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localguy2 · 2 months ago
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Valid asf, I've honestly sorta given up on semi decent Canon Zane arc or trait, his character is bland and boring atm, he's been heavily nerfed in comparison both in terms of just brute strength and element
Like seriously, given everything that's happened and when comparing him to someone like Nya, who controls water and has partial control over Ice, it calls into question why Ice was even a core element instead of water (obviously 2011 and 2024 Ninjago are 2 different things but you get my question)
Touching a bit more on his element, I'm honestly really really tired of how badly utilised it is in show, it's to the point that ice doesn't make water anymore (S2P1 in the Desert and Crystalized also I'm the Desert), it can't even hold up against enemies well (S1P1 in Imperium and God damn Zur somehow (and this is comparing it to SEASON 1 WHERE THE MASTER OF EARTH'S FOOT WAS ENCASED BY IT)), and even when it's used it's used very very poorly
Like think of how Ice could be used for a moment: For making sharp on-the-go weapons, cornering opponents by summoning ice walls or spikes behind/around them, making ice armor to absorb any shock or physical trauma, or just even ICE PILLERS for an easy escape or quick height advantage
And this is only touching on Zane's element, I won't even get into his character and how CANONICALLY, we've yet to get a proper address of how traumatising his death in S3 was (I'd like to note, it's addressing the truama brought on by a traumatic expiernce, not what S4 gave us, which was addressing how he might have not been himself even)
Then you've got the stuff with Echo that was just, never brought up (whether you see Echo as an actual character or just "Zane's brother") and how that might've affected his out look on Julien ((tbf this is more of a Skybound problem then a show problem so I'll allow it)
Then there's the Ice Emperor who WAS addressd really well in fact but it was in... A book, 4 seasons and a special after the deed was already done and dusted
Then there's the lack of explanation regarding the show's stuble hints of him tampering with his memories (The march of the Oni set shorts and the Spinjitzu Virtues shorts)
Then there's the lack of reaction regarding something like him being just a robotic character for exposition and plot device or heck even characterless, so much so to the point are starting to doubt if he, in universe, sees worth in himself a lot (aham that one scene with The Administration, his whole "Hightined Emotions" line, the Wyldfyre voice lines (which all could me interpreted differently but from my own POV that's how it looks like at least, feel free to disagree tbh I wouldn't mind it), and just ughhhhh-
Zane's character has never been in a worse state, and it's even worse when you consider that not even the writers seem to be realising they're doing all of this intentionally
Like take the part where Zane calls Arin cringe and think about it for a moment
Zane, the show's definitive little guy since S1, calling a Teenager Ninja in-training (who is likely his same age or younger when he started with the ninja), struggling with being lied to by his best friend among other things going on in the season
How does that make any sense
Answer: it doesn't
Dragons Rising Season 3 predictions about Zane
Does nothing
Decides if everyone else is going to go out and find people then by golly he is going out and finding Pixal (maybe gets leads by going through the Administration's archives)
We get a flashback sequence about Pixal through Zane's dreaming or because he is missing her
Does nothing
Frog plush comes back
Him and Nya have a conversation of missing their loved ones PLEASE HAVE THIS HAPPEN PLEASE
If he does end up finding Pixal, they both work together and fix the mech that is coming out in this next set wave
Does nothing
#I have so many gripes with Zane's character#And I could go on for much longer#Because we've seen what the writers can do with someone like Kai#Who pre DR was in an arguably worse state then Zane because he literally never got any proper character development or moment outside of#Like S1 and S7 and maybe S11#It's just#The show is immensely downplaying any affects something might have on Zane#(whether that thing is still ongoing or a past event)#Whilst highlighting anything somewhat major for another character (whether it's on-going or past) like again- Kai#They finally addressed his reaction on Seabound and it was absolutely spectacular if I'm being honest#But to me from my own POV#It goes to show that the writing team barely thought of him when writing a lot of episodes#Which#I would understand#If not for literally ALL OTHER major characters getting something impactiful to do#I'm talking Nya - Kai - Lloyd - Cole - Arin - Sora - Wyldfyre heck even JAY#Nya helped Kai and was looking for Jay#Kai continued proving he was the goat and lead the charge when it came to battling shatterspin#Lloyd struggled (like usual)#Cole looked out for Bonzel and kept himself busy with the finders#Arin and Sora has beef and Arin ran away while Sora became an example of Lloyd's good training#And Wyldfyre got a... Love interest ig? (I admit it's not my favourite plot)#But I seriously can't name anything major for Zane besides an adventure with Cole didn't help him gain or lose anything major#I think you get me by this point 💀#Enough yapping thanks for coming to my Ted talk I'll be here till Sunday
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manwiththemagic · 2 months ago
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The writers of s11 were cowards. If IIIIIIIIIII was in charge I'd made Lucifer's weird obsession with Sam show up more. Like the writers have very obviously included it and yet when Lucifer is processing the same vessel as cas, and therefore pretending to be cas, he just fucks off and tortures Crowley with fucked up bdsm pet play.
Like the few times casifer and Sam interacted were GOLD. because Sam sees it as his best friend cas, and Lucifer (who keeps talking about Sam like they're toxic ex's) is pretending to be him!! Although not to well. Like his freaky smirk when sending Dean into the past and coming back to harass Sam? Dude lives off of sadistic pleasure.
The way he full on LAUGHS when Sam says he trusts him bc Sam thinks it's cas?? Like gold!?!? Don't know why the writers didn't do more with that.
Also why not do more with the 'lucifer sent Sam visions to get him down to hell'. Like Lucifer is Obsessed w/ sam because that body/vessel is "supposed to be" his. And yet after revealing himself he doesn't try and convince Sam anymore?
He's just given up? Like nah man I don't believe that. I feel like he woulda fucked with Sam more in cas' body. And like it woulda been a way better not-romance-romance plot then whatever the fuck Dean and Amara were..
Like that came outta no where... I mean I get it.. but ew?? We saw her grow up, and maybe id argue "well there were two versions of her!! One physical on earth, the other her actual form and memories as a celestial being!!" BUT NO. SHE CALLS CROWLEY UNCLE CROWLEY.
cause he like raised her for a day or wtv..
Idk s11 is better than s10. Like the episode from baby's prospective?? PEAK CINEMAAAA!! also not that I dislike s11, no I quite love it, I just wish the dean plots were more fleshed out, and that it was more "Dean and Sam vs the world!!" Then Dean vs Sam yk??
Like where's my dynamic duo??
That's part of why I didn't like s10. Like no I loved the IDEA of Mark of Cain dean, and demon dean was hilarious (although I HATE him) but it was just Dean vs Sam, Dean vs cas, Dean vs the world. And idk I liked the idea, cause this time it was sam doing everything to save Dean, but man I just didn't like the fighting..
Also s11 had a mention of TMNT, S10 did not so... points!!
S1 and 2 of spn were peak ofc, and s3 was good but not really memorable for me?? Idk I'll go back and rewatch once I finish the series (just finished s11)
S4 and 5 were also really good, we got Castiel who is peak, blood junkie Sam, which was one of my favorite plots!! And of course a lot more bobby. Rest in peace king!
And unlike some I loveeeed s6-7 like.. the soulless plot, and death? Dean dealing with soulless sam?? Chefs kiss I mean mwah. Then Sam tweaking because of hallucinations. NOT TO MENTION GODSTIEL?? loved him sm stg.
