#Naturei Karta

[stupidjewishwhiteboy]

For those gentiles tempted to portray the Naturei Karta as “the True Jews” because of their anti-Israel stance, let me as a Jewish person just state flat out that You. Do. Not. Get. To. Do. That. As a non-Jew you do not have the right to dictate who is and is not Jewish, and I’m not kidding when I say asserting that right is blatantly antisemitic

And for the antizionist Jews who would do that but don’t agree on anything else with the Naturei Karta, I find your opinions…suspicious

[weemietime]

Tell me, what do you think of people who believe Jews would be safe not having a homeland until the Messiah comes?

I'm indifferent, especially as a lot of those people actually literally live in Israel. Personally I think it's a pretty huge shanda the way a lot of them are now bring forced into conscription, and conscription itself is a major chillul hashem. So I have a lot of sympathy for them, in a general way.

To me it depends on how they're actually handling what is happening. It's one thing to believe that yeah, maybe Jews will never be truly safe until Moshiach comes - but quite another to use these beliefs to justify kicking Jews out of Israel (or outright advocating for Israeli Jews to die) right now (especially as an Israeli citizen, lol).

Some of them probably are veering into antisemitic territory, the NK comes to mind with their regurgitation of blood libel and Nazi rhetoric, and unfortunately antisemitic goyim tend to use those guys as some kind of token Good Jew, which is unfortunate for everybody.

Jews definitely are not a monolith though and I do think it is possible to hold this religious belief and still understand the reality of the situation in the Middle East, and to at the very least not be spreading gibberish about Zios controlling the world, or whatever else.

[cyb0rg-bby]

Orthodox Jews burn Israeli flag during Lag B’Omer, May 13 2017

[grecoromanyaoi]

i cant b arsed to find my post abt how judaism/islam r normal complex religions and not a “moral” alternative 2 xtianity but it’s insane how many leftists will push the ‘enemy of my enemy is my friend’ agenda 2 include and by that not only excusing but encouraging actual dangerous religious extremists like naturei karta and literally al qaeda like bitch. these people hate you. they want you d e a d. religious fanatics r not ur friends in the struggle against The Western World

[dominousworld]

NATUREI KARTA: I GUARDIANI DEL VERO GIUDAISMO

NATUREI KARTA: I GUARDIANI DEL VERO GIUDAISMO

a cura di Vincenzo Di Maio Neturei Karta ( aramaico : נָטוֹרֵי קַרְתָּא nāṭōrē qartāʾ , lett.  ‘Guardiani della città’) è un gruppo religioso di ebrei Haredi fondato a Gerusalemme nel 1938 dopo essersi separato da Agudat Yisrael . È un attivo oppositore del sionismo e sostiene uno “smantellamento pacifico” dello Stato di Israele nella convinzione che al popolo ebraico sia severamente…

[spot-the-antisemitism]

https://www.tumblr.com/rebel-girl-queen-of-my-world/760557874159173632?source=share

"You see Jews are not allowed to define what antisemitism is. I, enlightened gentile, also have to participate. Otherwise that's racist against Arabs"

Paraphrasing of course, but what the hell is this argument? You don't get to define what offends other people. Especially when you are trying to gaslight said people into thinking blood libel is constructive criticism.

"(((They))) are trying to silence Jews who disagree with them"

There is an interesting implication when original poster claims views of "wrong" Jews are being silenced. It brings lot of totalitarian imagery into how OP sees Zionist Jews. Also nicely vague. Who are the "wrong" Jews? JVP? Naturei Karta? Black Hebrews? Token Jewish friends that support their view on Gaza war?

"People being called antisemitic are as big of a victim as Jews being affected by antisemitic behavior"

You can't make this shit up. To OP, person getting called out for spreading misinformation is as big of a victim as Jewish person getting harassed by a mob. And there is a nice canard at the end about Jews controlling the world.

"That's why we need to discuss and define antisemitism together, but (((they))) don't want that"

It seems OP is butthurt about consequences of their own actions. Now instead of reflecting on his behavior, they want to change the definition of antisemitism. And another world domination canard.

"Antisemitism should be defined through progressive lens"

Imagine telling any other race or ethnic group that they shouldn't be allowed to define what offends them and it should be defined by privileged progressive living ocean away, who had minimal contact with their culture. After the whole Speedy Gonzalez fiasco, you'd think they'd learn their lesson, but clearly not. Also there seems to be "I'm leftist, I can't be racist" grift present here.

