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classic-rock-roller · 6 years ago

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1. Your band is on tour in Italy and on some off time you’re taking a guided tour of St. Mark’s Square (Piazza San Marco). It’s March, so it’s a bit chilly. Bonham’s wearing an insulated flannel over her shirt and has it unbuttoned. It’s getting windy, so it’s getting colder, and at one point you see Erik pull one of Bonham’s arms out of her sleeves, wedge himself into the shirt next to her, and put his arm into the sleeve. Bonham gives him a silent look of ‘what the fuck?’ and he explains by saying “It’s cold.” How do you, Bonham, and the band respond?

Me: You should have brought your own jacket.

Bonham: Get out of my jacket.

Daryl: Don’t stay like that for long. The Media will have a field day.

Linus is trying to find gelato and has left the group.

2. While in Italy, most of the band is experiencing extreme jet lag seeing as once you landed and went through customs, you hit the ground running with activities. You’re on a boat traveling to a venue on a small island, and you’re awake talking to Bonham. You reach up to adjust your jacket on your shoulder, and Linus’ head tips slowly onto your hand (he’s asleep) as the boat rocks. How do you and Bonham react, and do you try to move your hand?

We both look at each other and I mouth ‘What do I do?’ She just shrugs. So I let my hand go numb so that he can get some sleep.

3. Your band is on the bus in Italy heading to the airport late at night, and you and Bonham are awake, Linus and Daryl are asleep, and Erik’s drifting off. He rests his head on her shoulder, and you watch as you two are talking that his head slides slowly down to her chest. She picks up his head with her hand gently and lays it back on her shoulder, and he purposely puts his head back on her chest. “Don’t move me, your boobs are comfy.” he says. How do you two respond?

Me: Erik I know you’re tired but that’s a little too invasive.

Bonham: You have exactly two seconds to move your head.

4. You and Kevin ripped the carpet out of your house and replaced it with hardwood. You and Kevin love it, and so do Bonham and Randy. It takes some getting used to, and everyone slips a couple times (without falling), except Bonham. Every time she slips she falls, and every time she falls Kevin laughs. She falls again one day, and she immediately shouts, “I am the only one who’s fallen on this God damn floor!” How do you and the boys respond?

Me: Are you ok? At least you didn’t fall down the hardwood steps. I’ve done that about five times.

Kevin: Christ how can you be so clumsy?

Randy: You both are really clumsy.

5. You and Bonham are debating taking a plane somewhere to do some press, and Bonham is having a problem. “I hate air travel, it’s not the same as it used to be.” Kevin comes into the room just then and says, “I know right it really isn’t. We used to wear suits, dammit!” Bonham just kinda sighs. How do you respond?

“Kevin, you’re not helping. Go write lyrics or something.”

6. You and Bonham and the boys bring your sister and Chuck to dinner one day to a fancier type of restaurant. There’s an old 40′s jazz song playing when you get there and your sister muses, “Who’s this?” Chuck says, “This is Ozzy.” Bonham just looks at him, half angry and half disappointed, and says, “This is Frank Sinatra.” How do you, your sister, and the boys respond?

I’d roll my eyes.

Sister: Even I know this is Frank Sinatra. Christ.

Kevin: This sounds nothing like Ozzy.

Randy: You need to brush up on your music history.

7. You and Bonham are sitting in on QR’s studio sessions for Metal Health and she’s not thrilled that Kevin’s so enthused to record a cover of a Slade song. “You have to develop a reputation on your own merit, you can’t try to debut yourselves doing stuff other people came up with.” Kevin doesn’t listen to her, and after their second take of it he asks you what you think. Bonham fake coughs and says, “Hack. Hack and the Hack Tones.” How do you think they did and how do Kevin, Rudy, Carlos and Frankie respond to her comment?

Me: It was pretty good.

Kevin: Bonham stop that.

Rudy: She kind of does have a point tho.

Carlos: Hopefully it doesn’t get too huge.

Frankie’s fiddling with his drum kit and didn’t hear.

8. Kevin comes home with a case of Coke one day and he pulls out two. “Bonham I dare you to chug this in 30 seconds or less.” She agrees, but as it’s a soda (and it’s cold), she struggles a bit. Her eyes tear up after about ten seconds, and when she finishes, she has a long burp before saying, “Polar bears shouldn’t give this to their babies.” How do you and Kevin respond?

Kevin: I didn’t think you’d do it.

Me: Well, now you owe her 50 bucks. Pay up.

