#To Páthos Máthos

[distancealliance]

It's Time for a Sunday Double DK Day! Send Yourself; To Páthos Máthos! Gifted From DK.

...And Later, Explore something... distant...

And Not a Moment too Late! It's Time to Explore the Deep Distant Galaxy!!

Doubly Gifted From DK!

[outism-odyssey]

Outis Base EGO Sin Analysis

Right, I made this blog specifically to analyze her sins... and promptly forgot to do that!

For the meanings of each sin, I’ll be largely referring to this post from @lu-is-not-ok​ (its a very good post, do check it out!)

I originally meant to do her base ID and EGO in the same post, but, the EGO alone goes on for a while. (I’ll probably write up the base ID tomorrow)

Sin Costs

To Páthos Máthos costs 2 pride and 2 sloth, and translates to "Suffering Becomes Experience". Pride generally represents ignoring consequences. Act now, deal with the problems later. And almost always, pride-related actions ate taken out of the belief the benefits will outweigh the consequences. Sloth, on the other hand, represents apathy and resignation. It has many uses, but a particular use I think resonates with this ego is to do things without ever complaining or acting out.

Together, these sins would suggest that Outis believes what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That she should press on, stoic and ignoring the pain, believing in the end she'll come out better for it. But, I don't think she actually believes that. Rather, it's what she *wants* to believe.

Early in canto 4, Outis tells the other sinners that "experiencing a certain pain will make you learn to fear and avoid it." And she says this in a very different tone of voice to the rest of her speech. It certainly doesn't sound like the words or tone of someone who thinks pain makes them stronger.

Her EGO's line is "the odyssey has a purpose." And in the context of her speech in canto 4? It sounds to me like she's trying to convince herself. She's trying to tell herself that there's meaning to her suffering, and that she hasn't just gone through all this for no reason. Telling herself that her odyssey did have a purpose.

Sin Resistances

There’s a few theories around about what exactly sin resistances on a sinner’s EGO means (like this one from analytical-machine!), but for this analysis I’ll be sticking to my own interpretation of it.

In the abnormality EGOs, I don’t believe resistances mean much of anything.it’s just the abnormality’s resistances, and it’s always identical across all sinners with the same EGO. But, the base EGOs are more interesting.

For a sinner’s base EGO, I believe the sins they’re fatal to are in some way connected to the origins of their traumas, while the sin they endure is how they’re trying to escape it - either literally or metaphorically.

For instance, Gregor has fatal for gloom and envy damage - respectively representing his PTSD and feelings towards G corp, and Hermann using him as a test subject and poster boy. On the other hand, he endures sloth. Gregor escaped the room he was locked into when, out of resignation, he cut the apple and was allowed to leave - resignation being heavily associated with sloth.

The resistances for To Páthos Máthos are: Fatal: lust, envy Endured: gloom

The combination of lust and envy was odd. Lust is associated with self-indulgence, following your own whims and goals. But Envy is associated with taking action because of someone else. They seem like complete opposites. I kind of didn’t know what to do about them. But, @speedynamo​ had some great insight in some comments, and I’ll paraphrase those below.

For Outis’ envy weakness: In The Odyssey, Odysseus ended up in the trojan war because he was bound by a truce to support the Greeks if Helen were ever to be kidnapped. When Paris of Troy asked Aphrodite for the most beautiful woman on earth for marriage, Aphrodite gave him Helen - thus kicking off the war and dragging in Odysseus.

And for the lust: War's often promoted as something that will make you complete. And because of that, many people think the best way to achieve your desires is to go out, fight in war, and come back as a war hero.

Speedynamo mentioned that their analysis hinged on there being a very close equivalent to the Trojan war. And there certainly is: the smoke war! While the specifics probably aren’t identical, there is a good chance that Outis’ experience was similar. Something was stolen (likely Old L Corp’s singularity?), and a deal/truce involving it dragged Outis into the war, where she believed she could complete herself by becoming a war hero.

It probably didn’t work out that way, though. So, how does Outis deal with it? With her resisting gloom... it seems like she doesn’t handle it. Gloom as a sin is all about stewing in your negative emotions, buckling under pressure, letting those emotions control you. And while we never see her express this directly, there are a few rare moments where she seems to show this side of herself - like when she tells Dongrang the calf will remember him, or in her sunshower EGO’s corrosion line (which is a topic for another time)

But, with her mask(s) on constantly, it’s not often that you see this side to her.