Based on this tweets, to me it seems OP is progressive activist, butthurt for getting called out. To hide they are butthurt, they threw a buzzword soup which amounts to basically "Akchually, I'm not antisemitic, calling someone antisemitic without their consent is bigotry."

Person posting it spams their blog with seemingly scammy fundraisers and constantly accuses Israel of every crime imaginable. Hell, even in tags Israel is accused of being genocidal terrorist state.

Overall, typical output of your average "antizionist" activist.

thank for doing my job for me anon!

[jewishvitya]

A lot of the anti-zionist Haredi Jews you see being posted about online are from Naturei Karta. I won't be sharing them, because Naturei Karta's support of Palestine is... it kind of reminds me of Christian Evangelical support of Israel. They believe that the nation of Israel shouldn't exist until the Mashiach gets here and takes over with a holy war. It's not about the rights of Palestinians to be on their lands. It's about how the "End of Days" is supposed to go according to their faith.

[lemonsvanilla]

Nei and Lucky.

The son of Beny, Different beliefs but still one family, not part of Super Wings but still one universe with Super Wings,They still have a relationship with Super Wings because Astra and Zoey are both their mothers.

Lucky is from the Soviet Union but he moved his citizenship in Alaska.

And Nei he comes from two countries that are still at war, but don't worry because he is anti Zionist and he is Naturei Karta.

Beny: I know this is not logic, but I so much love my son, Nei and Lucky They are my legacy.

[antifainternational]

Not the same anon, but your fourth link about orthodox Jews in Israel does include Naturei Karta

Yeah, that story about Orthodox Jews' relationship to Israel does mention them. It doesn't link to them. Original anon said we linked to them. We appreciate the heads-up about them (although maybe being specific about why a group is problematic & including links to evidence is better practice?), but we didn't link to them.

[aristotels]

Please don’t post photos of or support Naturei Karta. They are an extremely small sect of Judaism (2-3000 adherents) that believes the land of Israel will one day be ‘returned’ to the Jews through divine intervention - this includes the removal of Palestinians by God. Their issue with Israel is not the crimes against humanity, but the perceived slight against God’s plan. They also believe that the Holocaust was a punishment for European Jews straying from biblical law, and are deeply xenophobic. I get that it’s tempting to reblog “stereotypical” looking Jews that claim to be anti Zionist, but these people are not for true liberation (as many, many Jews are).

oooh never heard abt them, ty for the info, idk what this is abt since im in the hospital so im half-aware of everything but good to know in general 👍

[stupidjewishwhiteboy]

Antizionist types challenge to not use Naturei Karta or JVP as evidence for Jewish support for their positions, difficulty: apparently fucking impossible

[kryptic-krab]

naturei karta sucks ass and i wish they werent chosen to be platformed on antizionistic jews but. yk

[grecoromanyaoi]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I only just heard of the naturei karta and only have the Wikipedia page to go off of - what’s the reason they’re like the Al-qaeda?

i didnt mean theyre on the same level of al-qaeda but i have seen ppl bring them up and like. encourage them as they are antizionist religious jews but ignore the fact that theyre religious extremists that are also wildly racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc.

[spot-the-antisemitism]

Feel like antisemites have redefined what being a "good Jew" means in recent years. It used to be a Jew that kept his head down, now that's no longer enough. Only "good Jew" is the one that openly detests everything Jewish.

Whenever they cite Jews that oppose Zionism, it's the shit like JVP and Noam "I call myself libertarian socialist because it sounds cooler than tankie" Chomsky.

Oh, I wonder what sect of Judaism antisemites support. Oh, it's Naturei Karta. Probably because antisemites are big fans of their religious orthodoxy and views on Three Oaths. Totally has nothing to do with Naturei Karta openly calling for destruction of Israel, simping for Iran's axis and claiming Zionists collaborated with Nazis.

In short, to antisemites only "good Jew" is useful idiot Jew, and soon only "good Jew" will be dead Jew.

Dear anon,

I disagree with your thesis

the good Jew while a pick-me, is defined by their pro-pal tokenism and specialness, not their self hatred

Naturei Karta also deny the holocaust which is VERY affirming to antisemities

What I do agree with is that to a nazi or even a hamasnik the only good Jew is a dead one.

yours,

Cecil

[murdershegoat]

anyway if ur aligning urself w the naturei karta im gonna assume all ur opinions are garbage and you have no idea what the fuck youre talking about