#VSFS After Party

[australianbeyonce]

adriana, vsfs after party

[9w1ft]

I always interpreted evermore as a song about depression, I never linked it to Kaylor, can you tell me your view on this song?

dang i had a conversation about this with someone several months ago but i can’t find it. ill give you the abridged version. firstly, i think it can be about both! because the situation got depressing there for a hot minute!!

taylor said in an interview with zane lowe for apple music that she had written the song when the election was upon us and she didn't know what was going to happen. evermore the album was released in december 2020, which suggests that she wrote it pretty close to the release date, but also had time to reflect on what she knew to be true before releasing it— that trump wouldn’t win reelection. there’s a billboard article where she talks about the moment she learned biden won and i think it meshes really well with how evermore concludes thematically and emotionally.

when we think about the impact that trump being elected had on kaylor back in 2016–throwing a birthday party for lorde only days before the 2016 general election and wearing the vsfs angel wing ring in public for the first time, and that picture of them both kissing lorde on the cheek, going from that to at once enacting a love blackout and never being seen regularly in public again (the next time being rep tour 2018)— and on top of that, them going out of their way to separate themselves in the media via the creation of a “feud” during 2017 (swish swish, sushigate, etcetera) which pitted karlie with katy perry and kanye and cast her as someone for swifties to hate, guilty by association, we can imagine the weight and sadness of this chapter in their story. this is the start of the pain. this choice (i consider it a choice), to take the battle underground, sunk kaylor little by little into the world of the improbable for any casual observer. and it also put somewhat of a hex on karlie indefinitely, and for as brave of a soldier as she is, its an awful long while to be put in jail for something you didn’t do.

with these details as the background, i consider evermore to be a song chiefly about 2019 onward, though you might also position some of the date markers in the song within a sort of 2016/2017 focused timeframe. personally though i tend to think that 2019 events work just as well and operate under similar themes. for example, “hey november i’ve been down since july” could be in reference to the period of time where it became slowly more clear that the 2016 election results might not be a non-starter. or, it could reference the day after the masters sale (which was end of june 2019) and the theorized “failed coming out” that many expected her to do at the new york city pride parade that week. this followed by november, the conclusion of editing Miss Americana which would be released the following month (“motion capture put me in a bad light”) or alternatively november 2020, the point at which she is writing this song. there’s also an lsk theory that taylor and karlie were broken up from july to november 2019 but im not so versed in that so i’ll just keep it to a mention.

in any case, “hey december” can circle back to miss americana being released, not as a coming out documentary but as a “political coming out” documentary. hence the “can’t remember what i used to fight for.”

or it could be both, in a way. for example rewinding the tape but all it does is pause on the very moment all was lost could be both the rewinding of the miss americana documentary released in 2019, and/or perhaps conceptually the idea of the 2016 election night footage being rewound by everyone in the disbelief that occured the night that “all was lost”

because all was lost that night, in a way, no?

i tend to see justin vernon’s part as being a depiction of karlie after kaylor was exiled to a new level post the masters sale. i don’t mean this to say they were broken up. it’s just that they had to do a factory reset on a lot of the progress that had been made up until that point, and they would not be seen together (in order to accomplish some vigilante shit, is what i think anyway). back to justin vernon’s lines. it just reminded me deeply of all the hate karlie got that summer. and indeed, all the hate she had accrued until then. whether summer or winter, this feuding arc had put karlie in a position that i would argue was growing unbearable and incessant. “out on waves im being tossed, is there a line that i could just go cross?” referring to the latest wave of said hate. in this scenario, “can’t not think of all the cost and the things that would be lost oh can’t we just get a pause to be certain we’ll be tall again?” seems like karlie calling out to taylor, amidst the haze and confusion of the masters sale, think about everything that we would be giving up if you don’t come out right now. (think of me.). and then upon that line leading nowhere saying hey let’s pause before we hurt each other, to be certain we will make it through. here “tall again” reminds me of paper rings “standing here so tall”

so what of the ending? well, as a time marker i would once again refer to when the song was released, post-2020 election, where taylor saw that trump had lost and they would have a path forward. …covid-19 was yet to happen of course, and with that i think there were life priority shifts, but i just see evermore as a song that covers taylor and karlie seeing a light at the end of the tunnel that had been their love lockdown to love blackout to exile story. its a song that encompasses so much hope and i just really really really love it as a kaylor song because of the specificity with which you can tie it to their story, specifically a more contemporary chapter, the likes of which we hadn’t had too many songs depicting up until that point (basically just peace/hoax/the lakes).

