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Why c!Wilbur blowing stuff up for shits and giggles as a child makes no sense for his character (and why that would reflect a lot more badly on c!Phil anyways if that were the case):
Warning: c!Phil critical ahead, if you don't like that, skip this post
Now, to those of you that decide to read this: Strap in folks! We've got a lot of ground to cover this from and a ton of quotes ahead!
1) Wilburâs a pacifist through and through. He always preached words over weapons, only fought when attacked first, wanted to ignore a war until it went away, considered giving up his nation many times, etc. A few examples of quotes to show this thinking:
âBasically, we have such a lower opportunity here that we probably just need to accept the conditions of surrender, just so we can save any more bloodshed, any more destruction on our land. Theyâve entrapped our land, theyâve set up bombs on our land, theyâve destroyed all our homes. To stop any more bloodshed, I feel I would be a bad general if I didnât look for conditions of surrender.â - (Wilburâs The Revolution is Coming: 30:32, 2nd Aug)
âTommy, we need you alive. Tommy, this isnât worth it. Tommy, your life is worth more than the revolution.â - (Wilburâs The Revolution is Coming: 34:57:, 2nd Aug)
âWhat has made you do everything youâve done up to this point?â (Quackity)
âThatâs a- Thatâs a big question. Um. I guess itâs just protection for my people. I mean, I- I- I just want to see them thrive, and I want to see them safe.â (Alivebur)
- (Quackityâs Killing My Enemies: 1:03:02, 12th Apr)
âLook, do you know how long and how much blood was shed to get LâManberg to the point it was at? You know what would happen if we manage to get LâManberg back again? More blood would be shed, and we would be the illegitimate rulers of a nation.â - (Wilburâs video Am I the Villain?: 18:52)
âWe donât win wars with battles and with armour. We win wars with our words, Tommy. Weâre starting a revolution, not a war.â - (Wilburâs The Wall: 4:54, 29th July)
âIâm not a fighter, Iâm a writer.â - (Wilburâs The Wall: 1:48:31, 29th July)
âFighting is not necessary right now, Tommy.â - (Wilburâs the election results: 43:42, 22nd Sep)
âTommy, control yourself. Tommy, control yourself, itâs not worth it. Tommy, do not take your shot! He disrespected me, yes! But weâve talked about this, TommyâŠ!â - (Wilburâs techno and wilbur make cave better: 59:36, 23rd Sep)
2) The reason his thoughts about blowing it all up in Pogtopia even hit as hard, the reason all his allies were so shocked about him going through with it IS his pacifism first mindset (which has only been put second when heâs been attacked first and put in the defensive or in the case of his speech to Quackity after the political debate he genuinely thought, by the previous failure of his philosophy and the war trauma spurred on mainly by the FCR and Eretâs betrayal, that the only way to truly win respect and make a change in the world was through fighting and killing, which he was convinced of but was ultimately always too soft to actually go through with (note how he doesnât kill anyone in the Lâmanburg explosion and how in the times during Pogtopia in which he declared he wanted people dead, he got second thoughts, regrets, retracted his statement or protected people with his actions):
âIf you want to really help people, youâre gonna need power, Quackity. You can make a movement, you can make a resistance, right, you can go out and you can come back, and theyâll give you a ticker tape parade. Theyâll cheer for you in the streets, but you will change nothing.â - (Quackityâs Killing My Enemies: 1:05:42, 12th Apr)
âIf you have a revolution, everyone will hate you, you will sacrifice everything, and you will lose everything youâve ever had, but youâll come back and everything will be changed.â - (Quackityâs Killing My Enemies: 1:05:59, 12th Apr)
âAnd power isnât gaining from diplomacy, and bureaucracy, and giant courthouses suspended in the sky, blah blah blah. Itâs gained from swords, Quackity. Itâs gained from blades, itâs gained from steel, iron.â - (Quackityâs Killing My Enemies: 1:06:19, 12th Apr)
âWe blow up the entire fucking place to kingdom come. I want no survivors. God help whoeverâs caught in the fucking crossfire.â - (Wilburâs video, Am I The Villain?: 17:52)
âAnd, I know youâre scared, Tommy, I understand youâre scared. And itâs scary, itâs scary, Tommy, but do you know what? You know what? In a time like this, when a man has nothing to lose, do you know what that means? It means we can do what we want. We have a man on our side who literally rigged our nation with TNT. We can do the same to them. We can rig this festival with TNT. We can kill them all, Tommy. â - (Wilburâs who are you go away: 1:15:52, 8th Oct)
âAnyone caught in the crossfire is caught in the crossfire. Thatâs how it goes, you know? - (Wilburâs who are you go away: 1:41:22, 8th Oct)
âChat, do I wanna- Chat, do I wanna, do I wanna do it? Iâm having second thoughts about the TNT. Chat, Iâm having second thoughts about the TNT. Do I wanna kill these people? Seeing that theyâre my friends.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 34:09, 16th Oct)
