#Uncle and nephew. IDGAF.

[reginalusus]

I am thinking about them again.

[ladymorghul]

not my usual type of headcanon but here goes nothing. i'm on season two of tlk just so you know where this is lowkey inspired from.

tw: op's inaccurate asoiaf politics, abusive behaviour, cliches but idgaf cuz i love many cliches. also overlords of other regions who??

did not give this a second reread yet so if there's mistakes in it i might fix it later

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the assize at riverrun makes the blackwoods resentful of their overlords. that is blackwood land as far as they are concerned, and the decrepit lord tully cannot change what has been theirs for generations. it takes little time for the blackwoods to defy the new border and start a battle with the brackens, one that ends bloodily for both houses, but more so for the brackens as their enemy raids their two villages near the border, burning places of worship, killing men and women, and stealing from their crops.

because of this, their new lord paramount, oscar tully, barely of age (grover tully has since died, rip), summons both amos bracken and samwell blackwood to riverrun, declaring that such acts of barbarity cannot happen again. lord oscar proposes a marriage between house blackwood's heir, davos blackwood, and amos bracken's nephew, aeron bracken. both houses protest, outraged at the proposal. the blackwoods see no purpose in this marriage; it will not solve their complaints, nor will they marry their heir to the son of a second son. the brackens, on the other hand, emphasize that such a marriage will not wash away the bloodshed and that even if they were to agree to this farce of a marriage, which they will not, davos blackwood would need to come live in stone hedge, for their nephew would be merely a prisoner in raventree hall, especially with the reputation davos blackwood has.

what they don't know, of course, is that davos blackwood and aeron bracken are no strangers to each other. they met many times at the stones, since they were old enough to patrol, and have been enemies, exchanging shoves and cruel words, but the time spent at the border, time spent getting to know the supposed enemy, changed things. they have not named their relationship "a relationship" per se, but they had kissed and were meeting in secret at night sometimes. they were testing the waters and exploring this new relationship.

upon hearing about the proposal, aeron is both excited and scared. he knew he'd have to marry one day, both of them would have to marry, but marrying the person that you were falling for stirred something in his chest even if until that moment marriage was not yet a concept he entertained at all. he thought he'd have more time. on the other hand he had no idea how davos would feel about this. sure, they liked each other enough to meet in secret and fool around a little, but marriage? that was for life.

with both houses refusing the marriage proposal, oscar tully falters and the idea fails. aeron feels disappointed but there's nothing he can do. he knew his uncle would never accept such proposal, nor would the blackwoods.

his uncle eventually tells him he'll marry into a different, random house, (have not yet decided which) and although frustrated and sad, aeron doesn't make much of a fuss because he knew it would eventually happen, he knew it was his duty as was everyone else's. but the more he thinks of how far away he'll be from home, from his friends, his family and well, davos, the more it eats at him. he accepts it, but he tries to meet davos one last time. davos never shows and they don't see each other before aeron leaves.

the problem is though, although sweet and polite on sight, the son of the house he's marrying is an actual nightmare. it starts small, with controlling what aeron can and can't do, and as the months go by, with aeron's defiant nature, everything turns worse, especially when his husband's parents die and he becomes lord. because aeron refuses to have anything to do with his husband at all, and has grown lowkey desperate with no allies in this keep, and has started responding back w as much strength as he could, his husband the lord makes him sleep in a cell with the dogs, dogs who overtime become attached to him and basically see him as their master. it helps aeron in a way, as now his husband refuses to even get close to the bars of his cell, but he's still locked up losing his mind. he hadn't been in sunshine for quite a while, hadn't seen his horse let alone ride it in a long time, hadn't had any practice, he was still a knight in his heart. he hadn't even seen a friendly face in so long. he felt like he was losing his sanity with each passing day. from his life in the riverlands to this? he could not live like this. but neither would he give in.

meanwhile in the riverlands, rumors of his treatment are reaching amos' ears. and davos' ears too. samwell blackwood died recently and davos is now lord, feeling both overwhelmed and lonely in his job. he has never forgotten aeron and what they had and had yet to still take a husband or a wife.

with these disturbing rumors reaching amos, amos sends raven after raven to the other house demanding answers but he's met with slightly polite yet short answers denying. the last raven is what sets amos off. the lord of whatever basically tells him that aeron is a married man now and all these accussations and worrying are for nothing. and that aeron is badly behaved as it is so the brackens should be thankful he did them the service of marrying such a man.

through this, the lord of whatever makes it known that he also refuses to grant aeron leave to visit or write to his family at all.

amos is, safe to say, angry. when he realizes aeron is basically a prisoner, much of what he feared would happen if he was married to davos blackwood all these months back, he decides to gather a small army and march on this house. he announces that any man able and willing to fight if it shall ever come to that, should join this march. that an insult to a man of house bracken, his nephew, is an insult to all rivermen. a few mallisters join, a few darry men and women too, a bit from all houses except, of course, the blackwoods.

but before amos can leave with his small army to march on this man keeping his nephew captive, he sees a small group of blackwoods crossing the boundary stones and approaching him and his men. they have with them a woman too, sporting a bow and arrows, looking fierce. at the head of it none other than davos blackwood.

"this is bracken land." amos says, but it's flat and devoid of any of the usual fire or anger.

davos almost smiles.

"we're here to join your march."

"you?" amos looks between them, like he can hardly believe they would.

"we are rivermen and women too aren't we?"

with that amos looks at them for a long time but eventually nods and gestures for them to join the rest of the people.

when davos had first heard the rumors about aeron's treatment, his gloom and heartbreak turned quickly into frustration and anger. how dare they disrespect him like this. nobody had exact details of what had happened to aeron, but he didn't deserve anything less than to be treat with the upmost respect. those vows spoken for marriage are not for nothing, whichever gods would be watching.

of course there were members of his house who strongly protested their lord just leave on a mad man's mission to save a bracken son from a foreigner house, but davos didn't want to hear any of it and although he had been overwhemed by his new responsabilities and nervous on weather he was doing a good enough job, he had found the strength to make his voice heard among his men. his decision was final.

alysanne was also not the happiest about this, but she would not undermine davos in front of the men of their house for she cared for him too much to do it publicly. nor would she leave him to go get himself killed gods know where. if your heart calls for you to go then you'll go and i'll go too, but this is stupid and unbecoming of a newly appointed lord.

in his stead, they left benji, now old enough to act as regent to davos, and they also left trusted men to guide him.

the march was long and not easy, they were not used to this type of long march, but shockingly, davos and amos were slowly forging a bond on their way there. amos was slowly realizing just how much davos blackwood cared about his nephew, that against the word of his house, and as a new, young lord, he'd leave his duties to march so far away for a bracken man. as they grew closer, tolerating each other better, dots were connecting in amos' head and he was beginning to understand with regret that his decisions contributed to aeron's situation.

as they were approaching whatever house, they realized a fight might have to happen when lord whatever sent some men to foolishly attack and immediately die at the hand of amos' small army.

there wasn't much of a fight. lord whatever was a proud man with no knowledge of battle and too few men. they fought but it didn't take much for amos' army to breach the keep and move the fight within.

davos fought in a fury, striking down every man in his path, and amos even saved his ass from being hit head on by a morningstar.

aeron in his cell was hearing the sounds of battle, sounds he hadn't heard since the burning mill, and in his daze, in his madness he stood up on weak knees to hear better, the dogs stirring up from their sleep to gather around him. then lord whatever came down to the cells with a couple of men. he ordered one man to open aeron's cell but all of them feared those "savage" dogs, including lord whatever. one of the men eventually opened the cell. he was also told to to grab aeron so that they can flee to their overlords house for safety. aeron looked between them, a warning with no words, and when the guard, after hesitating, attempted to grab aeron, one of the dogs immediately made for his hand. the rest soon followed, as packs do, and the rest of the guards stepped back, almost fleeing as they watched in horror. once they were done with the guard, aeron turned his attention on the man who had tortured him for the past months. he tried to reason with aeron, telling him savages had come to attack them, that they need to flee, but aeron was too lost in his hatred and rage and dispair to care.

