#Parapines Pinescone

[ghostnskulls]

They’re little boyfriends

[amildlyspookydeer]

im still saying this btw

its finally october, you know what time it is! [cracks knuckles and googles pinescone and parapines]

[colorfullyminded]

TLDR

Okay I cannot believe I'm about to go off like this, but this has been bothering me for awhile, and it's only making me more spiteful. I have been enjoying the influx of Billford art lately. Amazing, great wonderful. What I have Not been enjoying, is the absolute vitriol the Billdip fans have been getting since the influx of TBOB. I was a billdip shipper for awhile. Hell I was a billdip shipper when I was a Parapines shipper-- I liked shipping Dipper with boys. I was also like 14 or 15 at the time. Obviously, if you follow me now, you'll probably notice what my main ship for Dipper is. I grew out of Billdip, and moved on to Pinescone. I have been shipping Pinescone for 10 years. However, not once did I go around saying "Lol, glad I matured and became a better person and shipped something healthier", nor did I post in the billdip tag, condeming people for a fictional ship! And saying mine was better because it was less problematic.

"I'm really glad people stopped shipping Bill and Dipper together. Bill is a 1000 year old triangle demon, and Dipper is 13--" Stop. Repeat what you just said.

"Bill is 1000 year old triangle--"

Repeat that last word to me. "....triangle?" TRIANGLE! I'm sorry what?! This ship is already completely wild enough. You're getting mad at this fictional age gap-- AND BILL IS A FUCKING SHAPE! A FUCKING SHAPE! This ship was weird from the moment GO! And Billford isn't any better. IT'S STILL A SHIP WITH A FUCKING SHAPE! And you're going to sit on your high horse and look down on the Billdip community. On top of it-- they have an age gap too! Bill is still thousands of years old or whatever-- however long it's been, who knows? And Ford was in his 20s or so when he met Bill. That's still a huge, ridiculous age gap-- that Bill could easily use and manipulate; which he did....and then also caught feelings and became a sad ex, but that's beside the point~ Both of these ships are still insane. And again, the bigger thing I think people are just ignoring about these ships--is that Bill is a TRIANGLE! THREE LINES CONNECTED TOGETHER! And this is the hill you're going to die on? ...Cause apparently it's mine. First of all-- as many people pointed out-- Ford Pines did not exist until the second half of the final season. People couldn't ship Fordbill because there wasn't any Ford to introduce.

"Well, even before Ford, I never shipped Billdip! I always disliked it." ...Okay, that's totally fine. Not everyone needs to like or agree on the same ship. Lord knows there's probably people who don't really care for Pinescone either. There's a lot of popular ships that I can't stand. But I'm don't go into a ship tag I don't like, screaming to a void for self validation. I don't go around mocking other people for ships that they had in 2014-- or even still today! It doesn't matter! I did that when I was a kid-- and then realized that was rude, and it was better to just ignore the ships I didn't like and enjoy the ones that made me happy. And grow a community of kind, like minded friends. And listen, I am all for safe spaces and being able to block things that make you uncomfortable. I am not saying people who find the BillDip ship uncomfortable to be idiots or babies or overly sensitive-- or anything like that. I think if something makes you uncomfortable, that is okay and I think it's perfectly fine to blacklist a tag that you don't want to see. I also think it's imperative that people tag things as accurately as they can so people looking at your work can know if one of your pieces has a thing that they don't like-- and therefore can avoid. What I don't appreciate is the fanhate for this ship that is sprouting up like weeds. You can not like something, you can be disgusted by it (I have my Gravity Falls ships I can not stand, nor do I feel comfortable with), but attacking real people for a FICTIONAL SHIP-- two characters who are drawings on a piece of paper and can not be affected mentally, physically or emotionally by fanwork; who still retain the same shape after everything we put them through-- to the point that you send death threats, or threaten to Doxx, or just harass relentlessly, I have always found that more childish and disgusting. You are causing real world pain to people. Me fucking up Dipper Pines is not going to do anything to him-- because he doesn't actually exist. He's a cartoon character. I could squash him and stretch him in Wonka's taffy machine--- I could throw him mock speed at a wall and watch him explode on impact-- but he still exists. He's not dead; I can pick him up and dust him off, and If I wanted-- I could decide that eh, 'Not a scratch on him'. And I'd be right. Because he is a cartoon character, and I am just a fangirl. I can not change anything about him-- I have no ability to make anything I headcanon canon. And even if I was the original artist-- it doesn't change the fact that Dipper would still be nothing more than a creation. A construct of shapes; he can not be hurt or traumatized in a way that leads to real life consequences-- because he is not real. I am not a cartoon character. My friends are not cartoon characters. Artist and Writers who stay in their lane...are not cartoon characters. If you hurt us...it will linger. It will leave a scar. If you can not tell the difference between Fiction and Reality, then I think maybe media might be too much to handle-- and I think you need to really reevaluate yourself.

