#Orv spoilers

[orphiclovers]

doksoo week day 1: flowers / gift giving / regrets

I don't have time to do the rest but I thought I could do at least one day to show my support for y'all

[writemeverything]

Doksoo week DAY 2: first meeting(?)

[purrfectlycontent]

it’s doksoo week and i’m thinking of how the endless loop starts and ends with kdj on a hospital bed and hsy looking over him

[inksidze]

worldline

[alex-of-1000-dumbasseries]

Tags from @boksandberries because they pass peer review. I think the primary difference between the suicidality of kdj as opposed to yjh is that they're both seen from Dokja's perspective. Dokja's suicidality viewed from outside is very different - in the webtoon for example the visuals of him becoming the dkos are grand and have a flair for the dramatic. He is shown either smiling or having the same grim look as Yoo Joonghyuk. Meanwhile, Junghyook's main story is literally the Hell of Eternity - he's obviously miserable and in pain as well, but the regressions mean he literally can have neither anyone to consistently rely on nor a chance for escape in death.

For Dokja, the webnovel - the idea that he can escape, if only into his mind - is all that he has preventing him from killing himself. For Yoo Joonghyuk, the hope that he can change the world - the idea that he can escape the cycle by reaching the top - is all that is preventing him from breaking down and begging his sponsor not to activate the regression when he dies. They're so similar, but just the change in perspective makes a massive difference as to whether the fandom keeps the suicidality around in post-canon fics. It's so tragic because it's directly caused by how in the real world the idea of suicide is so heavy for the individual but so hard to see in others.

But the story also leans into this idea and leads the viewers to that conclusion as well. Dokja gets his escapist power fantasy almost immediately, and then the rest of the story is him showing over and over that he still has the tendency to kill himself and leave everyone behind so that the others might live. Yoo Joonghyuk only gets his freedom at the end, and we don't see much of his reaction to it because after a bit he leaves everyone behind and is only coerced back when he has the opportunity to go on a life-threatening mission so that someone might live. But for Yoo Joonghyuk, this instance is covered by the idea that he might be so used to his old world that he could not adapt to the new one, as if Dokja were not also suicidal in both worlds.

thinking about the differences between kim dokja's and yoo joonghyuk's suicidality. kim dokja's suicidality is one specifically designed to be familiar to the reader - he's miserable, he's in pain, he feels as though he's got no one to rely on and no prospects and really the world would be better off without him at all. it's a painfully common story, isn't it. yoo joonghyuk's suicidality by contrast is largely incredibly fantastical. suicide is basically his super power, and he never does it because he wants to die, it's always because he simply believes it'll put him in a better position than he currently is in. his regressions are definitely a type of death, both literally and figuratively - its a life he's given up on - but its never a true end. it's why i think so many modern aus will keep kim dokja's canon suicidal ideation to some extent but often drop yoo joonghyuk's completely. why would yoo joonghyuk kill himself if he wasn't regressing, after all?

but there are instances where yoo joonghyuk does express a more realistic suicidal ideation. first, in the 1863rd round, where he's sick of living and simply wants it to be over. second, in the pseudo-epilogue, where he believes that there's no longer a point to his existence and thus wants it to end. both are driven by the same thing, ultimately, i think - he's lost sight of his purpose. yoo joonghyuk isn't the type to continue living simply for the small pleasures in life - he would never have been able to cling to the updates of a favourite webnovel, for example, because he's simply not built to consider that enough. this contrasts with kim dokja, for whom small pleasures (or this one small pleasure, to be specific) is all he's got.

i don't really have a point here. just thinking about how on the surface kim dokja and yoo joonghyuk are both willing to die very easily, with their suicides often paralleling or influencing the other, but that suicidality ultimately comes from opposite ends of a spectrum. clinging to a small comfort vs seeking out a grand purpose. a lack of care for yourself vs the idea that you alone matter - you alone must save the world. etc etc.

[rroechan]

Growing up with the Oldest Dream (ft. some others)

my work for the Thema zine that I've been reblogging here n there

Out Now !! Get the zine free here !!!

Or only read the accompanying fic here !!! (it'll add some adorable context to these pieces)

Lil details

[coolguyoninternet]

The light.

[orv-random-quotes]

day 22 - joongdok surfboard

Yoo Joonghyuk then powerfully threw Kim Dokja forward, but also stepped on the latter's back - and they began scything past the storm as if he was surfing the waves.

[genesisguidline]

[featherstorm2004]

Ok so from what I understand of this situation is that Asmodeus is this guys baby daddy.

Left him to raise that child for years alone and owes him a shit ton of child support.

Well at least we know Mpreg is cannon in ORV now I guess lol

[orainjii]

Can I just point out how Sooyoung is actually good with kids. Gilyoung forgives her and jokes around with her in good humor same with Yoosung. And her taking care of Yoo Mia after Joonghyuk goes to space. She works as professor in college. Her students loves her. I just like how well-adjusted she is despite bs she been through. It such testament of the cycle ending with her despite growing up not having good adult role models. She is rough in the edges but overall a reliable adult. What more can you say.

[millytherat]

Made my friend start reading ORV by rambling about how theres an old man that gets pregnant

[writemeverything]

Doksoo week DAY 1: gift giving(?)

“I think, the entire world is someone’s creation. Perhaps, it could be a Christmas present.”

[guess-that-ship]

Congratulations to when the man-eating monsters are the least of your problems!

The identity of Lemon Candy is...

Kim Dokja and Han Sooyoung from Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint!

Thank you for your submission!

S13: Badly Describe Your Ship Round 3

Lemon Candy

cw: spoilers

Webnovel author writes a book SO BAD that a guy leaves hate comments on it every day for his entire life and they develop the most toxic parasocial relationship known to man. The second they meet irl they are literally at each others' throat every chance they get and kill each other multiple times, but at the end of the day no one understands them like they understand each other.

when the man-eating monsters are the least of your problems

cw: yandere character

A loser musician managed to nab himself a yandere girlfriend AND a yandere boyfriend. Now the survival of like 10 people hinges on how well he can manage his way-too-prone-to-murdering-everyone polycule. Oh, also the man-eating monsters are there, but they are honestly less of a threat than those two

[hehearse]

[randomgarbagecan]

has this been done before? I mean, spoilers for the demon realm arc