#IRIS theory

[musingsofmessa]

CASE FILE: ALTR 13519191

ALTR Number: 13519191

Name: Messa

Age: 26

Height: 5'1"

Description: Female anatomy with short brown hair, green eyes and a petite build. When using abilities, her eyes glow a neon green and bleed. May also bleed from the nose or mouth depending on how prevalent ALTR 114209's control is.

Abilities: Empathic and psychotic - may be dark empath; psychic, instills paranoia in those who come in contact, masochistic & gets off on pain, very promiscuous in nature, enhanced hearing, has voices in her head and uses those voices against others.

Containment Procedures/Notes: ALTR 13519191 is deemed unsafe in the eyes of I.R.I.S personnel and under constant watch. Although, there are times where she is safe around others - but that's a rare occurrence.

Methods of control used on subject are binding by straight jacket, and even sexual torture (for scientific purposes - we do not find pleasure in controlling ALTR 13519191 in this manner, but know she finds pleasure in it and we do not grant her any form of sexual release). When she has endured enough, subject will pass out from too much stimulation and remain in containment until she wakes. It is up to I.R.I.S. personnel to say if she is safe after said torture.

If she is a good subject, we give her a plush bunny she calls "Trauma," (noted below) the same bunny that was on her person when we found her. If any staff experience ALTR 13519191 during a psychotic break, holding Trauma usually calms her.

ALTR 13519191 is, for the most part, docile toward staff that reveal who they truly are and/or haven't experimented on her & don't know what she's like behind closed doors. The same goes for when she meets other subjects in the facility - It's as if a switch goes off in her head to play a shy character in order to get what she wants.

Shows aggressive and manic behavior when manipulated in any form, as the subject can read you like a book and use your fears against you. ALTR 13519191 has exceptional knowledge of ALTR 114209 and has seen him many times. It's also important to note that the subject was a target of 114209 - that is, until her mind caved under his control. It's difficult to say how long ALTR 114209's power had been weakening her resolve before her mind was completely corrupted. Subject shows signs of mental instability and paranoia, as well as strengthening of her abilities when under ALTR 114209's possession in containment.

Other notes of importance: A drawing tablet was taken from her home, as it's believed to be the main cause of 114209's control. It's in a separate wing away from her and turned off at all times, unless under dissection by staff to figure out the root cause as to how it became an I.O.I. (item of interest) and how it affected the subject. No worthy findings to note about the tablet itself, other than drawings of ALTR 114209. Also found self portraits of ALTR 13519191 that may be worthy to note and used to question subject at a later time.

Dr. Henrik von Schneeplestein CANNOT be around 13519191 for his own safety.

It is believed that 13519191 and ALTR 114209 have been/are romantically involved, although I.R.I.S staff aren't certain. We watch what ALTR 13519191 says closely, and subject has mentioned her love for 114209 on several occasions as well as other lewd details. Subject has said, "You may not see it, but Anti and I see each other all the time," finishing her statement with a psychotic laugh.

13519191 may experience hallucinations, either visual or auditory.

[isas-theory-wall]

OH MY GOD I DO HAVE IT. HELL YEAH ANON, THANKS

Apparently after IRIS regained access to their account the document regarding ALTR 5914 was deleted???

plus 2 more tweets that were relevant to the livestream

[clownowo]

Sisters :]

[detectivebambam]

Andrew "I don't want the world to see me, cuz I don't think that they'd understand" Minyard

and Neil "when everything's made to be broken, i just want you to know who I am" Josten

[lostuntothisworld]

Okay so I think it's time for another spaghetti theory:

Lilamoth isn't collecting moms. She's collecting sisters (or siblings)

Let me explain my thought process here. So a big complaint the fandom has is that we don't have a proper rogue gallery for villains. It's just the butterfly, and nothing else. It worked for early seasons, but things might be getting stale for some folks.

Enter new characters connected to Lilamoth somehow.

So she has 3 moms so far (that we know about.) All but one have something in common: dark hair and blue eyes.