8-9-10 is where it kinda fell off. I mean idk the leviathans?? Weak. Hated them ngl. Idk if they were s7 but either way.. mid. I didn't like purgatory bc no way Sam would do that?? But I did like how it developed deans character..
I don't remember what happened in what season but I lovedddd kevin, hated metatron (but in the "it's because he's well done" kinda way), the tablets were aight, Mark of Cain was uh... something.. (I hate demon dean but he was peak..)
So like idk.. show is peak though, I'm just at that point in the hyperfixtion where it's like "BUT I COULD DO IT BETTER!!" ykwim?? NVM I'm sick with a fever, supernatural is all I have going for me man.
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nexus-my-beloved · 3 months ago
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Just sat here thinking about spn and realized I genuinely don't know what the fuck season 9 or 10 were about. Like. I know moc Dean was in there somewhere. But altogether I literally don't remember shit.
After s5 I FULLY lose the plot of telling anyone ANYTHING of what spn is about. Like, I get s6ish, and sort of s7, but then I lose it. I know purgatory happened and leviathans happened and I remember metatron and Sam being soulless but I genuinely can't remember when Crazy Cas fit in there. Chronologically I'm so confused.
I think after watching s7 / midway through s8 I stopped watching out of enjoyment to the plot and more out of obligation to finish the show. I'm here to admit I'm on s11 but haven't watched in months because I'm actually bored and everything felt like a trainwreck of random plotlines. I love supernatural, I do, but I enjoyed Kripke era and then started losing it after. I'd gladly rewatch anything s1-s5 but after that I get iffy. S6 was cool and I LOVED s8's finale but generally I just do not vibe with most things after s5.
Maybe I just need to rewatch?? I need to do that anyway to refresh the plot in my head. I love this show, I do, but good GOD I am lost. Please tell me I'm not alone 🙏🏻
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hobgoblinns · 1 year ago
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you can put the word fuck once in every season of nuwho. Where is it going?
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what a great question!
s1: i wanted to choose something funny, but i think nine screaming FUCKING KILL YOURSELF at that dalek would go hard af. but also…… nine and rose have the kind of relationship where i’m sure she’d jokingly say “oh fuck you” every time the doctor takes a cheap shot at humans
s2: i already posted tonight about wanting ten to be allowed to say “fuck you, mickey” (specifically in rise of the cybermen when mickey gets mad at him for favouring rose). but right now i kind of love the image of rose in doomsday throwing herself at that wall and screaming FUCK!!!!!!
s3: the tensimm fan in me wants to replace “are you asking me out on a date?” with “are you trying to fuck?”. but i think it would be more gratifying if, in the same episode, we got to see martha say “fuck you, i’ll do what i like” to the doctor when he tells her not to call home
s4: this is DONNA we’re talking about. you expect me to choose just one? well. alright. “i was asleep, in my clothes, like a fucking kid!”. imagine how much it would hurt if all this time she’s been censoring herself and then, with her memory wiped, she’s suddenly back to cussing the hell out of everyone she meets
2009/2010 specials (yes im cheating shhh): in the end of time: “i had fucking estates”.
s5: river: ooh, i’m going to be a professor someday? doctor: (softly) fuuuuuuuck….
s6: instead of that amazing “the doctor is very dear to me. but you know what else he is? not here” speech that amy gives, she should just say “fuck you madame kovarian” and murder her in cold blood. genuinely like, amy was exhibiting insane restraint for a mother who’d had her child taken from her.
s7: “i didn’t know when i was well off. all fucking twelve of them.” “no sir — all fucking thirteen!”
s8: again, this is TWELVE. almost every line feels like a pg malcolm tucker. but i’m going to go with dark water’s “can you hurry up please or i’m going to hit you with my fucking shoe”
s9: easiest one yet: “get up, off your fucking arse, and win”.
s10: missy and the master: “hold me” “fuck me” “make me” (this scene made me queasy but those two are horribly fucked up and would 100% say this)
s11: i have only seen this season in snippets but i think someone in ‘rosa’ has got to tell a racist to go fuck themselves
s12: during the master’s whole pathetic “wahhh kneel call me master” spiel i think the doctor should have just told him to fuck off. when i saw that scene i was yelling at the screen for him to fuck off so i think she should be allowed to tell him to as well. or maybe spray him with a water pistol like a bad cat
s13: for some reason the first thing that comes to mind is evil dan but tbh he doesn’t need to say fuck. he’s already powerful enough. instead in that opening scene when thirteen is trying to get the voice activated handcuffs to open: “RELEASE!!! oh, maybe i was scottish when i set them up…….. fucking RRRRRELEASE!!!!!!!!”
s13 specials (cheating again shh): tegan: and yes, i WOULD like to go in the fucking tardis!!! (alternatively: “i know these teeth… what… WHAT… WHAT THE FUCK????”)
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oracleofdiscord · 8 months ago
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possible ninja ages/timeline thing
(note: the reason i say possible is because in general i think trying to find a fully definitive age for any of the ninja is ultimately a futile effort.
there were actually pieces of information that i ignored in this because they contradicted other information i was using, and it's possible i missed something entirely. in general, i tried to ignore twitter and focus on in-show stuff. there are also fan theories i incorporated and fan theories i ignored, so if you subscribe to a different set of headcanons/theories you could easily come up with different results than me)
this isn't me saying "hey guys i cracked the code!" this is me saying that this is a possible timeline for their ages)
okay so this is something i worked out recently when i was trying to develop my ninjago oc, estrella, to help me figure out an approximate age for her.
it uses as a base this rough timeline by @destinysbounty (both in the sense that i used it as a guide and in the sense that when i needed to start visualizing things, i wrote on/drew on/edited this picture)
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now, one theory i'm going off here is something that was proposed to me by @destinysbounty when i got confused about how harumi could be roughly the same age as lloyd both in flashbacks and in the present: the idea that after the tea, lloyd's body stopped aging until his mental age caught up with his physical age. this catch-up happened during the timeskip between s7 and s8, which is why his voice got lower
so this assumes that from s8 onwards, lloyd's mental and physical age match. other assumptions/pieces of evidence that i used:
kai mentions being a teenager during the oni trilogy, and thus is 19 at oldest
thanks to the flashback with baby nya, it can be assumed kai is at least a couple of years older than her
thanks to having seen nya and lloyd during s1 (where they have different body forms), it can be assumed nya is a least a couple of years older than him
(i've simplified this down to 2 years between each in my timeline, but there could definitely be an argument for more years. in my case, i felt like 2 years each made things line up in a way that made sense to me. feel free to make your own version and experiment with increasing the gap between nya and her siblings on either side but i've picked a number and i'm sticking to it)
@destinysbounty mentioned that most age estimates they'd seen for the pilots had nya in the 13-14 range
so, let's call nya 13 in the pilots/s1/s2 (the green chunk on the timeline). if lloyd was 2 years younger, he'd be 11, which works with the body form he had. if kai was 2 years older than nya, he'd be 15, which feels reasonable.
and let's call kai 19 during the oni trilogy. this would make nya 17 and lloyd 15, and also mean that 4 years have passed since s1. let's look at our rough timeline above. if the green chunk all takes place within a single year and there's a confirmed 1 year timeskip between s7 and s8, than for 4 years to have passed since the green chunk, the red chunk would need to be 3 years. which is a little on the short side, but within the bounds set by our rough timeline!
if lloyd was 15 in s8, he was 14 in s7. so going back to our earlier theory about his age, his chronological age caught up with his body in-between 14 and 15, and he started aging again. apparently 14.5 is kind of the upper boundary of when boys' voices change, so i'd say this checks out!
and here's my visual diagram of that
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(i only included the characters that i used in figuring this out - lloyd and harumi's age relative to each other, lloyd and nya's age relative to each other, kai and nya's age relative to each other, kai saying he was a teenager, lloyd's voice changing...
but i would assume all of the core 4 ninja are about the same age except zane, who has his own thing going on. maybe jay is a year younger than kai, putting him closer in age to nya.)
assuming that the rest of the initial timeline is correct (s11-s14 being a year, the post-seabound timeskip being a year, the merge timeskip being 5 years)...
in crystalized, lloyd would be 17, nya would be 19, and kai would be 21.
in dragons rising, lloyd would be 22, nya would be 24, and kai would be 26.
