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#Maurice and Clive#Maurice and Alec#parallels#Maurice Hall#James Wilby#Alec Scudder#Rupert Graves#Clive Durham#Hugh Grant#maurice 1987#james ivory#merchant ivory#e m forster#merchant ivory documentary#Maurice deleted scene
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Maurice by E.M. Forster - Notes by David Leavitt:
The most sustained criticism of Pianola in literature comes in Forster's posthumously published novel Maurice. Here Clive Durham, the boy with whom Maurice falls in love up at Cambridge, is found in chapter six sorting out 'a castle of pianola records' of the march from Tchaikovsky's Pathétique; then, when he goes to play them, a mutual friend tells Maurice, 'You should get away from the machine [Pianola]' - and therefore Clive himself - 'as far as you can'. The Pianola manufactures music in the same way that Clive 'manufactures' heterosexual passion (which consequences less outwardly disastrous for him than for Tchaikovsky). That the way one makes music - or connects to music - signifies one's values in Forster's work is illustrated beautifully when Maurice meets Alec Scudder at Penge: together they move a real piano from under a leak in Clive ancestral home. This instrument, like their relationship, is the genuine article, and worth protecting from the decay of that society. The instrument itself embodies virtue.
#I would never think about that pianola and piano thing myself and I'm not sure if this association is accurate to author's intentions#but I love parallels in stories so#maurice 1914#maurice hall#maurice and clive#maurice and alec#clive durham#alec scudder#maurice em forster#e.m. forster#em forster#pianola#parallels
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Maurice (1987) dir. James Ivory
#maurice#filmgifs#hugh grant#james wilby#film#filmedit#moviegifs#clive durham#maurice hall#80s movies#maurice 1987#lgbtq#gay#mlm#lgbt#maurice movie
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Maurice (1987) dir. James Ivory
#maurice#maurice 1987#james wilby#hugh grant#maurice hall#clive durham#filmedit#lgbtedit#lgbt#usergay#usermichi#james ivory#filmgifs#fyeahmovies#userfilm#dailyflicks#gifs#mine#*
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my Maurice (1987) fanarts
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I love this analysis.
Though for aromantic-asexual person like me it feels a bit shocking to consider sexual intercourse as a first step to the meaningful relationship and not the other way around... But obviously Maurice and Alec were not strangers to each other. And if to look closely - there was in fact great potential for the meaningful relationship between them right from the start, if not for high level of prejudice at Maurice's side. He did realize that "the young man with bright brown eyes" is more attractive in his eyes than any woman around - but on conscious level he rejects the feeling. If it was only same-sex attraction but among his own class - maybe he would feel different about it? Maybe if it was only the lower class problem but not the same-sex - he might act differently? But it was both and so he consciously decided to treat any feeling toward Alec as not only perverted but also degradating to him as gentleman. He forces himself to be either indifferent or angry to any sign of Alec's friendliness (wishing "Happy Birthday", refusing the tip, running to see his car, baling out the boat). Only that his body and his subconsious self knew better and the "Russet Room scene" proved this - it would never happen if he really honestly despised it, right? It proved that any barrier between them was actually only a socially made-up bullshit - but before "British Museum" Maurice still fights to agree with that truth.
Alec's attitude is different. Initially he was not sure about the classes as well (saying few times he "have never come like that to a gentleman before"). But then he works it out much quicker than Maurice: repeating "I come from respectable family", "don't treat me like a dog" and emphasizing their equality at this matter.
As for the "flesh educating the spirit": Alec was much faster to recognize what's really natural and what is not, maybe because he was somehow closer to the nature? He must now gradually teach Maurice to recognize what natural is, even when speaking about swimming: "I was taught I'd be ill if I didn't wet my hair" said Maurice - "Well, you was taught what wasn't the case" answers Alec.
Maurice was more "muddle headed" and it's hard to really blame him for that. As a gentleman all his life he could only believe what he was told. And whoever of his class he would ask - his "tendency" was always said to be unnatural. It sure wasn't helpful that the only other person he knew reciprocating his feelings (Clive) also treated any such body-needs as unnnatural. And then the one-sided "lust" toward Dicky was the final prove for Maurice that what he experiences is nothing but sick.
So it is true that in the Russet Room his body could "teach his spirit" what his actual nature is . Then the doctor also speaks about "accepting human nature". And finally - Maurice gets it clearly when the king and queen are passing before him:
"he despised them at the moment he bared his head. It was as if the barrier that kept him from his fellows had taken another aspect. He was not afraid or ashamed any more. After all, the forest and the night were on his side, not theirs; they, not he, were inside a ring fence."
In other words - Maurice's realizes that his side (and Alec's) is natural order of things while higher class ("king and queen") is not.
When you get so irked by someone saying that "Clive and Maurice were the better romantic pairing because they truly loved each other while Alec and Maurice's relationship was based on nothing but sex" that you end up writing a small essay in a Pinterest comment section (which had to be broken up into 500 word chunks because of Pinterest's word limit).
Anyway, I actually like what I wrote so I wanted to share it here. I didn't say everything I wanted to in the exact way that I wanted to due to the word restrictions, but I think it did the job.
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part 2 of clive venting on twitter but im too lazy to change the photo of him
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Quotes from the movie Maurice (1987) 2/2
#James Wilby#Maurice 1987#Maurice Hall#Rupert Graves#Alec Scudder#Hugh Grant#Clive Durham#E.M. Forster#Merchant Ivory#Period Films
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yeah i'd love to bring e.m forster back from the dead to let him know that maurice was published and made into a film and gay people can get married in britain now and stuff, but on the other hand how would we break the news to him that a significant percentage of maurice fans prefer clive to alec from a combination of classism and being horny for hugh grant
#em forster#maurice#maurice 1987#maurice 1914#clive durham#alec scudder#edit: i have just been informed that forster actually arranged for it to be published after his death#(and somehow i didn't know that it was actually only published a year after he died)#rest of the post still stands tho
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My humble Holmes and Holmes-related collection of books, featuring some vintage fanfiction and two little figures that someone gave me as a gift
#Maurice is not really Holmes related but they exist side by side in my mind#I imagine Holmes and victor trevor having a relationship a bit like Clive and Maurice#acd holmes#sherlock holmes
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#maurice#maurice 1987#maurice 1914#english literature#maurice hall#clive durham#why did i watch this movie
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Of you and the soft sun.
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Maurice (1914) by E. M. Forster:
Introducing Clive Durham - the twink
#I don't plan to draw Clive but it's still interesting#I can imagine the ''very small man'' in Maurice's eyes is both slightly build and visibly shorter than him#I can't be mad that movie makers decided on showing them much more equal in size and body build#I can imagine that showing them as two very different looking men would bring a risk of feeding the stereotype#because average viewer in the 1980s still expected a gay couple to have the same gender dichotomy as man and woman🤔#but maybe if Maurice was filmed now - Clive and Maurice would much more resemble Charlie and Nick from Heartstopper?#maurice 1914#maurice em forster#e.m. forster#em forster#maurice hall#clive durham#maurice and clive
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Maurice (1987) dir. James Ivory
#maurice#filmgifs#hugh grant#james wilby#film#filmedit#moviegifs#clive durham#maurice hall#80s movies#maurice 1987#lgbtq#gay#mlm#lgbt#maurice movie
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#i love gays#maurice#maurice 1987#hugh grant#maurice hall#james wilby#artwork#my art#my artwork#digital art#illustration#art#artists on tumblr#clive durham#maurice movie
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Maurice, (1987) dir. James Ivory
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