#Katerina claes

[cherrysphinx]

Just finished this show.

Season one was so cute and wholesome. Season two was a bit questionable, but it was still entertaining. (I kinda wished it ended at season one honestly.)

[almdragonrend]

I found another old conversation I had, here it is, but I warn you, it's long...

! Yes another reaction! Im really happy we getting more of it!

But please remember OG Katarina's Good deed's not only the Bad ones

And please PLEASE for the Love of Akatosh don't trie to justify Katarina's Exile as if it was anything but in act of complete and crulety!

I have nothing more to say and hope to read more soon

StrangerWager on Chapter 1Sat 01 Oct 2022 02:00PM CEST

As a person who haven't read much of the manga nor the Light Novels, and only with prior knowledge from the anime, I have zero clue of what was OG Katarina's deeds that were not bad. I would appreciate it if I were to be enlightened with some of these facts I do not know about.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Sat 01 Oct 2022 02:24PM CEST

Okay thank you for asking ^_^ i'd love tell you !

First of when Katarina was younger Baron sherry came to house Claes to force Anne in to a Forced Marriage that played out In OG Fl

The same way it did in they Anime,what you may not know is that the Mann he tried to marry her of to was already above 60 years! And known for committing Domestic Violence on his previous Wifes,So little OG Katarina stood up to protect her lowly Maid who is nothing more than a Commoner point from a grown ass scary looking Adult,

She also never bullyd Sophia despite the rest of Sociar Nobility Children doing it

She even told her own grown clique to leave Sophia alone as she was the little sister of her fiances best friend

Which is more than Geordo ever did for the Ascards,

She encouraged Sianna Nelson daughter of the lowest ranked Noble family in all of Sociar after seeing her hard work

And Sianna became Katarina's best friend despite being just one single step about a Commoner in her status

Which shows that even OG Katarina cared more about a persons personality than status when choosing friends

She only gets on trial in the routes were Maria tries it with either Katarina's Fiance or adopted Brother or both

And that with the Alan was just a miss translation when the Harem route was meant

Ps:I hope this was helpfull,please tell me ^_^

Last Edited Sat 01 Oct 2022 02:27PM CEST

StrangerWager on Chapter 1Sat 01 Oct 2022 02:37PM CEST

You have my deepest gratitude. Thank you for the new found knowledge that shall be used for this work.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Sat 01 Oct 2022 02:43PM CEST

Im the one who should thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain ^-^

But there is also something else...

It's just a rumor so i didn't include it in my explanation,

Do you wanna hear it ?

StrangerWager on Chapter 1Sat 01 Oct 2022 02:44PM CEST

By all means go ahead, I'll fact check it along the way.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Sat 01 Oct 2022 02:57PM CEST

Thank you ^_^!

Well there actually two rumours

First of,apparently no matter which route you choose Maria's actuall first crush was Katarina even in the FL time line

Second the more obvious Katarina only behaved the way she did in the Game because of Raphael/Sirius dark magic

Please let me know what you think or know about that ^_^!

Thank you ^_^!

Well there actually two rumours

First of,apparently no matter which route you choose Maria's actuall first crush was Katarina even in the FL time line

Second the more obvious Katarina only behaved the way she did in the Game because of Raphael/Sirius dark magic

Please let me know what you think or know about that ^_^!

StrangerWager on Chapter 1Sat 01 Oct 2022 03:29PM CEST

Well, that certainly is something, I'll still see if whether or not this may be used or not.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Sat 01 Oct 2022 03:32PM CEST

Thank you ^_^!

Im already hiped for the next chapter ^_^!

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Sun 02 Oct 2022 12:57PM CEST

Hold it... the dark magic thing makes too much sense.

Since OG Katarina's exagerated actions towards OG Maria were out of character for her if what you said is true.

It would also explain why an trained swordsman like OG Geordo would Kill OG Katarina instead of disarming her despite being (probably) skilled enough for it...

OG Keith magic going crazy is more easily believable.

So...everything bad that happened with OG Katarina can be traced back to Sirius (well...traced to the mage whispering in his ear but still).

I already have great sympathy for both OG Katarina and OG Maria.

if both rumours are true that scaled even higher...

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Sun 02 Oct 2022 02:46PM CEST

Yea i used to hate OG Maria,ans she certainly is a coward but...

After hearing about it i most say it turned the whole thing in an even greater tragedy...

Can you imagen your first love being killed for being mean to you...?

Also Katarina only tries to kill OG Maria in the Bad ending

Meaning she is already sentenced to Exile = death for a spoiled Duke Daughter

Meaning even Dark Magic can only bring Katarina to kill Maria if Maria has already become the catalyst for her own demise not before....

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Sun 02 Oct 2022 03:50PM CEST

I think dark magic was involved from the beginning.

OG Katarina being mad at OG Maria in Geordo's route makes sense ( and it's completly fair), but it makes little sense in the Keith's route.

OG Katarina disliked OG Keith and OG Maria wasn't the first woman he courted, so it still is out of character for her.