âTommy, Iâm getting second thoughts. These are my friends, I donât- Do I- I donât know if I wanna [inaudible].â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 36:17, 16th Oct)
âJust, if youâre gonna kill anyone else, kill me. Donât kill anyone else here.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 1:10:53, 16th Oct)
âYou sounded like you were gonna murder another person. You sounded like you were gonna go for Niki.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 1:12:34, 16th Oct)
âOh, yes, sorry, Niki, you missed that part. I was gonna blow up Manberg, I was gonna completely destroy it in a huge fireball. Look, Niki, come to Pogtopia, youâre safer here. Youâre not gonna be hurt by anyone.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 1:17:59, 16th Oct)
âNo you two can escape, Iâll be the⊠Iâll- Iâll- Iâll be⊠Iâll be trapped in hereâŠâ - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 27:27, 17th Oct)
âI donât, I donât, I donât want to kill you two. I donât want you two to die.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 28:53, 17th Oct)
3) He was inspired by Dream blowing up Lâmanburg first with Eretâs betrayal during the first revolution. He knew Dream wanted Lâmanburg out of the picture and had tried it before. Itâs why he knew to immediately ask him for TNT, because either way, Dream would benefit from both sideâs mutually assured destruction:
âHereâs the plan, right, Dream. Dream is on our side, Dream has TNT, Dream has everything, right. I say we talk to Dream, and we ask him very nicely, very kindly, âDream, give us all the TNT you haveâ. â - (Wilburâs who are you go away: 1:12:22, 8th Oct)
âRemember, how he rigged LâManberg, like ages ago, during the War? And then he detonated the TNT and destroyed the entire thing? We do that again, everyone, we blow up the entire fucking place to kingdom come.â - (Wilburâs who are you go away: 1:12:36, 8th Oct)
âThe only reason that Dream is working with us, is because of the fact that we are the enemies of his enemies! Thatâs it! Thatâs all that joins this!â - (Wilburâs who are you go away: 1:14:35, 8th Oct)
âDream, let me be your vassal. Dream, I understand you have a lot of TNT, a lot of the olâ trinitrotoluene in your possession, donât you? You do! Dream, I want to be your vassal, I want to set this up, I want to rig the city.â - (Wilburâs who are you go away: 1:33:27, 8th Oct)
4) Wilbur hesitated a LOT with the detonation, wanted to be stopped, told people his plan in detail and was overall in a deep internal conflict about the whole thing (and didnât blow it up once to not kill Tommy and Quackity too, this is also the moment in which his suicidal tendencies are the most clear in his lines before the 16th). Ultimately he decided to do it because he was suicidal and deeply suffering from mental health issues, believed himself to be the root of all bad in the server and by extension, Lâmanburg was too, and by that point his original view for Lâmanburg had been so twisted by Schlatt anyway that in his POV itâd only be used to hurt more people anyway:
âI- Look, rigging LâManberg is not gonna help us get it back, Iâm aware of that. But sometimes in order to feel comfortable and safe you have to be ready to give up the things that youâre worried you might lose. And in this case, I think I might lose it already.â - (Wilburâs who are you go away: 1:17:57, 8th Oct)
âI know thereâs a lot of people, Tommy! ⊠Iâm not telling you where the button is, man. ⊠Tommy, itâs over that hill, itâs over that hill, right there!â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 28:30, 16th Oct)
âChat, do I wanna- Chat, do I wanna, do I wanna do it? Iâm having second thoughts about the TNT. Chat, Iâm having second thoughts about the TNT. Do I wanna kill these people? Seeing that theyâre my friends.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 34:09, 16th Oct)
âTommy, Iâm getting second thoughts. These are my friends, I donât- Do I- I donât know if I wanna [inaudible].â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 36:17, 16th Oct)
âBut this is the opportunity- this is the opportunity. If I donât blow it up now, when am I gonna blow it up?! When am I gonna blow it up, Tommy? But when do- when do we do-â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 36:30, 16th Oct)
âIf I donât do it now, what happens if this is the only chance I get. Everyoneâs in this close situation, I can do some proper damage. Look, this isnât a- He needs a consequence for his actions, Schlatt does, he canât just keep being handsome and powerful and strong all the time. He needs, he needs to be put down a peg.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 37:07, 16th Oct)
âI can still call off this whole detonating at the end of the speech, dude. I can call it off.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 38:24, 16th Oct)
âShould I show you where the TNTâs laced? âCause in a, in a last ditch effort, we may need to destroy it by hand, okay? So, under the chair, where Schlatt sits, thereâs about twenty pieces, right? And then going under, under the main area here, following this red line, there is TNT all the way, and then it jut- and then it- ⊠It darts up here, and over to the dance floor, but it doesnât touch the water.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 38:29, 16th Oct)
