#The OP was cropped out of the screenshot and since the original post has been deleted. And at the time there was 0 notes on it

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saw a bad take gaming take in one of the tags on here comparing 2 games, that I had to stop myself from replying to. It was just so over confidently wrong, even when the person admitted they hadn't actually played the games they were talking about????

its since been deleted, but not before someone in the fandom that was being dissed saw it screenshot it and then posted it to twitter where its now becoming a copy pasta due to the way it was worded 😭😬

[sanderssideswriting]

So I decided to take a quick snoop on twitter, with what's been going on the last day or so. And I and horrified to report that Twitter is somewhat aware of our existence. And this post in particular is pissing me off, so let's break it down.

So, the screenshot that op on twitter posted, it's hard to see because of the cropping but if you squint you can see that the anon says; "Maybe Thomas will understand that when he gives zero communication with fans, then they simply stop being fans?!"

Pretty straight forward, it's standard stuff that's discussed here. Thomas's lack of communication and how long it's been since the last proper sanders side episode. And it's a gripe a lot of us have with the series, it's taking a long time, there's little communication and it's frustrating.

and the OP on twitter says "disrespectfully shut the fuck up. Thomas is one of the few content creators using his platform to help Palestine, and you want to boycott HIM because you don't have your season finale yet? Put this energy where it matters. This shit is pissing me off."

Glad we can agree on something op. But that's where out similarities end it seems.

Because why did you take the original post of "if there's little to no communication (and long wait times) between episodes then people will move on to other things where that isn't an issue." to bringing up Thomas's fantastic advocacy and fund raising for Palestinians. If you reread the post again, it specifies to boycott the finale, not Thomas himself, not the work he's doing to help Palestine. Just the finale. The second screenshot though it's harder to read is someone saying that they think people shouldn't buy merch until the finale is released.

As far as I'm aware no one has ever criticized Thomas for supporting Palestine and trying to fundraise. At least not the on #ts crit #ts critisism #ts critical or #thomas sanders all of which I follow and look at religiously. And if there are those people out there they're wrong, obviously. But that's not what we, in this little corner of Tumblr discus.

I've seen other people here get death threats for criticizing Thomas. This isn't a big space, there are only a few people who make regular contributions to the tags no to mention we share them with people who criticize Taylor Swift.

There can and should be a place for people to critisize and air their grievances in peace. Especially since, as Thomas once said himself:

None of this stuff is being seen by Thomas directly, we're not on twitter, if Thomas does have a tumblr he's not getting tagged. I at the least never use the main sanders sides tags.

[badaziraphaletakes]

I don't understand why you and your followers can't write "I read a take that said this" instead of posting the actual screenshot, which triggers a witch hunt for the OP to send hate for that specific shot you posted. If you post the takes with the handles attached, hate will be sent even more easily to the OP. If you read the OP's name and then choose at your discretion what to post... how do you manage it? Do you decide how many times the same person can be the target? What are the criteria?

I read under another post that people are happy to be blocked by so called Aziraphale haters. But, if someone wants to be blocked and never see their takes again, why do they specifically go after the “haters” to send screenshots to you and hate to the OP? Why don't you block them and instead wait for them to block you? I ask this with sincere curiosity. I assume that you are in good faith and don't want the fandom to be reduced to a small group of people. I don't write meta or analysis, so I'm not worried about being the target of anything. But a user I’ve been followed since season 2 who posted a lot of interesting metas (a bunch of them supporting Aziraphale and talking about his trauma) deactivated their blog for receiving a lot of hate after simply saying that maybe (not even definitely) Aziraphale screwed up in the end. It seems to me that the tones are a bit overheated. And posting the screenshots, even if you are in good faith, helps to keep the discourse going, in my opinion. I don't know, you have to do what you think is best, of course.

I don't understand why you and your followers can't write "I read a take that said this" instead of posting the actual screenshot

I have written about this in previous posts. LSS people are too scared to reply to the original takes, and it is reassuring to people who felt hurt by the takes to see the specific takes that are triggering to them get called out. I get a message to that effect, thanking me, at least once a day.

If you post the takes with the handles attached, hate will be sent even more easily to the OP.

We have never done that, we have never considered doing that, we never suggested doing that, and we are never going to do that. They will ALWAYS be anonymous.

