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tim: Kys
ives: kys
hudson: Tough crowd!
kevin: I hate this
hudson: But ur Sayuki?
kevin: Is it because I'm black
hudson: SAYUKI???
kevin: I totally read that wrong lmao
tim: Black rep has really improved over the years
ives: did it rly bc black rep is following richard around naked
tim: Literally my brother's name this is so gross
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TO CATCH ANYONE UP that doesn't wanna read the fucking novel of yesterdays post (sorry) a break down of what happened last night
They met at 10pm, McCarthy looking smug and assuming he had the votes
Nomination speeches as per usual, McCarthy's BESTIE (apparently) McHenry came up and nominated him. Tried to be a jokey dude but the jokes almost all fell flat, haha. Dems sent up Aguilar for the 9th time, basically insinuated the Repubs. can't lead cause of the infighting. No Far Rights came up.
with all Representatives present he needs 218
Round 14 of voting, only votes that went to not Jeffries or McCarthy were
Biggs - voting for Jordan
Boebert - Voted Present (lowering the needed votes for McCarthy)
Crane - Voting for Biggs
Gaetz - Did not vote when called first round. Did vote Present on second call (with two Presents the count needed lowers by 1)
Good - Voted for Jordan
Rosendale - Voted for Biggs
SO with the two present votes the threshold for winning is 217. BUT with the 4 holdouts that still voted for others McCarthy only has 216.
While tallying of the votes occurs, all hell breaks loose. Republicans have realized they still wont win.
You CAN change your vote, if you voted in error, while they are tallying and before they announce the official results.
THIS MEANS a group of Republicans DESCEND on Gaetz and Boebert to desperately try to convince them to switch to voting for McCarthy. McCarthy himself goes up to talk to them. Gaetz does some aggressive pointing and McCarthy walks away. Alabama Rep, Mike Rogers, who is most likely CRANKY and TIRED and feels like they've been yanked around by a small group of people, goes to, I'M HOPING, lean in and yell at Gaetz and possibly Boebert. North Carolina Rep, Richard Hudson, may have misinterpreted, may have actually thought violence was incoming, and GRABBED ROGERS and COVERED HIS MOUTH (hopefully by fucking accident??) No injuries have been reported and no one technically came to blows, but it is TECHNICALLY a physical altercation, news goes WILD about it.
Tallying ends, McCArthy loses. McHenry (McCarthy Bestie) Moves to adjourn. Shouts seem inconclusive, they gotta button vote.
Button vote is going as expected and then suddenly McCarthy, Gaetz and a few other Republicans run down to change their votes w cards. Suddenly the WAIT NO DOn'T LEAVES win.
Nomination again, blissfully short from Republicans. Normal from Dems w a cheeky remark to just flip sides and vote for Jeffries. No Far Right nominations.
Round 15, 218 to win, here we go. Of the problem voters
Biggs - Flips to Present (lower win number)
Boebert - Present (2 Presents, number lower by 1)
Crane - Flips to present and immediately flees the room
Gaetz - Present (2 Presents, number lower by 1)
Good - Flips to Present
Rosendale - Did not vote when called, clear that McCarthy won before he was called a second time, Flipped to Present (2 Presents, number lower by 1)
Winning number would be 215 but McCarthy got 216 so it doesn't matter.
ofc celebrating from Repubs. Tallying finishes, it's official.
There were ceremonial speeches. Jeffries was fine, did get this huge dig section where he compared what the dems were to the repubs. Very sassy, highly recommend watching that part.
Gavel is handed over to McCarthy
LONG ASS SPEECH ensues. Acts like it doesn't matter what happens just that you won. But like nah brah, this was crazy and bad. Goes into far right conspiracy theory talking points. Basically promising to just be obstructionists and time wasters to look good to their constituents. Then goes into a buck wild analogy fever dream about paintings in the capitol???? Pretends he's gonna be bi-partisan. Thanks his family. Ends the speech.
He is sworn in, he FINALLY SWEARS ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES IN AFTER 4 DAYS. They do basic shit and like electing clerks and workers and etc etc.
They can't make bills until the Rules of the House are agreed to. But it was also 1 AM their time. McCarthy tells them to adjourn till monday and the night finally ends.
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TAKEAWAYS
McCarthy won by promising wild things that will make his speakership shitty for himself
Republicans have some serious infighting issues that may effect how they make laws and run the country
This was an absolute embarrassment and don't let McCarthy pretend otherwise
The final Present voters looked absolutely MISERABLE when doing so
If they can get together to send things they want into action, it's gonna be a shitty time, so be prepared (ie investigations and spending bills)
This may weaken peoples belief in Republicans and effect voting, but it's TWO YEARS before anyone can vote again so don't hold out hope
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Thursday’s RNC Speakers list
Speakers list, via HuffPost:
5:30-6PM
Sen. Steve Daines (MT)
Rep. Richard Hudson (NC), Chair of National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC)
6-6:30PM
Diane Hendricks, everyday American
Diane Evans, everyday American
Linda McMahon, former Administrator of Small Business Administration
Mike Pompeo, former Secretary of State
6:30-7PM
Pastor Lorenzo Sewell
John Nieporte, everyday American
Steve & Zach Witkoff
7-7:30PM
Alina Habba, President Donald J. Trump's attorney
Tucker Carlson, founder of Tucker Carlson Network
7:30-8PM
Carrie Ruiz, everyday American
Hulk Hogan, professional entertainer and wrestler
Annette Albright, everyday American
8-9PM
Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association
Eric Trump
Dana White, CEO of Ultimate Fighting Championship
9-10:30PM
President Donald J. Trump
The RNC has released its speakers list for Night 4. 2024 GOP Presidential nominee and 34x Convicted Felon Donald Trump will speak tonight. Trump survived an assassination attempt this past Saturday.
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Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.) pulls Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Ala) back from Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla).
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My media this week (5-11 Feb 2023)
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📚 STUFF I READ 📚
😊👂‍Murder at the Charity Ball (Miss Underhay Mystery #11) (Helena Dixon, author; Karen Cass, narrator) - another episode in this cotton candy cozy series
🥰Plastered (Zenaidamacrouras1) - 59K, stucky no powers AU; single dad bucky + architect Steve - charming; solid versions of the characters, very enjoyable
😊Half a Soul (Regency Faerie Tales #1) (Olivia Atwater, author; Rafe Beckley, narrator) - quite enjoyed this, liked the neurodivergent rep, very relieved at the lack of 'cure' ending - it did make me want to read/finish the Sorcery & Cecelia series by Patricia C. Wrede
😍Knife Skills (Hark_bananas) - 72K, post-WS recovery fic; reread, forever fave, absolute perfection
💖💖 +180K of shorter fic so shout out to these I really loved 💖💖
save a horse, ride an ex-jock (alligator_writes) - Stranger Things: Steddie, 9.8K - hilarious, almost-crackfic of a meet-cute at a country bar where electric bull riding shenanigans ensue. If you've seen that video, you get it
eat me alive (emryses) - Stranger Things: Steddie, 7.2K - baby's first rimming - eddie gets the full 'steve harrington treatment' - just delightfully filthy and also tender af
Auld Lang Syne (Annakovsky, drunktuesdays) - AEW: OC/Chuck Taylor, 36K - Family Man AU - do I watch wresting? I do not. Did I still get emotional while reading this? I very much did. shoutout to the great writing here!
shipling rivalries (ScarlettSwordMoon) - Batman: , 5.2K - HILARIOUS crackfic where all the batkids debate & present their cases for who Dick should be in a relationship with. Bruce regrets his entire life. Damian gets to say "That’s what Richard deserves: a strong warrior who can care and provide for him. I believe the correct terminology for it is a ‘daddy’."
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Scooby Doo, Where Are You! - s2, e5-6
Night Court - s1, e1-3
Harley Quinn - "A Very Problematic Valentine's Day Special" [s3, e11]
Hot Ones - Kate Hudson Stays Positive While Eating Spicy Wings
🎧 PODCASTS 🎧
It's Been a Minute - The love and longing of Luther Vandross; Plus Grammy nominee Samara Joy
ICYMI Plus - The Anal Bead Cheating Scandal That Rocked the Online Chess World
The Sporkful - A French Chef And Cincinnati: A Love Story
The Atlas Obscura Podcast - Marchand Dessalines
Shedunnit - A Detective's Farewell
⭐Off Menu - Ep 139: Nadiya Hussain
You Must Remember This - 1983: MTV Aesthetics, Flashdance and Risky Business (Erotic 80s Part 6)
The Atlas Obscura Podcast - The Rainmaker
Strange Customs - Andrew Seidel | The Lines
⭐Vibe Check - Happy Black History Month, Gahdamnit!