And the Exile ending has Keith/Geordo print all over it, because they both disliked OG Katarina and i have a hard time beliving OG Maria resented Katarina's treatment.

Also i would not go as far as to call OG Maria a coward, after her magic manifested she had no positive human interaction at all...

The people of her village avoided because of her magic, her supposed existence because of an affair or both.

Her father left and her mother couldn't even look at her in the eye.

So she had a combo of critically low self esteem and affection starved.

Also the only routes that OG Maria was in the wrong in my opinion are Geordo and Alan (since both are betrothed to another)

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Sun 02 Oct 2022 06:28PM CEST

That is really worth a tought,

Bout if the s the One she "actually loves" is Katarina is truth?

Id asks alot of questions

Like maybe she got only on with Keith/Geordo because of their connection to Katarina?

Also Maria is suposed to "see" dark magic

Something is of here....

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Sun 02 Oct 2022 10:42PM CEST

Since the choice is player based we can only speculate.

About the 'see dark magic thing', Fortune lover is a video game and Raphael/Sirius is an hidden capture target.

I don't know how the route is unlocked, but if it's supposed to be hidden maybe OG Maria needed to unlock a certan skill level or achieve something that allowed her to see dark magic.

If it was that obvious it would be a pretty on the nose hidden route for a video game.

My theory is that OG Maria 'persuit' of the capture targets was more on her need to have an good human connection (aka out of loneliness and desperation).

So i assume the hidden route would apear when she achieved enough self confidence/resolve to do so.

I don't see the OG Maria that would hide behind a capture target as having that conviction.

The Isekai Maria on the other hand confronted Sirius alone by her own will power (Bakarina's kindess gave her the confidence boost) and that Maria is the one that we are sure can see dark magic.

Because of that i belive that OG Maria needed to make the other capture targets lives and selves better without losing to her loneliness, then she would be able to truly help Raphael. (but that is just my theory)

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Sun 02 Oct 2022 11:08PM CEST

Also, since we are sharing theories.

Three things that always made me scratch my head:

- All routes have a single rival (except Katarina that apears in two)

- All routes rivals share their element with the capture target (except Katarina[earth] in Geordo[fire] route)

- In 'Verge of destruction' another rival apears and is interested in Geordo and acts like what one would expect from a villainess (Noelia[fire])

I have a theory for that (again i treat Fortune Lover as a video game)

I think in the test/beta version of the game Katarina is the rival in Keith's route and Noelia is the rival in Geordo's route.

But since Katarina would be the sister rival it would overlap in base concept with Sophia and Nicol, and the somewhat similar stage presence of Villain Katarina and Villain Noelia would create another redundancy,

so i assume the developers scrapped Noelia as an character and transfered some of her dialogue to Katarina.

Noelia doesn't apear in the Base isekai because Bakarina apeared before the game started, but she apears in the Verge of destruction because the game already started and Bakarina's apearance glitched the game back to the Beta because it needed someone in the Villain role.

Just a theory

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Sun 02 Oct 2022 11:31PM CEST

Might be

But That stitl dosen't explain the "Katarina = first love"part

Also i highly doubt That anyone but Katarina can give Maria the necessary confidence

Than again its sometimes suggested That someone Isekaid from Sociar to Katarina's RL

And their maid FL....

BUT Please Explain What do you Think about the Katarina part?

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Mon 03 Oct 2022 02:06AM CEST

That is a difficult question, but i will do my best.

Warning it will be a long comment...

Lets start with a simple but complicated question: what makes people fall in love?

- Do they treat you different form everyone else?

- Do you admire something about them?

- Do you just enjoy their company more then usual?

- Do you share a connection with them?

- Do they complete you in a significant whay?

With those questions in mind:

- OG katarina kinda fits on the first, others where moved by envy, self importance or self steem issues , Katarina might have seen OG Maria as a threat to her future, so she was the first to take her seriously and more than just a cute face with undeserved magic.

- That is easy to answer, OG Katarina AND Bakarina are so unapologetic themselves that someone like Maria that works hard to be accepted can admire they carring their hearts on their sleeve.

- That is a hard NO, i fear.

- They have the contrast connetion, Katarina is a proud high rank noble, but has weak magic and worse academics, Maria is a shy humble commoner, but has a rare and powerful magic and excells academically, in short they don't fit exacly in their expected envioment.

- Again OG Katarina and Bakarina have the confidance that Maria lacks, they are proud of themselves despite many believing that outside of their title there is very little to be proud of, Maria has a lot of skills and despite having them she still does't fell that is enough.

Or Maria would fall in love for no reason a all, love is weird.

That wall of text tries to explain why OG Maria would fall for OG Katarina.

But now as to why OG Katarina was the first:

All capture targets didn't take OG Maria seriously, they were dismissive ( Geordo[the see everything grey 'perfect' prince], Nicol[way to focused on his sister], Alan[self steem issues]) or saw her as another petty face (Keith[the flirty playboy]), OG katarina took her seriously, BAD seriously but still.

Because they took longer to open up to OG Maria, any points that require them showing their stories delayed the love route, BUT OG Katarina basically roars what she is about with little regard for anything.

