#Jannes and Jambres

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Episode 11: Stephen Hopkins

In Episode 11 of Inside My Favorite Manuscript, Lindsey and Dot chat with Stephen Hopkins about Junius 11, one of the four surviving Old English poetic codices. We talked about a lot of things, including Genesis A & B, the strangeness of an Old English Exodus, horror, and nipples (yes, nipples!), and we laughed more than we have in a while.

Listen here, or wherever you find your podcasts.

Below the cut are more page images and further reading.

Bodleian Junius 11 online

"The Story of Caedmon's Hymn" on the British Library website

The Old English Illustrated Hexateuch (British Library Cotton Claudius B iv)

Brandon Hawk on Inside My Favorite Manuscript talking about the Vercelli Book (one of the other Old English poetic codices that survives)

Junius 11 outside front cover:

Junius 11 inside front cover (note the break down the center of the wooden board):

Junius 11, page ii: the very first image on the very first page.

Junius 11, p. 197 with space left for an illustration that was never added

Dream of the Rood (page on Wikipedia)

Junius 11, page 2: Creation of the angels

Junius 11, page 3: The fall of the angels

Winchester Psalter (on the British Library website)

Pauline Baynes (tribute website)

Hunterian Psalter (on the University of Glasgow website)

Genesis B (page on Wikipedia)

Junius 11, page 13: the first page of Genesis B, the creation of Adam and Eve

Junius 11, page 6: The start of creation

Junius 11, page 7: More creation

Junius 11, page 24: Temptation of Eve

Junius 11, page 31: Eve offers the fruit to Adam and he eats it.

Junius 11, page 31, close up of lion in bottom margin

Ohlgren, Thomas H. "Five New Drawings in the MS Junius 11: Their Iconography and Thematic Significance." Speculum 47.2 (1972): 227-233. (PDF)

Junius 11, page 36: Eve sees Hell

Zooming in for a closer look on the nipples

Junius 11, page 34: More nipples

Junius 11, page 39: Even more nipples

Junius 11, page 41: The Serpent

Junius 11, page 44: God scolding Adam and Eve

Junius 11, page 45: Adam and Eve leave the garden

Junius 11, page 46

Junius 11, p. 231: The opening of Christ and Satan, with a horizontal crease through the middle of the page

Junius 11, page 161: Repaired with sewing

Junius 11, page 61: Enoch melting into heaven "like a butter sculpture"

Junius 11, page 66: Noah's Ark

Junius 11, page 65: Building the ark

Junius 11, page 2: Zoomed in on Aelfwine

Junius 11, page 230: Metallurgical sketches

Junius 11, page 225: Unfinished decorative square

Cotton MS Tiberius B V, folio 87v: Jannes and Jambres (Wikipedia page)

Drag Me to Hell movie (page on Wikipedia)

[mybeautifulchristianjourney]

People will turn away from God in the last days

1 Let me tell you this. During the last days of this world, there will be times of great trouble. 2 People will love only themselves, and they will want lots of money for themselves. They will be proud and they will say how great they are. They will insult other people. They will not obey their parents. They will not thank anyone who helps them. They will not respect anything that is good. 3 They will not be kind to other people, but they will like to quarrel. They will tell lies to hurt other people. They will be unable to control themselves properly. They will be cruel and they will hate anything that is good. 4 People will turn against their friends. They will do foolish things. They will boast that they are very important. They will not love God, but instead they will only want to enjoy themselves. 5 Those people will seem to be serving God. But really they refuse to accept God's power to help them. You must stay away from people like that.

6 Among those people, there are some men who find a way into people's homes. They get power over silly women who feel very guilty about their sins. Those women want to do wrong things and they cannot stop themselves. 7 They are always trying to learn new things, but they can never really understand God's true message. 8 These are people who speak against God's true message, in the same way that Jannes and Jambres spoke against Moses. Their minds have become confused. The way that they serve God is false. 9 But they will not continue to do many more bad things. Everyone will see clearly that they are fools. That is what happened to Jannes and Jambres.

