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orphicnatural · 4 years ago

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Rating Exorcisms and Spells on Supernatural as if I am Grading Them on Their Latin

Basically, this is just a review of some Latin incantations on the show.

Disclaimer: Latin is a hard language. I’ve been studying it for 6 years and I am by no means an expert, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. That being said I do have a background in Latin and Linguistics so I do have a good idea of how the language works. I’ll include the Latin, my translation, and then my opinion on each incantation.

Here’s some general background information about the structure of Latin for any of those who are interested:

Latin typically is a Subject-Object-Verb language (as opposed to English which is a SVO language) but it does have free word order so the words can be rearranged into any order

Nouns and Adjectives decline in terms of case, number, and gender (aka each noun/adjective has 10* forms)

Verbs are conjugated with person, number, tense, and mood (aka each verb has 120+* forms)

word choice is important because of the relatively limited lexicon so many words hold several meanings that depend on context

1. Shortened Exorcism

"Exorcizamus te, omnis immundus spiritus, omnis satanica potestas, omnis incursio infernalis adversarii, omnis legio, omnis congregatio et secta diabolica, ergo draco maledicte, ut ecclesiam tuam secura, tibi facias libertate servire, te rogamus, audi nos!"

We exorcize you, all foul spirits, all satanic powers, all hellish enemy attacks, all legions, all congregations and devilish sects, therefore the evil serpent, in order to make you serve liberty in your secure church, we ask you, hear us!

The classic (shortened) exorcism that appears a few times throughout the show. Generally a good message for an exorcism it makes sense. Technically all of ‘omnis... diabolica’ should all be in the accusative case (not the nominative) to agree with te ‘you’, and the number (sg/pl) is inconsistent so a few points off. Good use of the vocative for draco maledicte, though! The purpose clause at the end of the exorcism is a little clunky, but they did use the proper ut + subjunctive structure. Extra point for being a legitimate exorcism but minus a point for being Medieval Latin bc I’m a hater.

6/10

2. Rowena’s Curses in 10x16

Torture and a violent death, torturing

Now this first one just doesn’t quite make sense: it is not a complete sentence so I am confused by the use of the participle at the end and it’s case. It does seem to be effective though, Olivette sure is getting tortured.

2/10

Your fate is a journey without end towards nothing.

I like this one! For some reason all captions/scripts write iter sine as one word not sure why? Only thing I would change is use nihil for ‘nothing’ instead of nullum (lit. ‘no things’). (Could also put est at the end of the sentence but that’s more of a style choice.) Not sure how this incantation turns someone into a hamster specifically but a solid curse nonetheless!

8/10

3. Belphegor’s Spell

Spirits of hell, souls having risen from the infernal pit i confine you within the boundaries

Solid translation for someone who is not familiar with the language. Since hell is singular, inferorum should instead be inferni. I would have either used an ablative absolute (which we don’t have in English) or a relative clause in the first part making it animi inferorum spirito [ex] abysso surrecti ‘sptirits of hell, having been risen from the pit…’ or animi infernorum cui spiritus abyssi surrecti ‘spirtis of hell whose souls have been raised from the pit’. Also I would use a different verb than defigo, maybe something more like coherceo/conpesco.

7/10

4. Dean Summoning Death

I call upon you now, Death. I enchant you in my power, now and forever.

Pretty baller summoning spell if you ask me. Personally, it added to the experience to know what exactly Dean was doing before the spell worked. Since this is a direct invocation of Death, Mortem should be in the vocative (Mors). Nice use of the idiomatic in aeternum for ‘forever’.

9.5/10

5. Sam’s Warding Spell

Bind together these powerful warding sigils. Renew them. Strengthen them. Save us all.