âI have to light it, Iâve got to light it, Iâve got to light it.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 1:08:17, 16th Oct)
âYesterday I had the perfect opportunity to blow everything up and finally end it, you know. I had the perfect opportunity to finally blow up everything and end it and just completely save everyone, right, from the tyranny of Schlatt and the tyranny of the existence of Manberg and LâManberg, right.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 25:17, 17th Oct)
âExplain it to me! Give me a reason! Give me a reason!â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 26:50, 17th Oct)
âWho else is it gonna hurt?! Itâs gonna hurt Schlatt, Manberg, and-â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 26:55, 17th Oct)
âWhy did I bring- I should have just done it. Iâm such a fucking showman. I should have just done it.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 27:18, 17th Oct)
âNo you two can escape, Iâll be the⊠Iâll- Iâll- Iâll be⊠Iâll be trapped in hereâŠâ - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 27:27, 17th Oct)
âI just- I just want to f⊠I just wanna end it, I wanna end it. I wanna press that button, man.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 28:08, 17th Oct)
âI donât, I donât, I donât want to kill you two. I donât want you two to die.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 28:53, 17th Oct)
âOhh, fuck you! Fuck you, man! Why do you make it so hard?! I should have just- Iâm such a fucking showman.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 29:29, 17th Oct)
âTommy, weâve tried my ideas. Iâm willing to listen to you. Iâm gonna follow you, Tommy. Whatever you think is gonna be the best way of taking down Schlatt, weâll do it. Weâve tried my ideas.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 32:01, 17th Oct)
âMy LâManberg. My LâManberg. As long- As long as I know the button is here⊠as long as I know. As long as I know the button is here. Itâs just not today. I just need to know that itâs there for a fall-back. I need to know itâs there.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 33:46, 17th Oct)
âIâve been hasty. But the fact that I know itâs there, and I can just stroke my right mouse button, thatâs all I need. As long as I know itâs there.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 34:27, 17th Oct)
âYouâve convinced me, I donât wanna go straight to Plan B, if Plan A fails.â - (Wilburâs Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 39:02, 17th Oct)
âLook, Tommy, at the end of the day, if this doesnât go well, Iâm gonna blow the place to smithereens. The place will be gone, Iâm gonna detonate it and blow it to smithereens, right, if this doesnât go well. But it will go wellâŠ! ⊠âCause itâs literally- thereâs no one on Schlattâs side.â - (Wilburâs smithereens: 21:00, 16th Nov)
âBut none of them have the same anticipatory love of what theyâre doing, unlike us. Everyone on our side is fighting for something weâve loved, and had for ages, right. Thatâs why weâre gonna win, and thatâs why you shouldnât be afraid. And yes, the whole place is rigged.â - (Wilburâs smithereens: 21:38, 16th Nov)
âI could, I really could, thatâs the thing. Thatâs the bit that I like. Itâs the bit that makes me smile the most is the fact that I definitely could.â - (Wilburâs smithereens: 26:28, 16th Nov)
âChekhovâs Gun. Chekhovâs Gun. Iâll be honest with you, chat, Iâve been wondering this whole time if it still works. Iâve been thinking to myself does it still- âCause I fixed it up for today.â - (Wilburâs smithereens: 1:11:36, 16th Nov)
âPhil, Iâm always so close to pressing this button, Phil! I have been here, like seven or eight times I have been here⊠Seven or eight timesâ - (Wilburâs smithereens: 1:14:56, 16th Nov)
âPhil, Iâve been here here so many times.â - (Wilburâs smithereens: 1:15:13, 16th Nov)
âI donât even know if it works anymore, Phil. I donât even know if the button works. I could, I could⊠press it, and it might-â (Wilburâs smithereens: 1:15:29, 16th Nov)
5) The one time anything about Wilbur using TNT while young (and here the age isn't as clearly implied as in Phil's thing, this could very well be more of teen Wilbur than kid Wilbur) is mentioned in the actual text is this one maybe-canon-maybe-not-so-canon-anymore line:
âTommy, have you heard of TNT duplication? The flying machines that dup TNT? Phil taught me about them. He taught me about them- Iâm sure he wouldnât have taught me them if he knew what I was gonna do with them. But, he did teach me about them. ⊠They were very useful, in this.â - (Wilburâs The Festival: 11:30, 16th Oct)
Now letâs pretend that headcanon makes any sense and that yeah, Wilbur totally just enjoyed building shit to detonate and said tendency encouraged in childhood just up and carried into adulthood and manifested as him internally going âI must blow up this thing I made because thatâs what I doâ and letâs pretend that he didnât have a big ass internal conflict about it.