Timothy must copy Paul's example

10 But you, Timothy, have heard my message and you know it well. You also know the way in which I have lived. You know my purpose in life. You know how I trust God. You know how patient I have been. You know my love for God and for other people. You know that I have been strong during troubles. 11 You also know what happened to me in the cities called Antioch, Iconium and Lystra. People caused me to have a lot of trouble and pain in those places. But I was patient and brave in those bad troubles! And the Lord kept me safe in all those dangerous times.

12 It is not only me. Every Christian who wants to live in a way that pleases God will have trouble from other people. 13 Bad people like that will become even worse. Some of them will teach a false message and people will believe their lies. Those false teachers even believe their own lies!

It is important for us to know the Bible

14 But you must continue to believe the things that you have learned. You know that those things are true. You know the teachers who taught you those things. 15 Even when you were a child, you already knew the message of the Bible. The Bible has taught you how you can be truly wise. You understand that God saves you because you believe in Christ Jesus. 16 Everything that is written in the Bible comes from God's Spirit. It helps us in many ways. The Bible teaches us what is true. It warns us when we are doing wrong things. It shows us what is right. It teaches us how to live good lives. 17 As a result, people who want to serve God can know how to live properly. They will be people who are ready to do all kinds of good things. — 2 Timothy 3 | EasyEnglish Bible (EASY) EasyEnglish Bible Copyright © MissionAssist 2019 - Charitable Incorporated Organisation 1162807. All rights reserved. Cross References: Exodus 7:11-12; Exodus 8:18; Deuteronomy 4:6; Deuteronomy 29:29; Psalm 34:19; Isaiah 44:20; Matthew 4:24; Matthew 7:15; Luke 6:35; Luke 16:14; John 15:20; Acts 7:52; Acts 13:14; Acts 14:22; Acts 19:36; Romans 1:29; Romans 1:31; Philippians 2:20; Philippians 2:22; 1 Timothy 2:4; 1 Timothy 2:25; 1 Timothy 4:1; 1 Timothy 4:7-8; 1 Timothy 5:6; 1 Timothy 6:5; 1 Timothy 6:11; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9; Titus 3:3

Complete and Equipped (2 Timothy 3)

[hiswordsarekisses]

“What happened to the art of stepping into the shoes of another and trying to experience life from their perspective? Not many remember to walk in another’s shoes, but only to judge from their own imperfect understanding. The world has gone mad and forgotten love, mercy, and forgiveness. We have forgotten how to view ourselves as no better than another. What happened to the teachings of the Lord that some of us knew as children? Oh the tears that Jesus must weep over this world. The Words of the book of Jude and Timothy testify against us. Listen. . . Jesus said they will know us by our fruit. Will He find any fruit at all?” (Author Unknown)

“But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.” 2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭9

“But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. (‭‭Jude‬ ‭1‬:‭5‬-‭13)

[godhasatenderheart]

Godlessness in the Last Days

1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. 9 But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.

2 Timothy 3:1-9

[saras-devotionals]

Quite Time 2/28

What am I feeling today?

I just wish I had gone to bed earlier. I’m very tired and know I have a long day ahead of me. I also didn’t finish all my work so I’m stressed about a couple of those deadlines🥲

Sermon: The Lord Declares War! (Part 3/3)

Exodus 5:22 NIV

“Moses returned to the Lord and said, “Why, Lord, why have you brought trouble on this people? Is this why you sent me?”

we can relate to Moses here (why would God send us to do His work when it doesn't turn out the way we planned?) We can get discouraged and in our own head about it but keep reminding yourself that God’s plan is far greater than we can ever imagine for ourselves.

2) God Declares War on Counterfeit Imitations of the Truth!

ask yourself: am I fighting God in in any way? In what este/areas of my life and I resisting Him? Is there still something I’m holding on to?

I can get moody and distant. I can let how I’m feeling take control of me instead of being in control of my emotions.

Exodus 7:1-7 NIV

“Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his country. But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites. And the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring the Israelites out of it.” Moses and Aaron did just as the Lord commanded them. Moses was eighty years old and Aaron eighty-three when they spoke to Pharaoh.”

This plagues were meant to humble the Egyptians (leading the question of whether we declare war on false doctrines - bc they had their many gods) not that many people want to be entertained and not saved.

