#My personal thoughts on Joker

[sk3tch404]

"Draw more serious art!!" I'm getting there, just not now kitty bby doll 😼😼

Bald y/n back at it again wtf

[petorahs]

shuake works because it feels like akechi's the only one who listens to akira and prompts the otherwise quiet leader to talk.

in a game about defiant teens making their voice heard, goro akechi listens to akira's voice from the get-go. out of detective-sleuthing/work duties, sure, but over time it's clear that akechi genuinely finds akira interesting.

in fact, akechi's confidant route regardless of which game is being played starts with him deeming akira the antithesis to his thesis, a "worthwhile debate partner". akechi values joker's opinions.

its always nice to see people point out that in that one 3rd sem phone call with akechi, its the most involved akira's been in a conversation in-game. i myself remember inserting a lot more input during that story-sequence which usually i can put on autoplay otherwise. akechi, in a whole different reality, still seeks out joker's opinions on it. it's like he trusts no one but him.

and imo this gives a lot of character to akira. he talks the most with akechi. the quietest people have the most on their minds, and it shows with akira. but akira never gets a say in anything, and who would listen? he's less than a nobody in reality since society dictated that. so he pointedly made himself silent, hiding his thoughts beneath an impenetrable mask. during important story moments, akira favors doing more than saying. his teammates and confidants are all directly inspired by his actions over the course of the game.

but with akechi, it's different. actions seem to take a backseat as they continue with their verbal back-and-forth. in rank 7 of royal, they play pool while talking, but it's clear to the outsider that the focus is in the layered conversation they're having. they primarily talk everytime akechi's in the coffee shop, because they dont usually see eachother in their busy schedules. it's not just "hi, hello, how are you?" with them but "i find you and everything you stand for interesting. let's talk more."

there's something to be said about how two people with vastly different and opposing views seek eachother out to further discuss things instead of antagonizing eachother. its why maruki said "despite being enemies, your relationship was never based on hatred or ill will".

their relationship was never a one-sided thing. akechi helps joker as much as joker helps him... arguably more. he eggs joker on, shows him that he can do better. otherwise, the leader would remain stagnant and unchallenged. there is no progress where there is no thesis and-- you can finish the rest.

[methoughtsphantom]

Does this count as kidnapping???

A clockwork apprentice Danny that has to fake Jason’s death because he accidentally meddled in the event leading up to it and now he has to act fast because he literally can hear Batman’s running steps catching up to him so in spectacular fashion Danny panics, goes “shit shit shit” and puts Jason in the ghost version of a coma but like expert level pumps him up with so much ectoplasm the kid legit dies for a hot minute there.

…It makes Batman think his kid really is dead like he is supposed to so not all is bad, the timeline is back on track.

It’s just that now Danny can’t leave Jason to be be buried in the ground like he was meant to be originally, instead he waits until no one is looking to snatch the kid up and take him with him to the infinite realms.

Jason is legit convinced he was kidnapped.

Jason: who are you and why did you kidnap me???

Danny: what— kid I didn’t kidnapped you, I saved you

Jason: likely story

Danny: really kid I’m not kidding this is not a kidnapping

Jason: well then can I go home

Danny:

Danny: no

Jason: fucking figures

…

Danny: in my defense when I found you you were already kidnapped

Jason: so? kidnapping me from my kidnappers doesn’t make u better

Danny:

Danny: well it makes me the better kidnapper

[iguessitsjustme]

I do not trust a single hair on Rose's head. I do not think she is any better than Lompran. (This does not mean I think she needs to marry him or deserves his stalkerish behavior though. Two things can be true at once.) Rose knew good and well that Jack was about to pay off his debts and that the boss would be pulling some shady shit to keep Jack just for her. Rose knows the power she wields.

Why could Rose not pay off the debt that Tattoo's mom now owes because of the game? Is she not rich? Is she not clever enough to find a way around those rules? Hiring them as servants in her father's house? Why not just set them free? If she is so angry that Lompran tricked them like that. If she truly feels the injustice of it all. Why not set them free?

She's not any better than Lompran's cosplaying as a poor person wearing rags and covered in dirt. She just hides it better. She wants to be their savior without saving a single one of them. Because she knows if she saves them she will lose her power over them. Rose is very good at pretending to be kind. No wonder Joke sees right through her.

Joke has always been a good judge of character. And the fact that someone as forgiving as Joke looks at Rose and sees a threat (not just a romantic one but a general threat to the community) and he chooses to stand against her says a lot about her character. She might have everyone else fooled but Joke knows her kind. He probably grew up knowing many women just like her. And if there is one character I trust in this show to know who is a good person and who is someone to be wary of? It's Joke.