On the begining the "enjoy company" part is on the negative for everyone (including OG katarina) so no point for anyone

Again BOTH OG Katarina and Bakarina are open books, aka easier to understand and relate than the others.

Put all that with OG Maria's unhealty lack of human affection...it's possible.

TL,DR: i belive that is possible that OG Katarina would be OG Maria first crush, not a very healty one but still.

Does that answer the question in a decent way?

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Mon 03 Oct 2022 10:14AM CEST

Yes it dose answer it,

But,if we assume just for moment That it is a fact rather than theory

How exactly would That make you feel emotionally?

And how do you thing OG Maria was feeling about it after everything was sad and done ?

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Mon 03 Oct 2022 09:09PM CEST

Hmm...

There are two Capture targets (Geordo and Keith) and two Endings (Exile and Death)

I will answer both questions depending on the combinations.

-Exile(General)

Disapointed in OG Maria, she doesn't look like the kind of person that would want OG Katarina exiled(or even resent her for that matter), but probably let it go because either she was convinced by her current lover or didn't want to risk put her current situation at risk, but i really belive she will feel guilty(specially in Geordo's route) and really worried for Katarina.

Very Worried/sad for OG Katarina, she got her life ruined and now has to survive in a place she doen't know, since she is a spoiled noble that cant end well. As a bonus, if there was dark magic, it wasn't even her fault at all.

-Exile(Keith)

Angry at OG Keith, while he had fair reasons to hate OG Katarina, saying he went overboard is an undestatment, since he actually had worse before the Claes took him in. And OG Katarina probaly treated him bad because she saw him as proof of her father's infidelity and causing indirect pain to her mother( both undestandable since she was 8 and i belive her mother encoraged her to it).

IF dark magic gave him a push then i feel kinda bad for him too.

-Exile(Geordo)

JUMP OFF A CLIFF, OG Geordo is implied to have little to no care to anyone until OG Maria apeared, aka he used OG Katarina as a tool and i belive that her exile in this case was more to break the engagement without a hit on his reputation and not because of her treatment of OG Maria(because again i dont think Maria would want this).

Even if there was dark magic, he was using and manipulating OG Katarina before any interaction with Sirius, so i repeat...JUMP OFF A CLIFF.

-Death(general)

Feel really bad for OG Maria, she was alone for most of her life, found a first love in OG Katarina that despised her (fairly in Geordo's route), saw said first love DIE RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER by the hands of her present love after the former tried to KILL HER, so she will blame HERSELF for Katarina's death, and now her present lover goes in a self imposed exile leaving her totally ALONE AGAIN.

(put that girl on suicide watch, therapy of both geez)

As a bonus (since the murderer left) she will have to endure the repercutions of the nobility alone.

Do i even need to explain OG Katarina...poor girl watched her life being ruined little by little, tried to kill the reason her life was ruined(in her eyes) and said murder atempt wasn't really her choice (dark magic) and then DIED FOR IT. Hope she finds peace...

Death(Keith)

Conflicted between furious and sad for OG Keith, if my memory serves right OG Katarina was killed because he lost control (maybe had dark magic involved) when trying to protect OG Maria.

Dude was tortured in his original home, got a new one where the mother and the older sister didn't treat him well and now he killed his sister and he didn't even mean it. Now he leaves the only one that actually treated him well out of guilt (kinda a dick move on Keith's part but still)

Death(Geordo)

do i even need to go in detail...

Be honest Geordo, you wanted Katarina gone, just not like that because it would reflect bad on you, are you leaving out of guilt or because you are fleeing the consequences.

As a bonus you are leaving Maria behind to deal with the repercution of YOUR actions.

Forget the cliff...JUMP ON A VOLCANO

I guess my opinion in OG Geordo is showing...

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Mon 03 Oct 2022 09:25PM CEST

That is a very good analysis

And that was what I love,it sounds exactly how I think they would feel,

And yea poor OG Katarina

She really is a good girl at the core

Couldn't blame OG Maria for falling for the Girl

If OG Maria ever becomes so powerful in light Magic that she could see all 3 timeliness from her own Birth to 100 after in one moment, how would she feel about it than ?

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Mon 03 Oct 2022 09:38PM CEST

What do you mean?

OG Maria when?

Before the academy, before the endings or after the endings?

What do you mean?

OG Maria when?

Before the academy, before the endings or after the endings?

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Mon 03 Oct 2022 09:44PM CEST

Both,

I really liked to here you thoughts about how she'd feel looking both forward and backward

As i like to talk about such things,

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Mon 03 Oct 2022 10:28PM CEST

What the hell...i will do them all ( i think there are 4 timelines)

Before the academy

- Maria would be horrified to see what would happen because of her. But also would know both Keith and Katarina need her help.

She maybe would try to at least clear the air about Keith being Katarina's half brother, then Katarina could apologise, and Maria would try to protect Katarina from Geordo (poor girl needs it) i don't know if katarina would listen to her. I don't see this Maria going for Geordo, she maybe would try her luck with Keith, Katarina or both.