From left to right we have Mrs. Rossi (red), Mrs. Bianca (white), and her third mother who is deaf could possibly be Mrs. Verdi (green).

Then we have this fourth lady that we see Lilamoth watching on her phone in the season 5 finale. I would NOT be surprised if Odille is going to be her 4th mom. Dark hair and blue eyes, and she is also disabled, just like her third mom.

(And I would not be surprised if we find out her surname is Nero (black), or Viola (violet). More on that aspect of this crack theory in a bit...)

Anyway, back to the concept of a rogues gallery. In the finale we see Lila in a disguise that 's VERY reminiscent of one of her moms:

Certainly she can't expect to disguise herself as a woman in her 30's-40's, and especially not with glasses and bangs. But she can pass reasonably as a teenage girl with a dark bob and glasses. You know, a sister.

So we know a certain main character whose name is in the title and wears red with black polkadots has dark hair and blue eyes. We don't know Lilamoth's motivations and and end goal, but we can surmise that she wants to take the place of Marinette.

(And I KNOW I've seen at least one other person theorize this, and I cannot find the post(s) so if you can find it please let me know so I can link it here!)

The pictures we see is one of Marinette with her classmates on the Liberty where Zoe is accepted in the friend group, Marinette with her parents, 3 pictures of Marinette with Kagami, and one picture of Marinette with Luka.

It's interesting to note that there isn't a picture of Marinette and Adrien together shown to the audience. You'd think they'd emphasize that, but no, it's mostly Kagami. I know it's because it's because the episode focuses on Kagami, but still. Other than her, it's just Marinette's parents, Zoe and Luka (Luka! Marinette's ex!) showcased in the closeup screenshot.

I got sidetracked! Anyway, I think other than similar coloring (and color-themed surnames haha) Lilamoth is trying to find other teenagers who are willing to join forces with her. She probably will get her hands on some Miraculous for them, somehow. But I don't think the new jewels will be from the Chinese box.

Here's where things start REALLY going off the rails with this theory:

All of Lilamoth's rogue gallery of villains are her adopted sisters (or siblings) and they are all Luka's exes. He's got a type for Italians with dark hair and blue eyes...

Going back to the surnames, all the surnames have something in common: they share the colors of all of Adrien's various transformations over the course of the series so far:

Rossi: Mister Bug

Bianca: Chat Blanc

Verdi: Aspik

We're just missing Chat Noir (could possibly will be the surname Nero, as it's Italian)

and Ephemeral (it's interesting to note that the surname Lee in Chinese can mean plum, which of course, is purple)

So naturally, my crack theory circles back to Lukadrien is endgame.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

{{{{{{Edit as of April 3, 2024.}}}}}

I will NOT be surprised if this girl with black hair in an extremely recognizable style is a disguise of another sister.

Is Lilamoth collecting blackmail to manipulate them later? She's very obviously walking disguised in areas where there would be lots of cameras (The inside of the Agreste mansion, and the hotel).

(Edit as of April 27, 2024!)

Now we know the synopsis of the London Special, I believe the disguises are to hide Lilamoth's tracks because she knows Maribug's identity. Bonus points if these girls were previous Ladybugs in past time lines that Lilamoth stole the identities of...

[[[Edit: May 4, 2024]]]

I think I found the names of the previous Ladybugs: Marina, Shone, and Mio. (Please enjoy a silly extremely rough draft of where I'd personally go with the show)

As for the rest of the spray paint on the walls, this mural is an actual feature of the Paris Catacombs:

And while I think that most of the other tags on the wall are functionally meaningless and just there for ambiance, I do find the 777-777 tag to be of note. 7 Ladybugs till Lilamoth's goal? What's the deal with the arrows and the floating away 3 7's? Are 3 already "gone"??? Fascinating stuff! My mind is reeling!

