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canāt reblog the comment so ig I was blocked but hereās a screenshot
I really thought this post was gonna make it through without anyone commenting any wack shit on it but here we are! Letās go!
About the forced-to-be-parabatai thing: they both made that decision as CHILDREN. Hot take, but, children are not mature enough to decide to bond their soul to someone. Just me? Okay. Aside from them both being literal children, you cannot tell me that there was no outside influence in the decision. Again, theyāre kids. Talking specifically about Alec, he had a big thing for making sure his parents were proud of him and he has difficulty doing things that go against him. If they werenāt supportive of the idea, he probably wouldnāt have gone through it, and even that is a form of pressure for him to do if. He literally had last minute regrets and didnāt want to do it, but was then convinced by Izzy. His reasoning was that he was in love with Jace, and while that obviously isnāt and wasnāt true, he still should have been able to make that choice for himself, whatever the reasoning.
About the other shit you said: I never said that Alec didnāt love Jace as a brother, he does. I also never said that Jace was less important than Alecās other siblings, I just said that he wasnāt more important. I literally say that losing Jace WOULD NOT BE HARDER than losing Izzy or Max. I didnāt say it would be easier. But Iām just saying that Jace isnāt the most important person in Alecās life. Now letās talk about Magnus. First of all, Jace spends basically the entire series choosing Clary over Alec and risking Alec and Izzyās lives, jobs, and runes for her. The fact that yāall think thatās cool and me saying that, if it came down to the wire, everything about Alecās story and relationships in the show implies that he would choose Magnus over Alec is a problem is incredibly wack. Alec was willing to stay in Edom FOREVER for Magnus, he would never see Jace again. And yet weāre supposed to believe that Alec would just act like he doesnāt care if Magnus dies as long as Jace is saved? Itās bad writing, bad characterization, and it treats Magnus like shit and like heās just a prop. Alec loves all his siblings equally but the love he has for Magnus is on a totally different level. Thatās what this post is saying, not that Jace is less important to him than Alecās other siblings.
Finally, letās talk about how Jace treats Alec. For most of the show, Jace treats Alec like shit. Are we all just ignoring the āmaybe our parents were right and your best isnāt good enoughā thing that Jace never apologized for? Because that was seriously below the belt. Totally uncalled for and absolutely targeting Alecās biggest insecurity. Jace is using the trust that Alec has in him and their bond and how close they are to hurt Alec. When Simon points out that if Jace keeps treating Alec like shit heās going to leave, Jace just pulls the āALEC WOULD DIE FOR MEā thing while totally refusing to acknowledge the actual point that Simon is making or doing anything to correct the behavior. Instead he just lashes out at Simon. Obviously Iām not saying like kill Jace or anything but I am saying that itās unhealthy for Alec to have this bond with someone who treats him that way. Anyways, fuck Jace Herondale lives. Free Alec.
actually i think itās less that Alec canāt live/fight without Jace and more that he thinks he canāt bc he was forced into this bond at such a young age. Aside from the actual physical detriments of losing the parabatai bond (and parabatai bonds, from what Iāve seen insinuated, CAN be broken), losing Jace would not be worse for Alec than losing Izzy or Max and literally EVERYTHING about his ENTIRE character arc implies that he would always choose Magnus over Jace. What Iām fuckin saying is that the entire interaction where Magnus says ālll use every bit of my magic to get Jace back even if it means my deathā and Alec is just like ālol thanksā is so desperately out of character I donāt even know how to process it also stop using Jace as a reason Alec canāt become immortal with Magnus also jalec is bad and also incest and even if it wasnāt incest it would still be bad
#WHY DID THEY TAG THIS ANTI ALEC STANS#IM A MAGNUS STAN WTF#fuck jace herondale lives#free alec#anti jace herondale#anti parabatai bond#ARE YOU DENSE#we discoursin today lads#long post#replies
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Salty fandom questions
Thanks to @darknesshadows @darknessp @malikaesthetics for sending in questions. Iām answering all of them together and putting my answers behind a cut because this turned into a bit of an essay. Because SOMEONE ( *cough* @dnteverdoubtme *cough*) said I should just answer them all (seriously, if I wake up tomorrow with no followers left I will blame this entirely on you). Also, well, salt. Quite a bit of salt.
