also explain Agatha's reaction to Sharon's death. "I didn't know you had it in you" was directed at Billy. Agatha wasn't expecting people to actually die since he created the road. So at that moment, she realized that child created a deadly hex, and didn't think he had it in him (not that he killed Sharon on purpose, but the road he made did).

That might explain Rio's reaction, usually the con of the road doesn't go that far, so she's feeling impatient because these witches should have been dead a while ago when Agatha lured them. That could also explain why Rio herself didn't seem familiar with the Road, since it never existed before.

That could also explain why Agatha argued with Jen regarding the lyrics of the ballad. If the road is her con, then she wrote the original lyric and might be unaware that some terms changed over time (like two becoming through).

So, the current road was created by Billy subconsciously, but the concept of the road was created by Agatha as long time ago as a con and ironically, it became real because of Billy. So, the title is true. It really was... Agatha all Along.

[cissa-calls]

The verse was not featured in the episode, but on the recorded version of Rock Ballad of the Witches Road, Rio sings:

"The road is wild and wicked,

Winding out of time.

Still we face our fortune,

Chasing the sublime.

What's lost is found,

What's fierce is bound,

We're broken and we're burned.

But take a breath,

And dance with death.

My love cannot be turned."

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“Winding out of time”

Could be interpreted as either that the road exists in its own pocket of time and reality, or that the witches walking the road are running out of time (as they are being chased by misfortune, Alice with a generational curse that is slowing killing her, Agatha who is being pursued by the Salem Seven, or death in general, as the road is dangerous).

“Still we face our fortune, chasing the sublime.”

Still the coven faces their fate (perhaps predicted by Lilia) in pursuit of their goals to achieve divine rewards of knowledge or abilities.

“What’s lost is found.” This is perhaps the lyric most open to interpretation, especially as the series goes on. It could apply to a number of things. The real name and identity of teen? Agatha’s and Rio’s love? Agatha’s son? Agatha’s powers? Even Jennifer’s powers or Alice’s relationship with her mother?

“What’s fierce is bound”

Agatha’s magic. Jennifer’s abilities. Alice’s confidence and memories of her mother. Lilia’s visions. The teens possible powers. Though most likely it is meant specially for Agatha, it could apply to all of them, disenfranchised and desperate to flourish behind their restraints with what makes them powerful. Spell casting. Potions. Magic…perhaps even the detested camaraderie and strength of covenhood.

“We’re broken and we’re burned”

The meaning is pretty obvious, each of them has literal and metaphorical wounds and scars. As witches, being targeted and prosecuted is something intrinsic to the craft (which Lilia has a moment when she views the glass mosaics along the hallway to remember and grieve that). But also on a personal level, each have been broken and burned by love and trust.

“But take a breath, and dance with death.”

There are two possibilities: They all must take a breath, steady their nerves, and risk themselves during these trials. To win, you have to skirt with danger and flaunt with living. In the first trial, Agatha tried to cheat, but to participate in the trials, you have to offer your life up freely.

The other, emphasized by the fact that Rio is the one singing it, refers to the theory that she is death, and is asking them (specifically Agatha) to entangle with her.

“My love cannot be turned”

In the original context of this song, which was sung by Lorna as a protection spell for Alice, this is her declaring how despite their estrangement, despite her death, Lorna will have an enduring love of her daughter that cannot be swayed.

Of course for Rio, this may be her proclaiming to Agatha that despite their past quarrels, pain, and time apart, her love for the other has not diminished. She is still here, and her love is uncompromising.

[shutupineedtothink]

Billy Theory - That boy and Agatha are the same

I know some people want Billy to have these hidden motivations and secretly he hates Agatha so that’s why he put the sigil on himself. So that he would show up with this false, aw shucks persona of Billy Kaplan and fool her into helping him walk the Road and bring his mother back at the end. Or get power, or his brother, or whatever.

But I want it to be the exact opposite. He did put the sigil on himself to hide his real identity from her, and from the other witches. But it isn’t because he hates them. He’s afraid of them. He actually is Agatha’s fan. And he idolizes and respects all of these women. And he’s afraid if they find out he’s Wanda Maximoff’s son, the ultimate witch gone bad, the personification of every negative, evil stereotype Lilia has been talking about around witches, they’ll reject him.