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feministsouthpark · 5 months ago
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South Park Filler Guide - Season 17
Link for Seasons  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8�� 9  10  11  12  13 14 15 16
You know the drill by now, I’ll judge whether an episode has all the qualities of a canon one, or is it just shameless filler.
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S17E1 Let Go, Let Gov is FILLER Eric unveils that the government keeps Santa as a hostage, but nobody cares. S17E2 Informative Murder Porn is FILLER The parents learn Minecraft and then proceed to never talk about it again.
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S17E3 World War Zimmerman is FILLER Tolkien and Eric get development, however it's not grand enough to count it. S17E4 Goth Kids 3: Dawn of the Posers is CANON Do I just like messing with everyone by caring so much about the goth kids canon specifically? Maybe, but the fact that the vampire kids teamed up with goths makes this one a big development for the rivaling teams.
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S17E5 Taming Strange is FILLER Ike gets hormones by accident, which is solved by the end of it. S17E6 Ginger Cow is FILLER Eric and Kyle accidentally create the peace between religions which Stan and Kenny accidentally ruin.
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S17E7 Black Friday is CANON S17E8 A Song of Ass and Fire is CANON S17E9 Titties and Dragons is CANON This is obviously a trilogy and it wouldn't make sense to grade them differently. The reason why they're canon is partly because they are the backbone of the video game, Stick of Truth, partly because how it deals with the main character dynamics, such as Scott Malkinson becoming friends with Butters and a more prominent character, and partly because it establishes backstory for Tom and Tammy Thompson (I know they are bit characters, but it all added up), and following through with the Vamps being on the same side as the goths!
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S17E10 The Hobbit is FILLER Wendy is against a fad, but in the end, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. South Park: The Stick of Truth is LORE
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At one point I wanted to include it as canon, however it's equal parts its own canon, as The New Kid doesn't appear in the show. But if you followed my guide, you won't have many questions playing this game, as I made sure to include the major references.
SPOILER-FREE RUNDOWN
S17E1 Let Go, Let Gov is FILLER S17E2 Informative Murder Porn is FILLER S17E3 World War Zimmerman is FILLER S17E4 Goth Kids 3: Dawn of the Posers is CANON S17E5 Taming Strange is FILLER S17E6 Ginger Cow is FILLER S17E7 Black Friday is CANON S17E8 A Song of Ass and Fire is CANON S17E9 Titties and Dragons is CANON S17E10 The Hobbit is FILLER South Park: The Stick of Truth is LORE* *It builds upon the series, but the series doesn't build upon it
CANON counter:
S1: 9 out of 13  S2: 3 out of 18  S3: 6 out of 18  S4: 10 out of 17  S5: 8 out of 14  S6: 11 out of 17 S7: 6 out of 15 S8: 4 out of 14 S9: 8 out of 14 S10: 4 out of 14 S11: 4 out of 14 S12: 8 out of 14 S13: 3 out of 14 S14: 7 out of 14 S15: 6 out of 14 S16: 2 out of 14 S17: 4 out of 10 + a highly lore based game
Overall: 103 out of 248
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the-ninja-legacy-whip · 8 months ago
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with all the timeline and aging talking going around, i couldnt help but wonder what youre thoughts are on time progress in Legacyverse (and if youre able how it applies to DR) 👀
Well, this is something I've discussed before (and here a bit), but I have since refined it!
Book 1, Pilots: May 20X1 - June 20X1 (Zane/Cole: 17, Kai/Jesse/Olivia: 16, Jay/Nya: 15, Lloyd: 13)
Book 2, S1: August 20X1 - November 20X1 (Zane/Cole/Kai: 17, Jesse/Olivia: 16, Jay turns 16, Nya: 15, Lloyd turns 14)
Book 3, S2: November 20X1 - very early January 20X2 (Zane/Cole/Kai: 17, Olivia turns 17, Jesse/Jay: 16, Nya: 15, Lloyd: 14)
Book 4, S3: Late March 20X2 - May 20X2 (Zane: 18, Cole turns 18, Kai/Olivia/Jesse: 17, Pixal: "16", Jay/Nya: 16, Lloyd: 14)
Book 5, S4: Summer 20X2 (Zane/Cole/Skylor: 18, Kai turns 18, Jesse: 17, Pixal/Jay/Nya: 16, Lloyd: 14)
Book 6, Post-S4: September 20X2 - October 20X2 (Zane/Cole/Kai/Skylor: 18, Jesse: 17, Jay turns 17, Pixal/Nya: 16, Lloyd turns 15)
Book 7, S5: October 29th, 20X2 - January 20X3 (this seems weird, but there's some tiny timeskips in a few spots) (Zane/Cole/Kai/Skylor: 18, Jesse/Jay: 17, Pixal turns "17", Nya: 16, Lloyd: 15)
Book 8, S6: May 20X3 - ???? (haven't quite locked in how long Skybound takes, but I have since decided it starts with Kai/Jay/Jesse's graduation + will occur over the summer SO-) (Zane/Cole: 19, Kai and Skylor turn 19, Jesse: 18, Jay/Pixal/Nya: 17, Lloyd: 15)
Book 9, DotD: October 29th, 20X3 (Zane/Cole/Kai/Skylor: 19, Jesse/Jay: 18, Pixal/Nya: 17, Lloyd: 16)
Book 10, S7: March 20X4 - May 20X4 (I know in-show it takes place immediately after DotD, but I've since tweaked some things) (Zane: 20, Cole turns 20 (maybe; if not, it happens like RIGHT after), Kai/Skylor/Jesse: 19, Jay/Pixal: 18, Nya turns 18, Lloyd: 16)
Book 11, S8+S9: September 20X4 - February 20X5 (again, seems excessive, but there's timeskips and big things that happen differently) (Zane turns 21, Cole/Kai/Skylor: 20, Jesse turns 20 (again, maybe; if not it happens immediately after), Jay and Pixal turn 19, Nya: 18, Lloyd turns 17)
(...also fun fact, this season/book roughly matches everyone's ages for the Royal!AU! ...with exception of Pixal, but still, anywaaaay—)
Book 12, NRG Arc (Wildbrain Seasons): a pending August 20X6 - December 20X6 (again, haven't fully sorted through this, but all these adventures save for maybe S11 wouldn't...be longer than a few days or a week or three, at most.) (Zane/Cole/Kai/Skylor: 22, Jesse: 21, Jay and Pixal turn 21, Nya: 20, Lloyd turns 19)
Book 13, Finale Arc (S10+Crystalized): December 20X7 (or whenever the anniversary of Seabound's events would be) - January 20X8. Possibly longer, possibly shorter. Knowing me, probably longer. (Zane turns 24, Cole/Kai/Skylor: 23, Jesse/Jay/Pixal: 22, Nya: 21, Lloyd: 20)
. . . I know that's a lot of colors and numbers, hope I didn't blind anyone ;w;
Anyway, that is where Legacyverse officially ends; everything beyond is just fun speculation and does not apply to nor affects nor reflects upon the story proper!!!!
