#The Return of the King……
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“I didn’t catch anything,” Bran said, “but Jon gave me his fish on the way back to Winterfell. Will we ever see Jon again?”
“We saw Uncle Benjen when the king came to visit,” Robb pointed out. “Jon will visit too, you’ll see.”
- Bran V, AGOT
There’s something so strange about this exchange because it’s preceded by Robb and Bran grieving Jory and then all of a sudden we get a random callback to Jon Snow. it’s only two lines of dialogue but I think it does quite a bit of work in terms of establishing who Jon is as a character, and also gives us a few hints of what we might expect to happen in coming books.
They’re talking about going fishing with Jory once upon a time and Bran mentions that when he didn’t catch anything, Jon gave him his fish. This, in and of itself, isn’t very surprising and it doesn’t tell us anything new about Jon’s character. That’s because he’s been established as a selfless and kind person from the very first chapter. Jon being self-sacrificial, then, isn’t something that is new to the reader at this point. But this short exchange does show us the extent to Jon’s sacrifice. He isn’t someone who takes half measures. Rather, he’s someone who goes all in.
And it’s so fascinating because Jon giving away all his fish may seem like a typical ‘big brother looking out’ moment, but I can’t help but notice the extent to which Jon looked out for Bran. Because he could’ve given him a just few fish and it would’ve been quite lovely; we would still say that he is kind and compassionate big brother. He could’ve given Bran half his fish and we’d praise him for such a great display of kindness. But Jon gave Bran everything he had. He didn’t take any half measures; he went all in. And Bran doesn’t mention Jon only giving him some, so I’m assuming that this means all.
This is something we see in an earlier Tyrion chapter, where he and Jon are parting at the Wall.
“Rickon will ask when I’m coming home. Try to explain where I’ve gone, if you can. Tell him he can have all my things while I’m away, he’ll like that.”
- Tyrion III, AGOT
Jon once again assumes the role of the big brother looking out for his younger sibling, but it’s quite stark (pun intended) how far he goes to make sure that Rickon is happy and well-provisioned. He doesn’t say “tell Rickon to pick and choose what he wants”. He doesn’t name a specific thing that Rickon might want. No. Jon means to have his brother take everything.
The depth of Jon’s kindness is quite remarkable. Yes I know, it’s not the most revolutionary thing to have the fantasy protagonist be good to people. But it’s still quite nice to see him being so kind in a series half-full of actors motivated by purely selfish reasons. It’s especially important because this flashback comes after Bran gets news of Jory’s murder - a selfish, unkind, and senseless act; it’s just pure malice. There aren’t many people in this world who would give everything they have, especially when they don’t have to. Jon had no reason to give Bran all his fish, but he did anyway. He didn’t have to give Rickon all his things, but he did it anyway. It’s the extent to which he goes about being good to people that’s impressive. And we see this develop where he starts extending that to the dozens, hundreds, and thousands.
And I would be negligent if I didn’t mention the obvious messianic framing here. We’ve got a sacrificial lord (mayhaps we might even say a prophesied sacrificial savior), a little boy, and a couple of fish. And we also have mentions of giving away all your possessions to attain true righteousness in scripture, as Jon did with Rickon.
But what I find most curious is Robb’s line. Because it reads like a promise of some sorts. Robb makes the observation that Uncle Benjen visited them when King Robert went to Winterfell, and he is using that as proof to say that Jon will visit too. It’s interesting because Jon mentions hearing his uncle talking to his father about settling people in the Gift. Plus Jon and Benjen have a pretty good relationship so he must’ve travelled there earlier. Thus, I’d assume that King Robert’s feast wasn’t the first time that Benjen went to Winterfell in Robb’s lifetime. So it just makes the connection of Jon’s arrival coinciding with that of a king all the more noteworthy. Except, Jon might be the king who visits this time around.