He’s afraid they never would have taken him on the Road to begin with, because somewhere along the last three years, and after the events of Multiverse of Madness, he realized oh my god, my mom was the evil one. (I’m assuming Wanda’s turn was publicized in the MCU, or maybe he sensed it magically.) And he (somehow) learns more and more about Agatha and realizes that she was never as evil as she pretends to be, or at least she never went on a killing rampage like Wanda did. But surely she must hate him, because she hates his mom. They must all hate him. That’s his motivation for the sigil. Fear, of himself, of what people will think of him, not anger. Starting to sound familiar?

Sure, I think it’s narratively interesting if he hates her and then he has to come to terms with who Agatha really is underneath it all. But it’s way more narratively interesting, for both of them, if his own journey, his own trauma, his own inner dialogue, very closely reflects hers. They’re mirrors.

What does Agatha, at her core, believe about herself? Her mother hated her because her mother believed she was evil. She internalized that and sees herself as evil, plays into that persona even as she tries to be the opposite of that. In her mind currently, she’s so innately evil she (directly or indirectly) caused the death of her own son.

It’s not quite an exact match for Billy, but the result is the same. He sees (or maybe even magically feels) how his mother turned bad, killed innocent people (listen I love Wanda, but she did). He thinks oh my god, I have the same magic. There’s no witch out there who will want to teach me. And probably, on some deep down level he thinks, maybe I’m evil too. Maybe just like my mom, there’s no other path for me.

Bottom line? That boy isn’t Agatha’s. That boy is another version of her own inner story. She and that boy are the same, on a deep fundamental level.

Stop here if you don’t want potential ep 6 spoilers! More specifics for how I think we move forward under the cut.

Where does that leave us after ep 5/going into ep 6? Here’s the breakdown.

Billy does what he does at the end of ep 5, basically becoming his worst fear, turning into the evil witch version of his mother.

But it’s not real (see my other post about the false trial). So Agatha, Jen, and Lilia, wake up from the false trial (thank you Rio), maybe they have to fight the Seven and defeat them together, and let’s say Alice is alive too, because I want her to be. Everyone’s still on the Road.

Billy is still trapped in the spell. They have to wake him up somehow. Jen’s already saying uncertainly, maybe we don’t want to wake him up, but Agatha immediately defends him. No, it wasn’t his fault, it was a trap, and she provoked him. That whole “trial” was a manifestation of her punishment by the Seven, it wasn’t really him. She’s adamant about this and the others (maybe reluctantly) go with it.

They wake him up — and in my head, they wake him up by destroying the sigil (breaking the illusion of his identity and the Seven’s spell in one go). Of course, it’s Agatha that has to do it, because she and Rio are the only ones who know. And really, Agatha’s known all along, right. I think she knew from the second he broke her out of the spell in ep 1. She just wanted to believe otherwise. So after a few failed attempts to shake him awake and probably a line from Rio along the lines of “You know you have to say it Agatha,” she does. “William Maximoff.” It’s sad, and soft, without any intention to hurt him. (A sigil is destroyed when it’s no longer needed.)

So the sigil is destroyed and our boy wakes up. There’s some initial remnants of anger on his face, but then once he sees them all staring at him warily, he starts to get scared. He remembers what he’s done to them, even if it wasn’t real. He scrambles away from them, please no, I didn’t mean to — I swear I want to be good.

It’s Agatha’s trauma, a version of herself, playing out right in front of her. Playing out in front of us, again. Only now she gets to do for him what her mother never did for her, and what the coven never did for her in the false trial either. She sees him. She defends him, his true self, the curious hopeful smart boy he’s been this whole time. (You don’t need to know someone’s name to know who they really are.) She goes to him and she says it wasn’t real. That wasn’t you. It was me, my punishment. Not yours.

But he’s not convinced yet. And now it hits him — But you know who I am. You said my name.

Agatha says, I think I always knew who you were.

Then why don’t you hate me?

She’s genuinely confused. Why would I hate you?

He looks at the rest of them and back to her. Because I’m… Wanda Maximoff’s son. She hurt you, she hurt so many people. And I have her magic. I was born… (evil? Bad? he can’t bring himself to say it.)