[Edit for May 6, 2024]

Possibly figured out the source of the lightning in the season 5 finale. For whatever reason it's not showing up in the tags lmfao tungle is a functional website

[alexthen3rd]

Nnoooo 😭💜 My poor baby

Uhhh hey JSE Community

I haven’t seen a single peep about this, but Sean’s latest upload from two days ago, “Don’t Forget To Feed Him (Entity Room)” has some flashes of Chase in it.

I’m genuinely surprised I didn’t see anything about it, because I still follow tons of JSE theorists despite me being beaten senseless by other hyperfixations atm.

Anyway, here’s the glitches with timestamps:

I also want to point out, if you notice these screenshots supplied by @a-septic-mind​ vs my link to the video, the title changed.

Now, in fairness, nowadays title changes mean little to nothing because the YouTube algorithm is such a bitch.

HOWEVER, I find the change choice interesting. “Don’t forget to feed him.”

Y’know, Chase looks awful exhausted in those screenshots. Maybe bored or whatever, sure. Stressed, of course. But I’d argue weak too. Can’t keep his head up. He’s locked in a cell with no access to food.

He’s relying on his captors to feed him. And it sounds to me like they’re a little more than negligent, or perhaps preoccupied by a certain ALTR? Or dare I suggest that same ALTR, The Watcher, Anti is manipulating the surveillance footage of Chase’s cell, leaving the staff unaware he needs to be fed?

[ragnorfalling]

mrs flood penzance sticker on the suitcase??

penzance - lands end ???

pirates of penzance gilbert and sullivan ???

more singing to come. more liminal spaces between the land and the sea

i am the very model of a gallifreyan buccaneer sang by colin baker on our screens at christmas?? ok maybe not

but theres something here

[valyrra]

idk i kinda love the black and white one as always more!!!!!!!!!!

@esolean @theelderhazelnut @scentedcandleibex @chewbokachoi @livia25leelover tysm for engaging <3 i hope u like it

[alexthen3rd]

I LOVE these Theories and could DEFINITELY be the case but another thing that could be it is that Seán decided to change his appearance to make him actually horrifying and not a cute glitchy goblin with extra floofy hair.

Or, he's been projecting himself on the internet and traveling through technology through the IRIS technology and software and his appearance is based on when he's in technology (Green and Glitching) and when he's actually out walking (Red with Grippers out). The thick beard could just be Sean's luscious beard and the messy but slicked back hair is a trait of some of the most popular villains (ie, Loki) but hey. That's just a Theory... AN EGO THEORY!

(Please gentle with me. I honestly believe this is the first theory I've ever made a post about)

GUYS I HAVE AN IDEA

What if, red Anti, aka ALTR 114209, is how Anti looks when posing as Chase Brody

And Green Anti, aka Antisepticeye, will be reused, but instead it will be how Anti looks when posing as Jackie-boy Man

AM I COOKING CHAT?

[notedchampagne]

harrow the ninth, gideon pov & seven stages of grief feat. harrowhark nonagesimus

[pinkfreakk]

Iris wildthyme is for sure a very complex doctor who character. After the last Mrs. Flood post I made, I've started considering the possibility of the latter being her.

From what I gathered, throughout her regenerations she met herself and them continously. She met the 4th doctor so many times, sometimes the 1th, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 8th.

She had a bus as her tardis if I'm correct! That might explain why she didn't immediately realize what the cabin was when she saw it. Then, after seeing it disappear, she seemed to understand despite the initial shock.

She met the fourth doctor a lot, and Mrs. Flood's civic number on the door is 4... but it could mean nothing. She can't regenerate anymore, so she's definitely gotten old. Mrs. Flood would be, supposedly, her last regeneration.

I don't know about you guys... but I kinda see it. The BBC loves picking actors that resemble characters a lot, and they try to make them look as accurate as possible. It's a possibility. She gives massive Iris vibes too. It's the only true reasonable explanation for me, but I might be wrong of course.

[reblogs-are-the-love]

JJ lost his pocket watch x[

ALTR 5914 LORE BABY

.... Video recordings??