Robb’s line evokes the imagery of the Return of the King. And also if we go back to scripture, there’s the return of the lord/king, after a great sacrifice. So:
Bran mentions Jon’s sacrifice and then Robb promises that he will return
The savior sacrifices himself then returns in glory (scripture)
Therefore, Jon shall return to Winterfell as a glorious king after a sacrifice
It’s part of why I think we as a fandom need to be a bit more flexible when we talk about Jon’s relationship with sacrifice. I always see people say that because Jon is self-sacrificial, then he is the one who needs to/must die after sacrificing himself for the realm/other POVs. Nevermind the obvious bias in this line of thinking, which is usually in favor of other characters, but I think such opinions only got half the picture. They don’t follow the pattern that has been presented to us by the text. Yes, it’s true that Jon makes some big sacrifices. And it’s true that they’re sometimes preceded by a period of temptation. HOWEVER, these sacrifices are usually followed by something more spectacular (obviously, in my humble opinion). For example:
When they find the direwolf pups, Jon sacrifices himself so his siblings can get a pup each. However, he immediately finds Ghost afterwards who is the most special of all the dire wolves (and even becomes the largest)
He sacrifices his want for Wintefell in ASOS, but is elected Lord Commander of the NW by book’s end. So the sacrifice is followed by a great appointment to power (rather quickly, I might add). And being Lord Commander puts him in a special position in the upcoming war for the dawn.
So the quote at the beginning of this post, imo, just illustrates that pattern. A sacrifice is followed by something grand. Bran mentions Jon’s sacrifice and then Robb connects his coming to a king’s return. The question remains though: if this is something that will happen in the future, how will it happen and when? I don’t really know tbh, but it would be quite a nice bookend to have Jon’s glorious return be towards the end of ADOS so that it can parallel King Robert Baratheon’s arrival in the beginning of AGOT (which preempted Jon’s departure in the first place).
#jon snow#bran stark#asoiaf#valyrianscrolls#jon the king#welp#I’m on my J=J agenda again#And also my king Jon agenda#I mean…it’s really hard not to#It’s right there!!!#The Return of the King……#It has to be deliberate right?!#GRRM had a catholic upbringing but I don’t really know the extent to which he incorporated that into asoiaf#BUT ANYWAY#I’ve been meaning to write at length about Jon’s relationship with sacrifice#And how his greatest acts of sacrifice (usually after a period of temptation)#Are followed by the emergence of greater things that elevate and set him apart#But I’m LAZY AF and I haven’t done it up to now#So this short meta will have to do for now hehehe#I think this short exchange between Robb and Bran is kinda emblematic of that pattern though#Maybe I’ll actually get to writing something more detailed once I finish my reread…le sigh#my stuff
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J.R.R. Tolkien, from The Return of the King
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What's your take on Odysseus's trauma and recovery back in Ithaca?
*looks at all the comics I made*
Lol but really, I realistically expect it to be severely rocky. He’ll have good days, mostly bad days, but what keeps him grounded is of course his family, you know?
But imagine losing your entire fleet under your command...
...only to come back to an entire population of thousands of people, expecting that you will lead them.
What if he fails again?
#it's scary to go back believing that the loss was equivalent (even worse) than your win#Odysseus probably couldn't even function well as a king early in his return (and this time the other politicians weren't as forgiving)#thankfully his son is there#which is another comic for another day :P#Odysseus#Penelope#Telemachus#Epic the Ithaca saga#EPIC the musical#EPIC#The Odyssey#InSomniphic's Art#InSomniphic's Asks
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Legolas saying ‘this city needs more trees’ is actually so valid. Not only from an environmental and social well-being point of view, but Gondor has one very important tree with very few fellows and therefore restricted access to nutrients, so the extended mycorrhizal network more trees would provide actively enhances the welfare of the white tree and symbolically the spirit of the nation. In this essay I will
Edit: I wrote the essay
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🗡That will depend on the manner of your return 🏹
#faramir#lotr#faramir of gondor#return of the king#lord of the rings#jrr tolkien#Tromroan#my art#fan art
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And no more despair.