Anyone following me for longer than 4 weeks shouldnāt be surprised by any of these answers (even though Iāve probably never spelled things out so explicitly), however for those of you who are new around hereā¦ beware some highly unpopular, possibly PROBLEMATICā¢ opinions. Consider this your only warning and proceed at your own risk (or, you now, just donāt ;- ).
(Iāve done my best to ensure that this doesnāt end up anywhere near any tags, if it does anyway itās not intentional)
All answers apply to Sh@dowhunters.
Disclaimer: when I talk about āThe XY fandomā, this is obviously a generalisation. I know it doesnāt apply to everyone. Some of my mutuals are part of the xy fandom, and all of them are lovely people. /end disclaimer
What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get? While I personally donāt ship any of the canon ships, I do get why people ship them. If weāre talking all the ships in this fandom that anyone could possibly ship, Iād have to say ClaIec. Or Alec/any girls really. Make no mistake, Iām not saying this due to moral or ethical concerns ā personally I donāt give a flying fuck what people ship, even if its VaIentine x a Vetis demon, whatever floats your boat ā but I just really, fundamentally do not get it. I mean that boy is as gay as they come, take that away and youāve got an entirely different character. Beats me really.
Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP? All the canon ships, current and future ones.
Have you ever unfollowed someone over a fandom opinion? More than once. I usually live by ādonāt like donāt readā, and I scroll past / blacklist a lot. But thereās a handful of things where my stance is 100% A and if yours is B or C, thatās not something I can ignore. In this fandom, itās mostly when people post / reblog certain nasty anti opinions/posts.
Do you have a NoTP in your fandom? Are they a popular OTP? *looks at the camera like Iām on The Office* (for those of you reading this who seriously DONāT know, just continue to the next answer)
Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you? (this one was sent in by ALL but one person, I would like to point out. So either you truly donāt know or youāre just here for the wank.*g*) Okay you might want to sit down and grab a bite cause this might take a while. You see (and thatās the part that usually surprises people) I actually started out as a pretty hardcore MaIec shipper in this fandom. Yep, me. Shocking, I know. I sort of migrated from the Teen Wolf fandom and everyone I followed back then was gushing about MaIec, I saw the first gifs on Tumblr (the show was already more than halfway through S1 when I started watching) and I thought hey, theyāre cute, and actually canon, whee! So I pretty much fast-forward binged to 1x12 - through a pair of heavily MaIec-tinted glasses. My ideal version of the show back then, Iām ashamed to admit, probably would have been 90% MaIec, 9% Izzy and a little bit of Lydia on top (which was pretty much what a large majority of my dash was on about), I was totally ready to ditch everyone else for a short while. But thankfully, it wasnāt long before my brain remembered that I was capable of independent thinking, and I did a re-watch, and noticed that not everything was as picture perfect as it was made out to be, and I also actually noticed (and started falling for) the OTHER characters and possible pairings, most prominently Jace and JaIec (and honestly it will never cease to baffle me how anyone with a functioning pair of eyes will be able to look at S1 and NOT see that potential. Well, except for the MaIec-tinted glasses, probably). For a very short while, still blissfully oblivious to the nastier parts of this fandom, I happily multi-shipped (which was a first for me, I really am a ONE OTP kind of girl) both JaIec and MaIec pretty much equally, MaIec as far as canon was concerned (despite its many flaws - which where blatantly obvious once I cared to LOOK - but chose to ignore for the sake of happy shipping) and JaIec as a āGod look at all that potential, in a different reality where xy had gone differently they totally would have been endgameā sort of way. And then that E!Online Shipping poll happened (the 2016 one where MaIec lost to CIexa) and thatās when got a first inkling of the truly ugly, rabid side of this fandom (back then I shipped both MaIec and CIexa so thatās probably what gave me a bit of a neutral observerās perspective on these poll shenanigans, cause personally I didnāt care which of the two ships won since I loved them both). Around that time I had also started talking to a couple of JaIec shippers - who were lovely (looking at you fam) and refreshingly NORMAL compared to what Iād started to see in that other corner. Anyhow, from then on I was slowly distancing myself from the MaIec fandom as a whole. I still liked the ship in the sense that I enjoyed watching it in canon, even though, in terms of actual OTP, I quickly gravitated more and more towards JaIec (as I said I am a ONE OTP kind of girl so it was bound to happen). Long story short, during the long hiatus between s1 and 2a, (MaIec) fandom