"kill" was all he said and the dogs launched themselves at his lord husband, tearing him apart and making the rest of the guards flee.

when the lord commander of house whatever's forces saw through a window what had occured, he called for a stop to the fight. his lord was dead, many men had died, and there was no victory in sight so this was useless.

amos accepted, he had not actually come to shed blood from the get go, and he told his men to lay down their swords and hoard the remaining men of house whatever into a single place, taking their weapons.

it was then that aeron emerged from one of the entries of the keep, barefoot and dirty, but stil strong enough to walk on his own. the sun bothered his eyes and he cringed as he tried to make out the people before him. his dogs huddled close to him, excited and on edge because of the commotion.

when his eyes laid on his uncle, he took a deep breath, almost like he was breathing for the first time in months, and almost thought he was hallucinating it. time stood still and the world was spinning and he looked around to take in the bloodshed. he was saved. was he saved? what did that mean anymore? his eyes then landed on a bloodied davos who seemed almost as shocked as aeron when their gazes met. it was then that aeron could feel tears forming in his eyes and he was suddenly very aware of the state of him and everything he'd been through.

"you left me," he said to davos but then quickly looked at his uncle, both speechless, "you sent me away and you left me here to rot." he looked again at davos, anger and heartbreak and defeat evident in his voice and on his face. he didn't care anymore that he looked like a mad man to everyone watching.

"aeron," davos spoke first, taking a small step.

"you didn't want to marry me, you never came back for me," he said, anger overtaking all other emotions, "and you," he turned to his uncle, "you sent me away from the riverlands to a cruel man. for nothing."

feeling that aeron was angry and on edge, the dogs around him started to growl and snarl at them, especially when they tried to take a step closer to aeron. everything amos was trying to say was falling on deaf ears.

"maybe i should let them kill you like they did my lord husband." aeron almost whispered, looking from davos to amos, but as he saw their faces, full of worry and heartbreak, he faltered and looked down at himself and his hands, becoming more aware of the state he was in.

eventually he relaxed a bit, the emotion draining him of whatever energy he had left after so much time spent in a cell, and he swayed a little on his legs before turning around and walking back inside. he was by the entrance when he almost lost his balance but a heavy hand caught him in time. there was growling from the dogs but when aeron looked up he saw davos at his side, unafraid. aeron shook davos off gently and placed his hand on top of one of the dogs' heads and they all settled as he walked inside.

THE END

no. of course there is more to this story. more about healing, about forgiveness and who knows, if davos has any game, maybe a rekindling, maybe even an unlikely marriage, but there's quite a long way to that and this is all i have.

[odinsblog]

I’m sorry, but the fact that the U.S. government is treating Android users like they’re being discriminated against bECAUSE OF A GREEN FUCKING BUBBLE is objectively one of thee stupidest things and most colossal wastes of government regulatory authority I’ve seen in a good fucking minute

We can and should have meaningful discussions about Apple and whether or not it’s a monopoly (it’s not), or a monopsony (possibly), and yes, there is a discussion to be had on the accessibility and the predatory practices of the entire industry—not just Apple���but the fact that the whole “green bubble discrimination” framing even made it into the lawsuit is somewhere between funny and absolutely bizarro

I am convinced that that specific part of the lawsuit is something that Android loving tech bros (Linus Sebastian, Nilay Patel, Elon Musk, etc. etc. etc.) kinda talked up into being a serious thing ™

Listen, my father’s parents had 7 boys and 7 girls, and my mother’s parents also had 7 boys and 7 girls (yes they got married and had children; no, they didn’t all marry each other) — so my point is, I have a shit ton of aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces and nephews. We could probably start our own political party. We’re spread out all around the country, and we talk + text + FaceTime with each other ALL the fucking time. Literally never has anyone complained about being a fucking green bubble, and yes, many of my extended family are Android users and so are some of my siblings. It’s a non-fucking issue, a manufactured controversy

If we ever have problems with interoperability (rare) then someone just switches phones (because many people have both Apple and android devices), or we text, or we just talk (not every convo requires FaceTime or pictures), or everyone just switches over to Zoom. JFC, before Zoom, we all connected on something called ooVoo and stayed on that for hours the night that Obama was elected for the first time. This is not difficult people

Use whatever phone you prefer, honestly Idgaf

But I’m actually getting kinda mad the more I think about that foolishness being one of the things that the Department of Justice is wasting time arguing about

“The stigma and social costs of not having an iPhone”?

*blinks in Black Lives Matter*

There are multiple genocides happening around the world, American owned businesses are data mining and vacuuming up every scrap of our personal data, Black people + women + refugees + trans people are being, REALLY being discriminated against, and the Apple lawsuit has the audacity to use language that implies harmful social discrimination is happening? Because “poor” old android???

What’s next, will android users become a legally protected class?

Please be serious for 2 seconds

It’s a fucking insult to people who are REALLY experiencing true discrimination based on personal characteristics that we cannot change

This reeks of white people bullshit

Please GTFOHWTBS

[graveyardblossom]

Idgaf what the perpetually bitter Daryl haters say, Daryl has always been an AMAZING uncle to his niece and nephew, and no one can rightfully claim otherwise 🥺

#uncle Daryl

[lunarifie]

Rewatching Ninjago

(With no context other than the episode)

Day of the Departed

Im gonna be fr I didnt even know wtf Day of the departed was until i watched the first episode of Hands of Time and was like

“COLES HUMAN AGAIN?!?!???!?”

Did some googling, and bc i dont have Tubi or Amazon, im being forced to use an illegal pirating site 😔

Hdjsbfjdirbr

jk lol

idgaf

I use wcofun.net for cartoons and shit if anyone wants to know where to watch it

I feel like ive seen this movie before…

Was day of the departed on netflix for a while????

Lloyd: I dont get why you get have the Sonic Radar Jet 😒

Jay: Uh, Duh, bc I called dibs 🙄

Bfjsnfjdnsn

Jay: Right Cole?

Jay:… Cole?

Cole: (freaking out and unable to control his car)

Damn, they did rlly good with that beginning. Making it seem lighthearted and then subtly panning to Cole who’s panicking bc he cant get ahold of his car

Awww so day of the departed is like a mix of Halloween and dia de los muertos

Museum exhibit guy: Its spooky time! BOOGLY BOOGLY!

!?!?????!?! im sorry 😭?

That was just so random

…

Why cant they see Cole.

I dont like this WHY CANT THEY SEE COLE.

They dont realize Coles not with them :(

How is that even possible

Were their memories wiped????

Like what?????

Lloyd and misako lit a lantern for Garmadon 🥺

Kai and Nya for their parents 🥹

ZANE MADE AN ICE STATUE FOR HIS DAD?!?!?