Lastly, I do wonder why it says God hardened Pharaoh’s heart. I believe it’s been explained to me but I don’t remember and wonder why? Why do that? Since He had the power to harden, why didn’t He choose to soften? Or would that just not have worked in the grand scheme of things?

1 Timothy 1:3-8 NIV

“As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.”

The law is good if we know how to use it properly! No false teachings! There are some people that claim to teach of Jesus and Christianity but it is not biblically sound and therefore is a false teaching.

2 Timothy 3:7-9 NIV

“always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.”

With those In sin, we are meant to call them out (in love) and even here is an example of calling out people by name.

Romans 8:1-4 NIV

“Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”

Communion: what does the cross mean to [……]?

To him it meant liberation!

[highpriestofptah]

General Huy Headcanons

Some Prince of Egypt head canons for my favourite sillyguy magical man informed by historical and literary accounts of Ancient Egyptian culture, the Tanakh, and apocrypha.

Huy's name is for the girls—and the boys. It’s unisex!

Hui or Huy was an ancient Egyptian name, frequently a nickname for Amenhotep. Famous bearers include: Huy, priestess during the Eighteenth dynasty, mother-in-law of Thutmose III; Huy, High Priest of Ptah during the reign of Ramesses II; Huy, viceroy of Kush during the reign of Ramesses II. [source]

Huy was actually a high priest of Ptah.

Huy was a High Priest of Ptah during the reign of Ramesses II. Huy is known from two shabtis (now in the Louvre) dedicated at an Apis burial in the Serapeum of Saqqara. The Apis burials are dated to years 16 and 30.[1] Huy may have served as High priest of Ptah from approximately year 2 to year 20 of the reign of Ramesses II. Huy was succeeded by Pahemnetjer. In pop culture, One of the advisors to Pharaoh in The Prince of Egypt (1998) is named Huy. [source]

Huy is based on the actual Egyptian magician in the Book of Exodus/Shmot who is named Jambres.

Jannes and Jambres, two legendary Egyptian sorcerers whose names appear in various sources as the adversaries of Moses. Jewish tradition seems to identify them with the sorcerers mentioned in Exodus 7:11... The names also appear in pagan Greek and Roman literature. Both Pliny (Natural History, 30:11) and Apuleius (Apologia, 90) mention the name of Jannes only, the former including him in a list of Jewish sorcerers the first of whom is Moses, while the latter names him immediately after Moses in a list of famous magicians. Both Jannes and Jambres… are mentioned and discussed in detail by Numenius, the neo-Pythagorean philosopher (quoted in Eusebius, Praeparatio Evangelica, 9:8; cf. Origines, Contra Celsum, 4:51). They are described as Egyptian priests who excelled in wizardry at the period of the "expulsion" of the Jews from Egypt and as having been considered by the Egyptians capable of rescuing their country from the disasters brought upon it by Musaeus (Moses). [source]

Huy was full-time as opposed to part-time since he was the high priest.

With the exception of the high priest, most priests worked only part-time.  The priesthood was divided into "hours" and served only one month out of every four. The rest of the time, they lived their normal lives in society, often working as mid-level bureaucrats. [source]

He lived in the temple complex.

During their religious service, priests lived within the complex of the temples of their deity. [source]

His beard is an accessory! He shaves completely every 3 days, but he can still wear hair as a fashion choice. Slay!

Oddly, though, they also retained a fascination for facial hair, or at least the appearance of having some. The Egyptians took shorn hair and sheep's wool and fashioned them into wigs and fake beards — which, even more oddly, were sometimes worn by Egyptian queens as well as kings [source: Dunn]. The fake beards had various shapes, to indicate the dignity and social position of their wearer. Ordinary citizens wore small fake beards about 2 inches (5 centimeters) long, while kings wore their phony whiskers to extravagant lengths and had them trimmed to be square at the end. [source]

His shoes were woven and made of papyrus.

Footwear was the same for both sexes. It consisted of coiled sewn sandals of leatherwork, or for the priestly class, papyrus. Since Egyptians were usually barefoot, sandals were worn on special occasions or at times when their feet might get hurt. [source]

Huy has his own apocryphon that was said to have been written by one of Pharaoh’s officials. Surviving fragments of this apocryphon tells of the adventures of him and his brother. He survives all the plagues, runs away with the Hebrews during the red sea adventure, and converts to Judaism. He has a sad backstory because he has to bury his mother and brother.