9. Bonham’s loading some stuff into the car so you and the boys can take it to goodwill, and on the last trip she puts her soda in her back pocket so she doesn’t have to make a wasteful trip. Randy spies it and says, “What are you doing?” She shakes her hips a little and says, “I got a beverage in my butt! Take a sip, pretty boy!” How does he react and what do you and Kevin say?

Randy blushes a bit and Kevin bursts out laughing. I don’t know how to react so I just keep placing things in the car.

10. Kevin’s been wearing through his sheets lately, and one day when Bonham’s over he says, “I’m sick of this, I have a big ass hole in my bed!” Bonham giggles a little before saying, “You have an asshole in your bed?” How do you and Kevin respond?

Kevin: Real mature Bons.

Me: You walked into that one, Kev.

11. You and Bonham were babysitting your little cousins all day, so you’ve had to watch your language. When Randy and Kevin come to pick you both up, they ask how it went, and the first thing out of her mouth is, “Can I fucking swear now?” How do the three of you respond?

Me: Yes you can.

Randy: I take it, it didn’t go well.

Me: No, it went ok. They’re just handfuls.

Kevin: I’m glad I didn’t draw the short straw this time. Last time I babysat them with you they dyed my hair pink.

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1) You and Kevin take your singer to the hospital after her friend Brit broke her ankle. She’s snapping at Kevin the entire time but when the doctor comes in she’s super nice to her. Kevin scoffs and goes, “So you’re nice to the Doctor?” Your singer whips around and goes, “She. Has. The Drugs.” How do you and Kevin respond?

2) You and Kevin are sitting on the couch when your singer comes home from her day camp job. She drops her bag on the couch and you notice her arm wrapped in a bandage. You ask her what she did and she goes, “Oh that? A kid bit me today at work hard enough to leave teeth marks and draw blood. So I just bandaged it so I wouldn’t bleed everywhere.” How do you and Kevin respond?

3) You go out to dinner with your singer, Randy, and Kevin for your birthday. Your singer gives you a huge box and when you open it, you go, “It’s a globe.” Your singer says, “Yes because you deserve the world.” How do you, Randy, and Kevin respond?

4) Daryl has been bugging your singer after he found out that she dated a girl before she met Kevin. He keeps asking her how and why and one day while you, Kevin, and Randy are in the studio with her and Daryl she whirls around on him and says, “Do you want my honesty? I can fuck a guy and not care I can fuck a girl and not care it doesn’t really matter to me.” How do you, Daryl, Kevin, and Randy respond?

5) Your singer is eating caramel out of a small cup and since she doesn’t have a spoon, she’s licking it out of the cup. Kevin walks by and says, “Enjoying yourself there?” Your singer stops and gives him a smirk before saying, “Yup, I’m practicing my tongue action.” How do you, Kevin, and Randy respond?

6) Brit is still on tour with you and one day she’s helping set up and your singer is directing how you want the stage set up. Brit screams across it, “Shut up!” Your singer stops and shouts back, “How exactly are you going to make me shut up?” “Not how you want me to.” How do you, Kevin, and Randy respond?

7) Your singer gets really drunk one night and while your and Kevin are helping her to bed, she mumbles, “I don’t feel so good.” and before you know it, she’s puked in the hallway all over Kevin’s shoes. How do you and Kevin react and what do you do?

8) Kevin is sitting at the kitchen table and is grumbling over his morning coffee. Your singer comes out all chipper and goes to him, “Good morning! Sleep well?” He grumbles again and she asks, “Who pissed in your cheerios?” How does Kevin respond and what do you and Randy say?

9) You and your singer have been in a bit of a slump lately. You’re just trying to form your band. To make some money, your singer gets you a job at her restaurant serving tables. She’s told you that you have to hold your tongue most of the time. While there the first day, you notice an older man constantly trying to touch her, and while she’s uncomfortable, she doesn’t stop him. You ask her why and she says, “If I told him to stop, I wouldn’t get tipped and then we wouldn’t make money.” When she goes back over to the table, he does it again. What do you do?

10) You, Kevin, and your singer are sitting on the couch watching a movie when all of a sudden your singer goes, “Oh god,” and runs to the bathroom. The both of you can hear her getting sick. When she comes back out, you ask her what’s wrong and she goes, “Oh when I get really anxious I get nauseous and feel like I have to throw up but that’s the first time I have.” How do you and Kevin respond?