One detail Maria lacks confidence to do it, but she both cares about them and feels like she owes it to them to do her best, and Maria is a hard worker.

Before the endings(Keith's route)

- This time she would try her hardest to convince Keith to leave Katarina alone, or at least not insist on the exile. And would still try to save Katarina from Geordo. I don't see her relationship with Keith being afected in a meanfull way, but i am not sure if she will try to become friends with Katarina, both because she knows Katarina deslikes her now and because she feels like she does't deserve to become katarina's friend.

Before the ending(Geordo's route)

- Again would try to save Katarina, but this time i dont think she herself would feel save around someone like Geordo, even if he does care about her, not sure if the relationship would end but she would be weary of him at least, maybe even try to hold him back on his more malicous tactics to protect others from him.

After the ending(Keith's route - Exile)

- She would try to convince Keith to help her find Katarina or go herself, to at least see if she is ok and if not would assist her even if Katarina refused. Maria would be sad if Keith didn't try to help his sister, but she would understand (and would help Katarina alone)

After the ending (Geordo's route - Exile)

- Again would try to find Katarina, Geordo hardly would help and more so to apease Maria. This has a high chance to put a strain in their relationship. Since this Maria now knows that Geordo didn't gave Katarina the respect she deserved, and now sees a side of the prince she doesn't like.

After the ending (Keith's route - Death)

- Maria would be in a bad place,with extreme guilt and alone, but she would try to find Keith because she knows he is also in a bad place and she feels like she owes to at least stop him from doing something stupid, someone died because of her, she won't let another.

After the ending (Geordo's route - Death)

- By far the worst case for Maria's mental health, Katarina died because of her, and all because she fell for a man that didn't really deserve it.

This Maria has little to fight for now for and needs urgent therapy.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Tue 04 Oct 2022 10:33PM CEST

Good analysis 👍

But I would have liked it more if you had gone more in to how Maria would have feeld about her possible relationship with Katarina in the other timeliness

And yes BURN IN HELL OG Geordo YOU DESPICABLE DISAPPOINTMENT OF A HUMAN BEING AND WASTED MATRIAL OF THE FLAME OF LIFE!!!!!!!

And yes I clearly can se that Maria would try to rescue Katarina and Winn her over no matter the cost...

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 12:18AM CEST

Oh...my bad, i assumed you meant the game timelines.

Assuming the other timeline was the isekai one.

General

Maria would be confused with some key differences between Bakarina and OG Katarina.

Before the academy and before the Exile endings.

She would try harder to save/befriend OG Katarina because she now knows a more friendly and kind person is in there (since i belive OG Katarina and Bakarina ARE the same person just raised differently and in different envioments)

Still would help OG Keith and maybe score both.

OG Geordo will get some help from her in this case, because now she knows a the is a version of Geordo that can be better person.(Still don't think she would end up with him though)

The biggest impacts (emotionaly wise) would be in the death's endings.

OG Maria would feel even worse than in my other analysis.

In Keith's route - i am not sure if she would try to help OG Keith in his exile here because now she knows she took all the wrong choices and maybe she is now too terrified to make things even worse.

In Geordo's route - This somehow is worse than the previous one. Because now she knows:

1 - OG Katarina was an extremely kind person inside and had things been different would be an amazing friend or maybe more (and died because of her bad choices).

2 - OG Geordo HAD a possibility of becoming a better person and he got worse (again her choices didn't help there)

3 - The rest of the Isekai harem could have become good friends and companions to her (not in this continuity)

In short, knowing what could have been (and won't because of her) would break what is left of OG Maria spirit.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 03:23AM CEST

Oh ! I should have been more clear on that one !

With the 3 time lines i meant Fortun Lover,Verge of doom, sorry

And i agree her soul and generally Personality are the same,

She just hasn't 17 extra years of maturity

And how could the death ending even happen if she has this knowledge before the start

Or even before Katarina's trial Hamefur Maria loves Bakarina

It isn't very clear in verge of doom but in both setting's Maria is definitely happier with Katarina around

Than in all good endings of FL,

So i refuse to believe she would be willing to damned the Woman who is the only one she ever truly loved in all possible timeliness

As the happy ending's in FL don't make her seem all that happy....

But what do you think....?

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 04:34AM CEST

I don't discont the death ending because there is a dark mage lurking in the corner.(maria isn't aware of them)

And yes, she is happier with Katarina around indeed.

I think the exile is more of fault of OG Keith ( verge of doom Keith shows his deslike of her, and if dark magic was involved then it would take much)

The Exile in OG Geordo's route had the prince's print all over it, even without dark magic, heck in verge of doom the first think that comes to his mind when Katarina 'changed' is "I can still use her"(...Fk you Geordo...)

The Verge of doom characters the same as the Game counterpart until Bakarina changed them.

As for the endings i don't think "happy" is the right word for OG Maria.

She went from being bullied and alone to finally have a person that cares for her (up from zero) and said person is most likely protecting her from the bullies.

Her life overall improved, BUT only 1 person cares for her so she still lonely and the Katarina issue makes her sad.

So less 'happy' and more 'content' in my opinion.