And this is Agatha’s big moment, and the big emotional pay off for us. She says, Billy (the first time we hear his casual name spoken) — Never let anyone else’s fear of you decide who you are. Not mine, not anyone else’s. Never let anyone else tell you you’re horrible, or worthless, or evil. You get to decide who you are, and only you. If you want to be good… you can be. Do you understand?

She’s talking to him, but on some level she’s talking to herself, her own inner child. Does she believe that for herself yet? No, but I digress.

And maybe wryly she adds, because Agatha can’t be serious for too long and I want this line, “Besides, as we’ve already established, I don’t punish children for the sins of the mother.”

Didn’t mean to turn that into a whole fic but there you go. Anyway, Billy gets the message. The coven sees him and accepts him. Maybe there’s hugs. I’d like there to be hugs. We move on to Agatha’s real trial.

Tl;dr? Agatha Harkness is walking out of this Road with Billy Maximoff as her apprentice, goddamnit.

[velvet4510]

You know what’s slightly suspicious?

We didn’t even see Billy’s birth in WandaVision.

There’s just a 70s TV style transition from Vision realizing there’s another baby and urging Wanda to push … to a few minutes later, as the new parents are holding the twins and the doctor is on his way out.

We saw Tommy’s relatively normal birth (aside from, you know, Wanda making the house go haywire) but the broadcast kept Billy’s birth “offscreen.”

Why might that be?? Was it just to avoid repetition - or did Wanda intentionally hide Billy’s birth from the broadcast?? Was Billy’s birth actually way messier? Was there a huge burst of his blue magic as he was born that Wanda didn’t want anyone to see or remember? Did Billy himself unknowingly conceal the details of his own birth?? The birth of a child prophesized by Chthon himself and displayed on the walls of Mt. Wundagore and who now gets his own crown the moment he unlocks his true potential??

I’m probably overthinking this. But it could be that this means something? Maybe??

[ourflagmeansheartbreak]

No but Billy going “flowers! Look at the painting, such a nice painting!” To Agatha like he’s distracting a toddler, while he awkwardly fumbles with the grimoire will never not be funny to me

[lucianalight]

So theory time: Agatha has lost her child.

There was a room looking like a child's bedroom in her house which she looked at with sadness.

There are also rumors about her considering children. When Lilia talked about eating children, Agatha played it as a joke. But when Jen mentioned "another child sacrifice" that affected her, made her upset. It makes me think while the former is untrue, there's a grain of truth about the latter. Maybe it wasn't a child sacrifice, but her kid was lost as a result of her actions and the rumors say it like she did it intentionally while it is not true.

There's also that scene in WandaVision where she was drinking and said no matter how you try you can't control kids. She sounded sad and regretful in that scene.

And I think this was what ultimately persuaded her to help Teen in the end. Not him having magic, but the hair in her pendant which probably belongs to her kid and Teen reminded her of them and what happened to them. Maybe they shared the same enthusiasm and insistence and Agatha thought if she didn't help him sth like that can happen to Teen too.

Or maybe she didn't actually want to take him with her in the first place and just wanted to keep an eye on him making sure he doesn't actually go with them. Because there's another detail, Agatha didn't want Teen as part of the coven, and sent him away during the singing. It makes me think being part of the coven that opened the door to the witch road poses a greater danger than just tagging along with them. After all magic has a price in mcu. Well at least sorcery does according to Mordo so we can assume witchcraft has it too.

Whether Agatha's kid is dead or alive we don't know yet. She was really obsessed with how Wanda brought back the dead and wanted to know how Wanda did it. But when it turned out Wanda can't actually bring back the dead she decided to take her power. A power that can create realities in which people who were dead or didn't exist can exist. Maybe whatever she needs is not more power but specifically Wanda's reality creating power. After all she can always get some power from anyone she irritates enough to blast her. But magic on autopilot, that's what she can't do.

[consulting-ghosts]

I have a crack theory but it could be true so bare with me. 

What if Agatha doesn't steal others powers, more like absorbs them when they attack her? 

I rewatched a few last episodes of Wandavision and ep. 8 still remains my favorite. As much as rewatching how Agatha coven turned against her, was even harder now after I know her more, it got me thinking. 

That's what she was doing with Wanda right? It was Wanda who took all the powers from her. I don't remember Agatha ever doing the same. She only taked them when Wanda sent them her way. 

That's why she needed other witches to attack her so she could take their powers. I mean she even said “Blast me you bitches.”

