#Most of the Sundrown Patrol is probably still alive besides Feathertail
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bonefall · 2 years ago
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What does Bonefall Starclan think of Bonefall Bramblestar? And where do you think he’ll end up after he dies?
Bonefall StarClan is disappointed in Bramblestar.
The more Traditionalist and Thistle Law-sympathetic cats are frustrated that he doesn't rule in accordance with their guidelines, just sort of stumbling into them when he's acting aggrieved. Bramblestar is a supporter of Fire Alone, but he abandons those principles when he's upset.
It's obvious to them that he only does the things they agree with out of clouded judgement, and that makes their position look bad.
The Fire Alone cats, of which StarClan is filling, is annoyed by the same tendencies. Though they did find him to be a fine leader during the Great Storm and AVoS. He's just... not what he could be.
Not to mention how he ends up hobbling his deputy when they should be working together. StarClan itself can get frustrated by Squirrelflight as well, but the fact that a significant portion of her rule-breaking is because Bramblestar makes bad choices is not lost on them.
There will be a pretty large trial when Bramblestar dies... but his crimes are 1. Being a bad mate and 2. Not being a great leader. Nothing damnable. Especially not in today's day and age.
I can kinda see Bramble not having a good time up there though. It's not that anyone is hostile to him but... it would be awkward.
Firekin don't like how he treated Squilf. Grandma Speckletail and Mama Goldenflower love him but are a bit disappointed. His cousins are equally mixed, besides Thornclaw who is, sometimes, the kind of person whose approval can be condemning.
Tense friendliness, mixed feelings.
His brother Swiftpaw is happy to see him, though. Feathertail probably is too.
I think he'd be a bit escapist, he likes weaving dreams and going on wanders. Probably hangs out with Swift a lot. He's very, very tired.
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bonefall · 1 year ago
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what cats are still prayed to and revered by the clans besides firestar or skystar? i fuckin LOVE the patron spirits thing you have going on in this rewrite, it’s so cool to see what cats are worshipped and why
There's a lot of them! I don't think there could ever be a "comprehensive list" without just listing most of StarClan. See, most cats will typically value their own family over others, leading to the patrons "waxing and waning" in popularity over the generations.
But here's some of the ones who are pretty consistently popular!
Thunderstar = Justice Comeuppance, fair judgement, and mercy are also things he can be invoked for. Remember that a Patron gains its power from belief. Much like how Saint Michael was once a patron of healing as well as war, associations for BB!StarClan cats can shift over time.
Bumblemumble = Speech, Diplomacy She became less popular in the Chivalric Period, but was a favored patron for Pinestar to invoke. She never totally went away, even though her name has become "Bombolmlemlaan," 'Sentence-Tonguetwister,' over time. (Her name is also used in reference to "being tongue-tied." Fitting that she's a bit hard to translate into English!)
Acorn Swoop = Prra A Clan culture-specific value. Perfect timing, promptness, coincidences of good planning. Arriving in the nick of time. Acorn Swoop is a good example of how cats can wax and wane as well; when Hallowflight dies (he is alive to the current arc in BB), RiverClan will probably prefer invoking him over Acorn for a while.
Sparrow Heart = Loyalty and Fidelity. This BURNS her a new one, btw. Many of the other spirits as old as her have begun to lost touch with their mortal lives, but she didn't join Clear Sky because she loves him. She didn't serve him for his own ends. She wanted his power, and in death she's been reduced to his eternal stooge. She craves his throne. (And I have to leave it there until we find out what the next few arcs have in store :3)
Speckletail = Protection Against Natural Disaster Storms, deforestation, pollution, whatever. Speckletail is invoked to defend Clans against oncoming doom, because girlie took out a bulldozer and the battle culture is obsessed with that
Stonefur = Winning the War/Losing the Battle An important god for lost causes. When you aren't able to win, he is invoked to make your death mean something. Needletail, for the first time in a long time, requested for StarClan to call down his strength.
Blackstar = Redemption And change in a better direction. Said to be reflected in frogs in particular, how they go from tadpoles to full creatures, associated with wetland health thanks to his ambitious Bog Project.
Sundrown Patrol = Directions Most of them are not dead yet. Feathertail is currently the only one in the role and protects travelers generally, but eventually her and her Cohorts will comfortably divide up the cardinal directions. Feathertail is South (Towards the Mountain), Tawny is West (Towards the Ocean), Bramble is North (Towards the Lake) and Crowfeather is East (Into the Wilderness).