Jannes names Jambres as his successor and entrusts him with a secret document. He warns him not to accompany the Egyptian army when it marches against the Hebrews… The Egyptian army is drowned in the Red Sea while pursuing the Hebrews, but Jambres stayed away. Jannes's condition worsens and the family returns to their estate. [source]

All info in block quotes belongs to each respective linked source. A proper references page is on the way.

[mybeautifulchristianjourney]

Evil in the Last Days

1 Know this also, that in the last days perilous times shall come; 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, braggarts, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, savage, despisers of those who are good, 4 Betrayers, reckless, egotistical, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; 5 Having an outward appearance of godliness, but denying the power of true godliness. But as for you, turn away from all these. 6 For from men such as these come those who are worming their way into houses, and are gaining control over empty-headed gullible women given over to various sins, being driven by all kinds of lust. 7 They are always learning but are never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now just as Jannes and Jambres stood against Moses, in the same manner also these are brazenly standing against the truth; they are men of depraved minds, reprobate in respect to the faith. 9 But they will proceed no further, because their folly will become clearly evident to everyone, just as theirs also was.

10 But you have closely followed my doctrine, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 Persecutions and sufferings--such as happened to me in Antioch, in Iconium, and in Lystra. You know what sort of persecutions I endured; and the Lord delivered me out of them all. 12 And indeed, everyone who desires to live godly in Christ Jesus shall be persecuted. 13 But wicked men and imposters shall become worse and worse, deceiving others and being deceived themselves. 14 But as for you, continue in the things that you did learn and were assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them; 15 And that from a child you have known the Holy Writings, which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; 17 So that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work. — 2 Timothy 3 | A Faithful Version (AFV) Holy Bible, A Faithful Version © 2020 A Faithful Version. All Rights Reserved. Cross References: Exodus 7:11-12; Exodus 8:18; Deuteronomy 4:6; Deuteronomy 29:29; Psalm 34:19; Isaiah 44:20; Matthew 4:24; Matthew 7:15; Luke 6:35; Luke 16:14; John 15:20; Acts 7:52; Acts 13:14; Acts 14:22; Acts 19:36; Romans 1:29; Romans 1:31; Philippians 2:20; Philippians 2:22; 1 Timothy 2:4; 1 Timothy 2:25; 1 Timothy 4:1; 1 Timothy 4:7-8; 1 Timothy 5:6; 1 Timothy 6:5; 1 Timothy 6:11; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9; Titus 3:3

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JEWISH FALSE PROPHETS, SORCERERS AND EXORCISTS -- KJV (King James Version) Bible Verse List Visit https://www.billkochman.com/VerseLists/ to see more. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24, KJV "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." Mark 13:22, KJV "But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done . . . And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me." Acts 8:9-13, 18-24, KJV "And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus: Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God. But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand." Acts 13:6-11, KJV "Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded." Acts 19:13-16, KJV "Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." 2 Timothy 3:8-9, KJV "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12, KJV If you would like more info regarding the origin of these KJV Bible verse lists, go to https://www.billkochman.com/VerseLists/. Thank-you! https://www.billkochman.com/Blog/index.php/jewish-false-prophets-sorcerers-and-exorcists-kjv-king-james-version-bible-verse-list/?feed_id=192652&JEWISH%20FALSE%20PROPHETS%2C%20SORCERERS%20AND%20EXORCISTS%20--%20KJV%20%28King%20James%20Version%29%20Bible%20Verse%20List

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II Timothy 3:6-9 NKJV

[6] For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, [7] always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. [8] Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; [9] but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.

https://bible.com/bible/114/2ti.3.6-9.NKJV

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Bible Fun Fact: The Egyptian sorcerers that Moses opposed were named Jannes and Jambres (2 Timothy 3:8)

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2nd Timothy 3, Reprobates

2 Timothy 3:8

“Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.” King James Version

[lionofthegoldsun]

Without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

2 Timothy 3:2-9

[echologname]

Lost faith in God and rebelled against Him, now what?

It's not an ending but a beginning in being born again and finding what faith really is and to truly know God's love. God has a good plan for you, so, trust in Him and be patient.