Im am just NOW realizing how many people who are close to the ninja have died

“stay close with the people we are still fortunate to have”: (pans to Jay having the best time with his loving parents)

Except Jay. Jay hasn’t had the trauma of someone permanently die on him.

Okay so everyone forgot about Cole except his father. How does that even work.

Coles dad and his singing group are actually pretty good-

Dareth: Kids… always disappoint you. Thats why I dont have any! And because Gayle keeps turning down my marriage proposals….

HFHDJFBJDBF

its canon that Jay and Dareth both know how to do makeup. Dareth and Jay ALSO both have a similar sense of showmanship.

Which means Jay and Dareth are uncle and nephew besties who bond over their shared interests of performances.

Its canon bc i said so.

RONIN?!?? What are you doing here 💀

Honestly, I was gonna be like “Cole. Dude. Chill.” But if I was a ghost I would also go batshit murder crazy if I caught eye of the person who TURNED me into a ghost

….

Why is Yangs temple floating.

1. Didnt it fall from the sky and back to the ground after Nadakhans power was weakened?

2. THE SKYBOUND TIMELINE WAS ERASED. Shouldnt it be BACK WHERE IT WAS.

Why were the villains souls in a vase in Yangs temple

I cant get over the fact that these villains souls just possessed these plastic statues of themselves.

Like, my guys, you don’t have organs.

MORROS BACK BABY

Cant believe these goofy ass goons traumatized the ninja in some shape or form

The departed realm…

Okay. So the cursed realm DIED right, it no longer exists. So did the departed realm replace it?

Pythor?!??!?!

Pythor:… chen…

Chen: Pythor. 🙄💅

Lmaaoo Chen and Pythor having beef is hilarious

JFNDJFNDJDNJFNS The two villains fighting over who gets to kill Zane 😭😭😭

Nindroid: Hes MY clone!

Pythor: technically your his clone

Chen: The blacksmit brats are mine

Pythor: How come you get two?!?!?!

Yangs painting looks so silly being animated 💀

What does Chen have against nya?

Oh wait is it because she disguised herself as one of his lady clowns?

Morro. My man. Didnt you like, redeem yourself by giving Wu the crystal instead of letting him save you? I mean yeah it was a shitty redemption but shouldn’t you be a little nicer?????

Its funny how none of the villains have deep beef with Jay. Theyre like, “uhhhhh, theres one ninja and two of us, lets rock papers scissors for him?”

Wait none of the villains called Cole either-

Is Cole THAT forgettable 😭

Okay headcannon time: Cole never liked fame which is kind of shown after Zanes death. He doesnt like to be recognized. I headcannon that as the ninja got famous and Jay + Nyas relationship became wide spread news, everyone just, FORGOT about Cole. Like no one gave a fuck about him, and thats kinda his own fault too by not going to interviews or putting him out there other than to do his job. He probably just went invisible anytime the paparazzi came close.

Cant believe they remembered Dareth and not COLE.

Yangs backstory lets gooooo

Yang: ah yes, time to conjure this spell of immortality with the ancient precious Yin weapon. (Starts viciously swinging it like hes attacking invisible demons)

Cole: my friends will come for me!

Dude your friends forgot about you. Im genuinely sorry but i dont think theyre coming ☹️

That feeling when you have to fight your girlfriends abusive dad whos supposed to be dead

that ones for the Kai x Skylor shippers AND the Nya x Skylor shippers

NO. YOU MOTHER FUCKERS. THEY DESTROYED THE STATUE ZANE MADE FOR HIS DAD

Nindroid: Oh Im sorry! Did I hurt your dad? Or should I say OUR dad?

Fuck you.

I hate when Ed and Edna get attacked they dont deserve this :(

Why cant pythor just leave Lloyd the fuck alone 😭😭😭

Wu: the eclipse is an omen, but is it one of good? Or bad?

Morro (sneaking up behind him and whispering): Bad. Very bad…

Cole: Why did I use the Yin blade and release the ghosts!

Yang: Well, you were scared you were departing, so I used your fragile mental state- oh wait, you weren’t asking literally were you.

Why do the ninja never use their powers when they need to.

Why are there so many plot-holes in this movie.

Cole: So I uh, didn’t get your name!

Yangs student:…

Cole: Okay, lets call you Chuck. Chuck! Ik you think your yangs student, but you can help me and we can escape together!!!

Yangs student:…

Cole: Okay… no pressure! But you have 3 seconds to decide.

Cole: 1… 2…. 3. (Knocks them tf out)

Cole: Guess im doing this solo.

Jfndjfndjdnt coles great I love him sm

FINALLY SOMEONE USES THEIR ELEMENTAL POWERS.

Good job Jay for actually having some sense for once

Jay: what do you want with my parents!

Skeleton samukai: its not your parents I want! Its you!

Jay: 😶

Im in love with the person who animated Jay in this scene. Having Jay hop back and forth between his two feet like hes ready to fight and then having him fumble with his nunchucks is just, 👌

Thank you for your service random animator.

Why is Coles dads singing group holding replicas of Garmadons evil helmet 💀

COLE JUST STOPPED A SWORD WITH HIS FUCKING THIGHS.

WTF

Morro: No you dont understand! Im not here to fight you. Im here to warn you….

Ohhhh so this is Morros true redemption

Hes gonna die again isnt he…

Okay, so Yang did make all of them forget Cole.

Cole (fighting all of Yangs students): You guys are more tiresome than Jay!

HFNSJBFNSN

Why do the ninja always bash Jay just out of nowhere 😭

Skeleton samukai: If its worth anything. This isnt personal.

Jay: It kinda feels like it is 😀

RONIN?!?

Ronin: yeah… I came to help… definitely didnt think your parents would be at the concert so I could steal some free scrap metal….

Dude. My man. You could quite literally just ASK. Ed and Edna are so nice theyd probably give you free scrap metal and some tea while theyre at it.

I forgot Pixal was still in Zanes brain-

Uncharacteristically, Lloyds fight with Pythor is the most boring fight in this movie.

NOOOOOW THEY ALL USE THEIR ELEMENTAL POWERS.

Pythor: No… just time for a spectacular exit! (Falls of the cliff and crashes through the fucking floor)

Ronin: Happy day of the departed guys! And uh, thanks for the scraps…

Ed: All you had to do was ask 😌

SEE.

Museum guy: My museum!!! What have you done!!!!

Dareth (holding the helmet that controls the stone warriors): Hehe! sorry…

Cole (after knocking out Yangs student, absolutely exhausted, and sounding legitimately sorry and pained): Dont make me hurt you too… ☹️

Last of yangs students: …. (Skedadles)

Morro: Yang tricked Cole into opening a rift to return to ninjago…

Jay: Coooole! Howd he trick you!

Zane: Jay, Cole isnt here 🤨

Jay: Are you sure? Hes been fading a lot lately. Hes easy to miss.

The ninja: WE FORGOT COLE!!!?!!

Yeah. Dipshits. Now its time to save him. AND APOLOGIZE.

Morro returned his plastic statue body to the museum 🥺

He finished what he sought out to do 🥲

Yang: What are you even fighting for. Your friends have abandoned you! You are all alone.

Damn.

Cole probably has abandonment issues doesn’t he…

His mom, then his friends…

Im getting all emotional I need some good Cole hurt/comfort fanfic recs right this instant😭

HES FADING NO

STOP HIS SIGH SOUNDED SO WEAK AND DEFEATED

COOOLE 😭😭😭

COLES LAVA HAND POWERS HELL YEAH!!!!