So I'm not gonna trust a single thing Rose says or does because she spent oh so much money upgrading the hospital room for Jack's grandmother, but did she stop in and introduce herself and get to know his grandmother? Did she think of using a single dime of that money to help Tattoo? "His project wasn't marketable." So? You know marketing. Tell him what he needs to do for you to invest. There are a million ways Rose could have helped and instead she chooses the one way that keeps her in power over the people she claims to want to help.

[adelinamoteru]

its kinda crazy that yall will apply real world politics and situations to gotham when it comes to jason and his ‘vigilantism’, but never choose to take that angle when analyzing any other bat character’s

brother eye from batman? hello? does constant nonconsensual surveillance seem like an ethical way to keep an eye on supposed allies or stop crime in real life? does beating people up until they comply with u (under fucking duress) seem like the ethical way to produce testimonies and confessions?

but nah, one speech from jason in utrd and yall are up in arms about how nothing he’s saying is actually conducive to lowering crime rates.

at the end of the day, it doesn’t fucking matter who’s right and who’s wrong regarding these morals in real life because the dc universe is so fucking far from reality in the crime that the justice system has to deal with. there is no point in arguing a reality standpoint if its not going to be applied to vigilantism in the bat comics as a whole.

and on the topic of fiction, the willful ignorance as to how jason’s story also portrays a victims revenge/justice is just boring at this point. how are themes in a narrative not coming through to you. especially when doing literature analysis for any of these comics.

[bluerosefox]

Dip and Kiss

.................

Am I the only one that thinks that in a ‘I accidentally killed the Joker!” story that Jason WOULD totally kiss the one (ether Danny or Jazz only if they’re around his age though) that did it once he’s over the shock.

Like no joke, he would full on twirl, dip and kiss the person who did it, before going to celebrate that clowns end and later returning with thank you flowers. Cause Jason is a dramatic man whose planning to full on woo his new personal hero.

[rafyki]

Compilation of all the secret little smiles Jack has for Joke during ep 5

He hasn't forgiven him yet - yeah sure, that's why he keeps looking at him like that, of course

The "i can't believe he got so hurt while trying to help me and now he keeps apologizing to me" smile after treating his wounds

The "secretly listening to him and finding him so cute and nice" smile

The "oh my god he might be talking about me" smile

The "oh woah he's such a good person" smile

And finally the "yeah who am I kidding I had already forgiven him from the start" smile

Really, our boy Jack never stood a chance

[yumikittyproducoes]

I really enjoy making old-style posters :-D

[s4pphic-sh3nan1gans]

In the hashtags to the anonymous about Bokris in the interview, you said you would yap some more. So I'm here for that. 👀😇

ahhhhh you're too sweet!!! <3

(original post here)

alright, so here's one of the things I love most about bokris: they just complement each other perfectly, which I feel like can be summed up pretty nicely by saying that Bojan is more extroverted and Kris is more introverted. the way I see it, that kind of dynamic is really one of the fundamental factors that determines how they act around each other (at least when they're in public or know they have cameras on them).

in their interviews, for example, Bojan always does the most talking (which makes sense since he's the frontman, but also he clearly just likes to talk 😭) and if they're with the whole band in a group setting, Kris does the second most talking usually. howeverrrrr I actually feel like Kris speaks less when it's just him and Bojan together without anyone else. maybe it's something to do with being conscious about having more attention on him, or mayyyyybe it's because he'd rather listen to Bojan talk, OR if we're running with the theory of Kris getting slightly flustered whenever Bojan looks at him whilst he's speaking, he's trying to avoid that a little bit 🤭

I also like to think that being introverted/extroverted gives a bit of an insight into how they show affection towards each other (and I mean platonically just as much as I mean the weird kinda flirting they have going on 😭). Bojan is more likely to show it outwardly in ways that are reeeeeally obvious, like the heart eyes and the constant touching and stroking Kris' hair or handing him the microphone to sing into (which, let's be honest, is always a bit... erotic). but I think Kris is a lot more reserved about it (when he knows that eyes are on them) and I think it's more subtle, like affectionately calling Bojan "Boki" and not being able to stop smiling when he's in Bojan's company. and let me tell you... I am absolutely WEAK for that dynamic 🫠

honestly I just love the connection that they have. it's every fanfic writer's dream and it just brings me sooooo much joy 🥰

[sonknuxadow]

ive seen so many people complaining about people making joker sonic just so they can ship him with batman shadow and like i dont NOT believe the people complaining about it because that sounds exactly like something people who are overly obsessed with so/nadow to the point where they try to make everything involving shadow about so/nadow somehow even if its wildly out of character for him and/or sonic or just otherwise doesnt make sense would do . but its also wild seeing the complaining when i havent seen anyone actually making fanart of that concept . i feel like im dodging a massive bullet right now

[jasontoddenthusiastt]

I think fans want Jason to be a good person or be becoming one. To have a character that is well meaning and compassionate but decided murder is ok and to stand against main heroes who’s beliefs and actions go against the people he cares about and wants in his life. It’s confusing for people. People want their fav characters to be happy. But Jason can’t have his family’s support and follow his moral code. He’s cares about people and Gotham, and he’s an asshole who kills. It’s messy. It’s not black and white. I don’t even think Jason cares about being a good person or in the right anymore. I think he cares about what will save the most people instead.