ICYMI Plus - How a 9-Year-Old Took Over TikTok
Into It - Rihanna Should Take Notes from These Super Bowl Halftime Shows
The Atlas Obscura Podcast - Creston Dinosaur
Song Exploder - MUNA "What I Want"
Off Menu - Ep 178: Fern Brady
Endless Thread - My Canadian Girlfriend
Ologies with Alie Ward - Scotohylology (DARK MATTER) with Flip Tanedo
The Atlas Obscura Podcast - The San Juan Island Pig War
It's Been a Minute - Hot and kinda bothered by 'Magic Mike'; plus Penn Badgley on bad boys
Our Opinions Are Correct - Encore Episode: Gender Essentialism
Digital Folklore - The Internet is The New Woods (Monsters, Ostension, & Moral Panics)
You're Dead To Me - Valentine’s Special: Georgian Courtship
⭐Hit Parade Plus - A Little Love and Some Tenderness Edition
🎶 MUSIC 🎶
The Essential Luther Vandross
Lizzo
Presenting Bad Bunny
Reggaeton Essentials
Folk Metal Forever
Old-School Reggaeton
Alestorm
CREDITS: Burt Bacharach
MUNA
Pop Tropical Bailable
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"GOP has lost focus, acting weird"; Fayette County News; 9-20-24
GOP has lost focus, acting weird “Big Government has become too big, too unaccountable, and too out-of-touch…House Republicans are working to fix this.We passed legislation to prevent unelected DC bureaucrats from implementing these unnecessary and costly regulations on your family.’- Rep. Richard Hudson (NC-R) It is not just Trump and Vance that are weird. House Speaker Johnson has been trying…
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GOP leaders beg Republicans to stop making racist comments about Kamala Harris
In a closed-door meeting this week, House Republican leaders told their colleagues to stop making racist comments about presumptive Vice President Kamala Harris, the first Black and South Asian woman to be a major party nominee. Earlier this week, two of them referred to the Democratic presidential nominee as a “DEI hire” and another implied that Democrats value Harris mostly because of her “ethnic background.” “DEI” — which refers to diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts — has become a racist and sexist right-wing dog whistle that implies that someone was hired for their social identities rather than their qualifications. In reality, Harris — who is of Jamaican and Indian descent — has much more governmental experience than the two men leading the Republican presidential ticket: former President Donald Trump and Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance, who has only served in Congress since 2022. Related Lesbian Sen. Tammy Baldwin opens for Kamala Harris’s first presidential campaign rally It’s a must-win state for the presidency, and Baldwin has already won statewide twice. In the closed-door Tuesday meeting, Rep. Richard Hudson (R-NC), who serves as Chair of the House GOP campaign arm, and other GOP House leaders reportedly warned fellow House members to stop all attacks on Harris’ racial identity. Your LGBTQ+ guide to Election 2024 Stay ahead of the 2024 Election with our newsletter that covers candidates, issues, and perspectives that matter. Subscribe to our Newsletter today Earlier this week, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) referred to Harris as the “DEI vice president,” Rep. Harriet Hageman (R-WY) referred to her as a “DEI hire,” and Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI) wondered whether Democrats had chosen her as their new presidential candidate, following President Joe Biden’s exit, because of Harris’ “ethnic background.” When asked about @KamalaHarris candidacy, @HagemanforWY calls @VP a "DEI hire." "Intellectually, just really kind of the bottom of the barrel…I think she was a DEI hire. And I think that that's what we're seeing, and I just don't think that they have anybody else." pic.twitter.com/Dj9y4pKHrj— Josh Rultenberg (@JoshRultNews) July 23, 2024 One House Republican who attended the meeting, but who spoke anonymously to Politico, said, “We have everything going our way and [our Republican House colleagues] just can’t handle that? We’ll give you a cheat sheet if you don’t know what else to talk about.” After the meeting, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) told the aforementioned publication, “This should not be about personalities. It should be about policy. And we have a record to compare This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the competence of the person running for president, the relative strength of the two candidates and what ideas they have on how to solve America’s problems. And I think in that comparison, we’ll win in a landslide.” Rep. Dusty Johnson (R-SD) echoed Johnson’s sentiments, saying, “[Republicans] should run this campaign based on the fact that [Harris] hasn’t done a very good job … [rather than] make allegations.” Other right-wing social media commenters have begun circulating racist claims that Kamala cannot legally run for president because she has immigrant parents or was “born in Canada.” Harris was actually born in Oakland, California, and was bestowed with U.S. citizenship upon birth, thanks to the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Despite Republicans’ claims that she was just a “DEI hire,” Harris has over 20 years of experience serving in government. She won her 2003 election to serve as the District Attorney of San Francisco, her 2010 election to become California’s Attorney General, her 2016 election to the U.S. Senate, and her 2020 election as vice president alongside President Joe Biden. Comparatively, Trump and Vance — the Republicans’ presidential and vice presidential nominee — have a combined six years of experience working in government. Moving on from racist attacks,… http://dlvr.it/TB4Jfd
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Tucker Carlson to Headline RNC in Milwaukee
Trump Family Members
Donald Trump Jr.
Eric Trump
Co-Chairman Lara Trump
Kimberly Guilfoyle
 Entertainers, Celebrities, & Industry Leaders
Matt Brooks, CEO of the Republican Jewish Coalition
Tucker Carlson, Television Host
Savannah Chrisley, TV Personality and Criminal Justice Reform Advocate
Franklin Graham, Renowned Faith Leader
Lee Greenwood, Country Music Star 
Alina Habba, Trump Campaign Senior Advisor
Diane Hendricks, Owner of ABC Supply 
Tom Homan, Former Acting ICE Director
Chris Janson, Country Music Star
Perry Johnson, Businessman 
Charlie Kirk, CEO of TPUSA
Sean O’Brien, President of TEAMSTERS 
Vivek Ramaswamy, Businessman  
Amber Rose, Rapper & Influencer
David Sacks, CEO of Yammer
Bob Unanue, CEO of Goya Foods 
Dana White, CEO of UFC
Steven and Zach Witkoff, Businessman
RNC Leadership
RNC Chairman Michael Whatley 
COA Chairwoman Anne Hathaway 
Host Committee Chairman Reince Priebus
GOP Officials & Candidates
U.S. Senator Katie Britt (R-AL) 
U.S. Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) 
U.S. Senator Rick Scott (R-FL) 
U.S. Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) 
U.S. Senator Eric Schmitt (R-MO) 
U.S. Senator Steve Daines (R-MT), NRSC Chairman 
U.S. Senator JD Vance (R-OH) 
U.S. Senator Tim Scott (R-SC) 
U.S. Senator Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) 
U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) 
U.S. Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Kari Lake (R-AZ) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Jim Banks (R-IN) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Mike Rogers (R-MI) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Tim Sheehy (R-MT) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Sam Brown (R- NV) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Bernie Moreno (R-OH) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Dave McCormick (R-PA) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Hung Cao (R-VA) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Eric Hovde (R-WI) 
U.S. Senate Candidate Gov. Jim Justice (WV) & Babydog
U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson (LA-4) 
U.S. House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (LA-1) 
U.S. House Majority Whip Tom Emmer (MN-6) 
U.S. Rep. Richard Hudson (NC-9), NRCC Chairman 
U.S. Rep. Elise Stefanik (NY-21), House GOP Conference Chair 
U.S. Rep. Matt Gaetz (FL-1) 
U.S. Rep. Michael Waltz (FL-6) 
U.S. Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (FL-13) 
U.S. Rep. Byron Donalds (FL-19) 
U.S. Rep. Brian Mast (FL-21) 
U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (GA-14) 
U.S. Rep. John James (MI-10) 
U.S. Rep. Jeff Van Drew (NJ-2) 
U.S. Rep. Nancy Mace (SC-1)
U.S. Rep. Ronny Jackson (TX-13) 
U.S. Rep. Monica De La Cruz (TX-15) 
U.S. Rep. Wesley Hunt (TX-38) 
Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders (R-AR) 
Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) 
Gov. Doug Burgum (R-ND) 
Gov. Kristi Noem (R-SD) 
Gov. Greg Abbott (R-TX) 
Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R-VA)
Attorney General Brenna Bird (R-IA)
Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson (R-NC)
Mayor Eric Johnson, Mayor of Dallas & Former Democrat 
Mayor Trent Conaway, Mayor East Palestine, Ohio 
Dr. Ben Carson, Former United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Kellyanne Conway, Former Counselor to President Donald J. Trump
Ric Grenell, Former Acting Director of National Intelligence 
Peter Navarro, Former Director of United States Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy
Mike Pompeo, Former U.S. Secretary of State 
Linda McMahon, Former U.S. Administrator of SBA  
Newt Gingrich, Former U.S House Speaker
Lee Zeldin, Former U.S. Rep. (NY-1)
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The biggest winners of Biden’s green climate policies? Republicans. | CNN
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Southern Baptists & in vitro fertilization
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Southern Baptists gathering June 11-12 for their annual meeting look to weigh in on a slew of hot-button topics like in vitro fertilization, abortion, the Israel-Hamas war and efforts to establish a state religion in the U.S.
Monday, those issues were highlighted in the preliminary drafts of resolutions that will be considered by Southern Baptist Convention delegates at the faith group's annual meeting in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Resolutions are seen as the denomination's way of expressing opinions or concerns about a variety of topics.
Viewpoints on abortion and women in ministry were shared by Southern Baptist delegates, called messengers through the faith group's 2023 resolutions.
WASHINGTON — Republican leaders are encouraging Congressional candidates not to shy away from discussing abortion and in vitro fertilization during the election this fall.
The guidance comes as Democrats prepare to hammer Republicans over reproductive rights in the first presidential election cycle since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.
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It also comes after a court ruling in Alabama threatened IVF in the state and showcased new ways the viewpoint that life begins at conception can complicate public policy and politics around family planning.
“We believe it's important for our members to engage on this issue and not stick their heads in the sand, which I think some potential candidates had done in the past,” said Rep. Elise Stefanik, chair of the House Republican Conference, at the group’s annual retreat in West Virginia this week.
Liquid nitrogen is used to keep robotic IVF and egg storage systems cold at the TMRW Life Sciences lab in Boulder, Colorado.
Democrats “are the radicals on this,” she said, arguing they want to repeal the law that bans the use of federal funds on abortion and that they support late-term abortion.
It reflects a common GOP approach to abortion messaging — polling shows that while more than 60% of Americans oppose abortion bans, only around 20% believe there shouldn’t be restrictions in the last trimester of pregnancy.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 98.9% of abortions took place before the 20th week of pregnancy.
And experts say no abortions take place “up to the moment of birth,” as Republicans often describe.
However, there is little consensus among Democrats as to whether there should be restrictions on abortion after viability.