Yangs pupils actually look so cool. I wanna draw them.

His pupils are alive again 🥹

Yang: My students, are leaving me… I … failed….

Cole: Yeah. Ya did.

Yang: I always fail…

Cole: Yeah, Ya- wait what?

Cole: (having an emotional talk with Yang about how he’ll never be forgotten and that he knows how it feels to be independent and alone.)

Jay: COLE. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU DOING THE RIFT IS CLOSING GODDAMMIT.

The curse stating that someone has to stay behind and be the ghost of the temple is so stupid.

Au where Morro snuck into the rift and became human again.

God that would have been such a good excuse to have him back as a permanent character

I hate that they didnt do that

Lloyd: Wheres Cole!?!? Did he make it?

Jay: Oh no…

Jay: Its too late. He’s gone forever.

Jay: Id give anything to have him back… (Wipes a tear away)

Cole: Anything?…

Jay (with his eyes closed): Anything.

Cole (jumping out from behind a rock): Even the Sonic Radar Jet? :D

Everyone: COLE!!!!

I love them sm

THEY DID A TIMESKIP!!!

Cole: So was I right or was I right!

Jay: Goddammit Cole are you gonna tell this story every Day of the Departed 🙄

That was a sweet note to leave it on :)

Headcannon that Cole goes to visit Yang and his temple all the time

My only complaint is Morro not slipping through the rift and becoming human again.

[shipperoffanonships]

Olympian Family Traits (except they're mortals) HC

Zeus: The brooding, too-serious dad

Poseidon- The chill but reliable uncle; will give you good advices when you ask for it

Hades- The introvert uncle

Hera- A Karen of a mom; likes to gossip

Hestia- The aunt everyone loves

Demeter- Neutral

Aphrodite- The doting aunt who constantly asks about your love life

Ares- Least favourite cousin/nephew/son

Hermes- Everyone's WORST nightmare

Apollo- The life of the party/ cause of his sister's headache most of the time

Artemis- Punk(ish) daughter; has an 'IDGAF' vibe

Athena- Quiet kid; analyses EVERYTHING; A+ student

Dionysius- The underage son who manages to buy and sneak in alcohol in the house

[sirenalpha]

@ilikepjo24

first, I'm gonna say idgaf about the comics they're not of a quality for me to consider canon and I have not read any of them past the first one anyways

Iroh is her uncle not her primary caregiver, his duty of care towards her is obviously lessened, he thought of her while absent enough to send her a present, he is then absent because his burned and banished nephew is in greater need of care than Azula, even when they fight at the start of s2, he neutralizes her rather than aggressively attacking her but as she is a lethal threat to both him and Zuko, obviously he's not about to coddle her at that point, nothing about this is neglectful or abusive

and there's no evidence Ursa was neglectful either, she paid attention to Azula and appropriately reprimanded her when she behaved badly during Zuko's flashback, even made Zuko her supposedly favored child play with her, and even in Azula's delusion was emotionally present and said she cared about her, she was not neglectful at all towards Azula

Ursa being gone is not her neglect of Azula, she did not of her own free will choose to abandon her children, Ozai forced her out it is not the same thing, that's Ozai's abuse towards his children, to remove anyone who might protect them from him or in anyway limit his control or authority over them and how they should think and behave

this is exactly what I'm talking about with regards to Azula, your interpretation of these two characters does not match the text of the show

Why are Thanos and Azula fans so mental

idk if u want a real answer but have it anyways, I haven't interacted with any Thanos fans so I can't say there, I think he was portrayed well and more memorable than a lot of other MCU villains though not all but ultimately his plan is kind of nonsensical so I don't find him that interesting to discuss

he's kind of a lot like Ozai in my opinion, Ozai has bricks for brains and he's only made interesting through his children and his menace and atla actually does better with the build up and menace and follow through probably because they had one consistent team rather than multiple directors

you only really need one post to discuss either of them which is that they're stupid and cruel and their children are better than them as people and/or characters and their actors did a really good job in helping their believability despite their super dumb plans

but if I were to guess, I think Thanos fans are mental because they think his plan is sound and applicable to the real world, and yes we humans on planet earth without magic are living on a finite planet under an economy that needs infinite growth to function which is obviously in conflict with finite reality which will make people twist themselves to try to square that cognitive dissonance to begin with, but ultimately the non-cruel and more effective though supremely difficult and potentially dangerous solution is to change the economy, but instead they support Thanos's halving the population as a logical and good solution but it's not, if you don't solve the underlying problem - the economy - you will still end up in a place of running out of resources due to an infinitely growing economy

to make it worse, Thanos's plan is even less sensical in the MCU than in the real world, he has the ability to make whatever he wants at will, he could make infinite resources and chooses not to, so if you take something that's cruel but could be a short term solution in a finite world and apply it to a scenario where those limits don't apply because magic

you have to be mental and also cruel to treat Thanos's plan as good and smart, you are fighting reality

and fighting reality is also why Azula's fans are mental

don't get me wrong, I really like Azula, she is a much better written character than Thanos, she doesn't have any plans or do anything super obviously stupid, but she is still a villain, has a negative character arc, and is flawed and some fans really cannot accept characters having any flaws or being culpable for their own problems in any way

a lot of the really mental Azula fans completely deny how manipulative she is, especially of Zuko, they see her as a fundamentally honest character because she told the truth a couple of times which does not match the text of the show

and if you deny that she is manipulative it's obviously hard to see that she is abusive which she is, mostly to Zuko but she's also cruel and tests Ty Lee and Mai

they see her as an abuse victim of Ozai, Ursa, and Iroh and one who did not receive help from anyone and deserved help and rescue from Iroh but more importantly from Zuko, and while it's true Ozai abused her, there's no evidence Ursa and Iroh abused her though they obviously weren't able to prevent the abuse, and Zuko as her abuse victim actually doesn't owe her shit and that's unacceptable to them

so accurately describing Azula as she is in the show is seen as an attack denigrating the character by Azula fans because they have a completely warped view of her that doesn't match the text of the show and only exists on their head which obviously is in conflict with reality

[reginalusus]

hii umm twoface and maybe even spamton?? for tha list thingy you reblogged a while ago 😇 hi

Tumblr seriously need to make an option to group asks or something (maybe they have and I just missed it). Anyway, I'm just gonna put it all in the one post!

Spamton - Favourite thing: Literally how good of a concept he is. A malware/virus/spam email personified into a sleazy, villainous salesman with a vocal tic? I adore that. Also he’s relatable. - Least favourite thing: IDK if this question has to actually relate to the canon-ness of the character. There’s nothing about him I particularly dislike? I can’t think of anything in terms of canon. I can certainly think of things outside of canon but I’m not counting that. - Favourite line: He has so many, ughhhh, but I always quote: “KID! I’M BUSY BECOMING [God]. GO PLAY [Minecrap] OR SOMETHING!” - BroTP: Spamton and Crypton/Blue Addison. - OTP: I honestly don’t really ship him with anyone but I do enjoy Swatchton sometimes. - NoTP: Spamton and Kris. Fucking stop. - Random headcanon: So fucking many but the first that comes to mind is that he shivers/gets panicky when he hears a phone ring due to his PTSD. - Unpopular opinion: Again, IDK if this has to relate to the canon-ness, but I’m just going to stick with that, so… I don’t think he’s as absurdly short as most people depict him as. - Song I associate him with: The obvious fucking answer is BIG SHOT, but I’m not counting that since it’s his canon theme. I’ve really gotta go with Welcome to the Internet by Bo Burnham. It’s chaotic and fast and literally sounds like a huge salesman's pitch for the internet. It suits him uncannily well. - Favourite picture: Again, does this have to be canon? Gonna go with this one:

Lips! Kissing!