The Merge: approx. January 2020 (In my head, there's a minimum of two years between Crystalized and the events of the Merge, giving ample space for Quest for Lost Powers to happen on top of giving these people at least a small break (and maybe Jesse a baby), but not so long that they're that much older either yet. Thus, this also puts the timing of the Merge in the year of 2020.)
So Zane is almost 26, Cole/Kai/Skylor: 25, Jesse/Jay/Pixal: 24, Nya: 23, and Lloyd: 22 at the time of The Merge, for my case for show!compliancy.
...though in the chain of events that do include Cam, I'd add on an extra two years of "downtime", which would then put The Merge in the year 2022...maybe on 2/2/22 for extra eerie factor oooOOOoooh)
So, ages for The Merge event in the Cam!Route would be Zane: 28, Cole/Kai/Skylor: 27, Jesse almost 27, Jay/Pixal: 26, Nya almost 26, and Lloyd: 24. Cam would also be two, almost three ;w;)/
DR: Aaaaaaand then, the general yet subjective consensus is that the time between the Merge itself and the start of the DR events has to be a minimum of 3-5 years for Arin/Sora to grow up from kids to teens with palpable differences + the "annual" events of the Crossroads to have merit + that dialogue exchange after Zane's freedom to make sense, etc.
For show!compliancy, I'd actually go with the three years side of spectrum. So in 2023 (heyo, the year DR began in meta time!!!), Zane is almost 29, Cole/Kai/Skylor: 28, Jesse/Jay/Pixal: 27, Nya: 26, and Lloyd: 25, ding ding ding ding!
...But since I am me, I have already committed to the full five years for my own personal hcs. So for the Cam!Route, I'd go with five years instead -> so in 2027, Zane: 33, Cole/Kai/Skylor: 32, Jesse almost 32, Jay/Pixal: 31, Nya almost 31, and Lloyd: 29. Cam would also be seven, almost eight.
So, yeah. Not 100% concrete thoughts or anything, but they're the things I've been munching on in my head. And this is just basing off of how time plays out in Legacyverse, not necessarily 1:1 to how I think things unfold in the show proper (...which I dunno if I could even begin to untangle beyond what I already have ._.)
Also, if you're curious about others' ages in relativity to all this:
Bridget is 2 years older than Olivia
Miranda+Nelson are 3 years younger than Jesse (or, one year younger than Lloyd)
Antonia is older than Jay by a month, otherwise they're the same
Harleigh and Sunni are roughly Nya's age (but Harleigh's older + Sunni's younger); Maggie fits in this group as well
Harumi and Darkley's kids are obvs Lloyd's age, just older than him
Meghan is roughly Zane's age
Chad is Kai's age (just younger by a few weeks)
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sammygender · 5 days ago
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how would you rank the seasons based on personal enjoyment
i think… s2 > s4 > s1 > s5 > s3 > s7 > s9 > s11 > s13 > s6 > s10 > s8 > s15 > s12 > s14. maybe??
s1&2 are the ones i tend to rewatch cause deans so much less of a prick and the vibe is absolute peak and it’s just so pretty to look at <3. i also have stockholm syndrome for s1 because i’ve watched it like seven times.
idk why s3 is the lowest kripke era it just never sticks in my head as a coherent season despite the amount of really good eps i think cause it’s only 16 eps i love bela desperately tho. s5 is too upsetting narratively wrt to sam arc for me to properly enjoy. 6 (to a lesser extent) and 8 tend to bore me even though they’re much better than 10/11/13. i do quite like parts of s6 though & i like its concepts. i weirdly enjoyed s15 but probably only because i watched it within 2 days and expected absolutely nothing from it.
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leikeliscomet · 6 months ago
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Thinking about 'jumping on points' for Waterloo Road. With returning and new fans I'm wondering if there's a way to catchup on the show like with Doctor Who:
Series 1 ✅
Well... yes! It's the start of the show and you can't beat the iconic opening seen so yh new fans should and could start here
Series 2 ❌
Not really? Directly continues the Tom/Lorna/Izzie storyline. The Brett stuff could work in isolation but still makes more sense to start from s1
Series 3 ❌
Nope. Continued Donte, Mika, Brett, Chlo, Tom and Davina arcs from s1/2 so you'd prolly be lost. You could start from Rachel's intro because this is also the start of the Rachel Mason era but then you'd have to understand the context of the other teachers. Bolton, Paul, Michaela etc join this season too so maybe but with the amount of storylines directly continued from the previous seasons... prolly not.
Series 4 ⛔
Maybe? The Donte and Chlo storyline and Kim and Andrew's return again works better with the s1 context. But, the Kelly family arc does start here and you could watch that without previous season's context. Not really sure.
Series 5 ✅
Yup! I watched the show from here and it made sense. The John Foster's arc is one of the best from this show and there's a lot of new characters in this season so its a great watch. The only downside is this is the end of the 'Mason era' and honestly this series hits different when you see these characters grow from s3.
Series 6 ✅
Yes. Start of the 'Fisher era' so not a lot of previous context is needed. Only downside is the Josh, Finn, Amy, Lauren era starts from s3-s5 so to see their full growth maybe not put if that's not a concern then go ahead.
Series 7 ✅
Yes again especially because it's broken up. 7a (episodes 1-10) is the 'Fisher era' post all the Bex stuff from s6 so you can start there. Or, you start from 7b (11-30) which is the Byrne era which has brand new characters and doesn't use a lot of previous seasons context. Grantly and Tom's storylines however is another situation of 'watching all the previous seasons makes this feel more emotional' but again if this isn't that deep you might as well. This is also the end of the OG Rochdale era so again, starting earlier makes the experience more enjoyable but this is subjective.
Series 8 ✅⛔
Yes... but for the wrong reasons. Mainly ignores a large chunk of s7 despite being a direct continuation. This is the Scotland era which most fans dislike because the working class Rochdale roots are gone by this point. You don't need context to understand the Scotland character's arcs including Rhiannon (she's a Rochdale character but not in s7...?). The weaker story is also behind from this season too so you can art here but it wouldn't be an authentic representation of the show IMO. Plus season 11+ continues from the Rochdale era. It's unclear whether or not the events from S8-10 are canon but unaddressed or if the show has retconned it so if you choose to start here its unlikely you'll need this to understand s11+. On a technical level yes, but I personally wouldn't recommend it.
Series 9 ✅⛔
Same as s8. Large chunks of previous season were ignored so not a lot of previous context is needed and new character storylines but again, not really ideal.
Series 10 ✅
Same as s8-9. Some underrated characters this season however like Justin and Dale so if you don't mind 1 season storylines go ahead.
Series 11 ✅
Yes. As the reboot season it does a decent job at catching up the Rochdale era. Also if you're tuning in for Preston x Kai this season is the beginning of their story so yes it's essential for the shippers!
Series 12 ❌
Seasons 11-13 are one big arc so not really. Just like s1 it makes sense to just start at the beginning
Series 13 ❌
Nope. Season 12 context is needed for this and to get season 12 you need to watch season 11. These seasons are the shortest of the show only 7 episodes long so its worth starting at the beginning.