so yeah that’s why it’s a kaylor song to me 🫶

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[septembersghost]

I am the anon who said tiwycf could be about harry. I am not sure about it because we'll never know. But some lyrics made me go...👀

"We go fast with the game we play Who knows why it's gotta be this way We say nothin' more than we need I say, "Your place", when we leave"

instantly reminded me of their 'secret rendezvous'. Like at Amas and Vsfs they didn't interact on camera but they were definitely hooking up during that time.(I think harry stayed back without boys after amas and niall said he went to a small party and at vsfs they left together) So they had to make their conversation short as possible and convey the message. 'The game' reminded me of 'you love the game's and 'it's all fun and games'. The 'lightning strikes' reminded me of lightning in style mv .

It definitely didn't strike me a ch song because there weren't much of a games. They met in March and everything from their first date to the end was documented and they were together ALL THE TIME. They never faced a situation where they had to go ''your place'' and nothing else. Who knows why its gotta be this way has a lowkey frustration.

There was no reason for CH to not take it as the song slapped and it was his first hit in a while.I don't think cH enquired who the muse is and Taylor could have easily said it as 'fiction' or that its about him.

anon this is me confessing to you that i've only heard tiwycf like three times in my life, and could sing you the melody but absolutely none of the lyrics, so i appreciate you typing some of them out as i'd never quite paid attention to them! this is an interesting theory, it definitely hadn't occurred to me before, but i see why you and others would make those connections and why it might speak in a lot of ways to the situationship circumstances/emotions.

[sophietv]

Can you point me

To some KAYLOR theories about the pregnancies and stuff. That’s the stuff that really holds me back from LSK

Hi!

Ok, this is a question that I tend to avoid answering because I understand how this question can make people unconfortable.

I would not answer this on Twitter since I feel it is much more "public" and can more easily end up in the "wrong hands" than on Tumblr.

I think I might have some things that might help you understand the thought process of LSKs, or at the very least mine.

I'm gonna talk about theories around Levi here, if this makes you unconfortable, just scroll (I've hidden the rest for a reason).

And before you think that sending me hate anon would be "funny" or make me run away... I am a very loud Kaylor on Twitter... it's really not my first rodeo ;-), do with that what you will.

Here's my thought process about all of this:

There's A LOT of closeted artists for A LOT of different reasons.

Sadly, most of those reasons turn around how homophobic the entertainment industry is and how it's difficult for an artist/actor etc. to stay mainstream while being out.

So what's the solution for them if they want to have a family but also want/have to stay closeted?

I don't think it's fair or even possible to expect everyone of them to not have a family if they want to stay in the closet. In fact it's inhumane and not possible.

Sadly this means that some of them will have to do some things similar to this, and raise a family in secret.

Words can't describe how much I hate the entertainment industry for all that they make those artists endure...

2. That What I Will Say Episode

They will hate that I use this as an exemple since they are loudly anti-LSK but this is too good of an exemple to not use.

In one episode of What I Will Say they invite a person who dated a closeted singer (not Taylor) and this person explains how bearding works in hollywood.

They say something of the sort : About 70% of the people in the entertainement industry are gay so if they would all come out, it would be impossible to fire them all and still have artists...

Wich kind of help understand my first point better.

They also explain how the industry can "force" someone to have a Lavender Marriage or else they won't have contracts anywhere.

And they say that, although VERY RARE, it can even go as far as forcing a Lavender Baby.

NOW. I REALLY DON'T THINK that this is what is happening here. But this goes to show how inhumanely stars are treated in the industry.

Here's the link to the podcast, I highly suggest to go take a listen (X)

3. I really don't believe Joshlie is real.

There's so much that points to Josh being gay and in a relationship with Mickey.

This also explains a lot about Karlie and Josh's timeline.

I mean everybody agrees that at least until 2016 Karlie and Taylor were together.

Since Lover, most agrees that they were still together in 2019 and broke up.

This all implies that Karlie would have cheated on Josh with Taylor from 2014 to 2016 and most likely 2019. (Karlie and Josh are supposed to be together since 2012)

And Josh would have help Karlie???... (looking at you Burma post)

And then what? Karlie would have chosen Josh who she had cheated on all those years to have a family?

This also means, that Karlie did not date Toni before Taylor.

But Toni was with Karlie up till the 2013 VSFS where she was her date to the after party...

Do you see how all of this does not make sense?