11) Your singer wants to take you, Kevin, and Randy to the beach she went to as a kid. While there, your walking along the street when someone comes out of the bar and goes, “You’re from Quiet Riot and War Angel right?” Your singer looks at him and goes, “Who’s asking?” “I own the bar over there and my act for the night just quit. Could you maybe fill in?” How do the four of your respond and what happens at this gig?

@osbournebemydaddy your move Bons

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electroma89 · 7 years ago

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Well this one is for the 80s songs questions. And yes, you gotta answer all of them. You're welcome :3€

OMG YOU FSDSFDS

billie jean: what do you notice more in a song - the drums or bassline?

that depends, there are songs like “Under Pressure” and “Another One Bites the Dust” where you can’t help but notice the bassline, but I notice the drums mostly (Tame Impala songs are great for that btw).

sweet dreams (are made of this): what’s the best dream you’ve had?

sometimes i dream i’m somehow famous and i can hang out with the current celebrity i’m obsessed with 😂

africa: favourite 80s music video?

oh boy, “Bark at The Moon” and “I Wanna Rock” are tied imo

every breath you take: who’s the first person your mind goes to when you hear a love song?

to my boyfriend, that nerd…

should i stay or should i go: how many languages do you speak?

fluently: 2, now if you lower your expectations: I’d say 3.5

uptown girl: what’s your favourite book trope?

very contrasting couples, like shy/popular, jock/punk or rebel, things like that, i love the process when they discover the things they got in common

don’t stop believin’: what’s the longest journey you’ve been on?

ten hours by plane to veracruz, mexico

i wanna dance with somebody (who loves me): who was the last person you danced with?

I usually dance in group, with idk… 4 or 5 people at the same time, it was probably my family tho

maneater: where did you spend your last friday night?

at home, binge watching “La Casa de Papel” (serie de netflix fam, hazte un favor y vela)

jessie’s girl: what would you do if you found out your best friend was seeing your ex?

depends a lot of the breakup’s circunstances: if it’s a mutual thing, then go on and be happy, but if he did something like cheating or harm me in any way I’d be pretty hurt tbh

born in the u.s.a.: what’s your home town like?

pretty busy, lots of buildings, beautiful downtown, pretty good subway (as in clean, decorated, etc.)

wake me up before you go-go: how did your last date go?

not so good actually xD we were suppossed to have lunch and then go to the “Hindustan Palace”, we went to Burger King but the only free table was near the bathroom xDD and then we went to the palace and it was closed, and no info poster, no guard, no explanation, nothing, so we had to go home

girls just want to have fun: relationship with your parents?

pretty good, i’m gonna go to Ozzy’s concert with my mom bc we both like it, and with grandpa (father figure) I can talk about almost anything

beat it: opinions on the police force?

fuck the police, murderers and corrupts, your uncle is a cop? fuck him too

never gonna give you up: how old were you when you joined the internet?

12 or 13

faith: when was your first kiss?

13 y/o, summer of 2003

i’m so excited: where was your first kiss?

at the beach yo

take on me: could you reach the high note?

the high note on “take on me” i guess? yeah, most of the time, but now i’m practicing to reach lower notes so i don’t know if i could now 😅

footloose: favourite musical?

Hair, The Wizard of Oz

9 to 5: do you like country music?

nah, I like Bob Dylan but to some extent

back in black: what makes a good rock song?

uuuh good question, my favorite rocks songs have lots of harmonies, heavy guitars, faeries and dragons

material girl: are you sentimental?

I think so, I don’t cry often tho

walk this way: what was the most expensive thing you bought in the last six months?

my shoulderless? shirt, the one i posted on insta, fam

you shook me all night long: are you seeing anyone at the moment?

for the past 5 years, yeah

thriller: favourite film genre and why?

fantasy, it’s nice to see things you can’t see in real life

i want candy: chocolate or sweets?

chocolate, i prefer salty treats tho

ghostbusters: how far do you believe in the paranormal?

I think there are more

the power of love: does true love exist?

yes, platonic and romantic existencial planes or dimensions and think like that, but I don’t think they have control over us and can haunt us and stuff

hungry like the wolf: what’s your crush’s favourite music genre?

classical music, that big nerd omg

walk like an egyptian: favourite song currently in the charts?

omfg I don’t even know what’s in the charts rn, I suppose Karate by Babymetal (I think it’s still in the charts)

(i’ve had) the time of my life: if you could relive any ten minutes of your life, what would you relive?

Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen + Adam Lambert’s concert, 2015

just can’t get enough: what’s your guilty pleasure?

none, if it makes me feel guilty then it’s not a pleasure

i’m gonna be (500 miles): how far apart do you and your best friend live?

ten minutes cartrip, that’s pretty con-fucking-venient

you spin me round (like a record): favourite modern cover of an older song?

I only know about the new Devilman song lmao

we built this city: if you were president, what would your first ruling be?

LEY DE IDENTIDAD DE GÉNERO AHORA YA

how will i know: do you believe everyone is deserving of love?

children, absolutely

nothing’s gonna stop us now: what’s been the biggest hurdle you’ve faced in your life so far?

when my house in mexico flooded with hurricane Karl in 2010

come on eileen: have you ever written a song? if so, what was the genre?

no, only poems

living on a prayer: which was the song of your childhood?

Moonlight Densetsu (in latin spanish ofc)

sweet child o’ mine: describe your perfect first date.

anything we enjoy together, and lots of food

don’t you (forget about me): is there anyone from your past that you regret cutting ties with?

actually no, i feel sad for the people who cut ties with me without give me any reasons tho, but when i cut ties with someone it’s bc they mistreated me in any way

eye of the tiger: favourite 80s movie?

Back to the Future trilogy!!!

under pressure: give an example of a world event that occurred the year you were born.

this bitch went down

with or without you: what would you value most: a relationship or a job?

rn i need money lol, but relationship and people are more important

another one bites the dust: where did you achieve your biggest accomplishment?

mexico, i got my degree in architecture

pour some sugar on me: turn ons?

oh boy: long hair, strokes in my thights, light kisses

in the air tonight: do you enjoy flying?

yup, i even enjoy turbulence lol

tainted love: thoughts on synthesisers/electronic drum kits/technology based music?

if you put your soul in create something, then it doesn’t matter what instrument you use

like a virgin: share a controversial opinion.

sexual attraction and romantic attraction are not the same and aren’t linked

karma chameleon: what do you like most about your appearance?

my eyebrows, my hair, my nose, my legs

THIS WAS LIGHT AND FUN I NEED TO FIND DARK SHIT LOL

#ask #makore-lune

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sunlitroom · 8 years ago

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@millicentcordelia said

I was glad to see this post. There’s been so much talk of Oswald not understanding what love is, or caring about another person. He made a huge sacrifice to keep Jim out of jail, and look at what it ended up costing him.

Oswald knew that Jim and Leslie were engaged, that she was expecting a baby. Oswald was never anything but nice to Leslie. He had no expectations by this point that Jim was going to return any feelings that he may have had for Jim. The most he could have been hoping for was friendship.

This also reminds me that Jim treated Oswald callously when Oswald was in Arkham and has never apologized or addressed that in any way.

@sunlitroom said

Yes - this idea that Oswald just learned that this is what love meant was silly. He took the fall for Jim with no expectation of a favour in return. It was unselfish and big-hearted.

It was why the ‘what good is love if it’s one-sided’ line was silly - because we know what good it is: it actually brought the best out of Oswald.

Even beyond romantic relationships - we see Oswald loves his parents. He was willing to dance to Galavan’s tune to get Gertrud back, and cared for his ill father. He was even desperate for his stepfamily to accept him, to the extent where he was willing to live as their servant.

When a storyline is dependent on the audience forgetting a whole load of plotpoints and characterisation - it’s a poor storyline.

@millicentcordelia - I think the scene in Jim’s hallucination has told us, at least, that it plays in his mind. He knows Oswald put himself in danger’s way for him, he knows there’s a bond there, he knows he shouldn’t have left him behind.

One thing that’s tricky about that storyline is that although it’s hideous to the viewer - because we know what Hugo’s doing - Jim doesn’t know what’s actually going on.

He’s desperate to dissociate himself from Galavan’s murder - and so he does what he tends to do, puts himself on his moral high horse to create a division between himself and villains, because he’s terrified by how blurred that line is becoming.

So he looks down on Oswald for taking an insanity plea, and tells himself that Oswald should probably be doing time for some other crimes anyway. You see him weighing Oswald’s accusations about Hugo - there’s a flicker of doubt, and he looks him over - but it’s easier for him at that point to assume that Oswald is lying. Yes - it’s lazy, and it’s cowardly, and it’s hypocritical - but I think that if he had actually known what was going on, he wouldn’t have left him there. It would have been crossing the moral event horizon for him.