This actually reads like real Latin; Latin looooooves using pronouns (has, eas). It’s all in the imperative (mood used for commands): sounds good, very direct. Extra points for being the first correct classical pronunciation of the Latin <v> in the whole show (<v> makes a /w/ sound in Latin)! Excellent Job Samwitch! (apparently Jared took Latin in high school so good job buddy)

11/10

all screencaps from here and all captions and translations by me

special thanks to @casisalamp for making sure this all made sense :)

#supernatural should have hired me to compose all their latin #nevermind that was a literaly child when the show began #anyway i hope you guys like this #just a little meaning behind some of that [speaks latin]#early captions literally say that lol #pls reblog i worked hard on this #supernatural #supernatural meta #spn meta #spn #debeaux talks #this was so fun if enough people care i will do a part two!!!

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anendoandfriendo · 9 months ago

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// Below questions answered by Illumi Zoldyck & Shroomie \\

🌫️ - How many people are in your system

Hm...let me check, actually, it's been awhile since I've been front.

Oh. Oh.

[Member count

631 Members and 0 archived members]

I guess I should've known this would happen, but I didn't think we would be here this quick.

*Has not fronted since 2018-ish I believe*

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🌊 - What's everyone's favorite colors?

I won't even bother to answer this one. I am not querying for colors, the pronouns list was already enough woth what we did have available.

(Personal one, possibly pink and gold, something you might not expect of me. This isn't something I would generally think over very much.)

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☂️ - Most common fronters?

I see one of the Haileys is still up here quite often. It seems lately 🖤 and 💜 have been frontrunners as well. I think I've seen Shalltear Bloodfallen also fronting once in a blue moon and ❤️ would take that last place.

That doesn't mean others aren't communicating though, I think 🤍 took control of our cognition very very last night (like, 3AM late) if this information is correct, not that it did as much as we would have liked.

☔ - Collective pronouns?

They/Them, pl.

💦 - Everyone's pronouns?

....

One moment please while I compile a list. Not exhaustive as some headnates do not have pronouns listed in Simply Plural of those I cannot percieve at this time, nor is this listed per headmate (so some may be duolicates).

Note the mix-match sets where the happen:

They/Them/Their/Theirs/Themselves -> (pl.) -> is our collective

They/Them/Their/Theirs/Thimself -> (sing.) -> we use this both for folks who go by this set and for anonymity within our system when posting about others

She/Her/Her/Hers/Herself -> very rarely and assuming this will probably get your head ripped off

He/Him/His/His/Himself

That/That/That/Thats/Itself

Love/Love/????/Loves/Loveself -> I cannot currently ask the member who uses these for the word where the ???? is, nor can I extrapolate.

Xe/Xem/Xer/[Xers]/Xerself -> word in brackets is an extrapolation.

It/It/Its/Its/Itself

Fae/Faer/Faer/Faers/Faerself

Ai/Ai/Aipom/Aipoms/Aipomself -> yes like the pokemon

Elf/Elf/Elfs/Elfs/Elfself

Xie/Xem/Xeir/Xeirs/Xierself

Meow/Meow/Meows/Meows/Meowself

Nya/Nya/Nyan/Nyans/Nyanself

Fæ/Fær/Færs/Færself

Xi/???/Xir/??? -> ??? not the actual pronouns, all we know of this set is they're vaguely mix-matched

Sky/Sky/Skies/Skyself

Bro/Bro/Bros/Bros/Broself

Vay/Vague/Vagues/Vagues/Vagueself

Shi/Hir/Hir/Hirs/Hirself

Dae/Daer/Daers/Daerself

Red/Her/Red/Hers/Bloodself

Drop/Drop/Drops/Drops/Dropself

Black/Blacks -> this is how it's listed and someone will need to ask black about the rest of this set.

Fae/Faer/Faers/Faerself

He/Hem/Hyr/Hyrs/Hyrself

Shad/Shado/Shados/Shadoself

Ros/Rose/Rose/Roses/Roseself

Fox/Fox/Foxs/Foxself

Ne/Nem/Nyr/Nyrs/Nyrself

Ze/Zem/Zer/Zemself

Pop/Pop/Pops/Popself

She/Shem/Shir/Shirs/Shemself

Dev/Dev/Devi/Devis/Deviself

Mer/Mer/Mers/Merself

Ev/Evi/Evis/Eviself

Rawr/Rawr/Rawrs/Rawrself

One/One/Ones/Oneself

Dra/Drag/Dragos/Dragonself

Ca/Cat/Cats/Catself

Mistakes happen, clearly, but it pisses us off more when someone we know, unsolicited, tells us we misgendered a headmate because by the time you've told us the person speaking to you has probably gotten sixteen pings and a bat to the head (stud3ntof3th (3 = e), lila from walmart). -_-

We exaggerate about the baseball bat to the head but my point stands.