[literallys-illiteracy]

(re: magic bullet outis, bc i forgot to include) there's also the themes of despair (see also: bloodbath e.g.o. gift), of continuing to survive by sacrificing others bc it's all you know how to do anymore, and the "travel[ing] to many worlds (...) in one world [being] known as a righteous hunter, and another as a bloodstained gunman" paralleling both the wanderings of odysseus and his historically divisive interpretations –particularly ulysses, who also appears in the inferno. also, odysseus was already famously skilled with the bow, hence the shooting trial.

there's also some conjecture to be had abt the devil in der freischütz's backstory, 'to páthos máthos' being a quote from agamemnon, and how the marksman – in the opera at least – was coerced into making the deal with the devil to avoid harm coming to his loved ones (agathe dying of despair, telemachus being run over by a plow), but i digress.

First Post

i do want to note how the story of the Freischutz in PM fame specifically notes the fact that they shot their loved ones willingly to attempt to "beat" the devil, which seems to be the direct opposite of the opera's story; I want to note that, as German was the only class i ever fell asleep in, my German is very bad, and ive not found an english copy of the Opera in my, admittedly limited, searching.

It seems that the Freischutz of PM is less inspired by the opera, though you would certainly know better than I, but rather the character which inspired it of German folklore. This inspiration of the folktale is reinforced by the Freischutz's appearance and tale from LC and LoR, as, noted by Weber (the author of the opera):

"the Devil may turn the bullet on [The Freischutz], [...], the preface to his reappearance from his mysteriously opened coffin as a ghost, forever hunting"

[asocialmoth]

I think a lot of stuff I want to talk about Canto 4 has already been talked about, but one thing I don’t think I’ve seen touched on yet is this.

According to the subtitles of Outis’s promo, her personal E.G.O, To Páthos Máthos, is called Suffering Becomes Experience in English. Due to her cold and pragmatic nature, I would have assumed that meant she’d be all for the "suffering makes you stronger" philosophy, but instead she’s displaying that it’s actually the opposite.

Why does she think this? Is there something she’s afraid of? Is she hiding from something? A cyclops that forces her to use a pseudonym in every universe perhaps?

Another thing is that sometimes in Limbus Company, whenever a certain phrase or something is mentioned some Sinner who wasn’t already part of the conversation will join in with a "…", Outis herself did this in the car pagoda when the other Sinners were talking about family reunions. In this case, It’s Meursault who goes ellipses out of nowhere. Meursault are YOU running from something too???

Last thing I’d like to mention is that the "dying a lot affects your attitude" thing was also met with a different perspective later with the K Corp Staff, where they become completely indifferent to the injuries of their colleagues and their own.

[limbus-polls]

**FAVORITE means whatever you want it to. Meta, lore, design, personal bias, anything.

[patchoulism]

You’ve probably noticed that I favour Ishmael the most out of all Sinners, but the coolest looking base E.G.O for me is To Páthos Máthos.

[actuallynemesiswwe]

OC Profile

BASICS FULL NAME: Xenia Alanis Verga Drakos RING NAME: Nemesis NICKNAMES: close friends call her Nia, everyone else calls her Drakos if they don't know her or Xenia if they kinda do. On-screen she's called such things as 'The Diva of the Downfall' or 'The Olympus Offensive' by the commentators. She thinks those are pretty ostentatious, but blames it on her gimmick. AGE: 27 (born 13/10/1989, on a Friday, no less.) HOMETOWN/BILLED FROM: Portland, Oregon/Athens, Greece. ETHNICITY: Greek-American