Ok, so Phil said that Wilbur blew stuff up when little, so heâd have connected it to the button room. Now think for a moment: How does that reflect on Phil as a parent? Letâs forget about everything else for this one moment (and believe me, Iâve got no shortage of stuff to critique c!Phil on in regards to his relation with c!Wilbur) and just focus on this one action. A man freely lets his son use TNT to blow up some random stuff presumably made out of toys. Just a little kid playing with TNT, yup, thatâs his boy. And it was to such a degree that the same man just went âOh yeah! Itâs totally the blowing shit up thing!â in a fraction of a second after seeing the button⊠And then yeah, saw all of the hesitation, the breakdown, the struggle, the wishes to die and impaled him with a sword, but we can go deeper into those aspects in another post
Then Phil tried to make it better by saying to chat that all kids just break stuff apart, more implying that little Wilbur wasnât actually using explosives which⊠makes the whole thing even dumber, ngl, because at that point c!Phil is just saying âOh yeah, he knocked over his lego houses when he was four, so when I saw that button I immediately went âOh, of course! He rigged the place! What an obvious connection!ââ. You see what Iâm getting at?
TLDR: It doesnât fit with canon and even if we shove it in with its implications, then c!Phil is just an idiot, whether it be from letting his kid freely play with TNT to such a degree that he deduces where his most drastic measure resulting from trauma and breakdowns is going just by seeing the button OR whether it be from him connecting dots where there are none if he tries to save his skin as a father and just say âOh yeah, no, who didnât knock over stuff as a kid, what do you mean?â not realizing that⊠exactly⊠who didnâtâŠ. so it wouldnât connect with the button room at all
#dsmp#dream smp#c!phil critical#c!phil negativity#c!wilbur#c!wilbur analysis#wilbur dsmp#wilbur#wilbur soot#pogtopia#l'manburg#Can you sense my saltiness? I hope you can#Did Phil play with explosives as a kid too or was Doomsday just his way of feeling young?#Was he just feeling young and quirky so he decided to go destroy some livelihoods with the bestie?#c!Phil (derogatory)#man wait until I make yet another c!Phil is a bad father and was horrible to everything left of Wil's legacy post#I'm about to destroy a rp old man /hj#I hope you can see how this makes zero sense too#like from so many angles#and the retracting that didn't go all the way is just ???#And this all trickles in from the Dreaded Letters Retcon Stream (derogatory)#Like really if it weren't for those retcons back then this wouldn't have happened#Because then Phil wouldn't need some complicated backstory reason for knowing what the button did#If he had gotten at least SOME info about stuff going awry from Wilbur's letters#And hoooo boy do I have some words to say about the letters stream#Which I have said in posts but I might just remake some#tw suicide#tw suicide mention#tw suicide ideation
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the fact that you still remember that idea, about my Horseman stuff and Emmett being her steed. I get your feeling now, when I said I remember horse!Emmett. Thanks so much, dear. Silly little thing but it honestly means a lot (for a person who has a really bad memory). ah, so I see you're reusing the ideas. That's great! I like that idea, cuz he can always have something to protect himself with (and doesn't destroy his back by carrying that heavy shield xD).
haha, yeah! that's true. I managed to get my old blog back tho, but of course, changed the name Cx. I don't use it now cuz I made yet another blog! even after all those years, I still like to change accounts/names. I appreciate that you wanted to give me the name, truly <3
Oh my god, all of them? That's... that's so awesome. Makes me truly happy ; w ; just like the fact you still remember me <3
ah yes! it did use to be one word and you had something like 'teahouse' in it? (seriously someone did that sort of joke? effing rude). Ngl I tried to find your blog by putting that name first, but eh, I kinda forgot how it went xD. So I changed the approach and, ta-dam! I'm here!
