#NLOGs gotta NLOG i guess

[clytemnestradidnothingwrong]

"the issue here is that when people refer to “women” (i’ll get to that in a sec) as menstruators or birthing bodies, we’re not just referring to women. we’re also referring to trans men and nonbinary people with vaginas. If you personally identify as a woman, and would like to be called a mother, breast feeder, etc., i will call you that, since it is what you as an individual would like to be referred as. However, you can not speak for all people with vaginas."

"Transmen" and "nonbinary people with vaginas" are women. We don't "identify as women", we ARE women.

"And as for referring to trans women as cockowners, ballsack havers, and ejaculators, it may seem like an inclusive (albeit crude) term on the surface."

It's not "inclusive". She was making a point at how it's dehumanizing to be referred to by your genitals or body functions. You know, like you're up there demanding we do for women because some self-hating pickmes want to pretend they're not female.

"In reality, calling specifically trans women these terms serves no purpose, except for unjust bigotry and transphobia."

In reality, calling women "mensturators" or "breast feeders" or "people with vaginas" is unjust bigotry and pure misogyny.

"The difference between calling anyone with a vagina a “menstruator” and calling all trans women “penis havers”, is that people with vaginas who are not women should be included when talking about female reproductive health."

I've got a question for you conservatives-in-liberal clothing - if a woman wants to pretend she's not female and chooses to self-exclude from womanhood, why do we still have to include her? Why do we have to dehumanize and censor ourselves for someone who made it clear she thinks she's different from us?

“Trans women” is already a term that basically means “penis haver”, while also being able to respect their identities."

So if they're already synonymous, why did you type out this condescendingly stupid lecture about OP's use of it?

"Think of it this way. All* trans women are penis havers, but not all penis havers are trans women."

Men are men are men.

"*saying “all” is a bit disingenuous, as there are intersex trans women that don’t have (or just have) penises, and some trans women undergo surgeries to have a vagina/vulva"

Keep "intersex" out of your hideous mouth, please. And their "surgeries" don't give them vaginas or vulvas. A surgically created hole whose sole purpose is to be fucked is not a vagina.

"Now i know you’re going to argue with something along the lines of “but why do women get referred to as [x inclusive term], but trans women get to be referred to as trans women??”

Because you're a misogynist. It's not any deeper than that.

"well you see, “trans woman” is a sub category of “woman” (well, it’s a bit more complicated than that, but that’s another discussion)."

It's not complicated. They're MEN.

"The category “Women” refers to the gender."

No, Donald Trump, it does not.

“trans woman” and “cis woman” are also gender identities"

No, they're not.

"but they also speak for unique life experiences regarding “woman” as a gender."

Women are not a "gender".

"(I could get into how these experiences differ, but it’s not entirely relevant right now.)"

Well, duh. You've reached incel-levels of woman hate, so of course our different experiences aren't relevant to you.

"Essentially what i’m trying to get at is that the “trans” prefix (?) is already a signifier of that person’s gender and sex."

Can trans activists ever keep your lies straight? Sex and gender aren't the same... until they are!

"There is no need to call trans women “penis havers” if “trans woman” already means “woman with a penis”.

"Transwoman" means "man with a fetish". No woman has a penis, I don't care what all the porn you watch tells you.

"I mean, by all means, refer to all people with penises as “penis havers”, but don’t push that onto individuals who don’t want to be called that, just like how i will call you a woman/mother/breastfeeder if that’s what you prefer."

I don't give a single FUCK how people personally want to be called. The world does not revolve around you and your stupid feelings.

"so no, your suggestion was not truly inclusive, and most definitely not “kind and fair”

You would know, since you're an actual monster.

still thinking about the first time I got banned from instagram. I commented on a post about inclusive language suggesting we call trans women cock owners, ballsack havers and ejaculators similarly like we call women menstruators or birthing bodies. I think my suggestion was fair and kind, truly inclusive.

[tallymali]

can i just say thank u for the nuanced feminism here 😅 i feel like ive had to fight lately to assert that i do in fact wear heels for myself, i just like em, or the same for pursuing breast implants, or other things like

women can make their own decisions too yo, it doesnt all have to be pressure/coersion/whateverthefuck

no one questions when my hair is a different color, or that theres new ink/piercings in my skin...if i gotta live in this meatsuit at least let me fuck with it lol

sorry, this ended up turning into a rant lol

anyway, ur cool ✌️

dont be sorry i love this!! and tbh this doesnt even feel like nuanced feminism so much as like..i just dont like seeing other “progressives” trying to do astrology with ultimately very trivial aspects of womens lives. ive seen it go the other way where women who arent feminine get accused of being pick me/nlog/not a girls girl. like did she actually say any of that or are these people creating fanfic about someone who is just having interests and minding her damn business? i guess its the weird hyperfixation that everything we do is for the “male gaze” and sending some kind of subliminal message rather than acknowledging us as normal people doing normal stuff that gets me

[thekawaiibutterflygirl]

Criticisms of Wednesday: bUt sHeS aN NLOG!!!!

reality: :) neurodivergent coded queer coded character

Aka. no shit.

Y'all gotta stop treating popular characters like this. Say you get upset with how other people write an iconic character and go. I for one, really liked it.

And GUESS WHAT, there's multiple iterations of a single character, including the animated film that came out a few years prior.

Jenna Ortega's Wednesday is great. Suck my dick.