Republican candidates encouraged to support access to IVF
Stefanik said the party has significantly boosted the number of female candidates running and those efforts have “strengthened our conference’s ability to communicate on these issues.”
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Stefanik and National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., have been encouraging members to clearly state their position that they support access to IVF.
The NRCC is also providing messaging support for candidates to learn how to best communicate to voters on the issue.
The Alabama state Supreme Court ruled last month that embryos used in IVF are children and are entitled to legal protections under the state’s wrongful death law.
The decision kicked off a nationwide frenzy among fertility patients and healthcare providers over the potential implications of similar decisions in a post-Roe political landscape.
Republicans came out forcefully in favor of IVF following the ruling.
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The National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee advised its candidates to actively broadcast their support.
But when asked to provide unanimous support for federal IVF protections, Republicans in the Senate said it should be left up to states to protect the procedure — a sentiment House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., echoed Thursday.
Recent polling indicates IVF is immensely popular with voters:
86% of people polled say IVF should be legal and 14% say it should be illegal, according to a CBS News and YouGov poll conducted two weeks ago.
Two-thirds of Americans support a federal law protecting abortion, including 86% of Democrats and 67% of independents, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Some 57% of Republicans oppose federal abortion protections.
A court ruled embryos are children. These Christian couples agree but still wrestle with IVF choices
When faced with infertility, Christians who believe life begins at or around conception must wrestle with weighty questions: How do you build a family in a way that conforms with your beliefs? Is IVF an ethical option, especially if it creates more embryos than a couple can use?
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The dilemma reflects the age-old friction between faith and science at the heart of the recent IVF controversies, such as in Alabama, where the state Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos have the legal status of children.
For many evangelicals and other Christians, IVF can be problematic, and some call for more regulation and education.
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The process is “inherently unnatural,” said Jason Thacker, a Christian ethicist who directs a research institute at the Southern Baptist Convention.
“I’m both pro-family and pro-life,” he said. “But just because we can do something, it doesn’t mean we should.”
Even among Christians who see embryos as treasured lives, religious experts say there’s a wide spectrum of complicated views on IVF.
Kelly Pelsor, a mother from Indianapolis who turned to a fertility specialist after trying to have children naturally, doesn’t want to see it threatened anywhere.
Speaking of her daughter conceived via IVF, she says: “I truly believe she’s a miracle from God (…) She would not be here without IVF.”
Southern Baptists are poised to ban churches with women pastors
From its towering white steeple and red-brick facade to its Sunday services filled with rousing gospel hymns and evangelistic sermons, First Baptist Church of Alexandria, Virginia, bears many of the classic hallmarks of a Southern Baptist church.
On a recent Sunday, its pastor for women and children, Kim Eskridge, urged members to invite friends and neighbors to an upcoming vacation Bible school — a perennial Baptist activity — to help “reach families in the community with the gospel.”
But because that pastor is a woman, First Baptist’s days in the Southern Baptist Convention may be numbered.
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At the SBC’s annual meeting June 11-12 in Indianapolis, representatives will vote on whether to amend the denomination’s constitution to essentially ban churches with any women pastors — and not just in the top job.
That measure received overwhelming approval in a preliminary vote last year.
Leaders of First Baptist — which has given millions to Southern Baptist causes and has been involved with the convention since its 19th century founding — are bracing for a possible expulsion.
“We are grieved at the direction the SBC has taken,” the church said in a statement.
And it’s not alone.
By some estimates, the proposed ban could affect hundreds of congregations and have a disproportionate impact on predominantly Black churches.
The vote is partly the culmination of events set in motion two years ago.
That’s when a Virginia pastor contacted SBC officials to contend that First Baptist and four nearby churches were “out of step” with denominational doctrine that says only men can be pastors.
The SBC Credentials Committee launched a formal inquiry in April.
Southern Baptists disagree on which ministry jobs this doctrine refers to.
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Some say it’s just the senior pastor, others that a pastor is anyone who preaches and exercises spiritual authority.
And in a Baptist tradition that prizes local church autonomy, critics say the convention shouldn’t enshrine a constitutional rule based on one interpretation of its non-binding doctrinal statement.
By some estimates, women are working in pastoral roles in hundreds of SBC-linked churches, a fraction of the nearly 47,000 across the denomination.
But critics say the amendment would amount to a further narrowing in numbers and mindset for the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, which has moved steadily rightward in recent decades.
They also wonder if the SBC has better things to do.
It has struggled to respond to sexual abuse cases in its churches.
A former professor at a Southern Baptist seminary in Texas was indicted in May on a charge of falsifying a record about alleged sexual abuse by a student in order to obstruct a federal investigation into sexual misconduct in the convention.
SBC membership has dipped below 13 million, nearly a half-century low.
Baptismal rates are in long-term decline.
The amendment, if passed, wouldn’t prompt an immediate purge.
But it could keep the denomination’s leaders busy for years, investigating and ousting churches.
Many predominantly Black churches have men as lead pastors but assign pastor titles to women in other areas, such as worship and children’s ministries.
“To disfellowship like-minded churches … based on a local-church governance decision dishonors the spirit of cooperation and the guiding tenets of our denomination,” wrote Pastor Gregory Perkins, president of the SBC’s National African American Fellowship, to denominational officials.
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The controversy complicates the already-choppy efforts by the mostly white denomination to diversify and overcome its legacy of slavery and segregation.
Amendment proponents say the convention needs to reinforce its doctrinal statement, the Baptist Faith and Message, which says the office of pastor is “limited to men as qualified by Scripture.”
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“If we won’t stand on this issue and be unapologetically biblical, then we won’t stand on anything,” said amendment proponent Mike Law, pastor of Arlington Baptist Church in Virginia.
Since Baptist churches are independent, the convention can’t tell them what to do or whom to appoint as a pastor.
But the convention can decide which churches are in and which are out.
And even without a formal amendment, its Executive Committee has begun telling churches with women pastors that they’re out.
That included one of its largest, Saddleback Church of California.
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When Saddleback and a small Kentucky church appealed to the annual meeting in 2023, delegates overwhelmingly refused to take them back.
The amendment would give such enforcement actions more teeth.
Some churches with women pastors quit on their own in the past year.
They range from Elevation Church, a North Carolina megachurch, to First Baptist of Richmond, Virginia, which had close SBC ties from the convention’s founding.
Law contended the issue has been a “canary in the coalmine” for liberal denominations, several of which began ordaining women and later LGBTQ+ people.
“Southern Baptists are facing a decisive moment,” he said in a video on a pro-amendment website. “Here’s the trajectory of doing nothing: Soon Southern Baptist churches will start openly supporting homosexual clergy, same-sex marriage and eventually transgenderism.”
Others point out that Pentecostal and other denominations have had women pastors for generations and remain theologically conservative.
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Some SBC churches with women pastors are heavily involved with the convention, while others have minimal connections and identify more closely with historically Black or other progressive denominations.
Also, some SBC churches interpret the 2000 faith statement as only applying to senior pastors.
As long as a the church leader is male, women can serve other pastoral roles, they say.
Such churches may leave if SBC leaders interfere with congregations following “their conscience, biblical convictions, and values by recognizing women can receive a pastoral gift from God in partnership with male leadership,” said Dwight McKissic, a pastor from Arlington, Texas, on the social media platform X.
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Other churches say women can be in any role, including senior pastor, and churches can agree to disagree if they embrace most of the SBC faith statement.
That category includes First Baptist of Alexandria.
Though its current senior pastor is male, it recognizes “God’s calling to ordain any qualified individual, male or female, for pastoral ministry,” the church said in a statement.
First Baptist leaders declined interview requests, but it has posted extensively about the issue on its website.
It said while it plans to send representatives to the SBC annual meeting, it was warned to expect a motion to deny them voting privileges.
“I do believe we need to be heard and represented,” Senior Pastor Robert Stephens told members in a video-recorded meeting.
The SBC’s top administrative body opposes the amendment. Investigating churches’ compliance would consume an unsustainable amount of time and energy over something that shouldn’t be a litmus test for fellowship, wrote Jeff Iorg, president of the SBC Executive Committee, in a Baptist Press commentary.
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Baptist Women in Ministry, which began within the SBC in the 1980s but now works in multiple Baptist denominations, has taken note.
The Rev. Meredith Stone, its executive director, said some women pastors within the SBC have reached out for support.
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The group plans to release a documentary, “Midwives of a Movement,” about 20th century trailblazers for women in Baptist ministry, on the eve of the SBC meeting.
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“As they are saying women have less value to God than men in the church, we want to make sure that women know they do have equal value and that there are no limits to how they follow Christ in the work of the church,” Stone said.
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Trump, Pence to speak to Southern Baptists
Former President Donald Trump and former Vice President Mike Pence will both address groups gathered in Indianapolis during the Southern Baptist Convention’s annual meeting next week.
Trump, who is seeking a second term, will virtually address attendees on Monday during a “Life and Liberty Forum” free event and luncheon presented by the conservative Danbury Institute,
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according to Baptist News Global and the organization’s website. Then on Tuesday, former Vice President Mike Pence, who has often spoken about his deep faith, will speak at a lunch event sponsored by the SBC’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.
Southern Baptists' convention to address women pastors, sexual abuse
Thousands will gather in Indianapolis June 11-12 for the annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention.
The meeting comes at a fraught time in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination.
Messengers — as voting delegates are known — will vote on whether to establish a constitutional ban on churches with women pastors.
They’ll hear a report — and get outside criticism — of their handling of sexual abuse among their clergy.
With membership in steady decline, they’ll hear a report on how an earlier effort to reverse that trend fell short.
And they’ll vote for a new president from among six candidates.
Speaking of presidential candidates, an outside group is inviting attendees to a virtual speech by former President Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, at an off-site event.