Two-Face/Harvey Dent -Favourite thing: How the fuck am I supposed to pick one thing- ok, fine, again, like Spamton, it’s the concept of him. An ex-lawyer who is split between serving justice the genuine way (the way he had always intended) or in the most extreme, horrifying way (the way he had always intended to stop) and acting as a foil to the hero who also has two personas. That’s a watered down version. Also he’s relatable. - Least favourite thing: Again, I can’t think of anything. I guess his whole thing with Renee was shitty. I do enjoy that story but, like, Harvey, don’t do that! - Favourite line: This man has many good lines, how can I pick- ok, the one that I think about a lot is: “We know the truth. You aren’t Bruce Wayne. Jim Gordon and I, we didn’t strike a deal with Bruce Wayne. And it sure as hell’s not Bruce Wayne waiting on the rooftops each night. This is who you are. See, we get it, Bruce. It’s not the face you’re given. It’s the face you choose.” - BroTP: Harvey and Jason. Though I view it more as an uncle/nephew thing rather than mere friends. - OTP: Again, like Spamton, I don’t necessarily ship him with anyone but I am an enjoyer of TwoBats/BruHarvey. - NoTP: Harvey with any of the (former) Robins. I have seen this and don't like it. Thankfully it really isn't common or popular. - Random headcanon: I have so manyyyyyyy, but one is that both Harvey and Two-Face MUST have everything in their living space EXACTLY how they want it. If anyone so much as moves something, scratches something, puts something somewhere else, they will know and they will go mental. - Unpopular opinion: I surprisingly think I have a few unpopular takes on him, I think, but… I guess it isn’t unpopular to say that Harvey’s boss fight in Arkham Knight was stupid and disappointing. However, it may be unpopular to say that this MF should NOT be easy to take down. He is a tough bastard, IDGAF. - Song I associate with him: Fuck, quite a few, but I’m gonna go with Psycho by Muse. If you interpret the lyrics as Two-Face speaking to Harvey, it becomes a song that is uncannily perfect about how his DID takes over him. - Favourite picture: HOW TF AM I SUPPOSED TO PICK ONE- Fine, I fucking love this one:

It’s been my Discord banner for ages. Look at him. Only a depressed fucking mess sleeps like that. Absolute husband material.

Scarecrow/Jonathan Crane - Favourite thing: Literally how he gives off strong cringefail loser vibes but has the means to psychologically ruin you for life. His 'power' is literally my worst nightmare. I'd really not spend longer in my head than I have to, thanks, Jon. - Least favourite thing: TBH I haven't read/consumed enough Scarecrow stories to pick something, so I can't really answer. - Favourite line: "And at the end of fear, oblivion!" - There's something quite harrowing about this. - BroTP: Again, I haven't consumed enough Scarecrow media to give a true answer to these sort of questions. I do like the idea of Harley and Jon being friends though. They were both Arkham doctors and basically became the patients they'd evaluate. They'd have lit convos. - OTP: AGAIN, I'm not the biggest shipper. I don't actually know if I'd ship Jon with anyone? I do enjoy some ScRiddler art. - NoTP: Hmmm... again, not enough info. Scarecrow fans, feel free to let me know which ships you hate. - Random headcanon: He hates horror movies. He thinks the vast majority are wasted potential and can't stand shitty slasher stuff. Perhaps he even wants to write a horror movie. - Unpopular opinion: I don't know if this is not all that unpopular, but... I actually really like Arkham Knight Scarecrow. His design is neat, I love his fucking syringe hands, his voice is so soothing and calm which is a good juxtaposition to his character. I enjoy him. - Song I associate with him: IDK why but Spooky Scary Skeletons by Andrew Gold, help- not that it suits him, but I feel like it would be a guilty pleasure of his. - Favourite picture: It's gotta be this one:

I just fucking love how silly he looks here, the big goofball. /pos

[chillyravenart]

Do you think Rhaena should have taken the iron throne before Jaehaerys? She was Aenys’s first born and the wife of Aegon the uncrowned who also had two daughters with him. According to westerosi law a lords daughter comes before a brother. Also I love your blog so much and your art is amazing

Oh boy that's a complicated question haha! I'll try my best to answer it though I'm no expert on Westerosi law. I'm not sure Rhaena was ever set up to be a ruler in her own right unfortunately. She could have been amazing no doubt, she was smart and ruthless and authoritative enough to fit the bill. The circumstances of her life however, changed things. Her brother/husband Aegon the Uncrowned was declared the official king after the death of Aenys by his mother, and Maegor was having none of that.

After marrying Rhaena, Maegor named Aerea as his heir until a son of his own was born. She was "queen by courtesy" under Jaehaerys, and had her own court but it was Jaehaerys whose "writ ran from Oldtown to the Wall."

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Westerosi law prefers a male heir; a son, a younger son, a brother, a nephew etc over a daughter? So Jaehaerys' claim would have been stronger than Rhaena's in that case. But obviously there are exceptions and it differs somewhat according to the region. However Dorne is the only exception to Westeros' male succession law.

Diversion **In the current series, Catelyn referred to a distant relation in the Vale as Robb's heir over Sansa or Arya, Balon Greyjoy preferred Asha as his heir (but then Asha lost to her uncle Euron) and Stannis named Shireen as his heir, but I think that was heavily influenced by the lack of credible male heirs for both? Also, Harry Hardyng is Sweetrobin's heir through the female line due to a lack of male line heirs.**

Anyway going back to Rhaena, I don't think the laws of succession were set in stone up to that point, however Jaehaerys leading the rebellion against Maegor and being the obvious choice to look to is understandable in a society that ultimately favoured male primogeniture.

(There was an exception to that rule with Rhaenyra but the Dance muddied the waters even more so I won't go there. We also have Viserys II taking over from Baelor the Blessed, but again that was partly a consequence of the upheaval caused by the Dance.)

Anyway, to cut this short lol, Rhaena's life was fraught with tragedy, trauma and hardship, it's no wonder she wanted to be away from Kings Landing and set up her own little court on Dragonstone. Losing her daughter Aerea would have reverted the succession back to her nieces/nephews (with Rhaella joining the Faith being counted out).

I personally adore Jaehaerys & Alysanne's reign, I think it was so stabilising and good for Westeros, I think that Jaehaerys was a great king (despite his flaws, idgaf) and his legacy could have been great if not for the Hightowers The Dance.

Rambling over lol I hope that made sense. Apologies for any errors! And thank you for liking my art, I really appreciate it!💕

[dr-gloom]

so i had this super surreal moment a few hours ago that my brain is finally letting me ruminate on so i figured yall can join me on this journey

okay so like, my mom has been (finally) using the right name and pronouns for me, and after some reassurances from a Professional(tm) she explained it to my nieces and nephew and they use the right name for me, at least.

well their dad (my bro) came to pick them up tonight, and im like in the next room and the walls are thin as shit so i can usually hear convos pretty well, and they were talking about something and mentioned me, and they called me Uncle Isaac.

well my bro, this 30-something ex-marine fucker who adores trump and thinks military service should be mandatory, dead-ass tells his kids and our mom “no, (deadname)”

and my niece, bless her, goes “No, Uncle Isaac” (shes 6. shes scared of like, everything. ill never understand how she can stand up to her scary-ass dad but bless her)

and he just goes “why”

and my other niece goes “shes (she mightve said ‘hes’, like i said i was a room over behind a closed door, idk) something... transition?”