[yubellia]

Lila/Cerise/Iris/Daphne(?) Style analysis

Hi! Now we all calmed down after the miraculous London special (that didn’t really took place in London most of the time), I thought about something. Our favorite local liar and chameleon had a lot of outfits so far.

So why not try to analyze them and maybe come to a conclusion for her future in the series? Also, I won‘t talk about the waitress because that was kind of a spying mission and a one time thing. We focus on the civilian ones ok? Also remember that English isn’t my first language ok?

Enjoy!

Lila Rossi

Ok let’s start at the beginning. „Lila Rossi“ is introduced as the new girl in school. And she is not wasting time. She starts to spread lies instantly.

But we are here for her outfit.

- She has long red-brown hair that reaches her hips, tied together at the ends and bangs that cover her forehead (we later learn that it’s a wig)

- she has greenish eyes (contact lenses)

- probably uses fake tan or makeup

- she has a gray- black romper with white polka dots.

- gray tights

- brown ankle boots

- an orange-red leather jacket

- these three wristbands

- (apparently she wears earrings) only relevant in one episode.

To be honest, Lila is one of the characters with style. Her romper could be better and they could have changed her hair a little bit. But overall, she is pretty.

Her outfit isn’t all that spectacular but her red leather jacket is an eye catcher.

Red is a loud color if you get what I mean. It demands attention. Just like Lila herself. So this aspect is reflected in her outfit.

Since we thought that she is just a background villain, there isn’t that much to say just yet.

Cerise Bianca

this is where things get a bit more interesting.

Cerise didn’t change too much, talking about her outfit. It looks like her Lila disguise with different colors.

- her leather jacket is light brown now

- her romper is a solid purple/pink (can we talk about this one? I know purple is a ‚royal and regal‘ color but this looks so tacky and…. No! Just no!)

- she keeps her wristbands

- her tights and boots stay the same.

Now things get interesting.

- without her wig, Cerise has a short pixie cut.

- her tan is fake

- and she has light brown/ hazel eyes.

Her eyes are also special for a different reason.

What about the eyes? Well, look at the characters. Many of them have these round big eyes. Cerises eyes are more fox like, especially when she smirks. It actually takes focus to keep your eyes „normal“ when smiling. Otherwise your eyes turn to slits once your smile or ‚smirk‘ reaches your eyes.

But back to the Cerise!

The purple romper, as ugly as it is, is another attention seeking color. Like the red jacket before in her Lila outfit. Red and purple are also colors that royals wore in the past.

This is pretty fitting considering that she told her other classmates that she is an actress and a star. This outfit is just as attention grabbing as the last. The purple can also be a foreshadowing for when she becomes the new Hawk Moth.

Unfortunately, Cerise becomes a character in the background. She isn’t interacting with many characters. Instead she pulls the strings in the background. There isn’t much to say about it here.

Maybe we see this disguise in season 6 again. Marinette didn’t see her like this yet after all.

Iris Verdi

I think that this is the disguise she used to infiltrate the Agreste Mansion at the end of season 5.

We see something interesting here. This outfit is different than the others. It’s a full-body-disguise, just like ‚Lila‘ was. However. This outfit is much less attention grabbing.

Her black wig has bangs again that cover her forehead. She also wears glasses this time. Combining those two things isn’t easy. Let me tell you as someone who wears glasses. Why? Because it ‚hides‘ your face.

This is very interesting because that’s exactly what she wants with this disguise. Get in, get the miraculous and get out without being seen.

If you look at it, this is also were her outfits get more… ‚basic‘. No power colors or special statement pieces. Maybe her black leather jacket.

However, black is one of the more basic colors for leather jackets. It’s almost like she is trying to dress up as a background character.

She has a light blue jeans and her normal brown boots.

Daphne Azuri (London special)

Now, last but not least, we have her new disguise in the London special. We didn’t see too much but we at least got a full body view.

This disguise was leaked by the way. The name Daphne (Azuri? Azure?) was also flowing around.

I think this new persona is either Iris or Daphne. Not sure yet.

-She wears a blond wig that is tied into a bun. Her forehead is fully visible. There is not a single loose hair. It looks pretty strict.