Leafpool = Clarity Leafpool Moonpool is one of the most popular young spirits. In difficult situations, she is invoked for StarClan to see your sins and understand that you are trying to find the holiest way through them. The Firekin family is going to be a very strong pantheon eventually.
Palefoot = Bodies that Can't Be Recovered/Closure Anon suggestion that is canon now. Palefoot was murdered by Batear for killing Fenneldust and shoved into a bog where his family would never find him, because Batear was not allowed to go to ThunderClan to sit vigil for his best friend. When someone is lost and can't be buried, Palefoot is often invoked for comfort. He is actually sort of displacing Turtle Heart, who used to function in a similar way. She is being pushed into a more specific role for Lost Parents, not bodies or closure in general.
In addition, Dark Forest Spirits are also powerful... and thanks to the fact you have to use a direct line to get to them, quite capable of granting strength without holding back. They have no StarClan to answer to if they blessed the plans of the wrong cat.
So they can do curses for you, if THAT is what you're seeking. A whole lot of these cats tend to provide various types of revenge lmao... "We serve Vengeance here, sir."
Batear and Fenneldust = Retribution Evolved from a mix of how Batear's target went BEYOND his victim to deny closure to the family, and also the Fepfr which he was named for, Long-Eared Bat, which in Clan culture is said to have a modest song of mourning for every bat wrongfully killed. Fenneldust actually LOVED that he was willing to be so spiteful for her, and followed him to the Dark Forest. So if you want, you can call for them to cause pain to people who wronged you. If your case is bad though, they'll fuck with you instead. They aren't MALICIOUS spirits though... just mischievous.
Mapleshade = Revenge If you want your target to DIE, you give her a call. She is ACTIVELY malicious. She will stop at nothing to kill someone she agrees should go, even going as far as to fight a Fetcher to drag the target down with her. If you're just miffed at someone and want them to get karma, you talk to Batsy and Fenfen. If you want BLOOD, you talk to Mapleshade. But be prepared, because she is just as dangerous as that implies.
Cloudberry and Ryewhisker = Secrecy An obvious one, but one of the gentler requests of the Dark Forest. They will help you hide forbidden love from your Clan, and can be prayed to when you're having a close call and may be discovered.
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#It's also hard that some of the people he really wanted to see are not there#Tawny is probably still alive#Hawkfrost was double-killed and was in the Dark Forest#Most of the Sundrown Patrol is probably still alive besides Feathertail#I think it's telling that even of his canonical 9 lives 3 of them were from cats he barely knew#He is a very lonely person with few friends#That's often a side effect of being a largely unpleasant person
What does Bonefall Starclan think of Bonefall Bramblestar? And where do you think he’ll end up after he dies?
Bonefall StarClan is disappointed in Bramblestar.
The more Traditionalist and Thistle Law-sympathetic cats are frustrated that he doesn't rule in accordance with their guidelines, just sort of stumbling into them when he's acting aggrieved. Bramblestar is a supporter of Fire Alone, but he abandons those principles when he's upset.
It's obvious to them that he only does the things they agree with out of clouded judgement, and that makes their position look bad.
The Fire Alone cats, of which StarClan is filling, is annoyed by the same tendencies. Though they did find him to be a fine leader during the Great Storm and AVoS. He's just... not what he could be.
Not to mention how he ends up hobbling his deputy when they should be working together. StarClan itself can get frustrated by Squirrelflight as well, but the fact that a significant portion of her rule-breaking is because Bramblestar makes bad choices is not lost on them.
There will be a pretty large trial when Bramblestar dies... but his crimes are 1. Being a bad mate and 2. Not being a great leader. Nothing damnable. Especially not in today's day and age.
I can kinda see Bramble not having a good time up there though. It's not that anyone is hostile to him but... it would be awkward.
Firekin don't like how he treated Squilf. Grandma Speckletail and Mama Goldenflower love him but are a bit disappointed. His cousins are equally mixed, besides Thornclaw who is, sometimes, the kind of person whose approval can be condemning.
Tense friendliness, mixed feelings.
His brother Swiftpaw is happy to see him, though. Feathertail probably is too.
I think he'd be a bit escapist, he likes weaving dreams and going on wanders. Probably hangs out with Swift a lot. He's very, very tired.
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