#Rensselaer Schuyler

[46ten]

I was just learning the fact that Cornelia and Kitty fought Eliza for the inheritance, I knew her brothers did it but I didn't know about the sisters. I was surprised because they seemed to be close with her before their father's death. I know Kitty and EH reconciled because they became closer in later years, but what was her relationship with Cornelia? Did Cornelia die still fighting for the inheritance or did they reconcile? And in general how all of this affected Eliza's relationships with her siblings? (I wonder how AH would have helped EH in all of this if he were alive. Perhaps PH would have named him as one of his executors of his last will)

The dispute between Eliza and her siblings seems to have grown out of what they felt was over-generosity towards her from Philip Schuyler's attempts to financially assist her after AH's death. There were rumors of him giving her cash, and then there was the matter of the land deed executed before PS's death.

[So without AH dying, I doubt the dispute would have happened. And yes, I think AH would have been one of the executors of PS's will had he been alive. The three executors were Philip Jeremiah Schuyler (his son), JB Church (son-in-law), and Stephen van Rensselaer (former son-in-law/Margarita's widower).]

Specifically, when EH went up to Albany in August 1804, PS set in motion a plan to give her a land deed of 80 acres of his property in Albany - he notes in letters in July/early August/September how much he wants to assist her and her children by whatever means possible, emotional and spiritual support, but also financial support.

The paper deed was executed but not delivered to her, however, before she returned to NY and prior to PS's death. As such, some of her siblings argued that the 80 acres deed was null and the property should be counted towards the inheritance for all 8 children (or their children, as two of PS's kids were already dead - Margarita and John Bradstreet) and split. This is what led to the fight with Caty/Kitty and Cornelia's husbands, as EH is clear in a letter to her brother Philip Jeremiah that she believed her brothers'-in-law, G. Washington Morton (married Cornelia 1796) and Samuel Malcolm (married Kitty 1803) were behind this effort. To be clear, EH fought that the 80 acre deed should be hers exclusively; took about 5 years to resolve, but it was and she sold it, as she especially claimed to need the money to pay for her children's education. Read more here: Schuyler Mansion State Historic Site: Schuyler Siblings Land Squabble

Cornelia died in 1808, and it's not clear where their relationship stood, as the issue was still unresolved at the time. They were clearly still tight in Nov 1804, prior to PS's death: The Eliza Papers — Elizabeth Hamilton to Philip Schuyler, 1804 (tumblr.com). To read my posts on Cornelia and her terrible husband (Philip Schuyler disliked him! So he lost a bunch of PS's papers! ), see here: 46ten — How not to behave at Philip Schuyler’s home (tumblr.com); 46ten — Schuyler elopements (tumblr.com)

To read more about Kitty and Samuel Malcolm, who had been John Adams' secretary, see here: 46ten — Sister Church is still with us. She goes in less... (tumblr.com); 46ten — 46ten: Kitty, who is looking over my shoulder,…... (tumblr.com) 46ten — Philip Schuyler, described by his youngest... (tumblr.com); 46ten — Philip Schuyler to Elizabeth Hamilton, 1797 (tumblr.com)

Cornelia (b 1776) and Kitty (b 1781 - she would have been named GW Schuyler if a boy! or so claimed PS in his letter to GW, likely part of an attempt to assuage any ill feelings over his brand new son-in-law pulling the stunt he had, which AH also would not have pulled if PS wasn't his father-in-law) knew 'Brother Hamilton,' as they called him, their whole lives and were very close to him. Both girls spent time living with the Hamiltons in Philadelphia and NYC. They also had children named Alexander Hamilton Morton (b 1800) and Alexander Hamilton Malcolm (b 1815), respectively, so it doesn't seem that their husbands objected to EH and her husband all THAT much, but once money is involved....

See some speculation on the relationship between EH and Kitty here: Schuyler Mansion State Historic Site: My Dear Sister: Eliza and Caty Post-Schuyler Sisters Land Squabble

To the rumors that PS had given EH thousands of dollars, that seems very unlikely, as he was notably cash poor. But over the years, PS undoubtedly supported the Hamiltons financially, providing them not only with goods from his farms and mills, but cash to EH for paying for the boys' education (particularly while AH was Sect of Treas, which makes AH's efforts to make sure bonds were funded pretty self-interested - there's quite a lot of "I'm not benefiting!" while his closest family and friends, many of whom provide him funds outright, or provide him with goods, or give him interest-free loans, are benefiting handsomely.)

Some of the siblings could have been resentful, not only of PS's support but of his general favoritism towards the Hamiltons - see here for PS sending his son Rensselaer to live with the Hamiltons to learn from their good example: 46ten — Philip Schuyler to Elizabeth Hamilton, Albany,... (tumblr.com). But PS seems to have helped out all his kids - or at least once he reconciled himself to their poor choices in spouses - EH may have been the only one who chose a spouse PS approved of from the beginning! He saved timber for the Churches to build a home, provides funds and property to his sons, etc.