Proposed resolutions deal with topics ranging from Gaza to abortion and in vitro fertilization.
Here’s some of what’s facing the SBC:
What’s the latest with the sexual abuse crisis?
The convention has struggled to respond to sexual abuse in its churches since a 2019 report by the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News, saying that roughly 380 Southern Baptist church leaders and volunteers faced allegations of sexual misconduct in the previous two decades.
A subsequent consultant’s report said past leaders on the convention’s Executive Committee intimidated and mistreated survivors who sought help.
But survivors and advocates say the denomination’s actions don’t match its promises of reform.
An Abuse Reform Implementation Task Force recently concluded its work.
While it has provided a curriculum for training churches on preventing and responding to abuse, it has not achieved the mandate of previous annual meetings to establish a database of offenders, which could help churches avoid hiring them.
In a recent YouTube interview with a fellow pastor, the chairman of the SBC’s Executive Committee, Philip Robertson, sought to downplay reports that there was a “systemic problem” of abuse in the denomination, which he contended were “not true.”
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This has been a talking point for some outside critics of SBC efforts to respond to the crisis, now voiced by at least one person in SBC leadership.
Robertson also said insurers warned they wouldn’t cover the denomination if it had the database due to liability risks.
In response, the reform task force proposed having a separate nonprofit handle the list, but that has yet to materialize.
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“Robertson’s remarks provide a window onto what has always been true,” said Christa Brown, a longtime advocate for fellow survivors of abuse within Southern Baptist churches, in an email.
“SBC officials’ resistance to a database has always been about trying to minimize liability risks to the institution. … And SBC officials are trying to operate this multi-billion dollar organization without taking on the inherent responsibilities that go along with it.”
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In May, federal prosecutors charged Matt Queen, a former professor and administrator at an SBC-affiliated seminary in Texas with providing federal investigators with a false document.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York asserted this document, involving an alleged case of sexual abuse by a seminary student, was provided with the intent to impede their investigation into sexual abuse within the convention.
The Executive Committee says it was told the federal investigation into its own actions has been completed.
Why would the SBC ban churches with women pastors?
In 2000, Southern Baptists amended the Baptist Faith and Message, their statement of doctrine, to say the office of pastor is limited to men, citing Bible verses such as one forbidding “a woman to teach or to have authority over a man.”
This came amid a larger rightward push in the late 20th century SBC.
The doctrinal statement is nonbinding, and the denomination can’t tell its independent churches whom to call as pastor.
Some churches with women pastors left, while others stayed but kept a low profile.
Still others later appointed women pastors or allowed women to serve under male leaders in associate pastoral roles, citing biblical examples of women in ministry.
At this year’s meeting, messengers will vote on whether to give final approval to amending their constitution to ban churches — by deeming them not in “friendly cooperation” — with women pastors in lead or associate roles.
The denomination preliminarily approved the amendment last year.
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That’s when it also began expelling congregations with women pastors, such as Saddleback Church, a California megachurch, on the grounds that they don’t closely identify with the Baptist Faith and Message.
The amendment would codify an explicit ban on such churches, putting them in the same category as churches that “endorse homosexual behavior,” discriminate based on ethnicity or fail to address sexual abuse.
Why might this affect non-white churches more?
The National African American Fellowship, a caucus of predominantly Black congregations within the SBC, says an amendment barring churches with women pastors could disproportionately impact its members, many with women working in assistant pastor roles.
Chinese and Hispanic Baptist fellowship leaders also say their churches could be impacted because of language differences in how pastors are described.
Who are Southern Baptists, anyway?
The Southern Baptist Convention is the nation’s largest Protestant denomination.
Members are overwhelmingly evangelical and conservative both in religion and politics, the continuation of a rightward shift that began in the 1980s.
The denomination was founded in 1845 in defense of slavery in a schism with northern Baptists.
In 1995, the mostly white denomination formally repented of its support for slavery and other racism, and it made some strides to diversify racially.
It has lost some Black churches and pastors in recent years due to alleged racial insensitivity within its overwhelmingly white leadership.
How’s it doing?
Southern Baptist membership has steadily declined since 2006 and is now below 13 million, its lowest since 1976.
There are also long-term declines in baptisms — the prime metric of spiritual vitality.
Alarmed by such trends, Southern Baptists in 2010 approved a seven-point plan to reenergize evangelistic efforts.
A task force, evaluating how that went, reported this year that only two of the goals were met, and some were quickly forgotten.
The task force reported: “Regarding the simple question of whether or not the implementation (of the 2010 plan) reversed the decline of baptisms in the SBC, the answer is a clear and decisive, No.”
The report noted “a clear erosion of ‘trust, transparency and truth’ from within our convention which has ravaged our cooperative work.”
Who wants to lead the denomination?
Six men are being nominated to succeed Bart Barber, a folksy cattle farmer and small-church pastor, as president.
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The candidates include five pastors and a seminary dean.
As in recent years, the contest will be among candidates with varying degrees of conservativism.
Will there be politics?
Trump will speak virtually at a nearby event on Monday, the day before the annual meeting.
That program includes some Southern Baptist leaders.
It’s sponsored by an independent group but listed on the SBC calendar of events.
Former Vice President Mike Pence will speak Tuesday at a luncheon hosted by the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, but not in the main hall, as he did in 2018.
Messengers are expected to vote on resolutions supporting Israel and blaming Hamas amid the Gaza war; recommitting to the abolition of abortion; and urging parents diagnosed with infertility to carefully consider ethical options.
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Delegates boot out church that had woman as pastor
INDIANAPOLIS — Even as they prepare to vote on a formal ban on churches with women pastors, delegates to the Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting voted Tuesday to expel one such church from its ranks.
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Messengers, as voting representatives are known, voted 6,759 to 563 to oust First Baptist Church of Alexandria, a historic Virginia congregation that affirms women can serve in any pastoral role, including as senior pastor.
The Virginia congregation has been involved in the nation's largest Protestant denomination since its 19th century founding and has contributed millions toward denominational causes.
But it came under scrutiny after the pastor of a neighboring church reported it to denominational authorities over its having a woman as pastor for women and children.
The vote came after the denomination's credentials committee recommended earlier Tuesday that the denomination deem the church to be not in “friendly cooperation,” the formulation for expulsion, on the grounds that it conflicts with the Baptist Faith and Message.
That statement of Southern Baptist doctrine declares only men are qualified for the role of pastor.
Some interpret that only to apply to associate pastors as long as the senior pastor is male.
The Alexandria church is currently led by a man, Robert Stephens, but the church has made clear it believes women can serve as senior pastors, too.
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The decision was made before the delegates had a chance to consider enshrining a ban on churches with any women pastors in the convention's constitution.
Fort Worth pastors weigh in on Southern Baptist Convention’s vote on women
Pastor Anyra Cano said she received a call from God to do ministry when she was 13 years old.
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“I didn’t know what God was calling me to. I just knew God was calling me,” Cano said.
She remembers getting a clearer picture when she was around 18 years old and heard a woman preach in a Hispanic Baptist Church in El Paso for the first time.
Now, she and her husband have been pastors at Iglesia Bautista Victoria en Cristo in Fort Worth for 16 years.
Cano grew up Southern Baptist but doesn’t consider herself one anymore, she said.
She was one of thousands of faith leaders who signed a letter by Baptist Women in Ministry in opposition to an amendment being voted on this week at the 2024 Southern Baptist Convention in Indianapolis.
Southern Baptists across the country are expected to ban churches with women in leadership roles from one of the most influential faith groups in the county.
“We have moved along so much in the equality of women and gender, and so it’s pretty disheartening,” Cano said.
Virginia Pastor Mike Law told the Baptist Press, the official news service for the SBC, that the amendment is meant to provide clarity as to who can serve as a pastor within Southern Baptist Churches.
“At the end of the day, placing women in the pastoral office is fundamentally a rejection of biblical authority, and that’s why we want to encourage in the life of our convention, really a joyful submission to the sufficiency in the authority of the Bible,” Law told Baptist Press.
Fort Worth’s Broadway Baptist Church was formed in 1882 as a Southern Baptist Convention church but was kicked out of the SBC in 2009 for its inclusion of LGBTQ+ members and allowing women to serve in leadership roles within the church.
“This is a part of the rising tide of the patriarchy,” Ryon Price, senior pastor of the church, said of this week’s SBC vote. “And it is not separate from the broader political ramifications in the country.”
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Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth is one of six seminary schools operated by the Southern Baptist Convention and is one of the largest seminaries in the world.
The seminary “does not have a position on the proposal,” a school spokesperson said.
The amendment is expected to be considered during the meeting at 9 a.m. June 12, according to a spokesperson for the SBC. The
Southern Baptist Convention’s 2025 meeting is expected to take place in Dallas.
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What’s happening in Indianapolis
Over 10,000 local church representatives attending the 2024 Southern Baptist Convention in Indianapolis are poised to vote whether the group should add an amendment to its constitution stating that churches who want to be affiliated with the convention can appoint “only men as any kind of pastor or elder.”
Virginia Pastor Mike Law introduced the amendment at the 2023 meeting, where it received overwhelming support during its preliminary vote.
The amendment must receive a two-thirds majority in a second vote Wednesday to be cemented in the Southern Baptist Convention constitution.
Southern Baptists are the largest evangelical Protestant group in the United States, according to Pew Research Center.
Tarrant County is home to 325 Baptist churches affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention and the Baptist General Convention of Texas, according to a spokesperson with the Tarrant Baptist Association.
Religious leaders and academic experts weighed in on the issue the Baptists look to decide in the impending vote.
Because Baptist churches run independently, the Southern Baptist Convention can’t tell them who to appoint as pastor.