These are just my thoughts this is not a definite guide to Waterloo Road! S1, S5, S6, and S7 for me personally are the best ways to start the show but you can do whatever you want!
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thebiggestmenace · 10 months ago
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here's why lmao
do indeed remember this season
the baby's name is Amara?? or is the guy just that out of it?
omg Sam is infected!!!! big shocker!!!! (menace knew this)
and the baby has the Mark of Cain???
hi, Billie!!!!
first mention of the Empty... I have a feeling this comes back around in s15
the holy oil worked???
Dean wrapping Cas in the blanket :(((
is this episode just from Baby's perspective? I love episodes with weird perspectives!!
"say it with me - a ✨️werepire✨️"
Finn Wolfhard?!
why do they keep flashing back to Sam's time in Hell??
I forgot Amara was God's sister
I also completely forgot about Sully wtf
Sam, please do not say yes. please
where did she send Dean?? oh, just to safety nvm
you had to have known this was a terrible idea, Sam
you're ready to watch the people you love die? really?
of course they're all in there now
so, if Lucifer is possessing Cas, then where is Cas? or are there just two angels in him?
Eileen!! I know the actress and I've seen people post about her, but I don't remember her?
did Mildred just insinuate that Dean has a crush on Cas?? cause I feel like she did... nvm I forgot about Amara smh
dude, the boys don't even sound the same in earlier seasons :o I hadn't noticed until now
Lucifer is not caged, actually
you have Crowley in a dog cage?? and are treating like a literal dog??
also if Cas isn't Lucifer's perfect vessel, why isn't it showing? like it showed for Nick?
Dean being absolutely devastated that Cas said yes to Lucifer vs Sam just rolling with that punch
they are such children 🤭
Bobby and Rufus were definitely a thing btw
I've said if before and I'll say it again, I miss Bobby
and Sam's been shot, how fun
but he's not actually dead?
a married hunter couple!!!
omg is this the episode we find out Chuck is God??? *
* it is!!! I always thought this happened in an earlier season
and Chuck has the samulet?? I could have sworn Sam had it?
KNEW HE HAD IT (did Chuck throw that in his pocket? maybe. but I will die on this hill. Sam kept it)
KEVIN??? oh nvm he's gone now
Amara is so,,,,,,, unsettling
omg family therapy with God and Lucifer!
of course Sam's gonna take the Mark without talking to Dean 🙄
is this actually gonna work?
did she just kill Lucifer and God??
guess not, okie
Cas is back!!!
all the goodbyes are normal and then he gets to Cas and is almost in tears???
so, it's fine? everything's normal now?
????? Sam just got shot at again???
gonna be honest, I thought Toni was Mary
another season down, hooray!!! this one was so??? I want to say anticlimactic, which was nice considering the other season finales! it's just odd? also wtf happened with Sam? did he get shot? cause it didn't sound it, so what happened? is there just a forcefield around the man? I guess we shall find out
s1, s2, s3, s4, s5, s6, s7, s8, s9, s10, s11, s12, s13, s14, s15
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Sending this from my kinda not main but I was wondering how ningajo had changed from after the release of the movie. The last season I watched was skybound but I don't even remember if I finished that😭 but what I wanted to ask is does the story remain the same as it was b4 then? I've been trying to pick it back up for maybe 5+ years or so? The change in character design def threw me off and I felt kinda lost. (Sorry this is so long orz)
no you're good!! i love talking about my favorite show :D
you're correct in saying that the movie changed a lot of things. the character design, the world design, and the tone of the story changed a lot after the movie aired, and another change is lloyd's voice actor changing from jillian michaels to sam vincent (also the voice of double d from ed edd n eddy fun fact)
dw it took me a while to get used to the new designs (i remember being PISSED at the fact that they changed them djkghdkjfhg) keep in mind that there's also a canonical timeskip between s7 and s8
the story is.... well it's ninjago dfgjkhdkfjgh the core story remains the same, aka its a group of silly colorcoded ninja fighting crime and saving the world from being destroyed. again. but seasons 8, 9, and 10, usually referred to as the oni trilogy, have a much darker feel because the writers noticed their more mature audience and wrote to fit, while also still being a kids show.
the main change really happens after animation studios switch from wilfilm to wildbrain. wildbrain era (seasons 11-16) have a different animation ... vibe? like, the animation remains mostly the same, but there's different textures (hair gets textured, you can see every little wrinkle in leather, etc) and faces are animated differently, as well as using different animation techniques as is standard for a different animation studio, but the story also gets a big change
a bunch of things get tweaked post-wildbrain. for instance, the series is just ninjago now, not the masters of spinjitzu. elemental masters are just elementals. missions are called quests. sensei wu is now master wu (though i'm blanking on if this happens s8 or s11). they sometimes have anime segments (don't ask). and uh. most of the plotlines from the previous seasons are kinda... ignored? like, wildbrain heavily prioritizes its own seasons rather than the previous seasons, meaning a lot of that stuff becomes obsolete. tragic, but nothing we can do about it.
the main change in the wildbrain era is that the episodes are all 11 minutes long now instead of 22 minutes. this is remedied by having More episodes per season, but the shorter episodes are an interesting factor in how the seasons play out. many say that the seasons feel too rushed because of that, and i have to agree on some cases. but theyre decently handled for the longer seasons (s11 and s16)
so... the story. is it the same ninjago as s1-10 was? hard to say. post-movie was the start of an era for sure, and wildbrain had some thoughts about where it would go, but i can't say it's all bad. the oni trilogy is a masterpiece of writing (though its not wildbrain, its still wilfilms), s11 is pretty good if you ignore the bigger flaws, s12 is . ok i'm not the biggest fan but it's a very fun season its just clunky dkfghkdjhg but season 13 is amazing and i love it. seasons 14 and 15 are also good :) seabound esp
don't talk to me about the finale. i WILL rant about it. too much. this is a threat.
but despite it all, it's still ninjago. the same fun cast, the same stories of the ninja being dumbasses and saving the world, they just look slightly different. if the redesigns really bother you, there's not much i can say about that unfortunately. it took me a very long time to get used to it and i was in HEAVY denial for a while, but you warm up to them. after all, they gave us superstar <3 and that's all that matters
also you do not need to finish skybound it is . it's skybound! watch hands of time (s7) tho its very funny
tldr: i can't say whether the story stays the same post-wildbrain (s11-16), but i heavily recommend watching the oni trilogy. if the new designs squick you out, there's not a lot you can do but get used to it. if you want to give it another chance, go for it!! the movie either scared people off or invited people in, so it's up to you how you feel about the movie and its effect on the show. all i can say is you gotta make your own opinion about it, and if you wanna liveblog or stream any more thoughts about ninjago, feel free to message me again!! my askbox is open (and so are my dms if anything :D)
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I'm not one of the people who really hates late seasons, but like I definitely think there's been a downgrade in s12 and s13 (haven't watched s14 or s15 yet). Idk quite how to articulate why I feel this way, but I think it has something to do with how the story and the characters are presented. Like s12 and s13 have more stuff happening while also having far less substance.
In s1 it was mostly MOTW episodes, but every single episode you learned something new about the brothers and how it affected their relationship. That stays true for most of the early seasons. Then there started to be far more complex overarching plots like the Apocalypse in s4 and s5 or the MoC stuff in s9 and s10 and other things. I think the main thing that distinguishes them from s12 and s13 is how those arcs all contribute to Sam and Dean's characters and their relationship with each other.