Post PS's death, EH's relationship with her brother Philip Jeremiah, for example, seems fine The Eliza Papers — Philip J Schuyler (tumblr.com), she's just admonishing him for not doing more to help her resolve the claims and points out that people are talking about how little help her brothers - PJ and Rensselaer - are providing, considering how much the Hamiltons' friends have stepped up to help her.

The other matter that persists between the siblings was much older - the division of the estate Catharine Van Rensselaer had inherited (parts of the Claverack) - which was a legal fight practically from the time AH joins the family, and one in which he offered advice. There's definitely "when is that every going to be settled!" angst between the siblings so they can finally resolve the matter of their mother's inheritance.

[therealadothamilton]

Why is it people writing historical fiction keep erasing the existence of The Schuyler Brothers? John Bradstreet, Philip Jeremiah and Rensselaer are rolling over in their graves...

[18thcentury]

I forgot to wish our fave Capricorn Alexander Hamilton a Happy Birthday (Jan 11th) but it's because I'm preoccupied with his Scorpion mother in law.

Alexander Hamilton

Artist: John Trumbull

1806

Catherine Van Rensselaer Schuyler

Artist: Thomas McIlworth

between 1762-1767

[catharinavanrenss]

I will not lie to you, I read Treecreeper as Treechcreeper ONCE when reading Miss Peregrine(VIA Leonora/Louisa’s mom’s suggestion) and now I’m stuck with it 😭

[chloerie]

Still mourning the fact @catherine-schuylerofficial / @catherine-schuyler doesn’t have any featured media:

meanwhile Philip:

Oh and there is like no mention of her mother dying in her Wikipedia page, when like, that would’ve had a major impact on a twelve year old????

[dearestcorrespondence]

James Alexander Hamilton to Catharine Cochran, Washington, [November 9, 1854]

Washington

Nov. 9 1854

My dear aunt,

My dear mother pushed her course here. The morning at about 4 o'clock She was conscious to the Last and although had better cause was inarticulate She said very kind things_ She passed without a struggle, altho, for a few months had she had suffered most.

I remain dear aunt your apathy (?) and affectionate nephew

James. A. Hamilton

[wardrobeoftime]

Please do gif sets of costumes worn by Angelica, Eliza and Peggy in act 1 of Hamilton

Sure.

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[46ten]

Schuyler elopements

The following accounts are from Women of Colonial and Revolutionary Times: Catherine Schuyler (1897) by Mary Gay Humphreys.

Regarding the elopement of Angelica Schuyler and John Church:

“Carter and my eldest daughter ran off and were married on the twenty-third of July. Unacquainted with his family connections and situation in life the matter was exceedingly disagreeable and I signified it to them” [Philip Schuyler to William Duer, pg 191] 

[One can read my speculation about why, (x), considering the above, AH was nevertheless acceptable to the Schuylers]

Regarding the elopement (that I don’t think was an elopement, just a surprising marriage due to SVR’s youth) of Margarita (Peggy) Schuyler and Stephen Van Rensselaer: 

“Stephen’s precipitate marriage has been to me a source of surprise and indeed of regret. He certainly is too young to enter into a connection of this kind; the period of his life is an important crisis; it is the time to acquire Fame, or at least to prepare for its acquisition. It is the Time to engage in a busy life, to arouse the Facultys into action, to awake from a lithargic Inattention, which is generally the consequence of youthful pleasures, and make a figure upon the active Theatre. Instead of this our field has indulged the momentary impulse of youthful Passions, and has yielded to the dictates of Remorseful Fancy.” [Harrison Gray Otis to Killian Van Rensselaer, pg 195]

Regarding the elopement of Cornelia Schuyler and Washington Morton: 

At the Morton home in New Jersey there had been a notable wedding, that of Eliza Morton to Josiah Quincy of Boston. The Rev. Samuel Smith of Princton College performed the ceremony before all the aristocracy of the time....Among the guests was Miss Cornelia Schuyler. The bride had a brother, Washington Morton. He made himself prominent as a lad during the British occupation by losing a darning needle which, being the only one in the neighborhood, accordingly had to be loaned from house to house. He was now one of the young bloods of the time. One of his recent enterprises had been a walk to Philadelphia on a wager. He was accompanied by various young men on horseback and in carriages. That night he gave them a dinner at Philadelphia, and was one of the liveliest of the company. He was of superb figure and very athletic. The admiration of Miss Schuyler and Mr. Morton was mutual and prompt. He followed the young lady to Albany and declared his attentions to her father. His walk had given him much distinction, but it was not the sort likely to win the approval of so strict a disciplinarian as General Schuyler, or the championship of so considerate a mother as his wife. 

The young man’s suit was refused. “He has not taken that place which befitted a married man,” and the General, to make sure of his position, led the young man to the wharf and saw him aboard the New York sloop. Returning home he called his daughter into the library and told her what he had done. “My wishes will be respected? Promise me to have nothing to do with him by word or letter.”