💧- Most common age group?

Late teens to late middle twenties, although that gets super weird in certain cases. We have headmate who fit two age groups for reasons that are not age regressing/age sliding.

While we are at it: please just call it agre around us and not age sliding; the (percieved) linguistic double standards with systems do annoy us quite a bit.

💨- Do you have any fictives?

Honey, you're talking to one right now.

❄️ - Are there any romantic relationships in your system?

Yes, but we're not exactly open about these mainly because there hasn't been a reason to talk about specific examples. In at least one case, it's for the sanity of the parties involved. I don't think we've even trusted our best friends with these.

It's nothing against them, it's us, so please don't worry if you fit the "best friends" category.

🌧️ - Does anyone have a favorite number?

I do not believe even the two folks, Raymond and Christina, who make up the "diplotic" part of the term "diplotic system" were aware there were so many things going into being a person.

☁️ - Are any of your alters neurodivergent?

Beyond the collective autism? I would say a few of us have PTSD the rest of us don't.

There's at least one or two of us who have to be dyslexic and we do not let them work at our job without supervision, because of how bad they would mess up our documentation.

We also have one Zoro fictive who is incredibly compliant to the common timeline when it comes to directions. Not as in directives but geography.

🌤️ - How many people are queer?

Yes we did change this to the dirty nasty q slur, and it's all of us.

I do not have a great way to explain this righr, but a close approximation to our beliefs are "even if someone is an alloamatocishet monogamous person they can still be queer if they're in a system because that could all be internal and they could be like, functionally a lesboromantic asexual as a fronter" so queer is easier, better, and more inclusive. That's what the Q stands for in the other acronym.

☀️- Do you have any non-human alters (including hybrids)?

We have so many inhuman headmates it isn't even funny. A lot of us are in fact either hybrids or humanoid though, so thanks for including those in this question.

🌈 - What are some common hobbies?

Probably just video games, listening to podcasts, and reading to be honest.

🌪️- What is the most liked food between everyone?

Sweet desserts. Don't ask us which ones because it could vary hetween headmates and we don't realise it but also, there's just a lot of desserts period.

🔥 - Current hyperfixations?

I wouldn't call it a hyperfixation currently but we've been playing Isekai: Slow Life the past few weeks.

We know the gameplay is stereotypical but it hits different and we like it better than the others in its genre for both reasons of being anime nerds but also *inserts transbodic/aldernic screeching/static noises here* — we hope this helps~

☄️- Do you guys have any collective interests?

There are so many of us here that any interest becomes a collective interest.

I'm fully joking here but I'm also fully serious the same way someone can be a bisexual lesbian, a traumagenicendogenic, an empty system, or heteroflexible, if that makes my answer make sense.

⚡- What is your headspace like? (If you have one)

There's a gap between our frontspace and backspace so I can try my hardest but there might not actually be much detail.

Frontspace: we interface with you and everyone else in the external world through here. Mostly white with some screens, and also a dark tan (apparently, this is a color) couch for some reason. The reason so much space exists isn't because we couldn't put something there but because the body is actually kind of heavy. So, in times of distress where we can't get the VocaPilots to function, we actually have to put on a mecha? suit? thing with a visor and control it that way. Silva, 🤍, and 🖤 seem to have an easier time with that and are considered "stronger" than the rest of us and Karma Akabane is a pretty close second.