@littlehollyleaf said

@sunlitroom @millicentcordelia The way I’m understanding Ozzie supposedly just learning that love is about sacrificing personal happiness etc. is that the storyline is not trying to actually claim he hasn’t already experienced real love, but that:

a) Eddie is a twat (I say lovingly :p) who was utterly wrong about Ozzie’s ability to love, so his claims are not meant to count for much (and may have been based partly on misinformation - from what he knows of Ozzie’s relationship with Gertrude, it could seem Ozzie put his own criminal aspirations above her safety/happiness, and presumably Ed has no inkling of the depth of Ozzie’s sacrifices for Jim, seeing Oz lying for Jim as part of a failed alliance as opposed to a sign of selfless love?)

b) Ozzie’s own confusion about how to love and whether he was capable of it, and the way sacrificing for Eddie seemed a lightbulb moment for him, speaks to a deep lack of awareness/understanding of and insecurity about himself and his emotions. Like - I think there’s a case to be made that he never considered/recognised his feelings for Jim as love, even a friendship kind, but instead rationalised their relationship as a business friendship/alliance? (tho ofc in truth emotionally it WAS much more than that to Ozzie). Plus, he absolutely blames himself 100% for his mother’s death (see his Arkham dream!), so he maybe (probably?) believes he couldn’t have truly loved her or at least loved her right because if he did she wouldn’t have died. His father he didn’t know long enough to make sacrifices for, so never really had his loved ‘tested’ you could say, and well he did ofc kill his step-family, so probably doesn’t consider his feelings towards them as particularly loving because of that :p So the fact that he was delighted to have his love for Ed ‘proven’ seems a fitting reaction from him to me, because it’s potentially the only time (at least since his mother’s death) he has personally been both completely aware of his feelings and 100% sure of them as real/true/whatever.

So the ‘what good is love if it’s one sided?’ line - well yes WE have seen how good it was for Ozzie to love, but I imagine Ozzie himself wouldn’t have? Esp if we take it that he didn’t recognise his feelings for Jim as love - because that way, for Oz, his love for Ed would seem to be his first experience of romance, and as such it would be understandable for him to consider such an emotion as pointless if not returned I think?

Tl;dr - I don’t think the storyline was relying on the audience forgetting past plots and characterisation necessarily, because I think it was about developing/exploring Ozzie and Eddie’s own, flawed, understandings of each other and themselves and what personal love is supposed to feel/look like. While we, the audience, can see they are or have been mistaken when it comes to various assumptions.

Re: Jim - completely agree with your assessment. His rejection of Ozzie’s claims of torture and refusal to listen always made sense to me, callous as it seemed.

@sunlitroom said

I think, for me, this is one of this instances where you, as a viewer, are doing a ton of heavy lifting re: interpreting slipshod writing, and coming out with something way more intelligent and nuanced than the writers actually intended.

I think I can agree, to an extent, about Ed being shown to be wrong (he does wander into twatness frequently :D) He’s prone to hubris – and we see him falter here when he realises he was wrong about Oswald’s capacity for love and self-sacrifice. I still sort of feel, though, that we’re not asked to consider Ed’s knowledge of Oswald’s past as faulty (it’s never mentioned or nodded at here at all) – but rather that we’re supposed to think, and be taken aback, along with Ed - that Oswald has suddenly demonstrated the capacity for love for the first time.

Like - I think there’s a case to be made that he never considered/recognised his feelings for Jim as love, even a friendship kind, but instead rationalised their relationship as a business friendship/alliance? (tho ofc in truth emotionally it WAS much more than that to Ozzie)

I think, though, Oswald’s frustration in interactions with Jim was precisely because he felt Jim refused to acknowledge what Oswald felt was a deeper connection. He’s insistent on crossing the business line, much to Jim’s frequent discomfort. Then they gave us that daft line about love being no good when it’s one-sided, and that discontented little look, which was a tacit acknowledgment of Oswald’s feelings on that front.

(I hope you don’t mind me adding your tags because you stash half your argument in there, and then it disappears in the reblog, which seems a shame :))

#it occurs to me i’ve posted several things talking about ozzie sacrificing himself for ed as character development/growth#i guess i was seeing that more in terms of his understanding of romantic love specifically#which i was taking as something he only knew how to experience selfishly#because i don’t see him as recognising his feelings for jim as romantic#…or maybe even his love for eddie specifically#which i thought the show was going to keep as a selfish love#in any case - i can’t deny ozzie has loved deeply and selflessly before ed#and if i implied otherwise i was wrong about that - whoops and sorry!