“I cannot.” 

“What! do you mean to disobey me?” 

“I mean I cannot bind myself; I will not.”

The issue was made. What steps were taken to secure obedience do not appear. In time, however, the impatient lover found opportunity to send his love a letter, and one moonlit evening two muffled figures appeared under Miss Cornelia’s window. At a low whistle the window opened and a rope was thrown up. Attached to the rope was a rope ladder, which making fast like a veritable heroine of romance the bride descended. They were driven to the river, where a boat was waiting to take them across. On the other side was the coach-and-pair. They were then driven thirty miles across country to Stockbridge, where an old friend of the Morton family lived. It was Judge Theodore Sedgwick, not unknown  to General Schuyler in Congress and about the troublesome boundary commissions. The affair had gone too far. The judge sent for a neighboring minister and the runaways were duly married. So flagrant a breach of the parental authority was not to be hastily forgotten. Philip and Catherine Schuyler had had had various experiences in kind, but this transcended everything out of fiction, from which in fact it seems to have been carefully copied. It was some months before the young couple was pardoned, by the stern father at least, for the mother’s heart quickly responded to the happiness of her children, even though they had been so willful. As in the case of the other runaways, the youthful Mortons disappointed expectation, by becoming important householders and taking a prominent place in the social life of New York, where Washington Morion achieved some distinction at the bar. [pg 202-4].

A few posts about Washington Morton, x

[18thcentury]

Catherine Van Rensselaer Schuyler 1734-1803

Wife of General Philip John Schuyler

Artist: Thomas McIlworth

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[chloerie]

Gertrude: In my defense I was left unsupervised.

Phillip Schuyler: Wasn't Kitty with you?

Cat VR Schuyler: In my defense I was also left unsupervised.

7 Year old Elizabeth: You all are literal children and I’m a child.

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Gertrude: What did you do with Cat’s body?

Phillip Schuyler: What didn’t I do with the body?

Gertrude:

Phillip Schuyler: Okay that sounded more sexual than I intended. I disposed of the corpse respectfully.

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*The squad is having dinner together*

Gertrude: Phillip can you pass the salt?

Phillip(Schuyler): *Throws Cat VR Schuyler across the table*

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Modern AU!Gertrude driving(I realized she was 9yo older than Philip and ten years older than Cat VR so she’s 24)13 and 12 year old respectively Phillip Schuyler and Cat VR: So how was your day?

Phillip Schuyler pumping the air: We almost got surprise adopted!

Gertrude: What?

Cat VR Schuyler: We almost got kidnapped.

Gertrude: Oh okay.

Gertrude: *slams on the breaks* WAIT WHAT?!

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Cat VR Schuyler: Phillip and I don’t use pet names.

Gertrude: I see. Hey what do bees make?

Cat VR Schuyler: Honey?

Phillip Schuyler: Yes dear?

Gertrude:

Gertrude: Don't ever lie to my face again.

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Gertrude: Phillip what do IDK LY and TTYL mean?

Phillip Schuyler: I don’t know love you and talk to you later

Gertrude: Ok I love you too I’ll just ask Cat

[dearestcorrespondence]

Elizabeth Hamilton to Catharine Cochran, The Grange, Harlem Heights, [October 25, 1819]

The Grange, Harlem Heights, Oct. 25th, 1819.

My Dear Sister I am happy to be able to inform you in confidence, that I shall have a prospect soon of seeing my dear husband's life in the press. The writter is very anxious to have domestic anecdotes; indeed anything illustrative of his character. I know the pleasure that you will take in grating my request, and beg you will on receiving this, make a memorandum of all your recollections of him_

The writer wishes to know, his appearance when first known_ his manner_ habits and peculiarities_ instances of his benevolence_ any facts connected with his first appearance at the Bar_ & most particularly, anecdotes even of the most trifling description_ circumstances when he left the army_ also when in the Legislatures (?) in ‘86 at Albany. Also incidents in 1782 while studving law at Albany_ style of conversation_ and indeed everything which will illustrate the elasticity of his mind, variety of his knowledge, playfulness of his wit, excellence of his heart, firmness, forbearance, virtues, &c. As the work is very nearly completed, it is very much my wish to receive from you an answer to these inquiries as soon as you can prepare it; and I must beg you will sit down day after day for a short time and endeavor to tax your memory. He has heard that your observation is very acute, and your recollections when exerted on a subject of this interest, very accurate and full_

Eliz(th) Hamilton

May every blessing be yours is the prayer of your Affectionate sister

[catharinavanrenss]

We’re reading Lolita in English this year(I need to do my homework) and SO many of my classmates think the narrator is a reliable narrator. Like Amelia, HE IS A PEDO. He is an unreliable narrator!!! He is a legal adult in a relationship with a girl my younger sister’s age!!!!!

some of you guys when the unreliable narrator is in fact unreliable

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