Oh my good, Oreana! Delete these, right now! I've changed, I swear! I can make new ones! Better ones! /hj Seriously tho, it means so so so much for me, that you still kept them (even when they are so awful /hj). It really was fun to make those for you, just like it was fun to see you enjoying them <3
Not so sure about the rp (bad memory, yeah), but I agree, it was so damn long ago! Glad to hear you consider these good memories! ; w ; It's wonderful to catch up with you too! But I'm kinda not done, cuz we spoke about Overlord too! keke So, getting back to it: I know what you mean cuz I also got into anime first xD. Then, I picked the LNs and holy eff. I absolutely love the idea of the overpowered bad guy (well, Ainz is not exactly fully bad cuz he only cares about his 'children' from Nazarick but, you know what I mean xd). I picked my LN cuz I don't remember how things went with Demiurge(being Demiurge) and oh boy, he did firstly offer to kill her to prevent the information from getting outside XD. He did propose for her to work on his farm tho! (ngl lie when you said you thought Demiurge and Sebas would fight over what Tuare would do for Nazarick... I thought of some unexpected, sick threesome XD) Also, uhh, according to what he said later, I guess he wanted for her to cook food for the residents of the happy farm. You know, food made of other residents. (#justdemiurgethings). I wonder if that would be a true torture for Tuare. After all, she doesn't care much about humans right now. XD But yep, Overlord is so dark, it's such a nice change from all of those isekai-ed good dudes. Especially overpowered isekai-ed good dudes. I agree tho, out of context Overlord is the best (mm, ah yes, that plan? THAT plan? Yes, you're so smart Demiurge, so then I'll allow you to describe MY plan to everyone)
I been writing a bit more since these years ago. Even started a writing blog for Resident Evil (mop man Carlos <3). Not active for 2 years now, basically disappeared with small info xD. Nah, such writing isn't really for me. Still writing tho, but only rps. So hey, it's amazing to see you're still writing! <3
Read your post and, you got this, dear! don't let your mental state beat your ass. beat the mental state's ass! slaay! and feel better soon <3 take as much time as you need and focus on getting better!
Love youuuuuuuu! Thanks so much for your sweet words and all ; w ; (but delete these edits /still hj). Sorry for worrying you tho! But yep, I'm fine! And I'm so so glad you're fine too! - Pandemonium
(it's morning currently and I'm laughing to myself at how fast you accidentally exposed me XD)
XâD You'd be shocked at things I can and can't remember, truly. There are even a few passing anons in my life that I never got to meet out of anon, but I still treasured their continued interaction with me. Haha, I am glad you like the thought! I really wanted to reuse it somewhere, and Cheshire fit the bill being a tank like how Emmett was in that story idea. â„
Of course, I do! I am happy you're still around! That brings me such relief.
LOL!! I cannot say I don't understand you, hon. All those old pieces of Emmett I gifted you? Oof, I could do WAY better now. I swear it! â„
I will say that Overlord makes you want to cheer for the villains because so many of the good guys are so dang horrible. XâD But well, the villains have awesome designs and on top of that, are far more interesting?? I just love so much about how they feel. I dunno if you read fully about Renner and why Climb kind of kept her going, but she had debated just ending her self, because she was an intelligent young girl growing up around a bunch of idiots. I felt SO insanely bad for her. X'D;
You make an awesome pointâmakes me curious if she would care or not given how poorly she was treated. But she's a pure soul, and Tuare would be upset if innocents were harmed no doubt! HAH! A sick threeway. Oh man! XDD If Demiurge and Sebas ever had to share a woman, it would be funny.
I gotta admit: I love dark storytelling. Twisted characters make it all the more fascinating. â„ It's why I'm so mad Demiurge is the one mainly putting everything into motion, but he gets like...no spotlight. XâD I'm so dang upset! Oof, Demiurge's over analyzing ass gets me every time! â„â„
Oh man! That's awesome! I know the RP part. x'D I opened a Demiurge RP account on Twitter, and it's been fun when...I get on there to interact with folks. My biggest crushes in RE world are Leon and Claire. I'm so dreadful! LOL But the series holds such nostalgia for me. â„â„ I love those games! RE 1 remake still holds up to this day. Love that game to pieces...even if I never beat it... C'x
Mawwr, thank you so much! ;^; Love you too!! Take care of yourself!
Hehehe, I can easily see through peeps. >3 â„ (I'm kidding though, really. Some people just have that sort of soul I can sense through anon, and I'm glad for it!) â„â„
#though having those vivid ignis/ demi/ me dreams?#yeah that felt what demi/sebas/woman would be like#where one is groaning at their lady has to spend time with the other LOL#mod answers#anon#anon: P#anon: pandemonium
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