Oh my goodness gracious I’ve been bamboozled

Batman’s definition of Good is not synonymous with absolute good/right no matter how much dc insists it is. Torture, battery/assault, surveillance, those are all condemnable actions too. I won’t get into the exhausting and frankly dumb debate of comic book morality wrt killing because I’ve already reblogged plenty of posts from other people who explained my thoughts on the matter far better than I ever have the patience to sit down and articulate. I also just think the notion that there’s something to be done about fictional characters who kill nazis and senseless murderers is stupid. Jason’s point is that the “main” heroes’ sanitized definition of right has its unaddressed holes and flaws which ultimately result in more preventable fatalities, and that he’ll work to correct those missing spots.

He doesn’t not care about doing what’s right. What he doesn’t care about (at least during his Winick characterization) is whether Batman thinks he’s right or wrong, because he sees the flaws in Batman’s methodology (and since he has a mind of his own). Batman’s methods alone cannot address Arkham’s revolving door and the rogues that come and go through those doors who have no intention (or capability from the doylist pov) of ever changing or undergoing redemption. Jason knows that he’s minimizing the number of preventable deaths by killing his targets, typically Characters Who Simply Do Fucked Up Shit Just Because, Why The Fuck Not?

Secondly, Jason is compassionate … to a fault. That was his fatal flaw. If he wasn’t so hell-bent on saving his potential birth mother he just met from that bomb despite everything she did to him prior, he could have protected himself instead, however slim his odds of survival were. What about his relationship with his other parents? He was a caregiver during his early childhood years for Catherine, until her death. Even mature adults who are financially stable find being a caregiver to a dying parent to be extremely burdensome on their bodies and minds, but he never complained about it or resented Catherine for being unable to care for him. Despite how none of his parents have really been what he needed them to be, he doesn’t blame them for their failings, and even continues to think highly of them (Bruce included).

And post-death? Enter Lost Days. Despite being dead set on plotting his revenge on Bruce, he constantly sidelines this in order to save other victims who are helpless like he once was. His own anger, trauma, and mission don’t remain his priority. (Sound familiar? Something something my own trauma above my son’s, mission above all else, etc.). Why would he waste precious time and risk his own life to do this if he wasn’t empathetic towards these victims or didn’t care about doing the right thing. He is simultaneously horribly traumatized and full of rage, and also incapable of ignoring what’s happening to victims around him (even as he claims that it’s indeed not his priority). And in that same vein, the entire premise of his rebirth outlaws run was that he doesn’t care if the public views him as a villain, an outlaw, so long as he can protect Gotham. And anyway where is this portrayal of him not caring about being in the right anymore. Almost every modern Jason story is about him grappling with where he stands with Bruce/Batman. During the early 2000s was probably the last time he did not care (hello, tentatodd??).

Jason has very evidently been portrayed as a kind and compassionate character. He is also simultaneously a calculated killer who doesn’t hesitate to kill when he deems necessary, and does so without remorse. It’s called being a Complex Character With An Edge™ that as you said, people so often claim to love. However when he fulfills that latter part, that seems to upset people because “killing bad”, and they then try to shave off and round out all his edges and claim he shouldn’t be that angry. In that case I guess you should just stick to liking traditional one-dimensional characters instead of claiming to like Jason but then encouraging his character assassination attempt by dc. Lol.

Lastly, who said anything about the batfam making Jason happy? Just because he’s written nowadays to want acceptance from Bruce (a shoddy attempt at forcing a non-existent nuclear batfamily), doesn’t mean that it’s a sound decision or that it does his character justice. I certainly don’t empathize with the idea that Jason needs the family’s approval or acceptance to be happy. (And anyway he has enough outlets for angst and pain aside from the batfam hello explore his other sources of trauma and do more deep dives into how he thinks when he’s alone). I don’t want them to magically make up and become one big happy family. This is not disney Lol. Besides, there are plenty of stories from dc that have that type of “wholesome” (hate that word utilization) characterization for Jason (Li’l Gotham, Tiny Titans, wfa, and even new stuff like the brave and the bold mini) and that is sufficient imo. Jason fans who are invested in the character deserve accurate, nuanced characterization and well-written stories, whether they be from his robin days (e.g., Batman: The Cult) or as red hood.