The more they attack, the more power she gets. 

I think killing this person is more of a side effect of this, not personally her intention per se (but I could be wrong about this beeing intentionl, but we don't have any sources that she ever killed anyone for the hell of it.)

Back in Salem, if you think about this Agatha didn't kill her coven, they did it themselves, when they intended to kill her. Which is ironic as hell. 😉 

I mean she looked scared before she realized that what they're doing doesn't work. I assume it was the first time someone attacked her like that, so she didn't know that would happen. 

If I'm correct, that makes Agatha even more interesting as a witch and in general.

[asterinthesiren]

THEORIES and THOUGHTS: AGATHA

This is the second part of my theories post, the first being about Billy! Again, this is going to be a three parter, because literally I have too many thoughts to contain in one post (I mean I can but that'll be entirely too long for y'all to read lmao)

Part 1 Billy | Part 2 Agatha | Part 3 Trial and Next Ep

Of course as always special mention to @justmonty because without her none of these theories would have been cooked at all! Hi queen ily

Alright HERE WE GO!

Next is our beloved problematic fave, middle-aged lesbian, Agatha Harkness. She is still shrouded in a lot of mystery, but the latest episode revealed a LOT about her.

So what we've learned is that Evanora Harkness is a bitch who never loved Agatha in the first place, the trial in the 1600s was way more layered than we thought, and that Nicky was at least 3 years old (remember the Ouija board instructions? ages 3 and up)(although that could also be a mention for the maiden, mother, crone thing, but it could be both! I digress)

Agatha cannot control her absorption magic, that is a fact. She begged Evanora to teach her how to control it, but she outright refused. And that's what she said in the trial too: "I cannot control it! If only you would teach me!" (Post here and amazing ass edit here). So we can conclude that this has been her struggle from the get-go. NOW, I POSIT:

WHAT IF the reason her mother hated her so much was because even in the womb she couldn't control her magic? What if instead of that power being her magic, it was a curse: to suck the power/life out of everyone who dares harm her? THEREFORE, knowing that Evanora was abusive from the start, what if Agatha's magic responded naturally to the abuse and started hurting whoever it was that tried to harm her--which in this case, is Evanora. Then, it was never a thirst for power; it was a curse.

Knowing Agatha, who internalizes so much trauma, what if the reason why she's so "evil" is because of her distorted thinking: "You think of me as a monster? Fine, I'll be one." Her love affair with Rio now fits the puzzle perfectly because Rio is the only one who can withstand that curse. This post sums it up perfectly: “Agatha is a soul who was meant to live but who everyone wanted dead - how could Death not fall in love with her?”

MORE THAN THAT, Death is so much like Agatha in this sense:

(thanks to @justmonty for sending me this!)

So knowing all this, that Agatha can't control her absorption magic...

What if that's how Nicky died?

Nicky, the young baby witch, still learning how to handle his magic, blasts Agatha with a small bit of his magic as she's trying to teach him...

And Agatha, fully knowing the consequences, but can't control herself otherwise (nor know how to give back the magic she absorbed)...

The rest is history.

AND THAT, my friends, is why Agatha was so hell-bent on finding the Darkhold, which from what we know of it so far, has resurrection spells. Beyond that, what if she wanted to try and break her curse, or learn how to control it, through the Darkhold?

Imagine: she had never once delved into dark magic ever, has already begged the most knowledgeable witch she knew to teach her how to control her magic, but not only does she get shunned by her, she gets shunned by her entire community and nearly gets executed from it. At this point, she accepts her fate: "If you think me evil, then let me be fucking evil."

Then she finally finds something to love and to live for--only for him to die at her hands through a curse that she has no control over.

AND THEN, she hears about the Darkhold. A sliver of hope against the bleakness of her existence--and still, it ended up turning her even more insane and cursed. Now, because of a witch who could have definitely helped her get her son back, all of her power and sense of self is gone.

Now here's a theory: what if Evanora got r*ped by a demon, and their offspring is Agatha?

I'm not saying Agatha is Mephisto's daughter, I'm just pointing out (with the help of @justmonty) that it would make a lot of sense why Evanora hated her so much. AND, going back to my first post about color theory, Agatha's magic colors would now make more sense: Evanora had blue magic, and let's say that whichever demon is her father had red magic.

What do red and blue make? PURPLE.