To know God and still turn away in confusion and lack of faith. To change into someone who is bitter, angry, guilt ridden, depressed and anxious. To believe the demons lying and tempting them so naturally without thinking, to be foolish and harsh towards their parents. Paul says in 2 Timothy these aren't the qualities God wants in His servants and I grew to have some of them but not all:

In those times people will love only themselves and money. They will brag and be proud. They will say evil things against others. They will not obey their parents. People will not be thankful or be the kind of people God wants. Just as Jannes and Jambres were against Moses, these people are against the truth. They are people whose thinking has been confused. They have failed in trying to follow the faith. Those women always try to learn new teachings, but they are never able to understand the truth fully. Some of them go into homes and get control of weak women who are full of sin. They are led to sin by the many evil desires they have. They will continue to act as if they serve God, but they will not really serve God. Stay away from those people.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Tim.3.2,2Tim.3.8,2Tim.3.7,2Tim.3.6,2Tim.3.5,2Tim.2.19&version=ICB

But He also says that to those He's predestined to be His child:

But God’s strong foundation continues to stand. These words are written on that foundation: “The Lord knows those who belong to him.” And also these words are written on that foundation, “Everyone who says that he believes in the Lord must stop doing wrong.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Tim.2.19&version=ICB

You may get lost and confused and choose to leave behind your Christian life because you reached the point where you have no idea what faith is or if everything you've ever been told about God is really true. And you'll start doubting what even is truth or good and bad in the first place?

God understands, He's empathetic to those who are deceived and taken under the control of the Enemy and led to sin over and over again until they've lost their minds in the storm inside their hearts and minds: the war of good and evil. You never killed who you were as a Christian and replaced her, you're STILL her and always will be because God declared it. You're just a little or very, very lost. In the end, if God loves you, you are blessed for the new heart He gave you long ago never changed as much as you think.

If you gave into temptation and find yourself hating all things Christian related, it's because the dark doesn't understand the light, and so, rejects it. It's OK to understand at one point and not at another time in your life. It's OK to say you know God and eventually come to where you don't. Yes, it does say:

If we say we don’t know him,then he will say he doesn’t know us.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Tim.2.12&version=ICB

But I was like Peter in Luke 22:54-62:

The soldiers started a fire in the middle of the courtyard and sat together. Peter sat with them. A servant girl saw Peter sitting there near the light. She looked closely at Peter’s face and said, “This man was also with him!” But Peter said this was not true. He said, “Girl, I don’t know him.” A short time later, another person saw Peter and said, “You are also one of them.”But Peter said, “Man, I am not!” About an hour later, another man insisted, “It is true! This man was with him. He is from Galilee!” But Peter said, “Man, I don’t know what you are talking about!”Immediately, while Peter was still speaking, a rooster crowed. Then the Lord turned and looked straight at Peter. And Peter remembered what the Lord had said: “Before the rooster crows tonight, you will say three times that you don’t know me.” Then Peter went outside and cried with much pain in his heart. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke.22.55,Luke.22.56,Luke.22.57,Luke.22.58,Luke.22.59,Luke.22.60,Luke.22.61,Luke.22.62&version=ICB

I SWORE I would NEVER leave God, why would I? I loved God! So, when I found myself turning away, I knew what I was doing but I still couldn't believe it, i didn't know what I was doing or why, but I was anyways because of the demons whispering to me. But STILL, Jesus was with me and He was saddened, I could feel it but I myself just felt sad and sinning hurt Him, who's in me, so I was in a lot of emotional hurt as I was being spiritually crucified, to be brought back to life 7 years later. Jesus was watching me, probably thinking, "I know this isn't who you are. You're just hurt and confused."

I've also seen this a lot:

Some people cannot be brought back again to a changed life. They were once in God’s light. They enjoyed heaven’s gift, and they shared in the Holy Spirit. They found out how good God’s word is, and they received the powers of his new world. And then they fell away from Christ! It is not possible to keep on bringing them back to a changed life again. For they are nailing the Son of God to a cross again and are shaming him in front of others.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Heb.6.4,Heb.6.5,Heb.6.6&version=ICB

But a Christian will ALWAYS have salvation as long as they believe in the Gospel (John 3:16). Hebrews 6:6 is a warning to Christians that doubt leads to rebellion which leads to sin. You still have salvation but it's going to take a lot of heart ache to clear away the spiritual thorns you've grown.

