#In the mediterranean it can fxxxxxxx snow!!!
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What the actual f??!! Why´s giving Ancient Aliens??? Like what????.
I apologize in advance for my grammar, use of slang and innacuracies, feel free to criticize and educated me, I´m just a man.
First you´re telling that he is from the sorry what date 7500-5000 BC, woah my man is Meso-Neolithical?.
I´m not a history expert, but didn´t Homer and the ones before him, said it take place in Mycanean Greece (it´s a new term and something the wouldn´t have called themselves, heck greecks called themselves Helenes, so yeah..), also Troy having been found and not been mythical, like how a "greek" ship with a plethora of man, don´t notice passing through Gibraltar or the Pillars of Hercules, pasing Gadir or the lake that used to be the Guadalquivir´s delta, noting the climate change around Portugal´s coastline and the strenght of the westerlies and currents patterns, like they are sesoned men of the sea or atleast they would knowing the time the stayed at sea; also the Baltic used to freeze along the shores in some parts????, why THAT isn´t mentioned in the Odyssey?? It´s a central part of navegation having free ice water and deep ports.
You could rebuttal that maybe it was localized for the audience, but Troy´s existance, the conspicous absence of ice, of northern food, nor tactics nor contact with people of the region, like it would have described atleast a clear distinction in people´s appearence and coustoms opposite to that of Eastern and Levant societies. Seems so fishy but as stated up I´m not an history expert nor I have a deep knowledge of baltic societies nor seafaring techniques, only I can skim the surface, so if a kind a soul has the sufficient time to correct me feel free as I´M NOT AN EXPERT nor is my normal comfort zone (ancient mediterranean world, spanish biogeography, coustoms, etc.. botany and recreational sailing and ocean realms and a little more...).
I want to unalive myself so badly, like the staments are shitty in the least and down bad lies.
I will dissect it to the best of my abilities:
Ulysses would have frozen to death at Troy. Our hero’s host, Eumaeus the swineherd, hears the story and gets the hint: He loans Ulysses a cloak, because again, the night is freezing cold.
First we use the Roman name of Odysseus: Ulysses, great start :D
Second, in the Mediterranean temperatures can be absolutuly chilly, DANAS or cold drops around autumm (mostly), can and will make it snow and drop tempetures to the 5ºC or less in the coast, also if we attend to the supposed placement of Ithaca in the Ionian sea, it snows in the mountains peaks of Cephalonia,  (Κεφαλονιά) that is in the middle of the sea.
Troy in the other hand is in Anatolia, looking it up in Wikipedia (I know is not the best source but is what is it) January minimum temperatures stays around 9 to 5 ºC, (Chilly nights for sure).Having a Csa (Temperate hot summer dry climate =mediterranean) doesn´t mean winters can´t be chilly. Here where I live I bordered a desertic climate with terrible summers with highs normally around 36ºC, and a little bit more inland it snows all years, and I´m in south Spain a little bit more south than Greece and Turkey which have milder climates than I.
numerous climate anomalies in Homer’s works, for example cool, foggy weather and snow dusting the shields of the warriors
I have said this before, it can snow in winter, not common but not unheard of. Also we're refering to a time global temperatures where colder and wetter, there are sites that were built to conserve ice in places where it rarelly snows now, like "neveros" in Spain scattered around the Mediterranean arc
various geographic discrepancies, such as references to the ��wide Hellespont,” which would fit better with the broad Gulf of Finland
I don´t get the comparassion, the Hellespont ( The sea of Helle) was crucial in the Illiad, it´s located right after Troy, connecting it with the sea of Marmara and with the Exinus Pontus or as we call it the Black sea.
several topographic correspondences — for example, Troy could be the southern Finnish town of Toijala, Chios the Estonian island of Hiiumaa, and Pylene the northern German town of Plön.
Don´t know how similar they are or if they have something that could be related to them, like all those cities are basically minor, except Troy, but Mykene, Pylos and the ones before have there real part
reports of fighting at night, which would be possible thanks to long summer days in northern latitudes
Hello!!, here we have that two also, have you not heard of full moon nights?, like you can see almost everything and with torches the merrier. Also our nights around June´s solstice are like 9 hours?.
the boats in the Odyssey having two prows so they can be pointed in either direction, just like typical Viking longships
I´m not getting myself to deep with this one , because i don´t know ancient seafering to that degree.