And just to vent some other things that i keep seeing that are frustrating: You can't claim the twins are only 13-- and then on August 31st go "Happy 20-something Birthday Mabel and Dipper!" And then proceed to drop a picture of them as adults. Well which is it? Do they age or not? Because Gravity Falls showed them canonically aging. If you think the twins age-- then you can't suddenly turn around and go, 'no you can't ship them-- Dipper is a child!' but you drew him as an adult. So sorry, it looks like you can't draw the twins grown up anymore. You claimed they're 13, so better draw them 13 forever--. Aged up stories and works exist for a reason, especially for a fan who grew up on the series. The characters might have grown up alongside them. It's not unlikely for a person to ship Billdip when Dipper is much older.

And on that note, for people who are like 'well older billdip is fine-- it's just people shipping him during the show that deserve to die.' Okay... and like I said, this rant is coming from a recent influx of Billford shippers spitting on Billdip shippers. You know? The TOXIC Old Man Yaoi!

You're still shipping something that is problematic. You are still shipping something twisted and wrong. And I am not judging you. I am here for this divorced arc. I am thriving. But you can't just pick and choose what is and isn't okay. And let me first off explain; if there is something that personally triggers you about a toxic ship, and you want to avoid that-- again, perfectly understandable. Perfectly reasonable. You are the makers of your content space. And I am not judging anyone for that. I want people to be safe. I want people to have a good time in fandom spaces. I want people to not have to deal with the things that upset them or frighten them, or disgust them. But you can not say one is fine, and one is not. They're both bad! They're both toxic. In real life, these ships would both be charged with serious crimes! And yes, there are some crimes that are worse than others, and if you asked me what I thought was more problematic-- I'd say Billdip-- but both of these ships are extreme, and severe in their problematic content. You are still consuming problematic content. If it's a personal thing, that's fine; avoid it. But don't sit there throwing stones from your glass house.

[jkl-fff]

Do you have many ships? (Can be OCs, media characters, and not even necessarily romantic, could be fraternat too as ship stands for "rlationship") if so, can you name some examples and why you like them? (also, remember to note if the're romantic, platonic, or whatever they are!)

Many? Not really, I wouldn't say so. But they do tend to boil down to "two weird dorks who are gay for each other, but still able to be sarcastic about it". It makes for fun interactions and fun adventures, which is crucial to a good story. And it can be hot and kinky when I'm in the mood for that.

Examples include ParaPines (Dipper Pines from "Gravity Falls" and Norman Babcock from "ParaNorman") and PinesCone (Dipper and Wirt from "Over the Garden Wall"). Or SeriRei (Serizawa and Reigen from "Mob Psycho 100"). The Protagonist of Persona 5 with basically any or all of the boys (Ryuji Sakamoto, Yuuki Mishima, Yusuke Kitagawa, Goro Akechi ... or even with Dr Maruki despite the age difference). Those are all the major ones that I'll specifically go looking for art and fics of on a semi-regular basis. Though there are plenty more that I enjoy in a more passive way, and am delighted to come across when I do.

Thanks!