If God let you turn away in the first place, to let you be blind to His truth and appear absent (when He really isn't), it's a trial, it's to test you in battle against evil and even if you can't fight, God will try to help you and save you when it gets too serious. He's letting you go your own way (it's ALWAYS the wrong way) so you can learn a LOT from it. God gives us free will because He wants a REAL relationship with us, one where we choose to love Him and be with Him, not where we're forced to. He'll always love you but He understands if it's not always easy to feel the same way. If going down this path is REALLY what you want, He loves you, so, He respects your choice. I wish He wouldn't let me make decisions and just puppeteer me because I tend to make foolish ones a lot because I lean on my own understanding which is never nearly as comprehensive as God's. However, His Will, will be done and it's always good, so, as bad as sin is (in making it easier to have a desire for it and do it without thinking), I think He sometimes lets it happen, like surely knowing Adam and Eve would curse humanity and get kicked out of Eden, but it's part of gathering a good army against evil, ones that have been sided with the Enemy but turned away. Even some angels turned from Him, so, instead of sparing humanity from this curse in the beginning by killing Adam and Eve and remaking humanity, but He loved them and so, had mercy on them and allowed humanity to grow as it has, endless wars between sides and an abundance of good people and wicked. He let the problem exist in the first place for the very same reason He let you turn away from Him, and it's so, we will experience His amazing Grace and His power to turn the bad into good. When all of humanity was just 2 people, it was the consequence of sin that they should die but they got to live in the world and become a part of it and eventually, through their off spring, through Noah's and Abraham's and David's came another human, BORN Holy WITHOUT humanity's curse to sin compulsively and unknowingly, this baby was without sin of His own and the perfect child of God in every way even never faltering to stay steadfast while being tempted and tortured. All of humanity was to die to pay the price of sinning. But God was STILL merciful, He didn't create His son to give rise to a new generation to inherit holiness through heredity, but to save all those that came before, during and after His time, so that ALL of humanity has a fair chance to be a child of God like Jesus. And so, the wrath God had, has and will have for anyone that disobeyed Him and acted in ungodly ways, put to death ONE man, not even fully human, for He was conceived with The Holy Spirit, so that anyone can become like Him: Holy, a NEW kind of human, whose hearts have an instinct of right from wrong (a good conscience, not what qualifies as "sin" specifically) and to have a longing for God. It's in this way, through Jesus, we are united in Him, His sufferings are ours and ours, His. Dying on the cross went deeper than just getting barbaric piercings, He took the punishment from God for what countless people have done. I had a reveren who theorized Jesus went to Hell because that's the punishment, I think if He did, it was for eternity, and for the world, it was only 3 days. God knew Adam and Eve would sin and let it happen so, evil would come to fear Him. For the power of evil to be continuously purified and cast out from God's people and to give His people the power to fight too (if evil spirits are bothering you, merely name dropping Jesus is enough to shoo them away). I think no matter what horrors beyond our understanding, Jesus endured, clearly coming back from it was enough to break reality and have every evil spirit in existence cower and flee at merely the mention of His name, which His power extends to, just as the Father's power extends to His Word.

I was just a teenager when SO much stress and torment from demons caused me to lose faith, and oh boy, was that ever true. That was only the SHADOW of the Valley of Death, it felt like I was in the real thing! I believed the lies that everything I've ever been told about God was a lie, just a fairytale, just a psychological product of nurturing. I couldn't stand being away from God but I didn't want to go back, or thought I couldn't. So, I tried to be spiritual in other ways like connecting with nature like Wiccans do. I found myself believing in fairy tales that I eventually discovered weren't true and one day, after 3 years of heart ache, there was only God's Word, the truest truth I needed to give me healing. Before thatz dubt kept me away from hearing God's promises and thus, hope in Him. I NEEDED a light in the dark, I NEEDED to be in the eye of the storm with Him instead of tossed about like a ragdoll. But, I think God had a plan in letting me go my own way for a little bit and feel sin's sting. The experience would eventually come to make my faith stronger than it was before I lost it. It would make me empathetic to all the things in the Bible about sin and knowledgeable first hand of the Enemy's tricks. His love and grace would become so much sweeter. And ALL the many lies I believed would be set right and I would feel immense regret for giving in to temptation and repent fervently.