If you read the OP's name and then choose at your discretion what to post... how do you manage it? Do you decide how many times the same person can be the target? What are the criteria?

About 80% of the takes that are submitted to us are submitted with the handles cropped out. We're instituting a policy for at least awhile of having the handles included when they are submitted to us so we can avoid it sharing too many posts by any one person (still a super weird coincidence that that ever happened - though I think it's relevant to point out here that by far the most obvious explanation for how that happened is that, since that person apparently has a ton of followers - so the reason so many people submit their takes to us is BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE THEM! - Occam's Razor). But we will always crop out the handles before posting. I (Mod X) have even cropped out non-default background colors to help with that. We take this seriously.

When the names are included I make a point of not posting too many by one person. I actually have thrown out a ton of that person's takes when people have submitted them to us with the handle attached, because I wanted to keep things in balance. And I have SIGNIFICANTLY toned down the commentary attached to many of the bad takes people have submitted to me.

I read under another post that people are happy to be blocked by so called Aziraphale haters. But, if someone wants to be blocked and never see their takes again, why do they specifically go after the “haters” to send screenshots to you and hate to the OP? Why don't you block them and instead wait for them to block you?

This is exactly how it unfolded, as it happens. The person who, it transpires, we posted a lot of takes from (but NOT the majority of the takes we've posted - it turns out that, as far as we can tell, we posted more from them than any other one individual, but we are certain that the majority of the takes we posted were still from other people) blocked the blog about ten minutes after it was created - because they said "depression doesn't exist" and we replied with a link to an article on MayoClinic saying that depression *does* exist (it's another term for Major Depressive Disorder. But I digress). Seriously, THAT was what they blocked us for. They didn't even reply.

And we have NEVER encouraged people to harass OP's. Omitting handles was supposed to prevent that. It should have prevented that.

[sssn-neptune-vasilias]

I know you said you've blocked Kob but p sure he read your post anyway and is saying that you all brought this [the toxicity vs differing opinions] on yourselves because you guys were toxic as well. Thoughts?

Tl;Dr: Typical Kob bullshit. Shift the blame and introduce whattaboutism so that no one can ever call him out on his bullshit. Frustrating that people still don’t see how transparent these tactics are. I don’t wanna spend too much of my blog discussing Kob because he frustrates me but I also think it’s important to protect people voicing their opinions and that obviously involves condemning the asshole.

Gonna preface by admitting that RWDE hasn’t been an entirely non-toxic environment. There’ve been its fair share of death threats, creator intimidation, etc. same as any fandom! I think it might’ve been a bit more visible because RT used to really care about its audience back in the day and any toxic hatred and vitriol was really jarring to them and us as fans. This was back before they got bought by AT&T and were still just a “small” company. RWDE has never been a toxic free zone, but no fandom ever has been. The reason the RWDE tag was made was to specifically isolate critical, toxic, shitpost, or angry posts away from people who didn’t wanna see that kind of content. A lot of blogs are critical of the shows they watch- why wouldn’t they be- while a lot of people don’t like seeing any kind of criticism! What do we do? The FNDM created the RWDE tag JUST so that people can STILL follow blogs like mine and hundreds of others and blacklist the RWDE tag if they so desired. It was an accommodation for people. Have people tagged death threats with RWDE? Absolutely. Have people been super toxic and then tagged their toxicity with RWDE? Sure fucking thing. Is any of this okay? NO! All of those individual bloggers who did things like that should be punished! RWDE or not, that’s not okay! Sending death threats to Miles and Kerry and the crew isn’t okay! No one should be doing it in or out of the RWDE tag. The thing is, there’s no RWDE police that go around sniping people for being toxic in RWDE- that doesn’t exist on tumblr. This isn’t Discord. We can’t ban people, or stop them from using a tag.