[grunkletony]

Parapines

     I like parapines, I think Norman and Dipper make a cute couple.  The thing is I think Norman and Dipper are stand-ins for characters we haven’t met yet.  Norman is a horror movie fan and a natural medium.  Dipper is a conspiracy theorist with a grimoire.  Parapines could go as either a conspiracy-horror story or as a boys love urban fantasy.  I lean toward the boys love urban fantasy.

     So, who are the characters that Norman and Dipper represent, and where are they living?  The place that springs to mind for me is the Ohio-Pennsylvania border; south of Orangeville, Ohio and north of Ohioville, Pennsylvania.  Folktales from both Ohio and Pennsylvania shape the boy’s experiences.  This isn’t the only place of course.  I expect there to be hundreds of Parapines couples out there, not just in the United States but around the world.

     About the boys themselves.  I imagine my Norman character to be 11, years old, the youngest of four brothers.  I call him Charles Haddock.  His brothers are Edward age 15, George age 18, and James age 21.  Charles was the ringbearer at his brother James’ wedding.  James and his wife Hellen are expecting their first child.  Charles’ paternal grandmother also saw and talked to spirits.  After she died last year his abilities began to increase.  His uncle Paul Greenway (61) got him copies of “How to be a Psychic” by Michael R. Hathaway and “The Witch’s Book of Spirits” by Devin Hunter and is trying to help Charles control his abilities.

     My Dipper character is Avery Frost, age 11.  The Frost family has been active in both AMORC and the Woodcraft Way since the 1920′s.  Avery is the 4th generation in his family to participate.  Avery has two older sisters Grace, age 17, and Kelly age 14.  Avery’s father is 1st cousin to Paul Greenway and Ann Greenway Haddock (57), meaning that Charles Haddock and Avery Frost are 2nd cousins.  Charles and Avery were both born on August 10th and grew up celebrating their birthdays together.  Although they are actually 1st cousins once removed Avery calls Paul Greenway Uncle Paul.  Paul got Avery two books for his 11th birthday as well; “Charms, Spells and Formulas” by Ray T. Malbrough and “The Temple of Shamanic Witchcraft” by Christopher Penczack.

     Charles and Avery are frequent visitors to Uncle Paul’s home.  Two books they read often and try to put into practice are “The Tree of Ecstasy” by Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki and “The Power of Praying Together” by Stormie Omartian with Jack Hayford.  When they pray together the boys face each other with fingers interlaced and begin their prayer: “David and Johnathan, Jesus and John”.  Last Halloween the boys talked Uncle Paul into taking them out trick or treating dressed as Grunkle Stan from Gravity Falls while Charles went out dressed as Norman and Avery went out dressed as Dipper.

     The boys moved into Uncle Pauls house in April when the schools closed early because of the pandemic.  Both of the boys have family members working as grocery store clerks and their parents think they’ll be safer at Paul’s place than at home.

     Uncle Paul Greenway age 61, is the oldest of four siblings.  His three sisters are Ellen 60, Ann 57, and Jane 52.  when Paul was a teenager back in the 70′s there was a fad for combining Pennsylvania Dutch Powwow with Hawaiian Magic.  Paul was part of that movement combining John George Hohman’s “Pow-wows or, the Long-lost Friend” with “Hawaiian Magic” by Clark Wilkerson.  Unlike many of his peers Paul listened to Pow-wow elders when they said “healing is a gift from God and you can’t serve both God and Mammon”, and has never charged for a healing, thus he has kept his pow-wow powers over the decades.

      During the 80′s Paul earned a bachelor’s degree in acconting witha minor in art history.  He also expanded his magical practice with “Practical Egyptian Magic” by Murry Hope and “Helping Yourself With White Witchcraft: by Al G. Manning.  After graduating he got a job as a bookkeeper.  He read a copy of “Money is my Friend” by Phil Laut from the public library and has followed the advice to: “save 5%; invest 20%; spend less than the rest’ ever since.  It has worked out very well for him.  Paul has been investing in intermediate bond funds.  When his savings reach $12,000 he rolls $10,000 into an income annuity.