Some people may dislike Carver era (I don't), but it did a really good job at having all of the conflicts (except for some of the angel stuff that was Cas' problem) circle back to the characters. The Trials were deeply interconnected with both Sam and Dean's mental states, and the MoC explored Dean's relationship with helplessness and anger and violence. That plot culminated in Sam letting the Darkness be released which proved Sam was lying in s9 when he claimed he wouldn't do extremely questionable things to save Dean. These seasons had more overarching plot but they all fit into building up the brothers' relationship.
S12 has three main plot lines: Mary, BMoL, and Lucifer/Lucifer's baby. The frustrating thing with s12 is that those plots all have potential. Lucifer being back was a great time to explore Sam's headspace, especially since they'd been forced to ally with Lucifer at the end of s11. They could've had personal moments, but instead they went for the grand "the devil possesses the president and sires a super powerful mindcontrolling baby" route which, yeah, is more dramatic, I guess, but it doesn't tell us anything new about Sam or build his relationships further. s5 had this through line about Sam's deep inner anger and resentment and how that connected to Lucifer. While possessed at the end of the season, Lucifer makes him kill a bunch of demons who've been helping him be controlled his entire life and he was scared but he also enjoyed it. That's what made his relationship with Lucifer interesting. s7 has a thing about Sam "letting him in" and s11 dances around that before he refuses to be his vessel again. In s12 Sam is much less angry with the world and in a far more stable place in his life, there's a lot to say about how he'd react to Lucifer now and what do they do with it? Pretty much nothing. He looks scared when he's around him. Yes, it's very good acting on Jared's part and I'm glad for the crumbs, but there just isn't the actual integral-to-the-plot substance that there was in earlier seasons.
And then the brought back Mary! I may be in the minority, but I actually really liked the whole actually Mary kinda sucked too thing. There were hints of it in earlier episodes (mostly 5x16), but it was interesting to see how the boys reacted to her. There was a lot of characterization information in their relationship with her. How Sam tended to get along with her better, but Dean seemed more inclined to reach out. Dean's childish dreams that maybe if his mom was around his life would be better were crushed as he realized that Mary wasn't anything like he thought he remembered her to be (and that she was actually far more like him, even in some less positive ways). Sam trying to play family peacekeeper, a position he'd never had to take before. It culminates in Dean realizing that he blamed Mary for everything that had gone wrong in his life (even if it wasn't totally her fault) then forgiving her for making the deal to save John because he understands her (anyone else think of the moment in s5 when Sam tells young John that he forgave his father for everything because he now understands what it's like to go through a loss that breaks you?).
That's the sort of stuff that I fell in love with Supernatural for. It tells you about the brothers and their relationship with each other and with other people. Their relationship with Mary could've been one of the most interesting things the show did, except they bungled it by mashing it together with the BMoL plot. Instead of developing more of Sam and Mary's relationship or making it so that Dean's confrontation at the end of the season seemed less abrupt, they focused far more on the increasingly-cartoonish BMoL enemies. And it's not like there was nothing there with that plot. There was potential for commentary on the good of the many vs the good of the few and the existence of good monsters and shades of gray, but instead they made them be evil British people who brainwash people and torture them for no fucking reason. They establish that most of the operatives were abused and manipulated only to kill them all anyway (a really bad look when your good guys are supposed to save people and believe that some "monsters" can be changed). What does "evil British people" tell you about Sam and Dean? It's briefly mentioned that Sam wanted to just follow orders and not lead sometimes but only in one conversation and it's never explored again. They just go "oh we can help people" then "whoopsie we were right and they actually were totally evil lets go kill them!"
And s13 has the whole Jack thing which could be an exploration of nature vs nurture but instead they try so hard to make the audience like Jack that the subject is just barely touched on. Sam is projecting onto him but never has any self-awareness of it, and Dean gets over his rational if very harsh reservations within a few episodes. What does that tell us about them? It could say a lot, but instead they're making a man in his late twenties act like a toddler for sympathy points. I actually like Jack, but I kinda wish he'd earned it more. Idk I still have a ways to go with s13, maybe they do start engaging with the themes they've hinted at more. I've liked how they've discussed Dean's depression which has been present in the show for a long time (s7 dealt with it a lot), and I also liked how in 13x04 Sam blew up with his feelings about how he felt that he didn't have a connection with Mary and his desperation for that is part of why he (rightly) has hope that Mary's still alive. The alternate universe where they don't exist also gives room to explore their places in their own world.
Idk I think there's lots of room to build on their characters even after thirteen seasons. I just hope that they go with what they have and stay grounded in how things inform their relationships instead of going for the flashy "wow look how cool/grand in scale this is!" choices like they did in s12.
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spicyicymeloncat · 2 years ago
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(Sorry it took so long @birdbound I just moved house and then procrastinating writing this. I drew kid Kai tho so you can’t be too mad
Kai!!! It’s him! The big man! Love to see it! I feel like I’ve talked about him a lot recently so I’m not sure what to say without repeating points. I think people tend to feel really strongly about this character and honestly I have a few mixed opinions on his portrayal in the show (although I think I tend to disagree with a bunch of people’s opinions about him too, so maybe I’m just weird).
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Also look!!! I got his core set! This is actually my first Ninjago set ever (because I stopped collecting Lego before I decided Ninjago will take all my brain space). I love the evo sets because they just put dorky stories in the instructions which was really fun, look how happy he is. I actually drew Kai in his evo gi because yes.
Anyways…
So one of Kai’s main defining character traits is that he’s a little rugged, a little mean and I don’t mean this in a bad way I just mean that like in the pilots when they’re first establishing the characters everyone has like they’re defining thing. Cole is the buff commanding one (and his main gimmick in the pilots is about subverting that trait with his fear of dragons), Jay is the one who talks too much (which is again subverted when he loses his voice) and Zane is just doesn’t understand social cues. And Kai is defined as someone who struggles working in a team because he literally doesn’t care about anyone there, which I think is understandable, he’s under a lot of stress. But he is the one to take offence and do things on his own terms.
Yknow how Kai has main character vibes? Although after the pilots he doesn’t even do that much? I think Kai actually has lancer vibes but because the actual main character arrived late and was having a villain arc, Kai kinda fills that role without Lloyd. What happens when the lancer character hasn’t yet found the hero character? Well since they’re supposed to contrasting parallel to the hero, they have the potential to have just as much main character energy.
Also all the other ninja have major side character energy that Kai just doesn’t yknow? I think this is a more prominent reason as to why Kai is seen as the main character. Because he doesn’t have side character energy like everyone else. All of the other ninja’s true potential episodes aren’t related to the main plot but just other personal things to those Ninja (Cole and Zane’s backstories and Jay’s love life), but Kai’s was also the resolution to the “who’s the green ninja” arc, which was prominent to the whole season and the green ninja stuff in general is significant throughout the whole show.
But yeah Kai had major bad boy lancer energy and as of the team dynamic he’s usually takes the more headstrong role. He’s not afraid to criticise the actions of the team (s8, s11), tends to have a habit of going off on his own and not working/communicating with the team (pilots, s1 kinda, s7), also his absolute outwards confidence (s3 when he went on that date and was just showing off, s6, s9 when he said he was the looks of the team, s12 kinda). Although he’s not a total paragon like Lloyd or Zane, he provides a much needed second opinion to the team and makes things more interesting. And it means that his softer side is just that much more endearing.
