#I'm literally talking about all the characters/ships in this fkn fandom

[romanticatheartt]

I just want to say, bringing down another character/ship to praise your favorite one, doesn't make me agreeing with you, it makes me hate the favorite character/ship of yours and despise your childish personality... just saying :)

[acourtofthought]

I sometimes hate Azriel so fkn much... like I know I'm gonna love him at some point, there is no chance I wouldn't. sjm has a way with words but my god... right now... I HATE HIM SO FKN MUCH!!!

This character alone is the reason this fandom hate at least three female characters in this series: Mor, Gwyn, Elain

Mor is literally being hated for no reason. And it doesn't help the fact that she's also queer and a (SA) survivor from her abusive family. People say she's been leading Az for 5 century while idk how she could be anymore obvious about her choice on the matter. I mean if I had a little self-respect I wouldn't have chased a woman when it's clear she doesn't want to be chased and I think she did it in the best way to not hurt him and also keep things neutral and still be his friend but as we all know this man is a shadow daddy so he's the one being wronged y'know...

Gwyn being hated bc she's a barrier between two people of a non canon (I repeat NON CANON) ship and again she's a SA survivor and never been given a chance to choose for herself. She's being villainized to make some people feel better and hopeful that one day their ship will be canon and destroy the villain so they can make their way to each other (I'M HYSTERICALLY LAUGHING I CAN'T-) like if you talk about Gwyn alone to someone they would fall in love with her idk how they could put a villain arc in her story...

Elain again having no choice in becoming a high fae and the only character trait they made for her is in the circle of being a housewife for Azriel, if not that they completely forget her desire not to want to be a warrior or spy or anything that has to do with violence and make her a full spymaster (that actually doesn't make a single sense since he's so abundant to keep her safe all the time and not wanting to expose her to troves bc he thinks so little of her and not trusting her in handling these stuffs?) or the high lady of Prison... yeah she would thrive there absolutely!!! We don't know much about this character and still people make it like they do and put their ideas and fantasies in her while we've never been in her head once!!

As you can see why I hate him so much. (I know it's probably not much of his fault really but his stans and I really hate that about this fandom)

ps: I know there are other reasons to dislike Elain but honestly didn't we all hated Nesta before her book? I'm pretty sure sjm would make us love her INDIVIDUALLY and not bc her relationship with someone...

The Mor and Az situation is complicated and messy but at the end of the day, he has had 500 years to ask Mor to sit down and have a real conversation about whether she has interest in him.

Really, it's as easy as that.

It's never easy to want someone who doesn't seem to want you in return and maybe you give it some time to see if that changes. But no one gets to play the victim after 500 years of pining for someone and I'm not sure why the narrative is always "poor Az". Maybe he tried to confess his feelings after her assault but that's not an excuse for never trying again within the last 5 centuries. He's the one who wants to know so he's the one that needs to approach her, not vice versa.

And yeah, Gwyn has done nothing to warrant hatred from anyone. She doesn't have to be someone's favorite character but the agenda to turn her evil or be some cruel seductress trying to lure Az away from Elain is ridiculous. She doesn't even know Az likes Elain. She's never even MET Elain. It doesn't matter if E/riel is canon or not, if Gwyn was being flirtatious with Az, Az never felt it was inappropriate considering he didn't vocalize having feelings for someone else. Instead he raised his brows high in amusement. He didn't feel guilt over the thought of Gwyn's happiness sparking something in his chest. Why is blame being placed on Gwyn when she's completely clueless as to what Az does when he leaves the training ring?

And yes, Elain has a mate. Yes, Elain was about to kiss Az. But so what? Nesta all but declared her love for Cassian then turned around and slept with other males yet I have never seen anyone shame her for that. But Elain being ready to kiss Az when she has never made promises to Lucien makes her a terrible person? People really don't seem to grasp the fact that to the sisters, mate doesn't mean anything to them at the start of their journey's. They were HUMANS for 20 plus years. The mating bond is not sacred to them. If the mating bond is the equivalent to fae religion, then people are attacking Elain for not jumping right on board with fae religion when she was raised to believe in something else. She hasn't embraced being fae yet therefore she is not ready to deal with her mating bond. She just lost her fiance, give the girl some time to play the field before making another life long decision. And again, Lucien has never once said, "Elain, can we sit down and discuss our bond?" He keeps it surface level so she does too. Of course we know he'd like more than that but him desiring more and him actually approaching her with purpose (and not just tiptoeing around waiting for her to give him a sign) means he's being just as complacent.

AZ is the one who was raised to respect the mating bond yet he's the one who knew it was wrong to kiss Elain with Lucien in the house yet he didn't care. He's the one who is willing to burn bridges with an important ally with a female who he's never thought of beyond his sexual fantasies. He's the one who can't even admit to being completely over Mor.