-she has blue/purple ish contacts. (Sorry the lighting makes ist a bit unclear.)

-it seems like her fake tan is back.

-her 3 wristbands are gone….

Now her outfit:

She wears a black skirt, black tights and her boots are black too. But it looks like she uses the same shoe model. (Probably because she knows she can walk and run in them. A practical decision perhaps.)

She wears a black sweater. The arms end shortly unter her elbows. Under that, she wears a white blouse.

This outfit ist interesting because it seems very strict and business like. Like she comes from a school with a school uniform perhaps….? It’s also very bland. No color at all.

However, as someone who also almost always wears black, let me tell you that you stick out like a sore thumb with that. I mean remember how….. colorful the characters from miraculous are. She will stand out with that.

Also black is a basic villain color. Unless your character is a secret agent and has to blend in at night. So there is that.

The leaks claim that in this outfit, she will have a red blazer and a hat matching it. So perhaps there is color involved after all.

However, this outfit, again, isn’t attention seeking at all really.

Also, if the leaks are true and she is disguised as an exchange student, than she will be able to ‚disappear‘ very easily if things get tough.

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Now, what else can we take away from this little style analysis? If you look at it from a story perspective, than it’s easy.

The more important she became for the story. The less attention grabbing are her outfits. We know that Cerise/Lila whatever, can be sneaky. She has no trouble getting somewhere and getting out without being seen. But now she really has a reason to look harmless and bland.

Now that I think about it, maybe she will stop lying for the same reason. It’s too dangerous to draw attention to yourself. So stuff like ‚I am ladybugs friend‘ are a no-go now.

I think season 6 will be interesting. I hope you liked it. Bye!

[nothingtherefornow]

The Tags in Lila's secret lair may give us a clue about her real name

So while I was doing stuff on Tumblr, I found the official models of the Tags that were on the walls and ceiling of Lila's secret lair in the Paris's catacombs.

As you can see below, the names "CAT NOIR" and "LADYBUG" are promiments, but two others words are used numerous times in the tags : "MARINA" and "SHONE"

There's also the word "MIO" used once which means "mine" in Italian so I'm not sure what to make of it or if it is that important.

Although its curiously funny that both the word "Mio" and "Marina" have a heart on their "i"

But I don't think it is a coincidence that "Marina" and "Shone" were tagged more than once on Lila's secret lair walls. I once theorised that Marina may have been Lila's real name. which lead me to now theorize that Shone could be Lila's real family name, even if it doesn't sound Italian at all.

And while Lila's fakes identities all have italian sounding family names (Lila Rossi - Cerise Bianca - Iris Verdi, which represent to colors of the italian flag nonehteless ^^') and that she likes to pass as an italian girl, there's no confirmation yet if she's tuly italian or not (something that even Astruc clued us on with a comment that maybe Lila also lied about being italian)

But Marina Shone sounds like a possible name to me

Although I know it seems too easy to imagine that the ML devs could have put Lila's real name on the walls of her secret lair before season 6 even launched, buth then the show has an history with visual foreshadowing, clues and symbolism.

Now as for the "Ladybug" and "Cat Noir" that are also tagged on the lair's walls, either they were written there in the Paris catacombs by bystanders before Lila made it her secret lair (Ladybug and Chat Noir were already famous when Lila moved to Paris and enrolled at Françoise-Dupont college). Or Lila herself wrote those tags as a way to express her jealousy toward the heroes and her lust for the miraculous (the synopsis of the Special London does confirm that she'll steal the Ladybug miraculous at some point after all, and only because she discovered Ladybug's secret identity. Had she also discovered Chat Noir's secret identity she wouldn't have hesitated to steal his miraculous too).

[alexthen3rd]

Jackieboyman said "Like a Boss"

IT'S HERE!!!