Now, I wasn’t around when Kob was first starting out. I think I first learned about him after he’d already been around for a few months, and was already making a name for himself doing the kinds of things he’s known to do. I have no idea if someone told him to kill himself once and he’s been on a downward spiral ever since. I don’t know who fired the first shot, and honestly, considering the fact that his original blog got deleted, I don’t think we’ll ever find out. The issue is that even if Kob was reacting in self defense, he then went on to harass dozens- if not hundreds of people- who had nothing to do with it. He’s accused EVERY RWDE blogger of suicide baiting him- something most rwde bloggers obviously have not. He’s been entirely unable to distinguish between individual people, and has just been aiming 100% of his vitriol at ANYONE who uses the RWDE tag, be it people who HAVE told him to go jump off a bridge vs people who he’s literally had zero interaction with. Kob is 100% in control of his own actions, and chooses to attack people for no reason other than he’s bored and wants attention.

Have I seen people tell Kob to drink bleach? Yup. Have I seen people tell Kob to kill himself? Absolutely. Have I seen people tell Kob they hope he dies in a fire? Mhmm. What’s in common between all these events? They were always after multiple replies in a thread where Kob was super gross and incendiary towards the OP and they got tired of dealing with his shit. Does that mean NO ONE has ever told him to go fuck himself out of the blue? Nah, I’m sure a lot of people have. But the pattern remains that Kob starts the fire and then cries to the FNDM at large whenever he gets burned. “GUYS LOOK! THIS RWDER TOLD ME TO GO JUMP OFF A BRIDGE! RWDE IS TERRIBLE!” “Yeah but... you literally called them a terrorist for not liking the show???” Should people be telling others to kill themselves? Probably not. Out of context it’s always a bad look and it’s real easy to take anything you say out of context over the internet when screenshots can be cropped, messages can be altered, etc. Am I surprised that Kob pissed off so many people that MULTIPLE people told him to go kill himself? Nah, and tbh, he kinda deserves it imho. You can’t keep attacking everyone around you and expect the world to have unlimited amounts of patience to deal with your tantrums. Eventually someone’s gonna tell you to piss on the third rail.

I can’t tell you whether Kob made his tumblr day 1 and decided to act like this, or if someone did something that triggered him into it, but honestly, it doesn’t matter. Kob is an adult who’s responsible for his own actions, and these are the kinds of actions he’s responsible for:

I don’t know what Kob’s relationship with @/kaedeichinose was before this. Idk if she told Kob to kill himself, I don’t know if she personally walked into Kob’s house and fucked both of his parents in front of him, I don’t know if she burnt Kob’s pancakes or straight up has never had a single interaction with him in her life. All I know is that Kob knew she’d blocked him, and this is how he responded to her. “Not my fault you willingly excluded yourself from the conversation. I never agreed to stop talking to you and I never have. Ain’t my problem.” This in and of itself should’ve gotten Kob banned from Tumblr and ostracized from any and every fandom circle on the internet. This is entirely unacceptable behavior. It literally doesn’t matter what Kaedichinose did to him- if she did anything at all. Acknowledging the fact that you went behind tumblr’s block system to continue to harass someone who explicitly told you to leave them alone, and affirming that you will continue to do so, is egregious behavior. This in and of itself disqualifies him from any sympathy or leniency. He’s already admitted that he is committing himself to continue harassing her. This is one person. He’s done this to dozens of people, myself included. He did this to me in August and I’ve had him blocked for years.

Kob can say whatever he wants about RWDE being toxic. There are some toxic parts of RWDE, this isn’t debatable. There are some parts of RWDE even I hate looking at. Wanna know how I deal with them? I block and blacklist the OP. Then I never have to see their opinions. Ever. Instead of taking the civil, smart route, Kob takes the route where he purposefully harasses dozens to hundreds of people. He can’t keep blaming ALL OF RWDE- anyone who’s EVER used the RWDE tag to say “I don’t like Crescent Rose’s design” to in depth Jaune analysis and why they don’t like his character- for the actions of the specific people who’ve done what he’s claiming to do. He can’t keep attacking RWDE for this. He can’t say “oh I haven’t done this in a really long time so it doesn’t cound anymore” when I have evidence of him doing it seven months ago. Sure, some members of RWDE are toxic. That doesn’t excuse KOB HIMSELF from being toxic towards people who’d NEVER DONE the things he was angry about. That doesn’t excuse him block evading and harassing people.

Kob can shift the blame and say “well those guys did this” all he wants. Kob’s actions speak for themselves. Anyone who can look through all those links I posted in my last thread and not see a problem with his behavior probably shouldn’t be on this website either tbh