got exponentially nastier until, at some point ā Iām still not sure when exactly - it just TIPPED (cause it definitely wasnāt like that back when S1 was airing, not to that extent) ā and it suddenly started being āokayā to just outright attack and hate on everyone who dared ship either one of the pairing with someone else. With a level of vitriol and nastiness I have seldom seen (and Iāve actively been in fandoms since BtVS first aired, which was in the late ā90s). Coupled with such a level of impertinent entitlement where everything has to be about or relate to MaIec, else thereās outrage across the entire fandom. And that, my friends, eventually managed to put me off the pairing for good. To the point where, if Iām entirely, brutally honest, Iād actually prefer to not see any Alec scenes at all to having to watch MaIec scenes, because this godawful fandom will find a way to ruin it one way or the other. If only by constantly whining about how it still wasnāt enough or āhow dare that other character breathe while my OTP was about to suck face this is an OUTRAGE!!!ā
Has fandom ever made you enjoy a pairing you previously hated? I canāt think of one, no. I might end up hating something I started out liking (see above), but I donāt think it ever happened the other way around. What sometimes does happen is that maybe there's something I don't actually care about all that much and then fandom will start hating on it and in the end I'll like the thing out of pure spite. But if I actually hate something, that'll stay that way.
Is there anything you used to like but canāt stand now? See #5.
Have you received anon hate? What about? Nope, because I donāt have anon on.
Most disliked character(s)? Why? I donāt actually actively dislike any of the current main characters. I did Simon in S1 but Iāve learned to tolerate his existence (thatās as far as Iām willing to go here). If we expand this a bit to ācharacters Iām least interested inā Iād have to go with Luke and Simon. Iām just not interested in either of their personal arcs unless they are somehow relevant to my favesā. Also Iām not to keen on Maia or any of the other new characters theyāre adding (unless theyāre somehow relevant to my faves) for the sole reason that they will take up screen time Iād rather spend on characters Iām actually interested in. I did dislike Jocelyn, but, yeah.
Most disliked arc? Why? My knee-jerk reaction would be to say MaIec (bitter? Me? Naah!) but thatās only part of the truth. Actually itās more āall the romantic arcs for the sake of romance while not contributing anything else to the greater plot or to individual character developmentā. Cause MaIec as a general development was an important part of Alecās character arc in S1, and that whole āthe girl who youāre falling in love with is actually your sisterā an important factor for Jaceās, so I can appreciate them for that. But beyond that, Iām just not interested in any of the romance plots. At best, they bore me to tears (Iām not actually joking when I say that I signed up for a show where pretty people wearing leather jackets and fingerless leather gloves kill demons and are awesome together, not āthe warIock and his shadowhunter and their epic romanceā. Iām more of a āThe Walking Deadā / āSupernaturalā girl than āFriendsā or āGilmore Girlsā, you know?). At worst, they make characters I actually like do increasingly stupid things to the point where Iām left wondering if theyāre actually the same character I originally fell for.
Is there an unpopular character you like that the fandom doesnāt? Why? VaIentine & Sebastian. I usually tend to like villains, and while VaIentine really often leans towards āridiculous comic book villainā, I just love AIan Van Sprang and what he does with the little that the show gives him. And Sebastian (judging from what we know from the books) is just so deliciously fucked-up badwrongevilPROBLEMATICā¢ that heās inspired the keepers of this fandomās moral purity to write up entire manifests why Thou Shalt Not Like Him Under Any Circumstances Cause Heās Bad Wrong And Evilā¢ back before it was even certain that he would be in 2B in the first place. So obviously Iām going to stan the shit out of him. Also, WiIl Tudorās cute and British and Iām really looking forward to him and Dom having scenes together. :-)
Is there an unpopular arc that you like that the fandom doesnāt? Why? As for what has already happened, I didnāt actually mind Izzyās Yin Fen plot. I wouldnāt say it was my favourite, but I certainly didnāt hate it as much as the rest of the fandom. I donāt have a particularly sophisticated reason for it though. As for whatās most likely / possibly to come, I hope the show will follow the book plot for Sebastian as closely as possible. (I donāt want to say too much for people who donāt know anything about it and donāt want to be spoiled.) Why? Because I like darkbadwrongnasty shit. Give me ādarkbadrwongnasty shit where awful things and horrible people happen to good peopleā over romance any time. (Also, it would most likely piss large parts of this fandom off, that would be an added bonus.)