However, the SBC can decide which churches are affiliated — or “in friendly cooperation” — with the organization.
The reason why churches affiliate themselves with groups such as the Southern Baptist Convention or the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship is to collaborate on missions or share financial resources, said Ellen Di Giosia, field coordinator for the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship of Texas.
“It’s also how they give their money to share in missions. It’s where they get their Sunday school curriculum. It’s where they send their ministers to be trained. It’s an all encompassing kind of system,” Di Giosa said.
Depending on the vote, Di Giosa said, churches with women in leadership roles might be faced with firing the women in those roles or leaving the Southern Baptist Convention and aligning themselves with other Baptist groups.
The measure could also disproportionately impact Black churches currently affiliated with the convention.
Gender roles in the Southern Baptist Convention
The Southern Baptist Convention has historically opposed ordaining women as pastors and has been a “dividing line” between them and other Baptist groups, said Doug Weaver, chairman of Baylor University’s department of religion.
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He is also the Barbara Jo Beard Diskell professor of historical studies for the school and focuses on Baptist history.
Baylor University is affiliated with the Baptist General Convention of Texas.
“The way they (Southern Baptists) read the Bible, women are to submit to men,” Weaver said. “And once you start allowing women to be called the same thing as a man, you have confusion of roles, confusion of identity.”
Since 1925, the Southern Baptist Convention has outlined its statement of beliefs in its Baptist Faith and Message and uses it as a guiding document for the denomination.
In 2023 the SBC added a statement to the document saying that both men and women are gifted for service in the church; however, “the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture.”
“Up until now, they would say a woman could be anything other than the senior minister,” Weaver said. “Now, this is actually much more restrictive than that, in that they don’t want a woman to use the title of pastor in any way, shape or form.”
Women serving in leadership positions within the Christian faith has been controversial throughout history, said Ted Campbell, professor of church history at Southern Methodist University.
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He referenced how the women’s rights movement in the 1970s “gave a great deal of impetus to women coming into ministry.”
Southern Baptists being the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. has an influence on American life at large, Campbell said.
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SBC rejects ban on women pastors but cautions against IVF
INDIANAPOLIS — Southern Baptists narrowly rejected a proposal to enshrine a ban on churches with women pastors in the denomination’s constitution after opponents argued it was unnecessary because the denomination already has a way of ousting such churches.
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The vote received support from 61% of the delegates, but it failed to get the required two-thirds supermajority.
The action reversed a preliminary vote last year in favor of the official ban.
But it still leaves the Southern Baptist Convention with its official doctrinal statement saying the office of pastor is limited to men.
Even the opponents of the ban said they favored that doctrinal statement but didn’t think it was necessary to reinforce it in the constitution.
Opponents noted that the SBC already can oust churches that assert women can serve as pastors — as it did last year and again Tuesday night.
The vote was perhaps the most highly anticipated of the annual meeting, reflecting years of debate in the United States’ largest Protestant denomination.
Southern Baptists vote to oppose IVF
Also in the final day of the SBC’s two-day annual meeting in Indianapolis, Southern Baptists have elected a new convention president and approved a nonbinding resolution, cautioning couples about using in vitro fertilization.
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In the resolution, messengers urged couples to “consider the ethical implications” of reproductive technologies like IVF.
It has become a prominent issue in the wake of a IVF controversy in Alabama, which shielded IVF providers from prosecution and civil lawsuits after a state Supreme Court ruling said frozen embryos are children.
The SBC resolution agrees that embryos are children, regardless of location in or outside the womb.
The resolution expressed alarm over the fact that IVF treatment commonly produces surplus embryos that are frozen, with “most unquestionably destined for eventual destruction.”
While not outright opposing IVF, the resolution also denounces medical experimentation on frozen embryos as well as any use of “dehumanizing methods for determining suitability for life and genetic sorting.”
It expresses sympathy with couples struggling with infertility but urges them to weigh the issues.
It also encourages couples to adopt frozen embryos.
Some messengers gave impassioned defenses of the technology, saying it helped couples bring children into the world, but others said the destruction of frozen embryos outweighs any benefits from IVF.
“Right now we’re trying to open the conversation, remind Southern Baptists of our long-held beliefs of the sanctity of human life,” said Kristen Ferguson, chair of the committee on resolutions. “So in the future, we fully anticipate that you may see much stronger language … but we are not speaking to that at this time, because Southern Baptists aren’t ready to speak to that yet”
Earlier in the day, the much-watched proposed amendment, which received preliminary approval last year, would have formally exclude churches that have women in any pastoral positions, from lead pastor to associates, or even affirms them in that role.
Supporters believe it is biblically necessary, estimating hundreds of Southern Baptist churches have women in those roles.
SBC since 2000:
Only men are qualified for the role of pastor
Since 2000, the SBC’s nonbinding statement of faith has declared that only men are qualified for the role of pastor.
It’s interpreted differently across the denomination, with some believing it doesn’t apply to associate pastors so long as the senior pastor is male.
The proposed amendment, which received preliminary approval last year, would formally exclude churches that have women in any pastoral positions, from lead pastor to associates, or even affirms them in that role. Supporters believe it is biblically necessary, estimating hundreds of Southern Baptist churches have women in those roles.
The rejected amendment would have said any church deemed in “friendly cooperation” — the official term for SBC affiliation — must be one that “affirms, appoints, or employs only men as any kind of pastor or elder as qualified by Scripture.”
Opponents argued the convention already has the power to remove churches over this issue, and the amendment will have unintended consequences, including disproportionately affecting Black Southern Baptist congregations, which tend to have women on their pastoral staffs.
Ryan Fullerton, pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky, said the measure is “not about preventing women from exercising their gifts” in the church, in roles on church staff such as “children’s ministers.”
But he said the Bible is clear that the office of pastor is for men.
He said there is “confusion about gender” in the wider culture and cited what he called “the ravages of the LGBTQIA agenda.”
But Spence Shelton, pastor of Mercy Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, argued that it was unnecessary.
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He said there is no doubt that Southern Baptists are “complementarian,” as they describe the view that men and women have equal value but different roles that complement one another.
The denomination can’t tell its independent churches what to do or whom to appoint as a pastor.
But they can say which churches are in and which are out.
Last year, Southern Baptists refused to take back Saddleback, one of the convention’s largest congregations, and a small Kentucky church over the issue.
Both churches, which had women in top pastoral positions, appealed their ouster to the 2023 annual meeting and were overwhelmingly rejected by the delegates.
A similar scenario played out in Indianapolis on Tuesday, when messengers voted overwhelmingly to kick out First Baptist Church of Alexandria in Virginia, which has a woman in an associate position and also asserted that women can hold the top job.
Supporters of the amendment say it probably won’t result in an immediate, large-scale purge, but opponents expressed concern it would burden SBC volunteers and staffs with numerous investigations of churches.
Who is the new SBC president?
Delegates also elected a North Carolina pastor and longtime denominational statesman to be the next president of their convention in a contest between six candidates that went into two run-off votes.
Clint Pressley, who is senior pastor of Hickory Grove Baptist Church in Charlotte, will be the next Southern Baptist Convention president after winning 56% of votes in the final run-off race.
Messengers raise their ballots in support of a motion put up for vote during a Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting Tuesday, June 11, 2024, in Indianapolis.
The SBC president — one of the most prominent faces of the conservative evangelical network of churches — presides over the annual meeting and appoints members to the denomination’s committees.
Pressley’s nearest opponent, Tennessee pastor, Dan Spencer, received 44 percent of the votes after four other candidates were eliminated in earlier rounds.
Pressley has said he favors a measure being voted on later Wednesday to amend the SBC constitution to ban churches with women pastors.
Pressley earned a master of divinity from New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisiana, one of the SBC’s official seminaries.
He has led Hickory Grove since 2011 after pastoring churches in Alabama and Mississippi.
Pressley was first vice president of the SBC in 2014-15 and served on numerous other denominational boards.
Messengers early Wednesday rejected a proposal to abolish the SBC’s public policy agency, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.
The measure reflected the views of some that the the staunchly conservative commission wasn’t conservative enough.
An Unexpected Turn in the Evangelical Culture Wars
On Wednesday, in Indianapolis, the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant body in the United States, rejected a proposed ban on allowing women to be called “pastor.”
The measure, which would have amended the S.B.C.’s constitution, fell just short of a two-thirds-majority vote.
The S.B.C. has officially barred women from leading churches since 2000.
Yet this ban would have gone further, threatening to “disfellowship” churches that allow women to use the title of pastor in any way.
I called Rick Warren, the founder of Saddleback Church, in Southern California, and one of the most influential evangelical pastors, shortly after the vote with the news.
“That’s a relief for over two thousand S.B.C. churches who have women pastors, whether they lead churches or not,” Warren told me.
The vast majority of evangelical Christians, who number about a quarter of adults in the U.S., oppose the idea of female pastors.
For most, the Bible’s stance against female pastors is starkly clear.
“Women should be silent in the churches,” the apostle Paul writes to the members of the early Church.
“For they are not permitted to speak but should be subordinate, as the law also says. If there is something they want to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.”
Other passages reinforce this injunction.
“Let a woman learn in silence with full submission,” Paul writes to Timothy, a leader of the church in Ephesus. “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent.”
In spite of these verses, many Protestant denominations—including the Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, and Episcopalians—ordain women.
Most Christians view these verses as anachronistic and subject to historical context, much like other Biblical passages on stoning adulterers to death and ordering slaves to be obedient to their masters.
“Paul also tells women not to braid their hair or wear jewelry,” Linda Barnes Popham, a sixty-eight-year-old pastor, who leads Fern Creek Baptist Church, in Louisville, Kentucky, told me recently. Popham attended Southern Seminary, the Southern Baptists’ leading academic institution, in the nineteen-eighties—a time when women were allowed to study preaching.