“transgender” my mom goes

and i didnt hear what my bro said, but i asked my mom later and she told me he went on this spiel about how theres no genetic test for it so it doesnt exist

and i just laughed when she told me that

because honestly like sure, ive faced plenty of discrimination and hate in my years, but idk hearing it from my bro who i have absolutely no respect for and i think his kids should be taken from him because hes a shitty abusive parent, it was just really funny to me. like, it was legit a joke

and my mom went “you know there are people like that, give him time, some people just cant accept it”

and i went yeah okay mom

but honestly? 

he can choke

idgaf if he ever accepts it, he doesnt matter to me

[oopsbirdficced]

Anonymous asked: Hi there! Could I have some El Cid/Sisyphus with #6, “I need a place to stay.”, please?

(Making use of my (probably incorrect but idgaf) headcanons that once Sisyphus heard Rasgado’s report on Ilias and Regulus he immediately went out to find Regulus and succeeded a few months to a year later.) When he sees Sisyphus, he looks tired. It's their weekly sparring match, and Sisyphus is moving alarmingly slowly, sluggish and clearly exhausted. He's been gone for a few months, for some mission or another, and Cid calls halt, actually worried about his friend. “What happened, on your mission? You're exhausted, Sisyphus.” He asks, scowling. It's not like Sisyphus to not take the appropriate time to physically recuperate from his missions. “It's hard to explain,” he smiles weakly. Cid tries to recall what the mission had been. Something about investigating the death of his brother, wasn't it? More a personal mission than anything else. “Well, you're not in any condition to actually spar, so you may as well start talking,” he replies obstinately. Sisyphus hesitates, and Cid almost relents, but Sisyphus breaks first. It's a halting, awful story. Rasgado had been sent out to find and bring back Leo Ilias, but had returned with failure, telling Sisyphus with evident grief that not only had Ilias died to Wyvern Rhadamanthys, but that he had had a very small son, who had likely also perished, as Rasgado had searched for him and not been able to find him. How Sisyphus had petitioned the Grand Master to go try to find his nephew, despite having just barely returned from his years-long mission to find Lady Athena. How, almost a full year after Ilias’s death, Sisyphus actually found his nephew, and with him, the Leo Cloth. How Sisyphus is now trying to raise his six-year-old nephew. A nephew who still doesn't quite trust him. A skittish little boy, by Sisyphus’s account. “If you're determined to keep him-” “Of course I'm going to keep him, Cid, he's my nephew!” Sisyphus interrupts, sounding scandalized. “It sounds like you need some time to adjust. To… bond.” He looks slightly pained, and Sisyphus smiles reflexively. “You should take him somewhere, for a while. After your mission success, I'm sure Master Sage will grant it.” “Well then,” Sisyphus is beaming, and he's so beautiful Cid doesn't know what to do with himself, so he consigns himself to composing more sappy, stupid poetry for when he next sends a letter to Maria. His older sister thinks it's hilarious, anyway. “I need a place to stay. I'll have to check with Regulus.” Sisyphus is so happy, so cheerful that Cid almost says he's welcome to stay at his family home in Spain, before he stays his tongue. Cid is the middle sibling of six, and several of his siblings are married with children already. Not to mention the aunts, uncles, and cousins of varying degrees. Not the best place for a skittish six year old, most likely. “Have fun,” he says instead, and Sisyphus hugs him before skipping off to meet with the Grand Master.

[azrael-the-lucifan]

Headcanons

Alright so most of the time when people come up with headcanons they make a ton of sense, especially ones for Jak and Daxter. One of my personal favourites is Daxter, when trying to figure out what Onin was saying, actually knew what some of the signs meant. Basically this headcanon says that Daxter knows some sign language because he and Jak decided to learn some basics to it because Jak was mute. The HC also says that the reason Daxter got so many signs wrong is because, like spoken language, this universe’s sign language developed over the years.

But anyway, that’s not really the point of this post, no no no. The point of this post is to point out that my HCs are absolutely stupid. Basically I just come up with things that have no backing from the series and I’m just like, “yup, that sounds cool and it’s not disproven so as far as I’m concerned it’s true.” I do this for lots of things too (unintentional, but, when I was little I erased Raditz from existence and decided that Goku and Vegeta were brothers instead. Legit, idk why I did that but.... yeah that was a thing I believed). So, without further ado, here’s the stupid HC I came up with today for Jak and Daxter *drum roll*

Torn is Jak’s uncle.

I know, I know. “But Azrael that doesn’t make any sense!” I know that, that’s what all the build up was about. Do they look alike? No. Do I have evidence? No. Do I have hints? No. Would it be hilarious if it was true? Most definitely. And that is why I choose to believe it. We don’t have proof that it’s not true, so you can’t be like, “Azrael, Torn can’t be Jak’s uncle because blah blah blah...” I know it makes no sense but IDGAF! That’s what makes HCs fun! And before you ask, no Torn is not Damas’s brother in this HC, rather Jak’s mom’s brother. I just think it would be hilarious for Torn to find out that the kids he’s been sending on suicide missions was actually his tiny little mute nephew all grown up.

Anyway, that’s that. I would love to hear what people think about my ridiculous idea and I would love even more to hear your headcanons about Jak and Daxter!

[zalrb]

Damon, TAKE STEALTH LESSONS {2x04 Review}

1. I’m sorry, we really need to talk about how this twenty year old man is this jealous over his 17 year old brother, like get over yourself, Damon and grow up, be an older brother. Stefan is SEVENTEEN.

2. In this dream, Elena says that it’s Damon’s turn at the pool table but then Elena is the one who’s playing while Damon is like teaching her how to play even though Elena can play pool but I guess Katherine wouldn’t know about the last part.

3. Also I’m laughing because when would Damon and Elena actually do anything like play pool in their actual relationship.

4. Tyler is actually being quite calm considering he knows werewolves exist now.

5. Katherine actually annoyed me in this episode, mostly when she’s trying to be coy about werewolves, something about Nina’s enunciations and she exaggerates her features the way Ian does for Damon.

6. I still have no idea why all the vampires would look to Katherine.

7. Katherine, my girl, why would Stefan come back to MF to fall in love with you all over again when he thought you died? Girl, stop.

8. Stefan is also a lot better at emotional manipulation than Damon like Damon does it the most and he does it aggressively but Stefan is way more stealth when he does it. 

9. I can appreciate that Stefan is given the chance to torture his abuser but I am hella annoyed that Caroline wasn’t afforded the same chance with Damon.

10. I find it ridiculous that Elena tells Jenna to be nice to Damon when Damon killed her brother and Jenna’s nephew and I also find it ridiculous that Jenna tells Elena she’ll be nice when Damon “keeps [his] paws off [her]” and doesn’t tell Damon to leave her underage niece alone. Like Jenna, he was flirting with you and Matt’s mother at the bar! And this whole dynamic makes me question why Elena didn’t question Stefan and Damon dating one woman before she knew they were vampires because Stefan and Damon dating one woman is like her and Jenna dating the same guy.