Unpopular opinion about XXX character? Heās not as flawless as you all like to believe. Thatās okay though, flaws are what make characters interesting.
Unpopular opinion about your fandom? Itās the worst fandom ever? IDK is than an unpopular opinion? Probably, since around 80% ARE the worst people, and they would disagree with me so...
Unpopular opinion about the show? The writing really is rather subpar compared to some of the other shows I watch.
If you could change anything in the show, what would you change? Age it up (have the characters be some of the actorās actual ages, i.e. around their late twenties), move it to a network like HBO or Starz, and make it push the limits of an R-Rating. Also, put the main focus on the Sh@dowhunters, Sh@dowhunters politics, just all things Sh@dowhunters. Centered around the Lightwoods (including Jace). (And did you notice how none of what I would change would actually include āmake JaIec canonā? Cause contrary to what large parts of this fandom seem to think, this is not all I / we think about. Wow what a shocker.)
Instead of XYZ happening, I would have made ABC happenā¦ Well take a look at my shipping and plot preferences and then you can probably guess my answer.
Does not shipping something āpopularā mean youāre in denial and/or biased? I donāt know, does it? If you ask the majority of this fandom, it really means Iām all sorts of āist and just generally a horrible person. Or something. Do I get bonus points when I act like I care?
What is the one thing you hate most about your fandom? Pretending to do everything for a higher, nobler purpose (shipping for representation and the likes), refusing to accept that not everyone else will or has to adhere to your own standards of whatās right or wrong or PROBLEMATIC(TM), and taking everything that happens on the show too damn seriously. Refusing to grasp that this is primarily a fantasy tv show with a main purpose to entertain its audience, and to earn the network money, not to make the world a better place.
What is the purest ship in the fandom? CIizzy and CIimon, probably. But honestly, nothing in this fandom is even remotely pure.
What are your thoughts on crack ships? Whatever makes you happy, I donāt judge.
Popular character you hate? Nope.
Unpopular character you love? see #11
Would you recommend XXX to a friend? Why or why not? As a piece of trashy popcorn entertainment to pass the time, yes. To someone who actually asks for a rec for quality television, no. Cause it just isnāt quality television. (And yes I know itās a fantasy show geared towards teenagers, but so was BtVS, and that one still managed consistent writing and character development, over 7 seasons. But anyways.)
How would you end XXX/Would you change the ending of XXX? With the Lightwoods / Alec running the NY institute. The very last scene would end like the very first one began: Jace, Alec and Izzy together, just the three of them.
Most shippable character? For me personally? Jace. Generally (though I personally donāt actively ship them with anyone except low-key with each other), I think Izzy and Clary are pretty shippable as well. Simon too.
Least shippable character? Luke? But just because he doesnāt really interest me so I personally wouldnāt know who to ship him with. Except VaIentine (past times, and probably present time also), but Iām sure thatās all sorts of badwrongproblematic. Ah well.
#Luna replying to stuff#*#*text#me rambling away#well I asked for it didn't I#I only have myself to blame#*g*#meme
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Alecās behaviour in How Are Thou Fallen and how to portray insecurity in a healthy manner
Since I wonāt be able to make any videos this week due to unforeseen circumstances, I thought Iād offer my thoughts on Alecās behaviour in the promo for Episode 7Ā āHow Are Thou Fallenā and how important it will be to the series.
I think itās obvious by this point that I donāt like the books that Shadowhunters is based on. If you want to see why loads of posts will show up if you typeĀ āanti tmiā orĀ āanti CCā into the search tags on my blog. The main reason is because of Alecās behaviour in City of Fallen Angels onwards in relation to Magnusā past relationships. He makes extremely inappropriate comments towards Magnus, insinuating that Magnus would sleep with anyone because heās bisexual. Of course, as Iāve said in the past, I wouldnāt have an issue with this if there had been a character arch or development of understanding where Alec would apologise and realise what he had done wrong. But there wasnāt any of that.