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@therealjacksepticeye

[sozzledjuja]

Pappy and The Staff: Thoughts on the Twins' Past

Following up on my previous post,

This scene in Lucky Star was super short and not that meaningful, but it was literally the ONLY time in the show where the twins mentioned something about their past or family (if you don't count the time Mephisto got hit in the head by a lobster crystal monster, and started asking "mommy" when they were going to the merry-go-round or whatever)

So they got a special powerful artifact in their family that is only passed down to the men. mmhh

Which could mean nothing, I know. Maybe it has nothing to do with misogyny, and it's simply a "harmless" family tradition. Maybe the female line in their family also has stuff they pass down, and this was just a regular Praxina moment because for once she couldn't have something her brother had. Which is a very sibling thing to do actually. Also, she was definetly jeaulous in this scene. And maybe a bit mad (hurt??) he didn't tell her about it.

Or maybe not. Who knows.

Plus, Mephisto rubbing salt in the wound, you gotta love him.

Still, this moment is definetly giving "Whoever Pappy was, he liked Mephisto better, and Prax is still bitter about it" vibes.

I think I heard somewhere that Pappy was their uncle (did he just visit sometimes?? did he live with them??? who knows) and if he has the staff, he's probably their mother's brother, or their father's older brother, who didn't have sons. That would make Mephisto the heir of the staff.

Totally unrelated to the original point of this post but that man was definetly the fun uncle (he was a court jester, c'mon) and he DEFINETLY preferred Mephisto over Praxina. Like, 1) the boy was gonna get the staff from him so it's obvious he would want to teach him and spend more time would him, 2) as a court jester, I'm assuming he preferred Mephisto's more bumbling personality, and 3) homegirl Praxina was not happy at all when Mephisto talked about the staff's origins, and she spoke about the man with a lot of disdain (mostly because of his position. which could also be her rejecting her family's "lower" or "unbecoming" status). also she was clearly jeaulous. So definetly not a big fan of him.

We know she's "always been an overachiever", as Mephisto put it in Home Pt1, while being yeeted into the stratosphere by Amaru, so i imagine she was already pretty good at magic when she was younger (good for her age, and better than Mephisto, at the time). And I headcanon she also wanted Pappy's approval at some point, and he... well- didn't care for her that much/as much as Mephisto.

To be fair, Praxina definetly strikes me as being that one child that works really hard to be impressive, but the adults around her are just like "Eh- that's nice. Anyways look at the other one who just did a cartweel and fell face flat into the concrete, omg awwwwww, so adorable and fun".

I don't think she was ever very "socially adept", I mean we saw Forget You!Praxina, and she was a social disaster. Maybe she didn't really know how to connect with people very well or people found her to be too abrasive or difficult to get along with, so she just- convinced herself she didn't need anyone else anyways.

Nothing too dramatic, but it can really shape a child.

And then Gramorr came along and their family went POOF somehow, and suddenly magical ability was all that mattered and not how "likable" or "sociable" you were, and it made her feel validated in a way. Maybe that's why she seems more interested in taking over Ephidea than Mephisto.

Maybe deep down she thinks that she's just naturally "unlikable", so it's easier to be "evil" on purpose, because then at least people have a reason to dislike her. She doesn't want to acknowledge the fear that if she did ever try to be nice, or to genuinely be herself without filters, she isn't sure she would ever good at it or accepted.

Or maybe this is just cause she gives me Azula vibes and I'm trying to project my Azula obssession onto her but whatever. MOMMY ISSUES. And UNCLE ISSUES. FUCK YEAH.

And the opposite goes for Mephisto, who Gramorr seems to have less patience for, despite him seemingly being at an even magical level with his sister.

Because while I think Praxina's struggles and insecurities come from a difficulty in forming connections, I think Mephisto's own issues also stem from comparing or being compared to her in terms of magical ability, cunning and ruthlessness. Which could've come from the parents (though we don't know anything about them or what the family dynamic was like while they were alive), or just one of them, or only started with Gramorr himself.

Honestly, the twins' backstory has got to be one of the most well kept secrets this show has.

Welp- that's it for today, i'm all out of brain power. Super interested to learn more about Ephidea and the twinss