From these fragments, Vinci extrapolates a grand narrative, which goes something like this: During the Holocene Climate Optimum, from roughly 7500 to 5500 BC, northern Europe was much warmer than it is now, generated rich harvests, and hosted a vibrant, proto-Greek Bronze Age civilization.
Greek culture stems from the Indo-european and native Acheans, second the Bronze age spans from  3300 BC to 1200 BC. Mykeanean Greece spanning the period from approximately 1750 to 1050 BC, timelines don´t mixed at all with information provided. Also it doesn´t alligned at all with migration patters nor genetical information.
Climate-wise was at least 6ÂşC warmer in winter than it is today so not that much, also at page 14 is a graph with samples from the Scandinavian peninsula of that era, and temperatures where still kind of chilly
When the climate cooled, that civilization migrated south, to Greece. This would be the so-called Dorian invasion, with newcomers from the north taking over from the pre-classical inhabitants of Greece. Those Dorians brought from the north their culture, including northern original place names that were recycled for use in the eastern Mediterranean, as well as the orally transmitted epics that would be refashioned into the Iliad and Odyssey.
Oh God, please not this, the Dorian invasion is an hypothetical that was created to explain the radical change of culture of the greek world between Bronze age and Archaic periods, 1050-700 BC, The Climatic Optimmum ended in 5500 BC. These "dorians" would be ancient in comparison to Cycladics, Minoans and Mykeneans.
If that’s true, the Trojan War was a Nordic conflict and the Odyssey was a Baltic adventure. Vinci obliges, by matching key places in the epic stories to locations in northern Europe. As the map shows, the “ringing plains of Troy” would have been situated in southern Finland.
Troy (Illium) has been found in modern day Turkey, the plains could be the stratums, because Troy is super ancient
And it’s not just that starting point of the Odyssey that is outlandish; the other stops along the way are equally strange. Vinci identifies the location of the Greek city of Thebes with that of the Swedish capital of Stockholm. Hellas — the classical name for Greece — is in Estonia, while northern Poland is Egypt (and the location of the Egyptian city of Thebes).
Illustrious Athens once stood where the southern Swedish town of Karlskrona now rears its roofs: charming and baroque, but definitely less grand and much more recent. Copenhagen is Mycenae, while Ogygia, the island where the nymph Calpyso held Ulysses captive for seven years, is one of the Faroe Islands.
How you assign Baltic regions to Greek regions that are real, traceble and having well funded history, to places that mostly started to get big and change from villages around AC, LIKE WHAT THE HELL?
Yeah an island with eternal spring in the north, better tell me he ended up in Tenerife and was ordering mojo picĂłn,hahaha. But being serious, if it was stated to be above the freezing line and was quite cold and damp even summer, I could buy it, but no. The idea of Claypso island being the Faroes is baffling, they started to be inhabited by the 500 AC if we are being early.
Vinci spins a fantastic tale, but does any of it hold water? There is very little archaeological evidence of a highly developed Bronze Age civilization in the Baltic region during the time that would fit his story. And the evidence he presents is cherry-picked, often ignoring clues to the contrary. In the words of one critic, Vinci “uses faint indicators to draw enormous conclusions, and hides or is blind to contradicting evidence,��� in the manner of many popular books about UFOs, mermaids, or Atlantis.
Even the article says it could not be real, and the evidence showned it´s so vague, like why don´t you acknowledge that in advance!!!???? He does not use "faint indicators", he does not even get the chronological order to be even remotely plausible.
The article then lists a bunch of authors and one of them cites Cádiz as Ithaca, Cambridge as Troy and another the Azores island as Ithaca,
The Azores island where unhibited before 100 BC OR 0 AC
https://web.archive.org/web/20110514153752/http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/monumentos-funerarios-descobertos-nos-acores.
As this has come to a close, my rage has been extinguished, now the bed awaits for me, my fingers and eyes tire.
These have been the two most infuriating hours of 2024.
Thanks so much for reading it and hope you enjoyed my rumble :D
It has been a pleasure
Aaron of Ithaca
Insanity. Pure delusion.
They love putting him through situations even after death. He just can't get any rest can he
#sorry for my grammar#The actual f#what´s going on people's mind????#The Odyssey#Let him alone#chilling in his sunny Ithaca#he has gone trought so much#like leave him in peace#Homer#Baltic Odyssey????????????#shitpost turned into a letting my burned brain write#sleep deprived#aaron tedtalks#In the mediterranean it can fxxxxxxx snow!!!
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