Also. Taylor confirms the relationship between Mickey and Josh in I Bet You Think About Me MV:

To you right Josh lookalike, left Mickey's lookalike

Picture as proof:

Josh, Mickey and Karlie

Taylor even "spills" her champagne while doing a close shot at Mickey's lookalike

There's also this GIF at the end of this post where you see Josh and Mickey being REALLY close: (X)

And if you need more proofs, this post is VERY telling: (X)

Also, the weddings in 2018 and 2019 are not real.

I really do believe that they are not really married for many reasons, but to name a few:

no proofs of a marriage certificate

Compagnies still send cards to Karlie with "miss" instead of "mrs".

Taylor did hint at a fake wedding in The Man MV, and Don't Take The Money in 2018.

Karlie's dad liked those posts on Instagram in 2019, do with those what you will:

Disclaimer: I don't think Josh is the devil reincarnate. I don't like that he's a Kushner and that his family had anything to do with Taylor's Master Heist or that he sought Karlie for bearding when she was 19 and him 27 (although this also protected Karlie in an industry that can be really "not safe" for girls, especially single ones).

But you won't see me throw shade his way and call him Jerk, I really don't fell like I know enough about the situation, their dynamic, their relation etc. to do that.

Also, in the last couple of years, they really do seem to get along and Karlie does seem confortable when she does stunts with him. I do appreciate this.

4.

Taylor hints at a baby in Peace:

"Give you my wild, give you a child"

In a song where she talks about being insecure because she can't offer a normal life to the person who decides to share it with her.

"People think love's for show, but I would die for you in secret. The devil's in the details, but you've got a friend in me"

It's also in The Lakes on Folklore that she says that her relationship was able to flourish outside of the puclic eye: "A red rose grew up, out of ice frozen ground, with no one around to tweet it".

Also in Anti-Hero: "I have this dream my daughter in law kills me for the money"

How would she have a daughter in law if she doesn't have a son?

5. Taylor did leave a lot of "easter eggs" around the time Karlie was trying to get pregnant, was pregnant and after she gave birth.

Wich sealed the deal for me.

Here's a link to a great post that lists some of them: X

Other interesting "easter eggs" I've found:

The tied me to you bracelet is the loudest thing they ever did in my opinion (before this weekend's baby shower that is):

Karlie's post with a bracelet with Levi's name on it, Gigi's post with a baby with a bracelet that look alike, and Taylor's Folklore Merch that is the exact same...

In April 2021 Taylor releases for the first time a mother's day collection (Levi was born in March 2021) : (X)

Look at how many items are golden.

She did the same thing in 2022:

On April 13th (clearly she was trying to tell us something)

Also notice how The Best Day socks have a daisy on them?

And how they are like the ones she wore this week? (right before Karlie's shower).

Midnights Mayhem with me:

Notice how she holds the phone upside down for Anti Hero (Track 3) and Vigilante Sh!t (Track 8)?

3/8 = Karlie's birthday.

Now the phone on the other ear on You're On Your Own Kid (Track 5) and Bejeweled (Track 9)

In 2021, the year Levi was born (in March), Mother's Day was on May 9th.

In Dear Reader, the opening is really family-like. You hear someone cook, someone play piano from the other room etc.

But, if you pay attention. You also hear a child say : Mom!

3 times in the song: 1:30, 2:41. 3:01

In Sweet Nothing, this song really sounds like a lullaby.

It lasts 3:08 minutes (Karlie's birthday)

And was co-written with William Bowery.

Here's a thread I made on Twitter explaining why I'm pretty sure Karlie is William Bowery: (X)

There's also her Mother's Day speech at the Eras Tour that was pretty telling: (X)

Or Taylor being really suspicious in her SN TV announcement last week saying that it will return to it's mother.

And Taylor Nation commenting this:

A few days after Midnight's release:

Karlie does a post with a baby seat, the same week Taylor posts a video with a baby seat as well.

Also there's something really cute about the "Thinks her cat is her son"

Since it's Benjamin.

Karlie was named after Carly Simon, Taylor was named after James Taylor.

They were both married and had a son named Ben...

How to forget the Our Song easter egg:

Karlie posts this earlier in the day

And that very night, Taylor plays Our Song: "I was riding shot gun with my hair undone on the front seat of his car. He's got one hand on the steering wheel. The other on my heart"

Or the posts Karlie did on Taylor's birthday. With a story with 13 slides of her spending the day cooking with Levi.

But this picture in particular is just -

Every cake has a story by Milk Bar...