“Women still won the preaching award,” she told me. “And all of my professors affirmed women in ministry.”
That attitude of openness changed quickly.
When Popham graduated from the seminary, in 1985, fundamentalist leaders were staging a coup within the S.B.C., known as the conservative resurgence, firing liberal professors and barring women from taking courses that prepared them to become pastors.
Though the S.B.C. now claims that the Bible is clear in its strictures against female pastors, scholars point to scriptural contradictions.
Katherine Ellis, a doctoral student at Baylor University, noted that, in addition to silencing women and grousing about their hair, Paul praises female leaders: he refers to Phoebe, who travelled to Rome to preach, as a “deacon”; calls Junia, imprisoned for her faith, an “apostle”; and describes Prisca and Aquila as “co-workers in Christ Jesus.”
From the first to the twelfth century, the historian Gary Macy writes in “The Hidden History of Women’s Ordination,” women held roles as priests, deacons, and even bishops, beginning with Mary Magdalene, who left her home to follow Jesus, alongside his twelve disciples.
In addition to Mary, whom Thomas Aquinas, the thirteenth-century theologian, calls “the Apostle to the Apostles,” Scripture recounts the stories of multiple women among Jesus’ earliest converts and first teachers.
During the COVID pandemic, Rick Warren read these accounts of women in the early Church.
Since he’d begun preaching, at the age of sixteen, Warren, who is theologically conservative, had vehemently opposed women pastors.
However, the isolation of lockdown allowed him to question that position.
“One of the things that really stood out to me was the hidden history of how much women were involved in the early growth of the first four hundred years of Christianity,” Warren told me. “This has been completely written out of tradition and culture.”
To Warren, ordaining women wasn’t simply good theology; he also believed that it could help save the Church, which, in the U.S., was rapidly shrinking.
During the past three decades, some forty million Americans have left their churches; the number of Southern Baptists has dropped from sixteen million members to about thirteen million since 2010.
“Why have we not been as fast at getting the good news out as they were in the first four hundred years?” Warren asked. “You’ve heard the old saying that women hold up half the sky? Well, women hold up half the Church. Why would you keep fifty per cent sitting on the bench?”
In 2021, Warren ordained three women as pastors at Saddleback: Liz Puffer, Cynthia Petty, and Katie Edwards.
In 2022, he commissioned a fourth, Stacie Wood, to succeed him in leading Saddleback alongside her husband, Andy.
Wood, who is forty-two and a mother of three, welcomed the role.
“I’m serving Jesus under the authority and in alignment with my spiritual leaders,” she wrote on Instagram. “We believe that women can be gifted and empowered as teachers and as pastors.”
Warren’s ordination of the women inflamed a far-right strain within the S.B.C., which he labelled “fundamentalism.”
Although the S.B.C. has long been both theologically and culturally conservative, differences within it had sharpened in 2020, when a splinter organization arose, calling itself the Conservative Baptist Network.
“It began with twenty people from around the country who shared the same concerns that the S.B.C. was moving away from Biblical principles, and against the gains of the conservative resurgence,” Ronnie Rogers, one of the founders of the Conservative Baptist Network, told me.
In a thirty-eight-page document, they listed their concerns: principally, a softening around the role of women and issues of social justice.
The S.B.C. was investigating hundreds of claims that its leadership had covered up sexual abuse by clergy members; Rogers’s group doubted that the accusers, mostly girls and women, were telling the truth.
“In Christianity, both women and men lie,” Rogers told me.
Their manifesto drew more interest. “Now we have ten thousand members,” he told me.
Warren told me, “This is a fight between fundamentalists and conservatives.
All of us believe that the Bible is inerrant, but the fundamentalists believe that their interpretation of the Bible is also inerrant, and that’s the problem.”
By pressing the issue of female pastors among his fellow Southern Baptists, Warren was striving to make a point about a dangerous direction in which he saw the Church moving.
“Rick Warren is a brilliant tactician,” Ryan Burge, a Baptist minister and a professor at Eastern Illinois University, told me. “He knew that, by forcing this conversation, he would either help bring Southern Baptists along, or they’d have to kick out one of their most influential and beloved pastors.”
In February of 2022, not long after Warren ordained the three female pastors, the S.B.C. declared that Saddleback Church was “not in friendly cooperation with the convention.”
That spring, on the floor of the S.B.C. convention in Anaheim, California, Warren defended his decision and called for an end to “bickering about secondary issues.”
He asked his fellow Southern Baptists,
“As Western culture becomes more dark, more evil, more secular, we have to decide: are we going to treat each other as allies or not?”
Warren’s actions fuelled a further hardening of the far right of the Church.
A new, more vociferous strain of opposition to female pastors arose, and, at the 2023 convention, the delegates, known as messengers, voted to disfellowship Saddleback.
At that same meeting, in New Orleans, the messengers endorsed the Law Amendment: the proposed ban, named for Mike Law, the Virginia pastor who proposed it, on women even being called pastors.
There was other, unintended blowback.
In Louisville, Kentucky, about ten miles from Southern Seminary, Pastor Linda Barnes Popham had been happily leading Fern Creek Baptist, a quiet congregation of some hundred mostly elderly members.
After Warren ordained the women, Popham learned that she was under investigation by the S.B.C.’s credentials committee as to whether she was qualified to lead her church.
Popham had addressed concerns about her sex when she was officially hired as lead pastor at Fern Creek in 1993.
“I was kind of conflicted about having a woman as a pastor,” one longtime parishioner named George told me.
Later, George fell in love with Linda, and, for the past twenty-two years, they have been happily married.
In myriad ways, George Popham, who is eighty-two and facing health issues, supports his wife in leading the church.
I visited Fern Creek last year, and watched George, without any fuss, drive Linda to visit church members at the local hospital, wash dishes after a church luau, and patiently wait for hours for her to return from a pastoral call so that the two could go to Graeter’s Ice Cream together.
(When she got caught up chatting about Jesus outside the ice-cream shop, George waited some more.)
Despite her unconventional marital role, however, Linda Popham is no liberal.
“I’m more conservative than some of the pastors who oppose me,” she said.
She was staunchly against same-sex relationships and abortion, because she believed both were explicitly forbidden by the Bible.
“But there’s nowhere in Scripture that says it’s a sin for a woman to be a pastor,” she said.
As the fight over women unfolded within the S.B.C. last year, Popham’s congregation took a vote on whether they wanted her to remain as their pastor, even if the S.B.C. decided to kick them out.
Their support for her was unanimous.
Warren, who’d come to know and admire Popham, felt terrible about pulling her into the fray.
“Linda Popham is a pistol,” he told me. “I’m sorry I got her into trouble.”
Popham attended Southern Seminary in the nineteen-eighties—a time when women were allowed to study preaching.
The rejection of the Law Amendment signalled that the radicals of the S.B.C. may have overestimated their support.
Hershael York, the dean of the School of Theology at Southern Seminary, told me, “Sometimes I suspect that the guys who were too young or not yet born when the conservative resurgence happened feel like they missed the war, so they try to start one.”
York supported the expulsions of Saddleback and Fern Creek.
But, he said, of the Law Amendment, “I fear it will only drive out some churches that we can otherwise strengthen and encourage.”
The enthusiasm for the insurgent Conservative Baptist Network was, to York, another sign of trouble.
“When we treat everything like an existential threat and feel the need to form splinter organizations, we lose the cohesion and unity we desperately need to face legitimate threats,” he added.
To many observers, the confrontation over female pastors is simply one salvo in an internal power struggle over the future of evangelicalism.
“It’s a sign that the center held for now, but the culture-war faction is already saying they are regrouping, and their main aim is to turn the Church into a political weapon,” Kristin Du Mez, the author of “Jesus and John Wayne,” a history of American evangelicalism, told me.
The real tension lies between conservatives who possess little interest in influencing secular politics, and those for whom politics are paramount.
At this year’s convention, messengers also approved a resolution condemning reproductive technologies, such as I.V.F.
Another resolution, called “On Defending Religious Liberty,” warned against the influence of Christian nationalism and opposed “any effort to use the people and the churches of the Southern Baptist Convention to establish Christianity as the state religion of the United States of America.”
It was overwhelmingly approved.
Yet another, which drew attention to the ongoing scandal over sexual abuse and called for an end to the S.B.C’s use of nondisclosure agreements, never made it to a vote.
Al Mohler, the seminary president, said, “Given the secularizing pressures of the age, I don’t think anyone thinks that list is going to get shorter.”
For all practical purposes, life after the S.B.C. has proved fruitful for Fern Creek Baptist Church.
Linda Popham told me that her regular group of Sunday churchgoers has grown from a hundred to almost two hundred people, including some young families who saw Popham on the news and joined to support her.
When she heard the news that the Law Amendment had failed, she was getting a group of kids ready for Bible camp.
“It makes me happy for the women who are still there,” she said.
In Orange County, Stacie Wood, at Saddleback Church, didn’t really know what the Law Amendment was.
Her focus, she told me, was on growing the Church and bringing people to Jesus.
She noted with delight that, on Pentecost, Saddleback had joined with some three hundred other churches in California to baptize twelve thousand people.
“God is on the move here doing amazing things,” she said. “Leaving the S.B.C. was barely a bump in the road.”
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Where’s That Database?
Another year passes without Southern Baptist leaders launching the promised public database of sex offenders
The Southern Baptist Convention vowed two years ago to embrace reforms after a damning 2019 newspaper investigation and a third-party report found that churches harbored dozens of sex offenders.
Many of them moved from church to church despite their background.
We can see now how hollow that promise has turned out to be.
The SBC’s decentralized structure and lack of top-down authority made accountability challenging but not impossible.