The girls are so young compared to Az (Elain is 24ish and Gwyn is 28) but they are expected to behave impeccably while the 500 year old torturer gets free passes left and right. It makes no sense.

As far as your PS. I don't hate Elain at all. Sure she should have done more in the way of chores in the cabin at the start of the series but really, what has her big crime been since then? She was willing to risk her engagement for Feyre and allowed her to use their house in the human lands to meet with the queens. She's been kind to Feyre's new found family. She didn't blame Feyre for the fact that she was made. She helped Feyre by designing and maintaining her garden. She apologized in front of everyone for failing Feyre. She didn't blame Nesta for her fathers death. She wants to spend time with Feyre AND Nesta. Yes, she was disappointed to find Nesta wasn't getting better but only because Cassian told her he thought the training was helping. And no, she didn't understand what Nesta needed in order to heal but that's because Nesta refused to open up and pushed Elain away. It was easy for Nesta to sit beside Elain's bedside because all she had to do was read her book. Did Nesta EVER ask Elain for something which Elain refused to do? Did Nesta invite her out to the bar with her? Elain did reach out and Nesta, knowing it would hurt Elain and knowing that Elain was also struggling after the war and the death of their father told her to leave her alone.

I'm not going to blame Elain who is also dealing with trauma to not have the answers for Nesta's problems. It's not her job and she did make it known that she wanted to spend time with Nesta. Nesta rejected her offers and only showed up to get rent money for Feyre.

Really, it's funny to me how much hate the females of the series get. They are flawed but so are the males. They are not MORE flawed and actually, for how young they are and how recent (and major) their traumas are, I'd say they don't deserve the hatred coming their way.

[ghost-bison]

Well I'm actually pretty impressed that you took the time to read everything, thank you! <3

Sorry, my bad, I misunderstood you! :) I just didn't want you to think I was one of those people who hate on the female character because their poor little meow meow, who (surprise!) happens to be a male presenting white dude, can obviously do no wrong lmao. Like, I love Ten dearly, but he was a selfish bitch with how he treated Martha and I think this is a good part of why I love Donna so much: cause she put him in his place, kept him grounded, called him out on his bs while still showing him the compassion he needed without babyfying him. I personally, even though I ship them, am glad they didn't end up together, but whether or not their relationship was more than besties is I think up for interpretation (I mean, Tennant himself seems to ship them so it's not that far-fetched).

But, I feel like a lot of Donna lovers or TenDonna shippers seem to forget that although Donna was so good for him, it doesn't mean it was her job to fix him to begin with. I think that's what a lot of fans hold against Martha: that she wasn't what he needed. But bro, let's be real: a good-looking, nice, charismatic alien shows up in his cool spaceship that also travels in time, and asks you to come with him.... are you gonna say no? Like, fr? Martha didn't know about everything he'd just been through, he kept it all to himself. And then made her feel guilty because she didn't understand everything like Rose did. Martha literally had to sit down and force the story of the Time War out of him. Like, personally, I would like to know if I was traveling with a mass-murderer, even if he had all the good reasons. It's totally NORMAL. Rose didn't have to force it out of him, Nine just came to the conclusion that he needed to tell her if she was going to travel with him. And he was FRESH OUT OF THE TIME WAR. Ten didn't try to hide it from Donna, either. In their first episode he admitted to the Empress of the Racnoss who he was, knowing that it would lead to certain revelations, and then he apparently told Donna about Gallifrey in between Partners in Crime and Fires of Pompeii because at the end of Pompeii Donna seemed to know about it. So that means he literally told her off-screen.

So yeah, I don't get why it's so hard for people to acknowledge that their fave character can sometimes be a fkn arse, because it's not hard for me!

"And truly her strength in confronting him with his selfishness changed him so much for the better." Yes! People give Donna all the credit and yes of course she's a queen and helped him a lot but Martha put a dent in his arseholery and paved the way for him to change and it's just as important!

"Ten was definitely an idiot for sticking her with his clone, but it was probably from a place of self-loathing. He feels so guilty for not being human, for letting her down by virtue of who and what he is." OMG THIS. This is smartly put cause it doesn't excuse what he does but explains perfectly WHY he does it. Well done. That's why he never says I love you. He's afraid of making it real for everyone, including himself. That's probably why he refused to tell Martha about the Time War, because Rose had just shown him he could be loved and he was afraid Martha would stop loving him if she knew, and that she would leave him. I don't think he ever planned on taking Martha home after one trip, he kept delaying it, cause he appreciated her company deeply but was also deeply affected by Rose's disappearance. This show honestly. Wtf.