I think this is probably something that will be very much YMMV - because I can see your idea is valid, but I came away with the opposite idea. I’d already seen Oswald experience what read as (so unsubtly it was almost not subtext) romantic attraction, deliberately take the fall for Jim with no deal in place to protect him, willingly offer to make sure Lee was safely out of the city, then ask her not to think badly of him - in short, demonstrate pretty much the opposite of what we saw him do with Ed and Isabella, where he was selfish and destructive.

And I think that’s why the pairing (as portrayed in the storyline, I have no issue with whatever shipping people do) made me so tetchy. I was simultaneously seeing something that looked nothing like what we had been shown Oswald was capable of in terms of love and generosity, but then I was asked to swallow it as not only romantic, but as evidence that Oswald could love. And I just felt not only was this the sort of repetitive storytelling that annoyed me with the Van Dahl stuff, but I just found it wilfully ignored so much previous characterisation and story.

And yes - re: Jim, I think s2 Jim can be summed up as ‘disappointing’. It’s definitely a nadir for him.

Tl;dr

Ed - can be a twat

s2 Jim - disappointing

Oswald - capable of love

@littlehollyleaf said

A very sweet way of saying I’m reading perhaps too much into things :p Fair point though - I’m used to analysing texts from a ‘Death of the Author’ perspective, so my grasp on authorial intent can be weak (and is also something I’m not generally interested in, which is why I try and avoid considering writer intent as much as possible… and always inevitably fail with WIP tv shows! see: much of our discussions about Isabella).

At the end of the day then - screw the writers, right? :p Ozzie is and always has been capable of selfless love and his relationship with Eddie and Eddie’s machinations didn’t reveal anything new on that front. Agree.

And I also agree, personally, that his crush on Jim was insanely obviously romantic - certainly I was reading it that way pretty much from the start! …however, as obvious as it might have seemed, his feelings for Jim were never explicitly shown/stated as romantic or even explicitly shown/stated as love, meaning there was, I think, a significant level of plausible deniability that meant his feelings COULD be, and probably WERE by a fair few viewers, read as non-romantic and not love (if either he or Jim were female that probably wouldn’t have been the case, but blah)… Ergo, while Ozzie’s relationship with Ed most certainly was NOT the first evidence given of Ozzie’s capacity/ability to love (both in general and romantically), it was at least the first time the show had provided explicit evidence of his capacity for romantic love, so… idk, that’s a thing maybe? …a good thing from a representation perspective, debatably, but, yeah, somewhat annoying in terms of characterisation, at least the way it was written, because, gah, yeah, the explicitness with Eddie is probably part of what makes Ozzie’s feelings for him come across as his first experience of romantic love period, and thus, like you say, suggests it was via his feelings for Ed he learnt HOW to love and that we were being shown he COULD love, ah, yes, that’s annoying… (perhaps if the show were to be more explicit about his feelings for Jim now it would help…?)

in any case, I’ve warmed to my own interpretation of Ozzie in himself not consciously recognising his feelings for Jim as romantic or even as love now though, so I might chew on it for a while :p Like, I don’t think it necessarily contradicts what you’re saying about him feeling he and Jim had a ‘deeper connection’ than just business, that he was subsequently upset Jim refused to acknowledge - you can argue it’s just that Ozzie didn’t understand that connection was love, let alone that it was a one-sided love. He just knew he cared for/about Jim and wanted to help him. So it’s like… when Ozzie was just feeling/experiencing romantic love, he was instinctively selfless (protecting Jim, helping Lee etc. with no real thought to having his feeling reciprocated), but then with Ed he actually LABELLED his emotion as romantic love and that made a difference to his behaviour… potentially… plus there’s a whole different dynamic with him and Ed where Ed initially sought Ozzie out and had a bit of a hero-worship thing going on and all the ways Ed presented himself as a substitute for Gertrude, which perhaps made it seem like Ed and Ed’s love SPECIFICALLY was Ozzie’s to claim, leading him to covet Ed’s love when it was denied him, in a way that doesn’t exist with Jim… and then we can factor in all Ozzie’s loss/trauma in-between his selfless loving of Jim and falling in love with Ed, which we can argue made him more inclined to be selfish and cling harder to the people he cared about for fear of losing them, hence why his manner of loving Ed was so different to how he loved Jim… (sorry I’m rambling now! this is just me thinking through ideas, not making any claims as to whether this was intended or comes across esp. in the show proper!).

(and sorry OP, this got rather involved! - we might have to take this discussion to a new post if we wanna keep going :p)

@littlehollyleaf - took your advice and started a new post :) Many apologies for taking so long to respond - buried under deadlines.