PHYSICAL APPEARANCE ONE || TWO || THREE EYES: Golden brown HAIR: Wavy, reaches her mid-back. Naturally chocolate brown, but she's taken to dying it medium blonde. HEIGHT: 5'6'' WEIGHT: 125 lbs. SKIN: Fair olive, tans easily, a few small birthmarks here and there. BUILD: Athletic, light hourglass-shape, no dramatic curves. DISTINGUISHING FEATURES PIERCINGS: Ears; earlobes x 3 right + 2 and cartilage on left. (Not visible:)Inner upper lip; small smiley ring (with a frowning smiley face, 'cause that's sarcasm, y'know. ;) TATTOOS: Free from fear. ''πάθος μάθος'' ('páthos máthos'' - suffering is learning) on her ribs below her heart/left breast. She's planning to have the insides of both of her wrists done, as well as something below her right collarbone. PERSONALITY In-ring: Heel. Her persona is a slightly maniacal bitch whose only reason for doing what she's doing is “because I can”. She's a little sadistic, and doesn't necessarily just want to go for the gold, she also wants to get inside people's heads and slightly psyche them out to do so. Her strategy is mostly about never letting her opponents know exactly where she is at, mentally, and always wanting to surprise with new maneuvers. So, she’s a hard worker, she wants to be known for her ability, after all. Outside of the ring, she's a straight-forward person with the kind of attitude that “if you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you,” and that's all she really cares about. She hates drama, and dislikes having to analyze every single thing a person says. She prefers saying exactly what she means, and take the consequences, no matter which way it goes. She's not used to caring for people, but she's not cold-hearted, she just pretends to be. If she feels close enough to another person, she will open up, even though it's hard for her to do. Her past relationships have been messy and unsuccessful, and she has a hard time trusting people on a deep, emotional level. It's not that she doesn't want to, she just has not found anyone that's made her feel like she's entirely worthy of love, whether it be platonic or not. She's loyal until something breaks. Meaning she'll cut someone out of her life if she feels she's meaningless to them, or if she's scared they will emotionally hurt her. It's not that she despises everyone, she's just very reserved and skeptical. She can be fun. She's a special kind of fun, where it's not always easy to tell whether she's joking or not, and she has a bit of a twisted sense of humor. Not to the point where it will disgust anyone, just far enough that it makes her a little quirky. RANDOM STUFF - Born and raised in Portland, OR. - Speaks Greek fluently, and is proud of her heritage. - Her mother is a former actress. Her father is a theater producer. - Her family, while they do love each other, has never been very close. Her parents always worked, and never really took the time to spend with her. - She is closer to her father than her mother, always has been. It was her older brother (by two years) Dimitris (Dee Dee) who got her into wrestling when they were kids, and when they got older they started training together. He wrestles on the indie circuit. She keeps in touch with all her siblings, but is closest with Dee Dee. - She got her degree in criminal psychology while still in FCW. Just because. - She doesn't date, as a rule, but she has had a couple of romances. She might or might not talk about them. HABITS: If she swears or expresses herself in terms of endearment, she tends to do it in Greek. This goes for strong feelings, on either side of the spectrum. Her pre-match ritual includes drawing the letter 'alpha' on the inside of her right wrist (she doesn't know why she hasn't just tattooed it there already...) as a way of motivating herself, with it meaning 'the first' or 'number one'. Then she writes the latin numeral XIII on her left wrist, because despite her superstitious ways, she does not believe 13 means bad luck. WWE RELATED Was trained in ROH and later FCW (2008-2011) NXT (2011-2013) Official debut as a surprise entrant in the Divas' Royal Rumble 2013 Championship Scramble (yeah, I'm making stuff up, here.) She did not win, of course, but she made a splash as a rookie Diva with her aggressive, ruthless, slightly reckless style. Even though she’s been around for a while now, she still conciders herself to be a rookie, and even though her persona suggests otherwise, she respects almost everyone in the business. Went up to Raw later on in 2013 mainly as a singles competitor, but has been known to team up with those she deemed in need of it. She tends to side with the underdogs, but not exclusively. She chooses her alliances wisely, and mainly for her own gain. Went on hiatus from mid-2015 and returned in January 2017. THEME SONG Justice And Mercy by Flyleaf RING ATTIRE Nemesis FINISHERS Tough Luck – Swinging Neckbreaker The Verdict – Tilt-a-whirl headscissors into armbar Sirenia – Reverse Lou Thesz press WWE HISTORY Jerk Of The Month, March 2013 Championships; ROH Tag Team Champion w/Seth Rollins (in 2009, when they were known as Jade Cross and Tyler Black, respectively.) FCW Women's Champion (2010-11) NXT Diva's Champion (2012)