I’d argue that Kai has two central themes in his arcs and character growth: destiny/being a hero/power and family/general care:
- In the pilots he’s motivated to save his family, whilst learning to work with others
- s1 he has to learn to not obsess over destiny and instead learn to be a good mentor figure to Lloyd
- S4 he literally had to compete in a power contest and also his complex about the green ninja is back
- S5 he has to save Lloyd who had officially reached baby bro status
- S6 his father is foreshadowed
- S7 his parents. They exist.
- S9 isn’t much but he empathises with dragons
- S11 he loses his powers (another power complex
These are really interesting and I kinda wish they got developed better but we’ll get to my gripes later.
Something that’s funny is that, every time Kai isn’t having a power complex, he’s given a gimmick for the season and everytime the gimmick is that he sucks at something fr. s3 he doesn’t get technology, s4 he can’t skate, s5 can’t swim, s12 sucks at video games. Hes not even a good blacksmith like s10 was about him being like “oh no the world is relying on my awful blacksmith skills” (Although he perseveres). He’s like, the anti-Jay. Can get bitches and has zero talents. I mean this affectionately and I love him for it but man whenever the writers don’t know what to do with him they make him suck at the core theme of the season. I mean I guess it’s cuz he’s goofy like that. Kinda a himbo who only knows swords and we should all appreciate him for that. I’ll come back to this too.
So here’s where the takes get slightly more critical but I think it’s safe to say that Kai is kinda undeveloped. He has main characters energy but not actually that much focus in the first two seasons, and whilst we get everyone’s backstories in s1, we don’t for Kai, we don’t even get to discuss his parentlessness at all. Whilst he has the green ninja prophecy and goes into that more prominently than everyone else, he still shares it with the rest of the cast.
In s4, I still believe that it’s a Kai season as much as s3 is a Zane season, but it’s more like he’s the camera into the world, rather than having arcs. I think it’s because everyone else feels like they’re side characters doing side arcs that aren’t inherent to the main plot. So Kai feels like a main character because he doesn’t do side plots. Maybe it might be the fact that the main arc Kai had was Skylor and imo the romance was not amazingly written. Like all he did was heart eyes at her until she stopped being evil. Idk they just weren’t that compelling to me. Also I don’t think they really address Kai in regards to the consequences of the last season, not in the same way as Jay and Cole. And also the green ninja thing felt very spontaneous, I thought that arc ended 2 seasons ago?
In s5 he has the whole Lloyd brother thing and the snowboarding scene and him jumping into water for Lloyd was good I just think they really could have and should have done more with his character in s5. Especially since Morro, his evil parallel, was right there.
And then s7. Ughhhhh. Most people say this is the worst season and they are right. Yes we finally get the parents. For some reason Kai wants to kill them at first but that doesn’t really have a deeper meaning beyond Kai being fooled easily and jumps to conclusions. They could’ve dived into maybe Kai resents his parents a little bc he has trauma of them leaving or something and that’s why, but they don’t. The time twins are also annoying, like every other villain is either incredibly plot relevant (the overlord gives us fsm lore, Morro gives us wu lore, Chen gave us elemental masters worldbuilding) or are fun (pythor manipulates children, Chen takes over the world via elaborate roller derby competitions, Nadakhan relies on wordplay and managed to uproot the city), and the time twins are neither. They’re just random elementals who think they’re better than everyone else because of a saying to do with their powers and their goal is to destroy technology?? I don’t think Kai really goes through an arc or character develops and neither does anyone else (apart from maybe Lloyd?).
I don’t even remember if Kai got anything in s9 other than his one how to train a dragon tm moment, although he gets a little focus in s10 with the weapons. And then in s11 he definitely does get an arc, it just feels kinda unnecessary especially when all it took to get his powers back was just to try really hard? Like had he not already tried before? And then in the rest of the wildbrain era, he mostly takes a back seat.
Idk he has a really good set up and all the themes that link to him are there, but his writing never fully sees it through. S7 is the biggest let down because it has the perfect villains to parallel Kai, as in power hungry, self appointed tyrants when Kai himself has struggled with a power complex and thinking he deserves a high ranking title. I’d really like for Kai’s parentlessness to be brought up a lot more as an established reason why he does the things he does in s1-4 especially since he does briefly talk about it in s5 and it sets up his s7 arc. It would also be nice if Kai got more of an arc about how he coped with Zane’s death in s4, since whilst we can see Cole and Jay leaving because they could probably tear the place down if they were together any longer but Kai still had Nya and Lloyd so it would be really interesting to explore how much pain he felt that he decided to leave them, and again we could go on to the parallels Kai shares with his parents and how he too briefly becomes an absent figure in his family’s life. Also would be cool if Kai had more of a connection with Morro on their similar stories in s5. And for god’s sake make s7 make sense it was supposed to be the finale of Ninjago and it was lame. Brief thoughts about the rewrite I’m planning but it would be cool if Krux, in his way of controlling the situation, actually partially raised Kai and Nya (as in visits on holidays). Then he has a personal connection and is a much creepier villain, holding more control and power over the situation. And maybe his goal is to change the timeline due to trying avert some sort of destiny prophecy thing, just to tie in that theme Kai has. Idk idk.
Also with the fact that Kai tends to be not good at a lot of things like technology or swimming, whilst it’s just a comedic gag and not plot significant, I think it would hit better and feel less mean if it was in contrast to Kai usually being skilled. Like take the fact that he nearly beat Cole in the first episode but reference that Kai is independently one of the strongest fighters on the team. Let’s say he’s the best swordsman, the best at offensively utilising his powers (albeit not great at damage control) and has the constitution to take damage and continue fighting. He probably trained the hardest because he was fuelled by firstly, saving Nya in the pilots and then wanting to be the green ninja, and even when the team splits up, he continues training and fighting (red shogun). Then him facing adversity in incredibly mundane areas is funny because “Kai? One of the most proficient ninja, master over fire and expert with the blade, doesn’t know how to swim?”. It also makes s11’s arc better set up, as Kai losing his powers is even more about his loss of identity, he literally attaches his skill and power to his sense of worth.
Okay I’m not gonna make a big deal about this next paragraph but since this is all my opinion, I do want to elaborate on why I said that I tend to disagree with other fans when I’m talking about Kai, because (Crystalised p1 spoilers) I actually like how he was portrayed in the first episode. He had a really mature reaction and functional (not entirely healthy but functional and work in progress) coping mechanism in relation to loss. Sure it would’ve been nice if we got more of a focus on what went down with him, but I think there wasn’t a lot of time to do so since the plot moved really fast. I think people kinda expected Kai to just be angry and angry only but I really enjoy seeing him in a different light, because it still feels in character to me. Also I think sometimes Kai gets simplified down in to angry overprotective brother when he’s actually a really chill bro who even in s1 isn’t even that amazing at the concept of “looking after child”. People act like he raised Nya when they’re almost the same age and he talks about Nya as if they mutually had each other instead of Kai being in charge. Like Nya probably beat up his bullies tbh. Kai hasn’t ever been overprotective of Nya as seen when he’s supportive of her being samurai x and also of Jay and Nya for the most part(pilots don’t count because he just had a normal reaction when your family gets kidnapped, and idk what Wu’s teas are on tbh but I reject that one ep). And also Kai was the one to lose Lloyd in s1 when he got captured by snakes. Only really after Garmadon died did Kai step up and make a big deal out of the brother figure business for Lloyd. Overall sometimes imo ppl play up his backstory the angst but then ignore interesting arcs for him, or the integrity for other characters or even take it out on the writers and stuff, and like if that’s how you like your eggs then sure. It does kinda annoy me if I think a character is being misinterpreted but that’s kinda just my personal beef ig.