A key recommendation championed by victim advocates and Guidepost Solutions, the firm that investigated the SBC at its request, was the creation of a public database or offender information system.
This database would help churches identify known sex offenders so that predators wouldn’t just shift to new congregations.
A special task force has been working on this database since the 2022 Guidepost report.
To address SBC leaders’ concerns about liability and insurance coverage, a standalone nonprofit was created to handle the database.
In addition, the criteria for inclusion in the database was narrowed down to people who had been convicted or found liable in court of a sex offense.
The nonprofit over the database, known as the Abuse Response Commission, secured insurance bids and vetted about 100 names for inclusion in the database, called Ministry Check, according to a report by the abuse reform task force.
And yet the SBC’s annual convention came and went last week without the database launching, apparently over lingering objections from church leaders.
Task force leaders raised $75,000 outside of the SBC to vet the initial batch of names, according to Religion News Service.
The task force wrote in its 2024 report that the SBC “has contributed zero funding” to Ministry Check.
The recent death of Paul Pressler, a longtime SBC leader and a former Texas judge, should serve as a reminder of the importance of this database.
In 2017, a former assistant sued Pressler and accused him of periodic rape over the course of decades, starting when the assistant was a teen.
The man accused SBC leaders of covering it up, and at least seven other men came forward with allegations.
Pressler and SBC leaders denied wrongdoing but settled the lawsuit confidentially in December.
The SBC executive committee nixed the idea of an offender database back in 2008, citing the autonomy of local churches and the “impossible” task of including all convicted predators.
Church leaders’ excuses remain as flimsy as their promises.
Is a woman’s place in the pulpit?
Here’s why Southern Baptists are debating female empowerment in 2024
Cathleen Falsani, former religion reporter at the Chicago Tribune , used to say her job was cultural translator — converting the language of religious people for secular publication, and then translating the secular culture back to the faithful.
Having worked in both religious and secular roles, I feel that way sometimes, especially when religious folks make head-scratching news like the Baptists did this month.
In case you missed it, the Southern Baptist Convention met in Indianapolis and considered, among other things, a resolution banning churches that allow women to serve as pastors.
The measure failed to gain the two-thirds supermajority it needed, but 61% of voters supported it.
Are 61% of Southern Baptists misogynists?
Is the denomination simply opposed to empowering women?
What’s going on here?
Acceptance varies widely
First, it’s worth noting the progressive change in attitude on this issue among the faithful.
Since 1998, the Association of Religion Data Archives has conducted a periodic survey called the National Congregations Study that gives a snapshot of the beliefs, practices and demographics of all American religious congregations.
In the latest installment of that survey, published in 2021, 56% of all religious congregations in the U.S. reported that a woman could be allowed to serve as the community’s primary leader — that’s up from 47% in 2006 — and 89% of congregations would allow women to serve on a governing board.
Acceptance of women in leadership roles varies widely among subgroups: 95% of mainline Protestant congregations accept female leaders, at least in theory, compared with two-thirds of Black Protestant churches and a third of white evangelical churches.
In a separate 2020 survey, 72.8% of American evangelicals agreed that women should be allowed to preach in Sunday services, a common function of pastors and senior church leaders.
An older study, from 2011, isolated responses from Southern Baptist churchgoers and found that almost 65% agreed that women should be allowed to serve as clergy, though that survey didn’t delineate between senior and associate pastor roles.
But practice doesn’t track with theory; only 13.8% of all American congregations are led by women, and those congregations account for only 8.1% of all worshippers across all faith traditions.
Among white evangelicals, where most Southern Baptists fall, only 3% of congregations are led by women.
That’s only slightly more than Roman Catholic congregations, where priesthood is reserved for men (some Catholic communities are priestless).
Minority faiths tend to empower women more.
Of non-Christian congregations reporting, 32.6% were led by a woman.
Within religions, these differences often fall predictably along geographic and political lines.
Women are more likely to be in positions of leadership among liberal congregations on the coasts than in conservative congregations in the South or Midwest.
It’s important to recognize that this is a more complex issue than the binary answer to “Can women be pastors?”
Some congregations ordain women but don’t allow them to be the primary leader.
Others allow women to perform certain priestly duties but not all.
When researchers include questions about whether women should be allowed to preach, offer sacraments or sit on governing boards, the responses get complicated.
People of the book
Adherents to conservative faith traditions like Southern Baptists submit themselves to obeying holy writ, even when they would rather not.
Every Southern Baptist expects to live at odds with prevailing cultural norms at some point.
In fact, to do so is often a point of pride. Countercultural movements arise regularly in conservative religious circles seeking to “stand against the tide” of cultural norms in dating, dress, family planning, health care, finance, business, entertainment, housing, philanthropy and dozens of other categories.
All of these movements can connect a group’s raison d’être to sacred writings and thereby turn its chosen issue into a crusade of sorts.
In the case of women, most Christian restrictions find their basis in the writings of the Apostle Paul.
Aside from Jesus, Paul may be the teacher with the most far-reaching impact in the history of Christian thought.
Paul wrote about half of the books in the New Testament, including several letters to young churches in which he laid out rules for orderly worship and church governance.
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man,” Paul wrote to his protégé Timothy.
And to the church in Corinth:
“Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.”
Those sentences plainly seem to forbid female leadership.
When religious people read them, they find themselves caught between cultural norms illuminated on their TVs and ancient commands printed in their holy books.
That tension is the root of so many points of variance between religious people and people who scratch their heads at religion.
In 2019, John MacArthur, one of the most influential figures in modern American evangelicalism, got into a spat with Texas Bible teacher Beth Moore over her insistence on preaching.
After women spoke at the Southern Baptist Convention’s annual meeting, MacArthur took it as a sign that Baptists no longer believed their Bibles.
“When you literally overturn the teaching of Scripture to empower people who want power, you have given up biblical authority,” MacArthur said.
That philosophy was echoed by Al Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, leading up to this month’s convention vote.
Mohler wrote and spoke publicly of his opposition to women in the pastorate, calling it “contrary to Scripture” and a slippery slope toward more egalitarian interpretations on issues of gender, homosexuality and marriage.
“If you adopt a system that allows you to get around the plain teachings of Scripture in one area, you are going to have a very hard time closing the door on someone else using your same argument on a different issue,” Mohler wrote.
Open to interpretation
Of course that’s not what’s happening in the 3% of evangelical congregations led by a woman.
No serious person of faith would consciously jettison the teachings of the Bible to create a theology of her own making.
Those congregations who empower women have not done so. Rather, they have found justification for their position in the sacred texts, not outside them.
For instance, Paul’s commands about women could be interpreted as unique to the churches he addressed, and not universal for all time.
That interpretation is especially appealing in the letter to Timothy in which Paul also forbids women to wear gold or pearls to church.
Also, the submission Paul enforced “as the law says” may refer to the ancient Roman law of tutelage.
For a woman to speak in church would not have broken the law of God, but the law of Rome, and therefore censured. Since America has no such law, Paul’s command here may be null, some interpreters say.
Another issue: The title of “pastor” debated by Southern Baptists is not a biblical office. The New Testament describes only two ecclesiastical offices: elder (or overseer) and deacon (or servant). And the most common pattern of church leadership seems to be a board or council of elders rather than a single all-powerful leader.
That’s a wise move for churches for the same reasons it’s a wise move for corporations, political parties and even neighborhood associations that employ a plurality of voices for governance.
But many Southern Baptist churches operate with a single leader, the pastor serving as the only or most powerful overseer.
Indeed, according to the National Congregations Study, more than half of American congregations are led by a single leader with no additional paid ministerial staff.
And some evangelical churches have all three offices — elder, deacon and pastor.
It’s hard to claim the biblical high ground in a debate over an office the Bible doesn’t address.
Something else must be said here: This debate is not only about differing interpretations of sacred writings but about differing weights given to those interpretations.
The Bible affirms that some commands are more important than others.
Loving God and loving your neighbor top the list. Matters of church governance are simply less important.
Believers can agree to disagree over what Paul calls “disputable matters.”
Only when every issue becomes a holy crusade do you get the likes of Al Mohler.
In fact, this may be one way that church leaders are following the very culture they seek to “stand against.”
In our current ideological debates, every issue is an existential one.
Every politician warns us that a vote for the other guy is an extinction-level threat.
Last year, I was invited to speak to a class of students at the University of Texas at Dallas.
We discussed many issues, from climate change to election integrity to puberty blockers, and every single one was considered a matter of life and death.
In such an environment, the job of a cultural translator is a fraught one.
OPINION Evangelical world lacks accountability
Amid cases of male misconduct, women are still denied pastoral roles
What disqualifies a person from pastoral ministry?
We’ve seen different answers to that question in the evangelical world recently.
The Southern Baptist Convention reaffirmed its ban on women serving in any pastoral role by expelling a congregation that had a female pastor for women and children.
And in North Texas, Robert Morris, the founding pastor of nondenominational Gateway Church, was allowed to resign after a woman came forward to say that he had sexually abused her for over four years starting when she was 12 years old.
Unlike in some of these stories, the allegation was known by his previous church.
But instead of being rung out of ministry forever (let alone facing criminal charges), Morris underwent two years of “freedom counseling” and “restoration” before being allowed back into ministry in 1989.
Outside of a small circle of male elders, it seems no one was ever informed of this behavior.
The split-screen picture was unavoidably striking.
On the one hand, there is not a pastoral job so modestly defined that a woman may hold it; on the other, there was profound indulgence for a man accused not only of violating Christian morality but the law and the ethical obligations of ministry.
On one hand, swift and final discipline.
On the other, a gracious and face-saving exit.
It is hard to avoid the conclusion that whatever structures of accountability and oversight exist in the evangelical world are fundamentally broken.