Notable comment here, 🤍 and 🖤 are extremely recent arrivals and we wouldn't know why they're like this. It has not very much to do with their sourcing, although if you knew about them externally that'd be a fantastic guess. They caught onto most of our functions extremely fast,

Beyond frontspace: There's a few doors and hallways behind us in frontspace that which connect further into the innerworld. The closest areas to use from the left and direct back area are hallways and rooms within this mansion we all percieve the frontspace to be in. Further out than that is a garden for the mansion, the city a ways away from it, and there's also a school somewhere that has its own grounds and for whatever reason keeps being tormented in our dreams so — (*jots this down actually to look into*) — anyways, the only thing that's really a problem are the massive bugs that, again, seem to like to torment the school grounds mostly.

And beyond that there's stuff like the valley, The Glade, and beyond The Glade is...we don't know because we keep getting lopped back around to it. We've tried looking into any reasons why but we don't ever find anything so we've all just assumed it is what it is until we have a reason to assume there is any sort of coverup. Why should we justify ourselves to abusers like sysmedicalists and people who are naysayers to endogenics? 🤷🤷‍♀️🤷‍♂️

// Bemow questions answered by Hailey (Admin) \\

✨- Does anyone have a pet?

SKKSKSKSKSK

Let's pretend we were originally going to answer this normally, you know, the way a normal person would answer and mot how I personally wanted to answer that just for the sake of our collective, uh, sanity is the closest word here. We strongly dislike terms like "NPC" and "syspet" and "syskid" here because anyone that's spient is a headmate (the first two seem to imply nonsapienxe to us), and roles are not something most headmates have here, the sole exception literally still being Silva, because of the double standard those imply ("protector" is sometimes fine, but who the fuck calls a peraom in their friend group Caretaker or The Sexual Friend when it isn't a joke??? See what I mean???).

So like...to answer the actual question — it's actually EXTREMELY hard to have pets here because of what would need to happen to our innerworld and the people in it for that to happen. It's just not our material reality. Even factives of old outerworld pets find a new sort of sapience here that makes them not-pets anymore.

⭐ - Does your system have a name?

We've been going by Rusanya for ages now. It was a very hard-fought name and unless We've Given You Permission then it stays Rusanya. The few people who are allowed to shorten it to Rus or Ru-Ru know exactly who they are.

💫 - Does anyone wanna share something about their source? Feel free to ramble, anyone can answer too!

People act like the body is somehow mirror to what any "originals" should look like, if any exist at all. Our two originals (yes, we had two of them — that's being endogenic for you baybee!) looked nothing like the body at all, did you know people could be introjects of their outerworld body???

Anyways all faceclaims of mine have some modifications to them so we can't be pegged down essily.

// Questions below answered generally or collectively \\

🪐- Most chaotic group?

Uh. WDK we don't really do "groups" here the way most plural communities have absorbed it because we see double standards EVERYWHERE when it comes to society defining singlets versus plurals.

If what you mean by "groups" is "cliques the way society would normally use them so we can stop pathologizing systemhood now, thank you," we still can't quite answer that because there's So Many Of Us.

🌎- Any demon/angel/god alters?

Yes. No other comments needed we guess?

🌙- Who is the oldest?

Pfft. That gets really weird once we consider people who have chronoregressed and consider themselves transage or chronosian because of it, people who don't fit into the confines of age because they're mainly internal entities, etc. *Shoves this question a little to the side with a stick*

🌓- What type of system are you?

Endogenic.

🌗- (For traumagenic systems only) Okay, got it OP. So you're plurmisic and a sysmedicalist — endogenic systems can be diagnoses with CDDs too so go get hit by a car or something. Are you diagnosed? If yes, was getting one difficult? If not, do you want one & why or why not?

We have talked about this before and we wish OP a very Go Fuck Yourself, because this is exactly what we mean when we say you can be pro-endogenic and still be a sysmedicalist.

We're sick and tired if giving y'alls asses charitable readings on this shit so we WILL answer this and we are STILL endogenic, fucking cope.

🌕 - What is your system dynamic (ex, family, friends, complete strangers, etc)

Hhhhh what about "inner society" or "literally a village" is that okay enough? Not so much dynamics so much as a natural consequence of how we exist.

🌻- What's a normal day for you as a system?