All around, Kai is a pretty solid character with just enough interesting points for people to dig their teeth into. He definitely deserved better than s7 but oh well. I love the mini figure I got for him tho he looks so dorky and I keep fidgeting with him cuz he’s on my desk
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best series? (new and classic 😊)
LIZZI THAT'S HARD
instinct says new who s1/s4/s10, classic who s12/s25 and like, i am right and i know that because they're the series' that everyone ever would pick. well maybe people would pick s13 classic because pyramids of mars rightfully is a banger episode but overall i think sarah is better in her earlier series - not that she's ever NOT good but like, she's at her strongest when she's more than just tom baker's funney friend, and s12 has genesis (which unpopular opinion, is more boring than everyone thinks) but objectively, it's a best. and of course s25 is remembrance, happiness patrol, silver nemesis, greatest show, and you'd probably struggle to get a better run of episodes (no i don't care what people say silver nemesis IS good it's FUN and dr who is no good when it's not FUN)
and you can't beat the way the end of s1 makes you feel. i don't care what people say, the slitheen are fine actually. actually all of s1 is so raw - the end of the world? father's day? dalek? boom town? (yes everyone who hates boom town is WRONG christoper eccleston is SO POWERFUL). and how can you dislike s4 like really. 10&donna are in the top three iconic doctor/companion duos of all time. they are just that good. there's actually not a single episode of s4 i find a bit of a slog which i do in pretty much every other new who series. and do i even need to say why s10 is the best? it's moff actually following through on his potential. it's the gorgeous and devastating finale. it's bill potts!!!
so yea i think i stand by that as best. unfortunately i think the masses are right on this one. but in terms of best to me, classic s7 (liz shaw BELOVED), s11 (because sarah is the best in her first series, she really is), s23 (trial of a time lord is good actually everyone else who hates it can shut up. do they not like fun????); and new s5 (anyone who hates amy can fight me and also like. it does make sense. like it's silly and overcomplicated but you're telling me the big bang doesn't make you feel?). they're the best in my heart and i won't be dissuaded
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ace-beef · 3 years ago
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Introductory Always Sunny Episodes
So upon yelling about this show so much to anybody who would listen or at least tolerate being in the same room as me, I somehow managed to get a few people interested in watching the show. Now, how I was introduced into the show was my friends showing me random, good, episodes from random seasons and I think that that is the best way to get into the show, because it eases a new viewer into the unique vibe of the show and it’s wacky characters. 
And so I spent literal days compiling (or at least trying to compile) the most perfect list of episodes to introduce someone to the show who has never seen it before (most of my time was spent rewatching episodes tbf). I even spent the time to organise the list into a specific watch order so you just watch down the list and follow it from top to bottom. 
Anyway I decided to show it here because maybe it’ll be useful for people! It’ll be under the break (also where some episodes got taken off streaming services it changed the episode numbers of some episodes. I’ve put down both numbers but like I’ve also written the episode title obvs so yeah) 
- ‘Sweet Dee has a Heart Attack’ S4 EP9 - 'The Gang Gets Quarantined' S9 EP7 - 'The Gang Goes to a Water Park' S12 EP2 - 'Bums: Making a Mess All Over the City' S3 EP14 - 'Storm of the Century' S7 EP6 - 'Charlie Work' S10 EP4 - 'The Gang Hits the Road' S5 EP2 - 'Reynolds vs Reynolds: The Cereal Defence' S8 EP10/EP9 - 'The Gang Exploits the Mortgage Crisis' S5 EP1 - 'The Gang Gets Stranded in the Woods' S6 EP11/EP10 - 'The Gang Texts' S14 EP5/EP4  - 'CharDee MacDennis: The Game of Games' S7 EP7 - 'Dennis and Dee Go on Welfare' S2 EP3 - 'Hundred Dollar Baby' S2 EP5 - 'The Gang Solves Global Warming' S14 EP7/EP6 - 'The Gang Gets Trapped' S7 EP9 - 'Frank Sets Sweet Dee on Fire' S3 EP8 - 'Underage Drinking: A National Concern' S1 EP3 - 'How Mac Got Fat' S7 EP10 - 'Charlie Kelly: King of the Rats' S6 EP10/EP9  - 'Mac and Dennis Move to the Suburbs' S11 EP5 - 'The Aluminium Monster vs Fatty Magoo' S3 EP5 - 'The Gang Buys a Boat' S6 EP3 - 'The Gang Dines Out' S8 EP9/EP8  - 'Mac Finds His Pride' S13 EP10
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ninjago-happens-here · 3 years ago
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I actually don't understand why people think Kai's underrated
A lot of people argue that Kai's never had a focus season- but I disagree. I feel like he's had a big part in many seasons.
I'd say that Pilot + S1 are Kai's seasons. Mainly because he's the focus and there are a lot of 'main character tropes'
In S2 the focus has shifted more to Lloyd but Kai is still playing quite a big part, as we can see from the Garmadon Tower elimination sequence
In S3, Kai had at least 2 focus episodes
S4 is basically Kai's season- love interest, conflicting emotions, saving the girl- sure it's shared by Lloyd and maybe abit of Zane, but Kai's got the most attention
S5 is actually a Kai and Nya season, as opposed to a Lloyd Season. Sure, you can argue that it's a Morro season, but the amount of fight scenes and winning fight scenes Kai has, as well as Nya in the second half- it's the Smith siblings season. (In fact, I was doing some action editing when I realised just how much screen time, lines and animation Kai had in this season) Lloyd truthfully only had like 2-3 episodes?
S6 is kinda where Kai is taken out of the equation quickly, but he still had 2 episodes on him at least
S7 is definitely Kai and Nya's season. Finding about their parents, the boiling sea, the final battle- Lloyd's little subplot has nothing on this.
S8 is the truly Lloyd focused season, whereas S9 is like an overall season. S10 had that moment reforging the golden weapons- but that was all.
Now, S11 kinda dealt with Kai a little bit, and S12 he was also a little side character. S13 he was given a little more maybe. And I think the rest can be understood in how little they gave Kai attention, but it's not like he needs it at this point.
The reason why many people might not realise this is that they've been given the same amount of Kai for like- forever. So there's no sudden increase in appearences, or noticeable character change- because he's been changing for quite some time now. He doesn't react on his temper as much anymore.
The other thing is that his personality doesn't really have depth... he's the jock type, so while he may be charismatic in that way, it can be hard to find a character change especially when jock type characters usually remain the same for some time. Mainly because they don't have the brains to change that much, or their personality is that shallow.
This is mainly from memory, but I can and will get the actual numbers if you need further proof. I will calculate screen time by the focus of the camera, as well as multiplying it by the occupation of the screen. For example, close up on the eyes = x2. This will be excluding intros of course.
If I remember correctly, Jay has the most number of lines, but only because he talks so much. I will still count lines and try to see if they hold any more importance. I'll still use the multiplier, and if it's a teaching/moral quote / impactful quote, it'll get multiplied by 150% or 190%
By action, I will count the number of fight scenes (along with the duration of said fight scenes)
That is all.
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