About what you said, that you wouldn't be as much of a hater if it wasn't for the truthers, bro, that's what fandom life is all about unfortunately. I've talked to people who have stopped watching shows because the fans were being immature. Some people think it's a competition, that you can't possibly love Donna AND Martha AND Rose. Some fans FORCE their ships, which sometimes aren't even CANON, onto others, in the rudest ways imaginable, and I'm like, get a life? It's meant to be fun? What would we get to talk about if we all agreed on everything? Nothing, it'd be so boring. Does me not particularly liking tenrose mean my personal preferences are threatened? I don't think so. But if you start sh*tting on a character for no good reason (and writing cringe fics about it where Rose for example is totally out of character just to put your ship on a pedestal), then it just shows you're insecure about your own tastes and, on top of everything, ruining other people's day (read: just because I love tendonna doesn't mean I wanna see Rose get turned into an immature imp in fics about them, it's that simple). -> I'm not talking about you btw, you've been totally respectful and given good, valid arguments, I'm just explaining why some fans can indeed be a problem. Like look at us, we're having a nice, respectful conversation, sharing opinions that aren't necessarily positive, but that doesn't mean we had to sh*t on anyone to make our opinions live. THIS is the kind of thing I want to see in the anti-[ship/character] tags. Not stupid arguments about who's better because "I said so", you know?

Thanks for reading my previous one. It was so long and all over the place lmao. Your opinions are well put and interesting to read, it feels good <3

Hey random sorry but I love your account

THANK U SO MUCH!!!! I was looking at the tags u left on my Death and The Queen essay the other day and I was like !💖!

mad respect for the nine/rose content btw, they really were phenomenal. I try to be the change I want to see (read: shamelessly stanning tendonna) but I adored the relationship between rose and nine.

[abidall15]

GOD, this is why I have such a hard time shipping Romione. I LOVE the characters together, I think their story is beautiful, but the shippers are so mean and nasty and elitist. I hate this negativity, it's so toxic and THAT'S what puts a bad fkn taste in my mouth.

IT'S AN INTERESTING STORY. Have you ever read a good Dramione story? The whole point is Draco CHANGES. He becomes a BETTER PERSON, because of Hermione, and they grow together and challenge each other in ways that, frankly, Ron can't completely offer Hermione. He isn't ambitous in the same way she is.

Don't get me wrong, I still prefer Ron personally, because of the whole idea that opposites attract (where Hermione is driven, Ron is grounded, where Hermione is lost in possibilities, Ron is planted in the present), but I'm not gonna sit on some high horse and say that people who see it differently are whiny assholes.

And god, yeah there are some bad stories out there that decide to badly characterize and even bash Ron to help move their story along, nobody's saying those are good stories. But I see Harry being bashed or made out to be especially bad in Romione stories to help boost Ron in the readers eyes and push away Harmony just as often! And Harry is an abuse survivor, a POC in many fans eyes, and the main character of the stories. By your same logic, we should be writing off Romione just as much as you do Dramione. Let's just chalk all those up to bad writers who write bad stories and not let it be a judge of the entire fandom as a whole, hm?

And how telling is it that no Dramione shippers are sticking up for themselves when you come at them so personally. OP was general, and still relatively good natured and you just went IN on her. That whole "my dog died when I was seven! My boring ass ship etc" bit is honestly sickening to me. You're the true bully here man, have some self-awareness. That's some dramatic irony right there that you're talking against Dramione, saying Draco is a classist bully and he's mean and whatever else, when you're literally bullying Dramione shippers right now.

Just stay in your freaking lane. The point that OP was trying to make was they're literally just trying to do them and yet they still get fkn bashed because people have decided they know better, and that the opinions of others are wrong and not worthy of being accepted. Stop trying to police the HP fandom, and let people DO WHAT THEY FUCKING WANT.

@istanronweasley you should probably see this too, since you agree with this person and also reblogged and commented. Also, I love that you said once that you think it's oh so funny that nobody ever tries to argue with you because 'they know they're wrong' or something, and that you wish they would so you could have a good argument about it and put them in their place. Well, this is like the third time I've called you out, and still you've never responded. Beginning to think maybe you were just trying to be a real dick, and you really don't have anything at all to argue after all 😂 come on, put me in my place 😂

Dramione shippers: Oh yeah, I love that ship. :) But if you don’t, no big deal. :) People like what they like. :) You do you. :)

Non-Dramione shippers: OH MY GOD THAT SHIP IS HORRIBLE AND IF YOU LIKE IT YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON AND I HOPE SOMEONE TREATS YOU HORRIBLY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU DESERVE.