     During the 90′s Paul took the exam to become a certified public accountant.  He also expanded his magical practice with “Magical Gateways” by Alan Richardson and “The Occult Christ” by Ted Andrews.  He also bought a five bedroom ranch house, with two baths, a fireplace and a walk-in pantry in an estate sale.

     In the 00′s Paul became a notary.  He expanded his magical practice with “Witchcraft and the Shamanic Journey” by Kenneth Johnson and “Secrets of the Magical Grimoirs” by Aaron Leitch.  He also read the library copy of “Jesus Last of the Great Pharaohs” by Ralph Ellis but couldn’t decide if it was useful or not.

     In the 10′s Paul expanded his magical practice with “The Red Church” by C. R. Bilardi and “The Tree of Enchantment” by Orion Foxwood.

     In January of 2020 Paul was forced into early retirement through office politics.  He has added “Conjuring Harriet “Mama Moses” Tubman and the Spirits of the Underground Railroad” by Witchdoctor Utu to his practice. The boys are trying to talk him into beekeeping and raising chickens.

     Paul does not believe that the Bible is the word of God.  He does believe that YHVH is one God among many.  For him the Bible is a useful tool.  Paul has read the library copies of “Draw the Circle” by Mark Batterson and “Dreamways of the Iroquois” by Robert Moss, and firmly believes in prayer and dreams to guide the boys in applying the Bible to life.  He does not have any faith in the seminaries.  Family, neighbors, former co-workers and anyone who calls on him to pow-wow for them describes his faith as Folk Christian Fanaticism

     Paul is not impressed with zoom classrooms and has asked that the boys’ teachers send him a prospectus so he can make sure the boys are keeping up with their studies. Many parents in the surrounding area agree with him.

     For Pinescone fans I include the following option.  My Wirt character is Winston Pines age 14, born March 31.  Winston had a traumatizing near death experience last year.  Winston did not see visions of light and helping relatives, but instead found himself in the hands of malevolent entities.  Paul explained to him and his parents that the place he had his accident in was a sprite sink where malevolent spirits gather together and that mere virtue will not protect someone in a place like that.  Paul has gifted Winston with copies of “Christian Wicca” by Nancy Chandler Pittman and “Betwixt & Between” by Storm Fairywolf and is helping him work through them.  Winston’s parents allowed him to move in with Paul after Charles and Avery moved in, too help Paul manage the younger boys, so they said.  Paul pow-wowed for both of Winston’s parents when they themselves were children as well as for Winston when he was younger.

[venus-thunks]

The URGE to roleplay parapines or pinescone is so fucking strong

[boyduroy]

Who's more paranoid?

Dipper

Wirt

They are both equally anxious and get one another stuck into an endless loop of anxiety

[kuraidesuraven16]

Wirt and Norman having to hold dipper back after fighting a guy who decided to hurt his sister

I forgot to fix it but dipper is yelling at a guy saying “ you are a coward! How dare you hurt Mabel!”

That’s why most twins are known as double trouble. You hurt one of them, the other will fight back

[dirt-grub]

SORRY i keep babbling but i love how crossover-able gravity falls is. like any weird shit could roll up to town and they’d be like yep same shit as always

[arithedingas]

guys I’m gonna make a gravity falls crossover ship alignment chart here are the pairings i’ve thought of so far

stanchez

dibper

pinescone

parapines

dibxmabel (whatever their ship name is)

I need 4 more pairings anyone got suggestions?

[siodymph]

This has been several years coming but I think it's finally time to ask a controversial question, GF fandom... Parapines or Pinescone?

[colorfullyminded]

Omg I LOVE your pinescone stories they give me life :3 I have a few questions is you don’t mind

What is your favorite pinescone head cannon?

What is your favorite au?

Which one’s your least?

I saw that you used to write parapines is that still a ship that you write about or will is forever be in your heart?