Its like if someone survived with only water and bread their whole life and now has milk and buttered bread, its and improvement and their are 'content' (but still less than ideal)

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 08:25AM CEST

I get what you mean

But I'm still pretty sure she woul go after Katarina

After learning so much,

And I said she saw everything about all 3 time lines at once

Meaning she has to be aware of Sirius

Because he's clearly shown atleast in Hamefura

Also I'm pretty sure she'd avoid Geordo after knowing what kind a guy he is

Am I wrong?

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 08:42AM CEST

Oh, i though she only saw her perspective of the events.

Not sure about the avoid Geordo part, there is a good chance of that or she could try help him become better(she will not date him though)

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 11:02AM CEST

No I mean she's seeing all the events from outside

She does not get to see their thougt but everything else

And yea,who would want to date that Bastard?

I make a revelation now

I'm a Big Marikata fun so I'm a bit biased

Sorry I should have mentioned that before....

But I really want to hear which kind of Action you think Maria would take,....

I mean I'm pretty sure knowing everything she would be dead set on the Katarina Route, but what do you think....?

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 05:50PM CEST

I can't judge, Maria is my favorite pair with Katarina too.

I also believe she would go for Katarina given the chance.

Now i must also confess my bias.

Maria and Keith is my second favorite pair for Maria (katarina is the first).

So she scoring both is a victory triangle for me.(i also enjoy Keith and Kata)

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 07:18PM CEST

Would you consider a triple Marriage?

Maria,Katarina,Keith ?

I confess i actually dislike Keith a lot

Given what i already told i think you can gues why ?

Given Keith is desperate for love to such a point

And he think's of Maria as the only one who can save him and that he has so many rivals

If she in the middle of it all declared privately that she be willing to choose over all other's but under one condition

He's most likely to accept any condition even if that condition is to make his scorned adoptive Sister a part of the deal.....

That also had the effect that Katarina would still be under the Protection of house Claes

Which would make Geordo unable to harm her in the same way he did with the trial

Something else are now constantly having a discussion in Stranger Wager's comment section

So the least we could do is ask her if she want to take part in or if she even is okay with it,

Do you agree?

R (Guest) on Chapter 1Thu 06 Oct 2022 11:36PM CEST

I would

I didn't notice to be frank, you mentioned Keith directly in one comment prior to this...

Yes he is affection starved as well, and according to Bakarina:

"When he grew up he became quite the playboy in order to bury his loneliness and when he entered the academy, he met the heroine. The heroine healed his lonely heart and became the first person Keith ever truly loved..."

Hamefura Chapter 2

It's not like Keith believed that Maria would save him, it's more like she saved him and them he fell for her.

But i agree that he would accept Katarina in that cenário for three reasons:

1 - Maria saved him so it would be hypocrite of him to not let her save Katarina.

2 - If the misundestanding is cleared and Katarina apologised, he is capable of giving her a chance (verge of destruction shows that).

3 - That would make Maria happy, and maybe that is enough.

I agree with the last part too (this is the longest dicussion i participated in that didn't involve the autor lmao)

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 1Fri 07 Oct 2022 12:36PM CEST

I just informed the Author

I'm happy we can go with that

Assuming Maria successful used her knowledge to get Geordos engagement with Katarina broken and get engaged to both Claes siblings how do you see it go from there?

[almdragonrend]

I 100% agree with that

One of my biggest disappointments with My Next Life As a Villainess is Katarina not doing more sword stuff.

Like, no, I don't want to see her stab anyone. I want her to defeat her enemies with kindness, love, and the raw power of an army of people who adore her.

I just want the fact that she insisted on learning how to use a sword to come up more. A bit of sparring, a bit of "wow, she's pretty good", a bit of "she picked up a sword! Is she going to duel that bad guy? Wait, no, she's complimenting him. Annnd he's in love."

[lizhly-writes]

if you catch a fisherman a day...

... you'll end up building a harem. local mermaid has a particularly benevolent hobby of saving humans during storms. predictably, they all fall in love with their strong and beautiful savior. not that, you know, she notices.

look, if i had said 'found family', i would probably have a better clue of who to give this plot to. why didn't i? because a harem is funnier.

as much as it pains me to contemplate writing in a harem fandom, this is a harem plot. thus it goes to... Katerina Claes of My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom, whose full title i had to actually look up for this sentence because i just call it bakarina, like most people.

because look. she would. she totally would. canonically, people fall in love with her for just standing there and looking pretty. this would work. i don't need to sell this to you. you understand.

[convenientalias]

fic stats meme

I was tagged by @seamayweed apparently???? Thanks seamayweed!

rules: give us the links to your fic with the most hits, second most kudos, third most comments, fourth most bookmarks, fifth most words, and fic with the least words.

Most hits: Villainesses Must Stick Together, a My Next Life As a Villainess fic shipping Katerina Claes/Original Katerina Claes. I'm shocked?? I can't believe its 1) a oneshot, so no multichapter advantage, and 2) a Yuletide fic I wrote for a fandom that is still Yuletide eligible. Also, femslash self-cest. Theory: It may be winning bc I posted it very shortly before this webnovel got an anime adaptation and therefore is the fifth fic ever posted for the fandom. Anyway, I'm still fond of this fic so it's kind of nice if weird to find this out.