[hoganherofanatics]

Harley Quinn is an Abuser

Besides Harley being a psychologist who had relations with her severely mentally unstable patient, she does a bunch of other gross things. Here’s all the reasons I hate her. Based of Btas.

Literal infidelity If she has some sort of Stockholm syndrome, she would not be flirting with/doing naughty things with other men. Women in relationships like the one she claims to have don’t do that. They aren’t even allowed to be around male family members, like their father or brothers, let alone completely random men😂 If joker was the abusive one, he would not be letting that happen. Also, she claims loyalty to just him? But then she turns around and kisses Batman, make it make sense.

She hits Joker more than he hits her Speaking strictly from the Btas prespective(Her first appearance in any media) Harley hits her abusive boyfriend way more, and almost kills him. Just food for thought. This girl is so fake it hurts.🙄 I’m not saying I condone Joker hitting her, men shouldn’t hit women, but gosh she strikes him a lot.

Blaming all her crimes on one person/faking a mental illness. I honestly believe she’s faking whatever sickness she claims to have to avoid going to prison. Because even if it’s less common, rape is still a very prevalent thing in women’s prisons, unfortunately. I also find it funny how all of her actions are blamed on the Joker, even the ones he had no involvement in.

Starting a relationship with somebody who isn’t all there mentally. Not saying mentally ill people can’t have relationships, just that the one Harley started with Joker was really inappropriate. Why would you, a person who’s completely sane, do things with somebody who isn’t? Your own patient nonetheless.

I miss Batman being kid friendly. I miss Batman villains being ridiculous but fun to watch. Especially Joker. I miss the og Robin. I miss when Harley Quinn wasn’t a character, because she kind of marks the creation of a more violent Batman. I miss writers that actually cared about writing good stories instead of snuff and porn. I started watching Batman because of my little brother. I love him❤️ you’ll always be my baby, little bro.

[sundial-bee-scribbles]

trying to psych myself up to finally do oc refs by doing fandom-related refs instead: volume 1

wanted to update my yuma from whatever tf this au is so he was a bit more unique... takes inspo from a lot of different things while also trying to be its own sorta thing? which is fitting given the au ;)

bonus chibi now that i'm also figuring out how tf to do chibis lol:

[sparkles-oflight]

(i wanted to post this yesterday, but tumblr lagged on me and I was listening and vibing to Everybody's waiting so I decided to try and re-write this post)

I don't know if I ever told you guys, but I used to not like Vse Kar Vem (that changed after I heard it live haha). Not because it's a bad song, but because it reminded me a lot of songs I would listen when I was very bad mentally - in high school.

In HS when I had anxiety attacks and outbursts that I still didn't understand what those were (I mean, I didn't fully accept I had mental illnesses until uni so... yeah)

And this part of the song (I'm not talking about the lyrics) actually reminded me of songs from a particular show that I used to watch (one of my comfort shows that helped me a lot back then) and that's how I started appreciating the song?

But if we want talk about lyrics, let's talk lyrics:

No one’s ever gonna make it easier, You’re the only one who can, The only one

This is something I've always told myself, but each day it's getting harder to actually do it? It takes so much energy of me to get out of my bed, how can I even make my life better? It's really hard once you get stuck in the quicksand honestly... How do you do it?

[gothamsaved]

I get a little anxious writing with any of Batman's villains cause I'm so worried I'll possibly fuck up their dynamic. ( Hi I overthink them a lot esp cause I'm trying to find a balance I'm comfortable with for my batman portrayal 😔 )

I want him to be brutal yes, he has a lot of pain and anger he expends and he will be flawed with how he handles most situations. He is only human. But I also want him to have an unyielding compassion or have that be the stubborn main force that drives him to keep fighting and trying despite how pointless it seems.

I chalk it up a lot to... Yeah I know he can be violent in how he takes his villains down — in the moment they are a danger, a threat, not just to others but possibly to themselves as well. He wants to help and recently have been trying to incorporate the idea of him seeing them not as enemies outright but people who do seriously need help and have been through awful, sometimes even traumatic situations that turned their whole lives upside down, just as his was. His ultimate goal is to rehabilitate the more reasonable villains and stop the ones he can't use reasoning with.

This comment in a video I spotted recently sums it up well and I am biting things.

[khihi]

bonus question to answer in the tags: will the way you usually keep up with esc change for esc24 due to esc23, and how?