In a zombie apocalypse how do you think the Pines family including Wendy and Soos etc (+ Wirt & Greg) would go about it? Who would survive?

That’s all the questions I have for now :3

((Thank you so much! I'm so glad you enjoy my writing! It means the world to me. And yes, please feel free to ask any question you have.))

1. My number 1 headcanon is that they are equals-- that even with their strengths and weaknesses, their differences, they both value each other so dearly; to the point you almost forget that they're a crossover ship because of how much these two complete each other. And by that I mean, the two look at each other like the other is the moon and the stars. If these two aren't hopelessly in love and amazed by their partner, I don't want it! I hate when Wirt is forced to be in the back, or is made weaker and more cowardly by the narrative; I hate the concept of Wirt being just a pretty face for Dipper to save, or that anything Wirt can do-- Dipper does better. I don't mind Dipper saving Wirt, I don't mind Wirt being cautious or uncertain, or even afraid-- but I love when Wirt gets to be heroic too (because he is). I love seeing him excel at the things he's good at, and I think he brings strategy to the team dynamic that is not utilized enough; Wirt is the guy who's going to notice Dipper's blindspots and point them out to better strengthen the plan. I love when they both get to be sassy; their personalities would give them such good banter to bounce off each other. They are both adorable, dorky, emotional, but also very hotheaded and stubborn characters. There are few ships where I feel like any direction you go is canonical because of how multifaceted they are as characters (that's not to say I agree or like all of directions, but I can at least acknowledge why that decision was made). Wirt doesn't always have to be the one held up by sticky tape! Out of all the bad end friends-- Wirt is the only one I've see that canonically did not fall for a demon's trick. He never got posessed, he never made a deal, he wasn't tricked--if anything, he actually called the bluff of said Demon (something that Dipper failed the first time) when he was like 14 years old. I want to see more of that in my pinescone. The idea that Wirt would be so easily tricked by Bill just doesn't sit right with me. It never has.

Another headcanon I'm more in favor of: Dipper can cook (I know a lot of people have headcanoned him as the bad cook between him and Mabel, and between him and Wirt-- but he's literally the guy who follows steps and checklist-- what do you mean he doesn't know how to use a cookbook?

If anything, Mabel is the wildcard who can either make something really delicious....or put you in the hospital for food poisoning. You'll notice in my more recent fics the...monstrosities Mabel has loving created in the kitchen, and that she's even been banned from one kitchen before.

So yeah, Dipper can cook, Wirt can cook--and I love the idea of these two cooking together. I have others, but some are a little more risque, and this is already going to be a long ask, so I won't write everything down-- but here are two of my big headcanons (One was more a rant, apologies). 2. My favorite au, I don't wanna sound pretentious, but most Pinescone Au's I enjoy are the ones I've made for myself-- I have a lot of ideas, and so I think up a lot of situations with these dorks, though most are just free floating in my brain right now. Eventually I want to write them all down, but that may take some time. The closest Pinescone au that I enjoy that isn't mine is a mix of monsterfalls/Musume. Basically where Wirt is a human and he falls in love with Deerper-- and the two have to navigate that kind of relationship while certain laws and societal norms want to dissaude them from forming an interspecial relationship (even though in monsterfalls, most people became monsters from other means, rather than just being born monsters) Either way, the idea of Deerper snuggling up to a human Wirt and flirting through Cervitaur mating rituals is so fucking cute-- and I have wanted to write a small series story for that au. Also, just a shout out, but I enjoy @clubsheartsspades Pinescone meet-weirds! Those are such fun aus-- they've made for some of my personal favorite oneshots!