Second most kudos: Steak, Cabernet, and the Blindingly Obvious, a Nick/Gatsby fic. Much more predictable to me, my Gatsby fluff/crack all benefits from the assigned reading crowd lols.

Third most comments: Like having fangs is something to regret, my MCTNA OT3 werewolf fic. My top 4 in this category are all multichapter, no surprise there. I remember I was pleasantly surprised by the number of comments I got on MCTNA fics--y'all are so nice and encouraging. This fic was really fun to write, partly bc of that and partly bc werewolves and BangSeonHwi, how could it not be fun.

Fourth most bookmarks: See second most kudos.

Fifth most words: Temptations of trouble on my tongue, a NIF Prince Yu/Mei Changsu fic with vampire!MCS. I'm a bit surprised I've written four fics longer than it (two for MCTNA in 2021, what a year). Anyway this one wasn't really meant to be this long, but I say that for all my longfics. I wrote it partly for Halloween and partly bc I truly believe Prince Yu would be a vampirefucker.

Least words: A tie between two drabbles, without the shell and steve is not a responsible enough adult for this (or is he?). The first is for Mulan, mostly introspective. The second is for Stranger Things for an exchange and is crack. I think the second is marginally better (I'd gained a little more experience writing very short works by then). But I wish I could cheat and just show off all the 200 word fics I've written which I like a lot more. (Jk I will cheat, I always cheat!! Nine Orchid, After Arnes Hours, A Tianquan Murder, and riverside scene are all double drabbles. And if you read one of my drabbles and then you read one of them, you can really see the difference a hundred words can make. I really admire ppl who master the drabble proper. So fuckign hard.)

[izzieislandheart]

Redraw from screencap - fans of the series know this scene. :3 

Still testing out some things in Clip Studio. This one gave me such a headache I decided it's worth it to start paying for Photoshop again. The light effects are done with Jazza's new brushes; I tested them out on this piece because I had been looking for these exact brushes and couldn't find what I wanted before, and they're PERFECT. His new brush set is awesome and SUPER worth the price for the bundle.

[would-they-listen-to-that]

RESULTS ARE IN!

We THINK? she would listen to that!

⋆.˚✮🎧✮˚.⋆ thanks for dialing in!

Katerina Claes (My next life as a villainess) would listen to Bling-Bang-Bang-Born (Creepy Nuts)?

⋆.˚✮🎧✮˚.⋆ reblog for bigger sample size!

[yourfaveisafearavatar]

Katerina Claes from My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom! is an Avatar of the End.

[kirizami]

Just some lovely ladies watching their favorite girl enjoy some baked goodies~!

[agentkuga]

It’s Bakarina alright.

[villain-in-love]

Also this snippet of Hold Them Down cover (yes, Morgan Clae again) fits really well with the vibe of the epilogue and who Katerina and Portia became as people. Though I would say that it would probably be Katerina singing, Portia is not quite there yet in terms of cruelty.

As if the last month wasn't awful enough, while I was absent from here, I finally gathered up the courage to skim through Portia’s route to make some bad decisions and get the Reversed Ending. Because my curiosity and desire to gather all the information outweighed my deep discomfort with the concept of the finale where magic fully disappears from the world.

And what can I say…

I am indeed deeply uncomfortable, and almost disturbed.

But at the same time I’m annoyed by the fact that, once again, the reversed ending proved to be far more creative and realistic than the upright ending.

Ironically enough, it was also far more fitting for my s/i – she gets to use her abilities as an illusionist, she murders Tasya, then in the epilogue her and Portia are dealing with politics and diplomacy, except they play dirty and come up with a clever plan to get rid of and weaken several sides of their competitors in one move, murdering a foreign scientist and framing another country’s ambassador for it. I actually love how we get to work as a team at that. It’s fun to be a villainous power couple.

I’m also delighted to see that not only Portia can be a good manipulator, she’s also a great schemer and is capable of killing and using people. I love seeing my girl committing crimes on international level.

And most importantly, the moment Tasya’s theme starts playing at the end, and I realized that it’s Portia’s theme now… Literally perfect.

Still, I’ll be taking all the new information that is important and erasing the rest from my memory. As much as I’m not a fan of the “friendship is magic” type of approach, I’m nevertheless choosing to live with the Upright Ending as my true timeline.

[amardahlia]

it made ALL of our hearts skip a beat, Geordo.

[almdragonrend]

I found a conversation I had in the comments section of a fanfiction and I think I have to share this to give a better look of the real Original Katarina

It again baffled me how different Noelia is from OG Katarina,

Katarina always good oppen in any fight yet there a still some brainless morons who claim they were the same!

How fucking darre they ?