How could I sing praises of being saved if I already was ever since I was 4? Know what it's like to be spiritually dead and come to life if I was saved as an innocent being and so, never had knowledge of that misery and suffering? I think I knew all of this too when I prayed to God saying I needed a break from Him so I could figure myself out as I was having an identity crisis and was too confused and troubled to think about Him. I think I knew, distance makes the heart grow fonder and one day, I'd return.

I think He let me go through all that so I would be here with a testimony of how His love saved me from evil and to teach and encourage others who might be in the same position as I was or if they're still in the beginning stages of losing faith.

If you're wandering in darkness and think, "this is my life now, for I've turned away and don't think I can go back." God FEELS for you, He's going to keep reaching out to you and fighting for you until you're safe in His arms again. And He's NEVER left you.

If we are not faithful,he will still be faithful,because he must be true to who he is.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Tim.2.13&version=ICB

Though in good conscience, I look back on those dreaded days and in all honesty, God was still blessing me and silently guiding me, so, it wasn't that bad, but I cringe at the steps I took in the wrong directions and feel regretful and a bit ashamed. Inside my mind and heart, they were twisted and distorted and in pain. I think that's the eternal suffering we'd endure in Hell. Not literal pain like you got a paper cut or stubbed your toe, but the mental and emotional pain of being tormented by evil spirits and feeling your spirit break and your soul lose its light (you can see I was depressed and dealing with a lot of mental health issues I never had to deal with before on that scale). And it'd CONTINUE to be like that without Jesus putting an end to it. Though, God does say He's already chosen who will be saved and who wouldn't long ago, and I like to think that good people with kind, selfless hearts passed before someone could tell them about Jesus, that He'd appear to them once they're no longer in this world and offer them salvation. And to those that were truly Hell spawn, then even though they're human like me, sinners like me, and I have empathy for them, I have to let God's Will be done and to learn to hate what He hates and love what He loves.

God did not give us a spirit that makes us afraid. He gave us a spirit of power and love and self-control. God saved us and made us his holy people. That was not because of anything we did ourselves but because of what he wanted and because of his grace. That grace was given to us through Christ Jesus before time began. It was not shown to us until our Savior Christ Jesus came. Jesus destroyed death. And through the Good News, he showed us the way to have life that cannot be destroyed. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Tim.1.7,2Tim.1.9,2Tim.1.10&version=ICB

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Grabe hindi ko talaga kinakaya! ANG KAKAPAL NG MUKHA!!!!

I CANNOT!!!! WHERE'S THE HUMANITY???? AND MOST OF ALL WHERE'S THE "INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS" HERE?!!! IS IT A JOKE?!!! ISRAEL COMMITTED WAR CRIMES, VIOLATED HUMAN RIGHTS, AND EVEN GOVERNMENT LEADERS WOULDN'T EVEN CALL FOR A CEASEFIRE?!!!! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!

3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be LOVERS OF THEMSELVES, lovers of money, BOASTFUL, PROUD, ABUSIVE, DISOBEDIENT to their parents, ungrateful, UNHOLY, 3 WITHOUT LOVE, unforgiving, SLANDEROUS, without self-control, BRUTAL, NOT LOVERS OF THE GOOD, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, LOVERS OF PLEASURE RATHER THAN LOVERS OF GOD— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

- 2 Timothy 3:1-9

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“Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.” Romans‬ ‭1:28‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.” 2 Timothy‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

One of the worst things you can have as a Christian is a reprobate mind. The knowledge of God but not the lifestyle of God. We justify our sins (actions) as acceptable, the double standard, and hypocritical. Know God’s Word for yourself by spending time in it. God’s word is the law, and following it will give you true rewards versus temporary pleasure. God will deliver you from your thoughts and actions. What is good for man is not always acceptable to God. Seek God FIRST, study His Word, pray, praise, worship, repent, listen, celebrate, meditate, observe, believe, ask, surrender, fellowship, forgive, give, and be grateful and obedient.

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2 Timothy 3

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.