Also, even though they just started, I'm really enjoying that Au where the two start off on the wrong foot in "Horrible First Impressions" by Philia. I want those two to fuck nasty make out in their creative writing class! The tension is so good, and I can't wait to see the turning point where frustration becomes affection. 3. My least favorite au might be more clear-- as you'll notice a lack of two specific....villains in most of my fiction. Basically, Dead Ends Friends, but specifically Murder Husbands is on my low list of au's. To me, Bill and Beast are defeated; I rather the story revolve around Dipper and Wirt facing new challenges and deadly foes-- not the same one's they took care of as children. I don't mind if people like using Bill or Beast (they're great, entertaining villains, I get why people love them). I even love a lot of the art that involves Bipper and Weast; it's amazing art as usual. But I don't consider either aus to be Pinescone-- as it's just Bill and The Beast inhabiting their bodies. I'd enjoy it more if I could see glimpses of Dipper and Wirt in some moments, where they're allowed to take comfort and fall in love before their bodies are once more puppeted by the demons. If the story is just beast and bill doing fucked up things in their host-- with no shift to the real people underneath-- then It's not really what I want to read. I don't mind possession stories, or one being controlled-- I don't mind some darker content (Proxxy is an old Pinescone fic that is still very sexy and fucked-- and it involves Bill possessing Wirt... but the thing is, Wirt doesn't just take a back seat; his thoughts are still being shown to the audience. We still get to know what he's thinking and feeling, even when he has no control over his body). That kind of shit, now that I love. But again, Bill and Beast are NOT Dipper and Wirt to me.

4. Parapines has a soft spot in my heart, but I have moved on from the ship entirely. I made a joke about it once:

(Which again, it's just a joke but it does feel like thousands of years have passed). In all seriousness, I don't think I'll be coming back to the Parapines fandom. I think I once wanted to do a fic where Dipper and Wirt broke up, and for the summer, Dipper started dating Norman, before making up with Wirt again, as a kind of farewell, final sendoff to my old ship. I never finished it, but who knows, I still have the rough draft. I have a lot of WIPS I keep just in case I wanna come back and finish (you'd be surprised how many of my fics were wips for years before I posted them to ao3). 5. In a zombie apocalypse? They all would. We saw the pines family + Wendy and Soos survive a demon apocolypse, I think they can take on a zombie apocalypse as well. Wirt and Greg would be more beat up and worse for wear, but I imagine they could hold their own, until they met up with the Pines Family (though I had one zombie au but that's a different story). Now if they were all separated, or at least how would they stand on their own? Here's what I think (I'll try not to get too graphic): Dipper- Either survives/ Holds out for a long time, but would likely sacrifice himself to save someone he loves--Zombied Mabel- Either Survives/ (If Dipper dies) she would lose hope and probably fall prey to a bite--Zombied Soos- Zombied Stan- Survives / (If both twins Zombied) he would lose hope and be zombied next Ford- Survives Wendy- Survives Pacifica- Zombied Wirt- Would try to hold out if protecting Greg, though may also take his and Greg's life to spare them both. (Self Inflicted). Greg- (If he's young) Zombied without Wirt/ possibly mercy killed by Wirt (if he's an adult): Survives, though heavily traumatized. Maybe having lost a limb to stop a bite from spreading. ((Thank you so much for the ask, I appreciated this so much! Wow this was a lot and I'm so happy <3 I love receiving asks about these two!))

[jkl-fff]

Hey Jkl-fff, i remember seeing you around in previous fandoms and you haven't lost your spark and personality ^^ Do you still like "Parapinescone" ?? (Wirt + Dipper + Norman)

Thank you kindly, I try!

And I am very much still a fan. ParaPines remains the OTP of OTPs with PinesCone being a close second (love me those dorky, awkward boys in love and also in paranormal shenanigans), so ParaPinesCone is also a treat. A rarer one these days, unfortunately, but such is the way of fandoms and the passage of time.

At least there's no shortage of other cute boy pairings on this site (especially since cute boys can also include, y'know, burly and middle-aged men).

Thanks again for the ask!

[iusedteabag]

Be straight with me

Friend: I'll need you to be straight with me

Me: I'll be right bi you

Friend: Fuck you

[jkl-fff]

My Brain: Heh! Kinda looks like the Hobbity character and the boys are all staring at each other in shock. And the Hobbity one is all like, “... dude, what kinda weed did Gandalf sell me?”

sticky note doodles I found