Noelia is such a fucking coward,

Maybe in her past life she was the Authors wife

They surely fit,as selfish hypocritical and hybris driven they both are! Cursed be there souls for eternity!

xaszatm on Chapter 9Tue 14 Mar 2023 06:30AM CET

Let's be fair, the character already was one of the eviler characters in the series thanks to attempting to kill Katarina Claes for the "crime" of not picking on the commoners. It's not surprise with just a little push, her plans could get more evil.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 9Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:14AM CET

Yeah,

I think the main reason why Sirius used Katarina and not Noelia is that if he used Noelia she would just have killed Maria outright, but Katarina has a good heart so she would be more Tame under his influence.

froghero on Chapter 9Tue 14 Mar 2023 03:12PM CET

You have a point. I think another reason Sirius chose to use katarina was because Noel was too smart and cunning in his schemes.

The moment he started motivating Noel with black magic, Noel wouldn't just start bullying Maria. but will find a way to immediately eliminate Maria from the game. and leaves no trace of evidence.

This goes very much against Sirius' wishes.

First, Sirius never really wanted to get rid of maria in OG FL, just wanted her out of his scheme (just as he didn't really want to get rid of Bakarina in hamefura. he just wanted Bakarina out of his scheme.)

Second, He wanted to cause chaos among the nobles, the royal family, and among the commoner, so that Noel's immediate eliminate Maria without any evidence would not cause such a thing.

A better option is the katarina, the prince's fiancée. who has a straightforward personality without plan. Will begin to small bully Maria for the whole university to see without hiding.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 9Tue 14 Mar 2023 04:22PM CET

Plus the fact that she is a good person deep down still,

She has helped Sianna,Anne and so many others even in the OG timeline,

Even if Noelia was some how caught it wouldn't lead to nearly as much strife as with Noelia,as Noelia is completely selfish and doesn't care about others and most likely has no friends while Katarina is the only character who was shown to always have friends in all timeliness.

froghero on Chapter 9Tue 14 Mar 2023 07:22PM CET

Oh, I think I understand you wanted to convey.

Noelia because of her very very bad personality. So she never had friends, true friends, companions, or people who cared about her. Therefore, even if she misses, she got caught. No one will come out to help her fight powerful groups around Maria. (Maybe with the exception of her family. Although I suspect she might have been abandoned because her family didn't want to get in trouble with the royal family.)

But on the other hand if it's katarina because she's inherently good, there will be a group of people she used to help, people who like her, her friends, people. who cares about her, her family, House of Adeth, Come out against the powerful group around Maria immediately. (Especially in the case of Prince Geordo. Katarina clearly had a reason for small bullying Maria. And Maria had the cause of being disgusted by the nobles. Because she stole Prince Geordo from her fiancée)

Of course there will be a lot of chaos following the OG FL storyline.

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 9Tue 14 Mar 2023 07:59PM CET

Yes, the main problem is that it wasn't Katarina's fault

Katarina is a good person,the people who truly got to know her loved and adore her, there will be a civil war and even if Maria's faction somehow wins they will be to weak for Sociar to survive as a Nation

the only possible solution for this situation in which The Kingdom doesn't disappear or fall to a hostile take over is Sirius coming out as a dark wizard and take every single bit of the blame,for everything that has ever happened during both games,

and Katarina reinstate as the daughter of house Claes and being made heir to the throne as compensation for everything she had to go through aswell as the Stuart's leaving the Kingdom for ever,which is pretty unlikely.

So yeah that Kingdom is done for

I actually have plans for a fanfiction about a possible fortune lover 3 but I can't actually do it on my own,

But at least I have "the Heroine's brother " trilogy

But there one-shots and unlike what I would plan for that

But I took a bit inspiration from the tales of serious,

I know some people have problems with it

But I love tales of Zestiria,yeah it could be better and I would have loved to work on it,especially in the story part.

But I got a bit to far away,

But that is just the main point,among all the Noble's in Sociar during the original timeline Katarina was the one who more than any other embodies the spirit of Nobless obliged,and that is why she is someone who is so important to soo many people,because a friend like her is rare almost non existence in Noble society, so of course no one wants to lose her.

froghero on Chapter 9Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:41PM CET

Sounds like it would be the end of the royal family and nobility in Sociar. Regardless of the outcome in any way. And perhaps the end of the country of Sociar.

heh. In the original timeline, the only person who laughed at the end was probably the Ghost Dark magic.

If you have a great idea for a fanfiction You should try writing it. :D

Last Edited Tue 14 Mar 2023 08:45PM CET

AlmDragonrend on Chapter 9Tue 14 Mar 2023 10:04PM CET

Yes,the only way for the Nation to survive is like I said Raphael admitting to everything while also pointing out he choose Katarina because she was the only one on the entire Academy who hadn't killed Maria outright from the start,than the Royal family handing over the Kingdom to Katarina and leaving,that's the only outcome in which Sociar can survive.

The fanfiction I have in mind couldn't work,

Because I really couldn't make that one on my own for multiple reasons,but I could tell you the basic promise if you won't ?