Ha! :D I do genuinely think your reading is better than the writers’ likely intentions.

I know what you mean, though, as regards taking a ‘Death of the Author’ approach, my background is Eng Lit, so I tend to do it too. Playing in the spaces and parsing motivation is fun. I think the thing is that I get grumpy if the writing moves from leaving fun gaps in the text, to huge whopping chasms – and then get distracted by fulminating over it.

Gracefully gliding past Gotham’s writing infelicities is the only way to keep watching. :)

I think Jim and Oswald are presented much more as the kind of subtext that anyone who liked, say, Clex, would be familiar with. There’s something there, but we’re never going to state it outright, nudge nudge, wink wink. It’s interesting – I was actually talking about this elsewhere, and we wondered whether that’s why Oswald’s interest in Jim is allowed to be much more sexual: because everything’s going to stay subtext, and therefore safe. Showing sexual interest when romantic intentions have been made explicit… not permitted, apparently. It’s going to be totally subjective, of course, whether you take that from a scene, but it’s something that struck me about this storyline.

I can see how that interpretation works – it’s just that one line that argues against it for me – what good is love if it’s one-sided? To be honest though - like you - there’s a lot I’ll have to chew over with this storyline until I can make it work for me. It’ll be interesting to see how they proceed in the next part of the season.

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Survey #45

“i want blood, guts, and chocolate cake.”