11. Now when I watch the scene of Mason and Damon introducing themselves I think of that blooper when Ian goes, “Oh hey I’m Ian”, completely ruined the scene because now I expect Ian to introduce himself as Ian.

12. Lol Caroline trying to break up Stefan and Elena on Katherine’s orders just makes me laugh now.

13. But she’s eating chips and now I want chips.

14. Katherine legitimately comes off as a delusional, crazy ex girlfriend. “Does she know that you love me?” but like pretty much any woman who falls for Stefan comes off that way and that includes Elena storming into Tessa’s cabin when she had no business there. 

15. Also they need to establish time with vampires because I’m sitting here thinking like, for argument’s sake, let’s say Stefan did love you in 1864, Katherine, that doesn’t suggest that he would love you over 100 years later, 100 years is a long ass time and throughout those years you watched him and he wasn’t pining for you and he thought you DIED soooooooooooo, I need to know if 100 years is considered like a year for a vampire especially since in season 7 Caroline is freaking out over Stefan being away for 3 years and gets her ass engaged in that time so like RULES.

16. It also makes absolutely no sense to me that Katherine would be staying in a house full of men in 1864 Virginia and everyone is OK with it. Propriety was a thing.

17. Damon stays being trash. “Is my love not enough?” well I don’t know, Damon, who did she take to the ball? It wasn’t you. She didn’t even speak to you all night! WHAT DO YOU THINK.

18. “I never compelled your love” but here’s the thing besides the fact that Stefan was clearly just infatuated, it doesn’t matter because once you do start compelling him, it all goes out the window, it poisons and pollutes what was there before because then you make him your victim, you take away how he truly feels about something and continue a relationship with him then everything that comes from that can never be completely real particularly since she compelled Stefan to drink her blood, like she really fucked up his life though.

19. DAMON IS SO BAD AT BEING STEALTHY. Yes, let’s antagonize Mason openly with pictionary because that is SO smart. Damon is bad at stealth also because he has a false sense of power and intelligence but Caroline’s “Puppy! Puppy! Puppy with a tutu!” is hilarious.

20. “Aunt Jenna is getting tipsy.” “Will you stop plying her with alcohol?” “Well I want her to like me! Nice. Very nice. A tactic he also uses on Elena in 1x11. This is typical predatory behaviour.

21. Also Damon is just UP in Elena’s space and she’s actually constantly startled and uncomfortable, that isn’t sexual tension.

22. Elena, aren’t you at all conflicted by the fact that Damon plans on stabbing one of your friend’s uncle? Like that just doesn’t cross your mind?

23. “You were so scared of me I had to take away your fear” or you could’ve left him alone, Katherine.

24. OK so George Lockwood was a werewolf and Katherine knew he was a werewolf and he knew she was a vampire and he decided because she knew he was a werewolf to tell the council about the vampires living in the town but was willing to strike a deal with the one person who knew he was a werewolf? I guess...

25. Damon and Alaric are SO obvious, it really annoys me.

26. Lol, Elena is like ... Stefan didn’t pick up his phone or answered any of my messages or texts so obviously I am going to his house. Cute.

27. “And Damon being Damon nearly ruined everything” pretty much an exact description of Damon.

28. “Is that the only thing that makes me terrible?” Damon, you killed her nephew.

29. Elena was never really big on defending her relationships to other people but she was definitely more protective of her relationship with Stefan when Caroline attacks it this episode than she was of her relationship to Damon when Caroline attacks that. 4x08 doesn’t count because she was Sired.

30. Damon is fucking ridiculous, it isn’t a full moon, he tried to kill Mason by stabbing him and it didn’t work and he just stands there? You’re not going to try any other methods? No, you’ll wait to rip his heart out then taunt Katherine with it and get Jenna stabbed. Jackass.

31. I don’t go hard for Katherine as a lot of you may know but that line is still fucking great, “I will kill everyone she loves WHILE she watches and then I will kill her while YOU watch” like that’s fucked up.

32. Paul’s expression when Katherine breaks free of the chains is actually kind of amazing and the way he’s like “why, why” like he’s just SO confused. “I told you! I missed you Stefan!” legit crazy ex-girlfriend.

33. Seriously love how Stefan and Elena like have to hug right after they experience something traumatic.

34. I’m sorry but Katherine just isn’t threatening. At last when Isobel came into town, to prove her point she had Matt’s arm nearly crushed.

35. Why is Tyler only obsessed with how the curse is triggered and not the fact that his uncle actually turns into a wolf? And like what’s it like to be a wolf and how long he was a wolf and why they call it a CURSE?

36. YO. I was so scared when this episode aired and the break up scene happened, I was like OMG NOOOOOOO.

37. And then he was in her room and they were all fucking cute and I was like OK YOU SCARED ME.

38. That moan when they kiss tho.

39. I remember my best friend and I watching this in our uni library and when Katherine kisses Dead Stefan’s lips she turned to me and was like SEE? SHE CARES! She was so excited and I was like ... she’s trying to get in between SE right now so idgaf. And she rolled her eyes. I remember that SO clearly.

40. It is a sweet scene with nice music tho.

Thanks for reading!

[thelegendofclarke]

And We Marry Our Cousins

Hey everyone! This is a general description and break down of the Consanguinity Table as requested by @thatgirlnevershutsup on this salty post of mine about the difference between incest vs. consanguinity. 

A couple **Notes & Disclaimers** before I get started:

I am not attempting to argue against or in favor of either incest or consanguinity, nor am I particularly interested in having those arguments (aka any nasty messages about me being an ~apologist~ or whatever are getting cursed, deleted, and blocked idgaf).

When I use the words “incest” and “consanguinity,” I am using the strictly legal and scientific/biological definitions. I am aware there are other applications of the words in other fields, but those are the ones I am using here. 

When I use the generalizations “legally” or “the law” I am talking about American law (i.e. the law that applies in the U.S.) unless otherwise specified. Also, American law is predominately what is discussed until near the end of the post. 

I am going to do my best to keep this as objective and purely informational as I can. However, anyone who has followed me for more than 5 minutes knows that I have a lot of Thoughts and Feelings, so there is a good chance that won’t happen. 

While this is focused on discussing consanguineous relationships, incest will be mentioned! So if you don’t want to read about it, don’t read this post. 

Cool? Cool. Good talk, lets do this!

Consanguinity

Consanguinity is defined as “a blood relationship or the relation of people who descend from the same ancestor.” There are 2 general types of consanguinity:

Lineal consanguinity: the relation in a direct line—such as between parent, child, and grandparent. It may be determined either upward (as in the case of son, father, grandfather) or downward (as in son, grandson, great-grandson.)

Collateral consanguinity: a more remote relationship describing people who are related by a common ancestor but do not descend from each other—such as cousins who have the same grandparents.

Consanguinity is measured in degrees (also called degrees of kinship) which are determined by the Consanguinity Table:

Here is the break down of the “cousin” terminology used in the Table for anyone who needs it or is interested (x):

FIRST COUSINS: Non-siblings that share grandparents

SECOND COUSINS: Non-siblings that share great-grandparents

THIRD COUSINS: Non-siblings that share great-great-grandparents

FIRST COUSINS ONCE REMOVED: Two people for whom the first cousin relationship is one generation removed

FIRST COUSINS TWICE REMOVED: Two people for whom the second cousin relationship is two generations removed

Degrees of Consanguinity

When someone says “Degree of Consanguinity” (I am going to call them DOCs from now on because I don’t want to keep tying that out), they can mean one of two things:

the relative DOCs found on the Consanguinity Table

the exact DOC between 2 individuals measured by the Knot System

The relative DOCs of each relationship are the small numbers on the upper left hand corner of every box on the Consanguinity Table. 