REST IN PEACE BERNARD HILL (1944–2024)
#part of an unfinished gifset#just felt right to post it now#bernard hill#theoden#tolkienedit#lotredit#lotr#lord of the rings#the return of the king#tolkien#tolkiensource#mine#thcrin#usersansa#userfrodosam#usermali#userjulia#userhaleths#userpayton#userhugh#usergiles#usermelanie#userrlaura#useremu#uservintage#tuserhan#usertreena#userbuckleys
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REST IN PEACE, BERNARD HILL (1944–2024) THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING (2003)
#bernard hill#theoden#lotr#lord of the rings#lotredit#tolkienedit#filmedit#fantasyedit#tuserhan#usersansa#userhaleths#tusererika#userelio#userhella#southfarthing#thcrin#*mine#the lord of the rings#the return of the king#théoden#i'm beyond devastated
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Bernard Hill
1944 - 2024
#rest in peace#i am crying so much rn#bernard hill#lotr#lord of the rings#the lord of the rings#lotr gifs#king theoden#theoden#théoden#eowyn#éowyn#lotr edit#lotr gif#rotk#return of the king
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“The ring is mine”
I had this idea for so longgg. It’s based of the Fallen Angel painting.
#my art#lord of the rings#fanart#lotr fanart#the hobbit#art#frodo baggins#lotr frodo#frodo fanart#the return of the king
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lotr behind the scenes
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#the lord of the rings#the lord of the rings memes#lotr#lotr memes#the fellowship of the ring#the two towers#the return of the king#aragorn#frodo baggins#sam gamgee#merry and pippin#gandalf#legolas#gimli#boromir#mordor#barad dur#mt doom#sauron#orcs#ring wraiths#one ring to rule them all#gollum#smeagol#lord of the rings#lotr meme#lord of the rings memes#lotr post#lord of the rings post#meme
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Holiday Classics
Been thinking about Ford watching the 70s Animated Lord of the Rings Movies... (companion comic to this post!)
#the other two VHS tapes Fidd's is holding are Rankin-Bass' The Hobbit (1977) and Return of the King (1980)! The 70s animated pseudo-trilogy!#A lot of people pointed out on my other lotr 'crossover' post that Ford would have seen the 70s movies!#And i wont lie i entirely forgot they existed. But now i remember i have so many feelings on it okay. Ford my silly LOTR nerd#I dont think he would have seen Bashkis in theaters. far as I can tell it was a VERY limited (likely mostly CA) run in the middle of winter#but Rankin-Bass'? Aired on NBC & ABC. He absolutely woulda watched them or rented a VHS later. Which is why he's most excited by Bashki's#He's just such a nerd. I need him to nerd out. But also lowkey angst on how his single focus on bill/the portal lead#him to neglecting even the small things in life. Like knowing a VHS release of an adaptation of his favourite book series had come out#GF fanart#Gravity Falls#gravity falls comic#Fan art#fanart#fiddleford mcgucket#fiddleford hadron mcgucket#young fiddleford mcgucket#*holds two random VHS tapes in one hand to check Fidd's pose in the 2nd panel makes sense* Well thats mathamatically feasible!#young stanford pines#stanford pines#ford pines#Book of Bill#comic#artists on tumblr#my art#Grunkle ford#fiddauthor#cause Fidds is not talking about the movie there. Well okay he's talking about the portal but He COULD BE TALKING ABOUT- *I am dragged off*
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the last thing you see before you die
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rewatched aragorn’s coronation scene and i just realized you can see elrond’s heart breaking as she goes to join aragorn
like, that is the face of a man who was promised eternity with his daughter, a reunion in the west no matter what happened, only to lose her forever to love
#i’m sobbing i’m so normal about elrond and arwen#elves live forever and they see each other again one day even if they die#but she’s never going to see her mother again#he sails west like a few years later and then he’s never going to see her again#and he’ll have to explain why to her mother#lotr#lord of the rings#arwen#elrond#tolkien#jrr tolkien#peter jackson#lotr movies#return of the king
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I just want to help my friends.
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Gandalf: If the beacons of Gondor are lit, Rohan must be ready for war! Théoden: Tell me. Why should we ride to the aid of those who did not come to ours? What do we owe Gondor?
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) dir. Peter Jackson
#filmedit#tolkienedit#lotredit#lotr#userarmchair#lotrlorien#the return of the king#lord of the rings#gives me chills every time#film#mine
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