I rest my case.

[starchaser45]

I honestly whole heartedly believe that the "your life line in broken in two " line means that at the moment she read his palm meant that at that moment he's lifeline is broken in two and the moment the crash happened they became one because Billy woke up with no memories of either life and he lived Williams life for 3 years but with his powers and the name Tommy in his head cause as he said he always felt him he just couldn't find him so my theory is that he was always distend to be Billy Kaplan he's both William and Billy

[marvelsgirl616]

— the first card pulled in wandavision ep. 2 was a king. (Also vision being “illusion”)

[the-most-faithful]

The real reason why Billy wants revenge on Agatha:

He had to look at the suspicion mole on her back xD

[jaymari-lyn]

warning⚠️: spoilers for Agatha All Along epsiode 5 ahead, so continue at your own risk

Okay after episode 5 I kinda had this idea about the witches trials

So I'm going to be totally honest, I think there is something more going on than this being just a regular trial. It's felt very different than the others and I think that there's a lot of possible reasons for that, but for the sake of this theory, I'm just going to use what we've been shown and assume that this was an actual trial by the road and not an illusion or vision.

So just like WandaVision, the episodes have kinda gone through a couple decades, the first trial being the 60s (it feels the least in your face, but the clothing style and suburban aesthetic of the whole house give me 1960s vibes), the second being 70s, and the third being 80s.

I think it's really interesting that these are all settings of Episodes of WandaVision. Maybe it's because Agatha is there and she lived in the hex but it's sort of odd to me that the road is creating entire trials around these decades when none of the coven witches really have any ties to them. I'd also like to add that they feel distinctly different than the ones in WandaVision. Those felt like sitcoms pulled straight from that time, while these don't have that same feel. They feel like they're inspired by the actual time period not television from those eras.

However, while none of the coven witches have any ties to these decades, there is still someone on the road who does, and that would be none other than Billy Maximoff (Aka Teen).

The big reveal at the end of the episode left us with SO many questions about Teen/Billy, but the conformation that he is, in fact, Wanda's son also could explain a lot.

Billy Maximoff grew up through these decades (especially the 80s, which is also the epsiode that he gets revealed as Wanda's son). He was convieced in the 60s, born in the 70s, and grew up in the 80s (obviously he lives through the 90s and 2000s as well, but since we're only on our 3rd trial, we havent gotten there yet). Another interesting thing to note is the absence of any 1950s themed trial, which also happens to be the only WandaVision episode where he isn't there (I know he was like a fetus in episode 2, but it still had Wanda reveal she was pregnant by the end, while epsiode 1 had no hint or mention of him and Tommy).

And since he actually grew up in each of these decades, he doesn't associate them with sitcoms like Wanda does, since she grew up in the 90's/2000's, which would explain why the sitcom element isn't there, but the time period shift is. It also explains why each of them feel a little too modern to be the actual points in time (that might just be me, but its just feels like theres tiny modern twist in each one). It's because it's a mix between Billy Maximoff and Billy Kaplan's childhoods.

I'm not sure whether it's consciously or unconsciously, but I think Billy is influencing the road, and not just in the most recent epsiode like a lot of people think. It very well could be subconsciously, kind of like how Wanda was doing at first in WandaVision, or he could be totally aware of what he's doing, but it all depend on how much he knows about himself, his history, and his powers. It also could be the road just changing to conform to Billy, and his magic has no affect on it.

I just think that this is a really interesting detail that could tell us a lot about the trials in futures episodes. If you have nay thoughts on it please let me know!!

[cissa-calls]

Countdown to Agatha All Along: Day 808

Y/N: *takes a careful step*

Floorboards: “SQUEEEEAAAKKK”

Y/N, frantically whispering: “Agatha, what part of having your own “secret villainous lair” necessitates the presence of the fecking loudest floorboards in this universe?!”

Agatha, aggressively whispering: “Simple! For ambiance!” *takes another step and sets off another creaky floorboard*

Y/N: “Well, your genius and lack of maintenance is gonna wake up Wanda.“

Wanda: *steps out from the shadows* “It already has”

Agatha: “Ah shit.”

[idkbroletssee]

So when Billy starts to understand and jot down his magical potential and ends up writing Darkhold Lite then what. He is a nerd. He WILL do that. Give him a day and half on brujapedia.