The very exact numerical notation that defines consanguinity is called the Knot System. The Knot System can scientifically calculate any blood relationship between two individuals down the exact decimal point, independent of the relationship’s complexity and generation depth. It is hella complicated and uses a really specific mathematic formula, and relationship coefficients, and inbreeding coefficients, and biological markers, and the genealogical Sequential System, and lots of big words to calculate something called a KinCode. Then from the KinCode element, the Knot System derives all these ~properties~ like the KinCode’s gender (even numbers are called male, odds are called female), and the type of relationship between different KinCode elements (for e.g pure male for two even KinCodes and pure female for two odd KinCodes ), and the distance in number of generations between KinCodes. And THEN all the KinCodes of the related individuals are placed into a Kin group, which is THEN sorted numerically into something called a Kin register sequence. It gives me a migraine and I don’t even pretend to understand like 98% of it. 

So honestly, for what is discussed here, we really only need to talk about the relative DOCs found on the Table. The only important thing about the Knot System is this: The LOWER the relative DOC is between two people, the HIGHER their exact DOC is. 

The Table & Relative DOCs

The process for numbering the consanguinity table is basically this:

1) Start with the individual to whose relationships are being calculated, usually referred to as the “proband” or “origin”. That is the box labeled “Person” on the table. 

2) Add that person’s upward lineal (beginning with "Parents”) and downward lineal (beginning with "Children”) blood relationships and then label them numerically beginning with #1. 

3) For each upward lineal relationship (beginning with “Parents”) included, then complete that individual’s downward lineal relationship line, but with two notable differences:

Continue to label the kinship degrees numerically, but instead of starting with #1, continue on from whatever number that row begins with. 

Add the downward lineal relationships in the same order as with the proband (children, grand children, great-grand children, ect.), but label them according to their relationship with the proband, not with their relationship to who ever is at the top of the row. (For e.g. the parent’s children are the proband’s “Brothers and Sisters”, the parent’s grand children are the proband’s “Nieces and Nephews”, the parent’s great-grandchildren are the proband’s “Grand Nieces and Nephews”, and ect. ect. I’m sure you get the picture.)

Consanguinity vs. Incest

Basically, DOCs are pretty much like degrees of separation; the lower the DOC, the the closer you are to the person in question. As a working definition, unions contracted between persons biologically related as second cousins or closer are categorized as consanguineous.

Incest is a type of consanguineous relationship. It refers to relationships between people whose relative DOCs are so low (and exact DOCs are so high) that they have been determined to be prohibited by law. This is based on the average amount of DNA shared between relatives (x). The lower the relative DOC, the more DNA the individuals have in common: 

Incest is universally defined as those relationships that fall within the second DOC on the Consanguinity Table. These individuals are the proband’s: parents, grandparents, siblings (including half siblings), children, and grand children. There is not a high enough degree of biological separation between them and they share too much DNA.

Where it gets confusing...

Where it gets confusing is the law. The law makes everything confusing, trust me I’m a lawyer. 

For whatever reason, the laws in some states/jurisdictions prohibit consanguineous marital and sexual relationships that are not incestuous and/or lump them in with their incest laws, therefore (mis)labeling them as “incest” . The most commonly prohibited, non incest relationships are:

relationships between an uncle and a niece or between an aunt and a nephew (usually called “avunculate relationships”)

relationships between first cousins

The reasons for why these types of sexual and marital consanguineous relationships are prohibited by law in some American states vary. But honestly, i am comfortable making the general statement that most of the laws were passed based on genetic concerns such as the potential increased risks for things like birth defects, congenital defects, fetal abnormalities, and hereditary diseases. There is a lot of debate over whether there are valid justifications for the prohibitive laws or whether the scientific research they are based on is valid and blah blah blah. 

Avunculate Relationships 

Avunculate relationships are the ones most typically prohibited in the U.S. The laws in most states have been interpreted to presume that an avunculate marriage is illegal and therefore void. There have been some exceptions made in states such as NY and RI, where avunculate marriage was allowed under specific circumstances. The laws regarding sexual avunculate relationships are equally ambiguous. 

In other countries and societies however, avunculate marriage is legal and even common. Avunculate marriage is currently permitted by law without restriction in Argentina, Australia, Austria, Brazil, France, Finland, Malaysia, The Netherlands, and Russia.

(First) Cousin Marriage 

The laws governing cousin marriage are far more divided. In fact, today its almost a 50-50 split with first cousin marriage being held as legal in 26 states (including the District of Columbia). Here is the break down:

First cousins may not marry in AR, DE, IA, ID, KS, KY, LA, MI, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SD, TX, WA and WV

First cousins may marry without restriction in AL, AK, CA, CO, CT, DE, DC, FL, GE, HI, MD, MA, NJ, NM, NY, NC, RI, SC, TN, VT, and VA. 

First cousins may marry with some restrictions in AZ, IL, IN, ME, UT, WI and NC. The restrictions are usually based, either directly or indirectly, on reproductive concerns. (For e.g., AZ- allowed only if at least one is unable to reproduce; IL- allowed only if both are over 50 or one is infertile; ME- allowed with proof of completion of counseling on genetic risks from a certified Genetic Counsellor)

The U.S. is basically one of the only countries with modern first cousin marriage restrictions. Virtually no European country completely prohibits marriage between first cousins. It is also legal throughout Canada and Mexico to marry your cousin. In many cultures (particularly in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa) preferred marriages are between relatives such as first cousins. In fact, in some parts of the world, 20% to 60% of all marriages are between close biological relatives. Additionally, not a single verse in the Torah, Bible or Quran — books revered by over three billion followers world wide of the three Abrahamic religions — prohibits cousin marriage, which were common in Jewish, Christian and Islamic history.

Ok I know I promised to try not too get too ~opiniony~ here, but I guess my main point is this...

Incest and Consanguinity are not synonymous and should not be treated as such. 

Like I talked about above, the U.S. takes a very different approach than basically the entire rest of the world in terms of prohibiting certain types of non-incestuous, consanguineous relationships. And also, in a lot of states in the U.S. non-incestuous, consanguineous relationships are completely and totally legal and currently practiced. 

All human cultures have norms that exclude certain close relatives from those considered suitable or permissible sexual or marriage partners. However, different norms exist among cultures as to which blood relations are permissible as sexual partners and which are not. But still, even though laws and norms vary internationally between countries and cultures, the word “incest” is still universally known and considered as bad. 

It’s ignorant, and honestly kind of a dick move, to arbitrarily throw around terms like “incest” that have very real, very serious, and often times very insulting and offensive negative connotations attached. 

So just like, don’t be an asshole, ya know? 

[lady-of-the-spirit]

if anyone knows of one or more Hobbit fics that focus mainly on a)Bagginshield and b)Uncle Bilbo with Fili and Kili (regular age or children idgaf)

please tell me

i have a mighty need to read about Bilbo and his nephews and Fili and Kili with their hobbit uncle