Uhhh.

🌸- How do you keep track of your system? (Members, switches, etc)

We record people as soon as they have names (faceclaim is preferred but not necessary) as far as members go, but we don't really bother tracking switches very much if at all tbh.

We use a notion page as a backup to our simply plural + it's easier/better to track our microlabels for each member in there.

"Have you tried —" yes we have! Pronouns.cc only allows up to 500 member subprofiles on an account and only up to 500 flags. Pronouns.page is, apparently, made by a piece of shit. Pronouny/Pronlun Island or whatever is pronouns only and has no image capabilities to our awareness. Making our own website for neocities takes skills only some of us have a mild know-how for and certainly not enough to not have it look clunky, and certainly with how we keep growing we will hit a limit there too. Do yow even KNOW how many rentry pages we would need to have a cohesive anything? We promise we have tried very literally everything and Notion is the way to go for us, unless pronouns.cc removes their fucking subprofile and flag restrictions and does it forever for eternity.

People love large systems/plurals until it's not convenient anymore lmao.

🥀- Any childhood things that should've tipped you off to being a system?

We mean — there's quite a lot and that isn't even the tip of the iceberg, that's a satellite looking at the tip of the iceberg from space.

💐- Do you like being a system?

THAT'S LIKE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WHEN IT COMEA TO OUR PERSONALITIES???

To the point that until society explicitly acknowledges and accepts endogenics, we will actually fucking assume anyone who says otherwise about plurality has internalized sysmedicalism. Is that great? Not really. We also don't see another choice right now and have no other way of conceptualizing "there are whole other people inside of there — and you want to...kill them? Forcibly? Because they're an intrusion on your life?" and before someone @'s us that is literally something we have seen.

So, yes, unless we personally know you we take a "guilty until innocent" stance on internalized sysmedicalism. Sorry. We've been charitable too many times to afford it by now.

🐚- Do you know any systems IRL?

Does OP actually mean IRL or do they mean offline? Our inner world is still IRL. Online is still IRL. Neither of these are in a complete vacuum.

The answer is yes either way but OP sounds like they need to examine some biases.

🍄- Do you prefer in-system dating or out-of-system dating?

Hmmm.

Both is fine for dating, like, the romance stuff(tm) but we don't trust people to equate that to the other thing, which absolutely happens in-system but we almost certainly are not ready for out of system/externally.

Not for any bad reasons, just, we aren't ready for that and can't predict if we ever will be or not.

🍁- What's the most annoying thing about being a system?

‼️ Stop ‼️

Is this something that is ACTUALLY annoying about systems, or would the multi-generational family household of singlets see it as a non-issue/not handle it by blaming others if it is an issue and they are a functioning household?

If if it's the latter, congrats! You just have internalized plurmisia.

🎍- How bad is your amnesia?

Because OP has shown their ass and proven themselves to be a sysmedicalist (pfft, "traumagenic only" our ass) we have to ask you: do you ACTUALLY mean amnesia or is this yet another double standard put on systems?

Does one of our syskids really, genuinely need to know who their dad fucked last night????? Does our current fronter actually need to know what we ate for breakfast if we aren't monitoring that for medical reasons?????

🌿- Best quote from an alter?

We don't really have a "best" quote but sometimes we hear cute shit in the background and transcribe it, like this:

🌳- Do alters have separate accounts for games or do you all share an account?

Same deal as pronouns.cc, but on Tumblr some headmates have private sideblogs so?????

🌫️- How many people are in your system

🌊- What's everyone's favorite colors?

☂️- Most common fronters?

☔- Collective pronouns?

💦- Everyone's pronouns?

💧- Most common age group?

💨- Do you have any fictives?

❄️- Are there any romantic relationships in your system?

🌧️- Does anyone have a favorite number?

☁️- Are any of your alters neurodivergent?

🌤️- How many people are LGBTQIA+

☀️- Do you have any non-human alters (including hybrids)?

🌈- What are some common hobbies?

🌪️- What is the most liked food between everyone?

🔥- Current hyperfixations?