[atsukochan]

[hopestarstudios]

So I watch My next life as a villainess and I loved it. It was a goofy harem that had great characters, but for a while I've been thinking...who did I want the most to be with Katarina Claes. So I have made a list of all the people I want to see with Katerina from worst to best. Now just so you know they’ll be spoilers for the anime and I haven’t read the manga so I don’t know if anything happens to characters to make me change my opinions and also I hear that Katarina gets another love interest with some dude with blue hair, but I don’t know him yet so he’s not on the list. So let’s get on with the list.

At #8, we have Keith Claes. Know I do like Keith as a character. I think he a real cinnamon bun, but I don’t ship him with Katerina because of one important reason. They’re related. They’re related! THEY’RE F**KING RELATED! I know there adopted siblings, BUT IT’S STILL GROSS!!! I hope when Katarina realizes that Keith has feelings for her (Which will take a while because she’s Katerina) she sits him down and tells him that it will never happen because he’s her little brother and that it would be really disgusting if they dated. Then I would hope he moves on from her and they maintain a healthy SIBLING relationship. I also would hope he would find someone who would be really kind to him and treat him right because I do like his character for the most part. I just wish he’d stop liking Katerina for this one reason alone, SHE’S HIS SISTER!!

At #7, we have Geordo Stuart. Look I admit the scene where he said Katerina showed him joy in his dull life was cute, but everything else about his relationship with Katerina is horrible. He’s a creep, he wants to have s*x with her while she’s drunk, love bit her neck at a party and probably a lot more I forgot. People say he’s better in the manga, but even in the manga he still kissed her when she was in a coma. Yeah, he kissed her without her consent! That’s all I have to say on him and I hope that he & Katerina never get together!

At #6, we have Nicol Ascart. I like him as a choice a lot more than the other ones I said before, but there are still one action that I don’t agree with. He was gonna kiss Katerina behind his friend’s back. I know there really isn’t anything between Geordo and Katerina right now, but it’s still screwed up that he would kiss his friend’s fiancé. Besides that one action though he honestly a very sweet guy who wants his sister to be happy and is thankful too Katerina for doing that. He might have been higher on the list if it weren’t for one thing though. He’s boring. Like he almost always has a straight face and it got boring a lot of the time. Over all he does have a good heart so if he and Katerina got together I would be disappointed, but not disgusted like I would feel for the other ones.

At #5, we have Alan Stuart. He is a good choice for Katerina. I like how he laughs about all the ridiculous stuff she does and that she taught him how he has good traits about him and so does his brother, and helped the two have a better brotherly relationship. I do think a problem would arise in their relationship though just because he and Katerina are both dumb@$$, but I think Alan would learn how to stop being like that over time being with her. I think they could be together without at least me being disappointed.

At #4, we have Si..sorry Raphael Walt. He’s my fav out of the boys. He’s a cinnamon bun without being related to Katerina at all and he has a sad backstory that just makes you want to hug him. Also Katerina was the one who got him to stop being all evil/ helped him and she said his real name to him in the first in a while which he really appreciated. If any of the guys had to be together with Katerina, I would want it to be Raphael the most.

At #3, we have Mary Hunt. We’re finally getting to the girls. Mary loves Katerina with all her heart and would do anything for her. She even once told Katerina that the two of them could just break off their engagements and move far away, together. Katerina was also the one who told her that she was a great gardener which was the first compliment Mary got from anyone and she wants to braid/switch dresses with Katerina which I find adorable. Not to mention that Mary was the first one to hug Katerina when she awoke form her coma. Also Mary makes tea for Katerina so that’s a bonus. I hope Mary will be happy with someone and for her sake I hope it’s Katerina.

At #2, we have Maria Campbell. Omg she’s adorable. And Katerina would agree with me. She says it almost every time Maria smiles. Also Maria is a cinnamon bun as well which makes sense she loves to make sweets for the group (Especially Katerina though) and she also has a sad backstory that makes you want to hug her. I also like how Katerina always helps her when the upper class bullies her and she even ate her snacks when they fell on the ground. Also I heard in the manga they were even closer so that’s interesting. I would be very happy if Katerina and Maria got together and they would just live happily on a farm, where Katerina plants vegetables for them and Maria cooks her sweets for dinner.

At #1, we have Sophia Ascart. Like I said about Maria, OMG SHE’S ADORABLE. And again like I said for Maria AND KATERINA WOULD AGREE WITH ME. She told Sophia she thought she was beautiful when everyone else called her a freak. Katerina stood up for her when people bullied her and was Sophia’s first friend besides her brother. She also is a huge weeb along with Katerina and they both read romance novels, but the thing that makes her best for Katerina is that she is the reincarnation of Katerina’s best friend from her previous life. When Katerina died in that life, Sophia or as she was called in her previous life Acchan begged to the heavens when she died to be reincarnated as Katerina’s friend again. You heard me, she begged the universe when she died to be reincarnated as Katerina’s friend again. That’s true love right there. Even if her and Katerina don’t know it. She also was the first to arrive (besides Geordo) to save Katerina from her coma.  These two are OTP and I really hope they become end game.

[patton-ly-absurd]

Anime onlys:*freaking out cause of the recent episodes*

Me, a manga reader: *evil laugh remembering the chapters* enjoy your suffering....