how many keys are on your key chain? what do they go to? two; one goes to each lock in my house. have you ever taken a pregnancy test? nah. what is something that always makes you feel pretty? eye liner. does the thought of moving out from home scare you? yeah... i'm totally ill-prepared for life on my own. have you taken anyone’s virginity? no. on average, how many pizza slices do you eat in one sitting? four, 'cuz i'm a fatass. have you ever gotten a matching piercing or tattoo with someone? yes, "ohana" tat with my best friend. ever made out in a pool? not sure actually. own bright colored underwear? no. do you have a leather jacket? no, but i've wanted one for years. :( do you have weak upper body strength? yes. what movie did you last watch with someone? the new "tarzan" do you think people are intimidated by you? hell no. do you often take painkillers? no. do you wish you were in a relationship? fuckin' tired of being alone. do you ever feel guilty eating meat? not really. what are you listening to at the moment? "think twice" by eve 6 have you fallen asleep in school? nope have you ever been hospitalized? yeah do you eat when you’re upset? YEP what sort of music were you brought up on? classic metal and rock is it hard to make you laugh? very. nothing's funny when you're a depressed fuck. is there a member of the opposite gender on your mind? fucking always what would you do if your ex called you? answer in a damn heartbeat while fangirling on the inside and probably having an anxiety attack is there anyone you hate? merely "hate" is too weak what is your background on your phone? lock screen is the bogeyman from "silent hill: downpour," but the artwork is from anne's comic. my home screen is pyramid head from white hunter have you ever taken a nap with a member of the opposite sex? i miss our naps... is there anything that you and your friends simply can’t agree on? sure. think about your ex, your crush, or the person you’re currently dating. were you attracted to that person as soon as you met them, or did the attraction develop over time? i thought he was a bit weird-looking but handsome at the same time??? it's weird. as far as personality goes, wow. i liked him so quickly. which do you use the most, smiley faces, kisses or hearts? smilies what’s the last thing you said to the last person you kissed? via writing, "because i promised." via actual words, i don't recall. would you feel okay about going to your parents for advice about sex and contraception? mom, totally. dad, no. has anyone ever told you that they loved you, and you didn’t say it back? yup. no regrets though, 'cuz if i don't love you, i don't love you. what did you do on your latest birthday? went to texas steakhouse with family and friends favorite dog breed? beagles, shiba inus, chow-chows... what is your favorite not-so-famous band/artist? otep have you ever had any teeth pulled? no have you ever seen two movies at the theater in a row? no do you own a nightgown? no have you ever actually been stuffed into a locker? no. thought that was going to be a much bigger problem as a kid. how many teenagers do you know who have babies? too many to count. do you get your surveys from your subscriptions page or do you actually go to specific sites and search for them? i get most of them from fellow survey-takers on tumblr. do you want to get pregnant right now? omg how funny, i actually had a dream i was in labor with a baby girl last night. jason was the dad somehow. but anyway, no, i do not. have you ever housed a friend for a long period of time because they had no place to live? nope. if you have younger siblings, are you very protective of them? hurt her and i swear to christ you die. if you have older siblings, are they very protective of you? i mean, i guess she somewhat is? like she worries about me, so does that count? have you ever wanted to be in a band? ha ha yup. the song you’re listening to right now? "teen idle" by marina and the diamonds have you ever had a concussion? ugh, yeah. have you seen the movie the dark knight? yeah. joker made me love it. can't even watch it anymore tho... ptsd trigger. guys with six packs, yes or no? sure? cool if you have one, cool if you don't. do you know anyone who has a pet gecko? yep. would you ever go bear hunting? no, nor would i go hunting in general. describe one of your most emotional farewells. he just... fucking left. we were talking on facebook; he was hanging out with dillon, talking about our relationship, then he said he wanted to end it because he couldn't handle me anymore. i can't remember what i said, but i guess it was cryptic or dangerous enough for him to wind up at my door, because i'd charged into the kitchen to slit my throat, but i ended up on the couch sobbing to my mom. i just screamed at him when he got here, shrieked through tears. he said we could still be friends. liar. then he left. still hasn't come back. how have your tastebuds changed since you were a child? uhhh. i liked peas as a kid. can't stand them now. did you find it difficult to learn how to drive? if you do not know how to drive, would you ever like to learn? yes, it's hard, imo. mostly due to my anxiety, though, i over-exaggerate every driving situation that presents itself to me. do you own plants? if so, what kind of plants? if not, would you like to grow any? not anymore, and no, because i'm too fucking depressed to take care of them. when was the last time you felt at peace? i'm pretty sure the answer's never. what’s one thing that's heavily weighing on your mind? just one? psh. are you self conscious? holy fuck yeah. but then again, no? and by that i mean, like, i barely put any effort into my appearance. for example, i only get dressed in actual clothes if i have to go somewhere and i like NEVER wear makeup. yet simultaneously, i care very much what people think about me, particularly when it comes down to my weight. do you think of others before yourself? it depends on the situation, really. i have to start thinking of myself sometimes. what are your plans for your next birthday? eat out for dinner with friends and family, maybe get tipsy enough to not care about life, get a tattoo. are you friends with your neighbors? nope. what’s your favorite planet? saturn! do you sing in the shower? no what's your favorite disney movie? tlk what do you do when you can't sleep? get back on the laptop, usually... do you know anyone who is blind? in one eye, yes. do you have a good singing voice? nope do you ever listen to music in languages besides english? german, yes. when you're sad do you prefer sad music or happy music? SAD. happy music will make me angry. do you have a favorite type of bird? owls did you have a webkinz when you were younger? FUCK YEAH I DID would you rather go to japan or greece? wow that's hard. uhhhh... greece? why is the world still existing? god doesn't want it to end yet? did america really put a man on the moon? i think so. are there any television shows you’re looking forward to in the next few months? no, i don't watch tv. when it’s time to dress up for a special occasion, are you more likely to wear a dress, a skirt, or dress pants? dress, i guess. what band/celebrity/etc do you know the most information about? who would you like to learn more about? i know a bit too much about ozzy osbourne lmao the last news you got that shocked you, what was it, and was it good news or bad news? bad. if you have pets, who normally puts food and water in their dish? depends on the pet have you ever taken a "break" of any sort in a relationship? no, i don't believe in taking breaks. do you organize the pictures on your computer into different folders or are they all just under "my pictures"? in my old laptop, they were organized. new one, nah, 'cuz i don't have many pictures. do you think if someone is in a relationship, that it is acceptable to have sleepovers with other people of their preferred sex? sure, so long they're not doing sexual things. do you feel uncomfortable sharing things like artwork or poetry you've written? Is it because you don't think it's good enough to show off or because it's too personal? FUCKING YES BC IT'S PERSONAL have you ever played a drinking game? which ones? i have not. do you like word or picture tattoos better? pictures, generally. have you ever tasted goat’s milk? no. have you cried in the past week? yeah do you think you could handle having an autistic or mentally disabled child? i sure would hope so. if you were given the chance to go scuba diving, would you? hell yeah! have you ever seen a live seahorse? yep. what color did you first ever dye your hair? i got purple highlights sour skittles or regular? sour when did you last visit a tattoo parlor? what were you in there for? do you often go into tattoo parlors? some months ago when i had to photograph a person who works with their hands doing their work. it was cool. i don't go to tat parlors often, though. i wish! in the past year, have you lost weight or gained weight? how much? don't wanna go into how much i gained... is there a specific time you eat lunch every day, or is it always different? i eat at exactly 12 PM

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