Now, when book stans defend Alecās behaviour, one of the first things they say isĀ āAlec was insecureā.
This always struck me as interesting. As an extremely insecure person myself, I could never understand how people could justify statements such as:Ā
āOr, there are plenty of girls here, since apparently your taste goes both ways. Is there anything you arenāt into?ā ~City of Fallen Angels Page 305
as someone being insecure. It definitely came from a place of Alecās innocence in relationships and the young age he was in the books whenever he began his relationship with Magnus. Iām not going to get into the boatload of problems with Alecās behaviour here, if you want to see my thoughts hereās my video on it:Ā https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md4n-jhNBpc
Iām focusing on the point of insecurity in this post. Alecās comments about Magnusā sexuality-if were made to portray Alecās insecurity in the relationship-failed their purpose. There are so much better ways to portray a characterās insecurity than having them make such damaging comments in a book series that prides itself on its LGBT characters. And this is where the show comes in.
Iāve only seen the promo for How Are Thou Fallen (we all have!) and I already know that theyāre going to portray Alecās insecurity so much better than the book could ever dreamed of.Ā
In The Iron Sisters, Alec made it clear that he didnāt care about Magnusā past relationships. It did, undoubtedly, alarm him a little during their date that there had been so many people in Magnusā past in comparison to his own. Which is natural. Even Magnus himself was alarmed by how little experience Alec himself had. But there was no disgust; no grimaces; no comments made like the one quoted above; they were both simply alarmed. And thatās normal. As Magnus said, theyāre both from completely different worlds. And thatās fine.
However, we see in the promo for episode seven that Alec is still insecure. I know there are jokes flying around about him being called innocent one episode and then asking about sex the next but you see thatās exactly the point. Insecurity makes you so self aware, and Alec will not be able to help comparing himself to all the people Magnus will have been with before him. Heāll be measuring himself up, and worrying that he wonāt cut the mustard. Hence why he goes to Isabelle, his sister, for advice.Ā
Sex is one of the most common things an inexperienced person will think of being inadequate at in a relationship. One of the most common questions is the one Alec asks Isabelle. The question of when? How do I know? Should I wait? Do I not wait? If I wait too long will they grow bored of me? Because from my own experience I know what itās like to worry that maybe if I hold off too long, my other half will grow bored of me. Itās a normal thought process.
Not to say that Alec thinks Magnus is a sex hound and thinks this is the only way heāll be able to hang onto him. Itās simply a concern that arises quite often with someone who hasnāt had any experience when theyāre dating someone who has quite a bit. That their lack of knowledge on what to do and how to proceed will wreck things, or become difficult for their partner to deal with.Ā
So Alec is trying to educate himself by talking to Isabelle. Heās going to his sister, who he knows has quite a bit of experience herself, for advice on what heās supposed to do. And Isabelle will probably tell him that heāll know when the time is right (I donāt expect her just to sayĀ ājump his bones and itāll work out in the endā) but for someone whoās worried and insecure, it can be misconstrued asĀ āit might not be right for me but it could be right for themā. And Alec is constantly trying to put other people before himself anyway heād be more concerned about Magnus being happy and satisfied in their relationship as opposed to his own worry over the topic of sex itself.
And as we can see from the stills for episode seven, Magnus is most likely going to stop Alec in his tracks. Heāll reassure him that this doesnāt need rushed and that heās perfectly happy waiting until theyāre both ready for it. Besides, just because Magnus is not a virgin himself it doesnāt mean heāll be ready to jump into bed with Alec immediately either. Theyāll only have been on one or two dates by that point.
Thatās where I think episode seven is going with this plot. And itās really, really good. Itās a much more healthy way of portraying Alecās insecurity over Magnusā past relationships and his worry that he wonāt be as good as them. Alec is trying to build Magnus up, and make him happy in their partnership, rather than tear Magnus down like he did in the books.Ā
Words cannot describe how happy this makes me.
I donāt know if any of this makes any sense but I wanted to get my thoughts down somewhere while I had them ^_^
#shadowhunters#shadowhunters season 2#malec#magnus bane#alec lightwood#matthew daddario#harry schum jr#how are thou fallen#episode seven#anti cc#anti tmi#insecurity#portrayal
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