Cindy Clemishire, who accused Morris of abuse, reached out to Gateway starting in 2005 to ask them to address the issue, she said.
But, as has often been the case in these stories, nothing happened until it became a public scandal.
Morris hosted Mark Driscoll, then in disgrace for his own alleged abusive church practices and misogynistic theology, for his first public appearance only days after his resignation from Mars Hill.
A pastor scheduled for this summer’s Gateway education series was removed at the last minute, dealing with his own accusations of pastoral misconduct.
Another pastor in the same series, Dallas’ Tony Evans, had just stepped away from his megachurch ministry over unspecified alleged moral lapses.
That’s just part of the circle around one Dallas-area megachurch.
The stories are repeated all around the country with chilling regularity.
A pastor with a big following turns out to have done something very wrong; he acknowledges something like “moral failures,” usually in minimizing language, and always as if sexual abuse or pastoral misconduct primarily concerns the perpetrator rather than the victim; huddles with a few male elders for a process of “reconciliation” or “restoration,” lasting a few weeks or months, and then he’s back, either in his old pulpit or founding a new church.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Christianity’s ethic of forgiveness is used as a mask, even a license, for abuse of all kinds.
If this sounds eerily similar to patterns of abuse and cover-up exposed in the Catholic Church in past years, that’s no coincidence.
The Southern Baptist Convention, to its credit, has at least begun to grapple with the problem of revolving-door abusers.
But in the wild world of nondenominational evangelicalism, there’s no mechanism for accountability apart from those interchangeable circles of male leaders, sharing an ethic of male domination and sexual entitlement, and the individual survivors who occasionally become loud enough to supply in public embarrassment what those leaders seem to lack in private shame.
While it is true that God can forgive any sin, it does not follow that every kind of sin is compatible with church ministry.
Some offenses are also crimes and need to be dealt with civilly as well as within church structures.
Some offenses have implications for their victims that are more important than the self-proclaimed moral struggles of the offender.
And some offenses betray a lack of trustworthiness so severe that the person cannot be allowed back into a position of comparable trust and authority ever again.
If a dentist can be stripped of a license, a pastor should be, too.
Even pastors should be willing to make an honest living some other way.
A pastor with a properly formed Christian conscience would welcome it, rather than justify himself and bask in the applause of an audience.
But ultimately, I suspect a church culture that won’t trust women as official pastors and elders — and let’s be honest here, women in churches everywhere do a lot of pastoral work even if they’re denied the title — will not trust their claims or value their safety either, at least not if it comes at the cost of male prestige.
As long as churches are more afraid of women being leaders than women being victims, that’s exactly what they’re going to get. Benjamin J. Dueholm is pastor of Christ Lutheran Church in University Park.
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33 Senate Democrats join Republicans to block DC crime bill | The Hill
Senators on Wednesday overwhelmingly voted to block the District of Columbia’s updated criminal code from becoming law, marking the first time in more than three decades that a D.C.-passed bill has been nixed by Congress and the White House. 
The Senate advanced the resolution, 81-14, with 33 Democrats voting alongside every Republican and Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.). 
Senate Democrats of all stripes joined with the GOP, including some of the party’s leadership. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and Sen. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) both backed the resolution.
Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.), the No. 2 Democrat in the upper chamber, however, split with Schumer to vote “no.”
Unsurprisingly, the most vulnerable Senate Democrats up for reelection in 2024, headlined by Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Jon Tester (Mont.) and Sherrod Brown (Ohio), all supported the resolution.
Fourteen senators who caucus with the Democrats voted against the measure: Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Peter Welch (D-Vt.) and Durbin. 
Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) voted present. Sens. John Fetterman (D-Pa.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Tom Carper (D-Del.) and James Risch (R-Idaho) were absent.
The Senate Democrats had political cover to vote “yes” after President Biden told them last week he would not veto the resolution if it reached his desk — reversing a statement of administration policy backing Washington, D.C., home rule prior to the House vote last month.
The House passed the resolution to block the crime bill on a 250 to 173 vote, with 31 Democrats voting with all Republicans.
The D.C. City Council passed its crime bill unanimously in January and overrode a veto by Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) in February, 12-1. 
It has been the subject of intense criticism from Republicans and some Democrats for some provisions, such as the lower penalties for a number of violent crimes, including robberies and carjackings. 
“Carjackings and car thefts have become a daily routine. Homicides are racking up at a rate of four per week,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said during a speech on the Senate floor on Wednesday. “This is our capital city. But local politicians have let its streets become a danger and an embarrassment.”
In his tweet last week announcing his decision, Biden specifically mentioned sentences for carjackings as a reason. According to the Metropolitan Police Department, there have been 101 carjackings across the District this year alone, roughly the same as the 106 reported by this point last year. Half have involved juveniles. Twenty-two of this calendar year’s cases have been closed, and 14 people have been arrested on related charges. 
“I just think it needs more work,” Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) told reporters of the D.C. bill, citing the mayor’s veto of the bill earlier this year. 
But the 180-degree turn by the administration has infuriated some House Democrats who have complained that the White House put them in a bad spot. 
It also handed House Republicans a gift on the messaging side, as the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) launched an ad campaign against 15 Democrats who voted against doing away with the crime bill. 
“Forget safe streets and neighborhoods — House Democrats remain more concerned with promoting policies that appease violent criminals,” Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.), the NRCC’s chairman, said in a statement. “This is just a preview of how these extremist House Democrats will be held accountable for coddling criminals all cycle long.”
The crime bill has also been criticized for other reasons, including that it would increase the number of jury trials for misdemeanor offenses. Sen. Angus King (I-Maine.) who voted for the resolution blocking the bill, told The Hill earlier in the week that there’s not “enough jurors in the world to do that.”
D.C. Council Chairman Phil Mendelson on Monday attempted to withdraw the bill and keep it from being brought up for a vote. However, the Home Rule Act, which governs the District, does not allow for the withdrawal of legislation. 
A number of Senate Democrats, however, stood by the District and opposed the resolution. Cardin told reporters earlier in the week that the matter is “a D.C. issue.”
“The Senate shouldn’t be voting on that,” Cardin said. “To me, it’s a fundamental issue of home rule.”
So-called Progressives at it again. This is the same action that's keeping San Francisco filled with crime; Socialists deliberately letting crime go wild to hurt Democrats. It's not just random juveniles committing these carjackings. It's just one of the easiest crimes to pull. Everyone should remember the ones who voted against protecting citizens and all of them, Booker and Dick Durbin should be challenged for their seats. Booker plays the Righteous Brother well but he's not with Dems and Durbin tried to pull a sleazy move months ago, by throwing Senator Fienstein under the bus, causing the drama on the judicial committee. I'm guessing the D.C. Council are a bunch who got in on a sympathetic wave post George Floyd. To vote against the Mayor is huge red flag.
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By Sophia Cai, Juliegrace Brufke
Axios
April 1, 2023
Former President Trump has been endorsed by 37 House Republicans — including more than a third of the GOP members on Judiciary and Oversight, two committees he's pushing to investigate President Biden and Manhattan's district attorney.
Why it matters: Trump's endorsements, which also include five Republican senators, reflect the congressional wall of support he has built to boost his 2024 presidential campaign — and help him dig up dirt on his political and legal foes.
Trump, now facing criminal charges in New York, frequently chats by phone with supporters such as House Judiciary chair Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and GOP Conference chair Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) to discuss Republicans' probes into Biden and Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg.
Jordan and Stefanik — also members of the Judiciary's panel that targets what it calls the "weaponization" of law enforcement against conservatives — are particularly key players in Trump's orbit.
They wield significant influence on panels that have tried—so far unsuccessfully—to get documents and testimony from Bragg's probe into alleged hush money payments Trump made to porn star Stormy Daniels.
The big picture: Trump has been able to maintain a grip on much of the GOP base even as he's faced criminal investigations in New York and Georgia, and by the Justice Department.
9 of the 25 Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee support him.
11 of the 26 Republicans on House Oversight do as well.
Zoom in: Trump backers in the House leadership also include GOP Conference Secretary Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.).
Other notable House Republicans endorsing Trump include Jim Banks (Indiana), who is running for Senate, Small Business Committee chair Roger Williams (Texas), Veterans Affairs chair Mike Bost (Illinois), and Ronny Jackson (Texas).
Trump's endorsements in the Senate: Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.), J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), Eric Schmitt (R-Mo.), and Markwayne Mullin (R-Oka.).
Between the lines: In recent weeks, Jackson and Stefanik have been calling House colleagues on Trump's behalf, asking for endorsements, people familiar with the calls tell Axios.
Team Trump has been keeping close tabs on who has endorsed — and who hasn't.
At his rally in Waco, Texas, last weekend, Trump suggested that GOP lawmakers who did not endorse him were not welcome at his rallies: "If they don't endorse me, I said don't even come."
But Trump recognizes there are allies — such as Kentucky Rep. James Comer, chair of House Oversight — who have been helpful to him but have not yet endorsed.
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THIS IS SORT OF UNRELATED TO ZIM BUT THE RECENT COMMITTEE HEARING IS SUCH A INVADER-ZIM CORE SCENE TO BE HONEST.
I MEAN.
THE CONGRESS-MAN GOING, "DOES TIKTOK ACCESS THE HOME WIFI NETWORK?"
HOWWWW CAN SOMEONE BE SO...STUPID?
EVERY APP. ACCESSES WIFI, JOHN. (I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT IS HIS NAME,. ITS AN EDUCATED GUESS.)
like THIS CANNOT BE REAL.
THIS FEELS LIKE SOMETHING STRAIGHT OUT OF INVADER ZIM.
I KIND OF WANT TO SEE THE CONGRESS-MEETING IN INVADER-ZIM STYLE.
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