Karlie bough a Milk Bar cake for Taylor's birthday, and Taylor raved about it in interviews. She said it was the best birthday cake she ever had...

There's soooooo much more, but I hope you see my point a bit better.

6. Then you have timings that are odly convenient to deflect attention from Karlie and the baby.

Like Taylor releasing It's Time To Go and Right Where You Left Me in January 2021 wich made most people think that either there was really a falling out/betrayal (Swifties) or a break up (Gaylors).

Conveniently, Karlie gave birth two monts after.

Also, the timing of announcing the birth right when Taylor was on stage at the 2021 Grammy's.

Making it impossible to be her baby right?

And then, 2 days after the Met Gala this year where we learned about Karlie's pregnancy, news of Taylor's new PR relationship with Matty Healy drops and everyone talks about this.

Especially Gaylors.

7. The baby shower this week was sooooo loud.

Like the loudest thing they have ever done.

Taylor flagging daisies twice during the week:

And a bag named Elizabeth and James:

After singing Daylight with a giant smile similar to the Riptide smile, the weekend before.

Then, Karlie does the baby shower that is daisy themed, with 13 daisies on the cake...

8. All this, plus all the hints they both are giving that they are still in contact to this very day.

Here's a list of some "koincidences" since 2019 that I did on Twitter: (X)

And here's a list of all the Midnights things Karlie's hinted to in advance just in the last year: (X)

9. Karlie's been hinting at being in (at the very least) a very serious relationship.

She wears this ring on her right ring finger since long ago (symbol of an LGBTQ+ marriage).

But since around August 2022, she's even more loud, and wears that ring on almost everey posts she makes.

Here's a post about this: (X)

The ring is a Cartier Love Ring. (Can't add anymore pictures in the post sorry...)

The very definition of Love Lock Down: (X)

"Lock in your love forever"

Whoa this is a long post! Sorry for the novel...

There's so much more to say, but I think I made my thoughts clear enough... at least, I hope!

So yes, I really do think that those two babies might be Karlie's and Taylor's.

As far as Josh's implication, no idea, he might be the donor, he might not. But that is not what is important here.

Disclaimer: I don't buy the theory of the child actor or the robot or anything lol.

Disclaimer 2: although I don't think the wedding is real. This does not mean that I think Karlie did not convert to Judaism. If you look at everything she said about this, this was clearly something important to her and independent of her wedding.

I think they both have one beautiful son and another baby on the way and they very unfortunatly have to hide this beautiful reality from the world.

At least for now.

I hope this helped you understand it all a bit better!

If you have any other questions concerning LSK let me know!

BTW! Thanks guys for sending me anon, I'm very new to all the Tumblr thing and it warms my heart that you guys take the time to send me your questions!

[queenhosk]

Elsa Hosk attends the 2018 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show After Party. November 8, 2018.

[babybels-hadid]

Bella Hadid, Mohamed Hadid and Shiva Safai at the Victoria’s Secret 2017 after party.

[lovealdridge]

VSFS 2017 after party

[thevsangelz]

Daniela Braga

[victoriasmodels]

Gigi and Bella Hadid, Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show 2016, After Party

[joskriverdaily]

Josephine Skriver, Justin Clough, Daniele Brunelletti & Alexander Deleon at the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show 2016 after party.

[australianbeyonce]

ana bb drunk at the 2003 vsfs after party

[9w1ft]

February 19th was 13 days from March 4th. Ironically, we know KK & TS were at Big Sur 13 days after that date—coming back home March 5th.

Party 3/3. Trip of her life 3/4. On the Way Home 3/5. LLD 🔒 on 3/6 one year, post trip. She also decided to move to NYC in MARCH 2014.

I'm just saying... Kaylor owns MARCH. At least in my head, they do.

😄

yes! and i guess what’s also interesting to me is just how close up it is to when taylor and karlie have their moment at vsfs 2013. recorded three months and change afterwards, in fact. and moreover just the idea that the album wasn’t fully recorded yet, you know? i have known this but it’s easy to forget. and especially when i was i falling down the rabbit hole and still very much impressionable, this was just one of those things that you’re not made to dwell on long, things feel very hardline, and so you just take what is afforded to you and move on with your research, but in retrospect i’m always taken by these sorts of things that showcase the real gradation of time. anyway.

[dailykellygale]

Kelly Gale at the 2013 Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show After Party

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[sophs-style]

sophs-style:

Martha Hunt attended the 2018 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show After Party at Pier 94 on Thursday (8th November 2018) in New York City.