#I hope casual watchers love the show and it sets us forward in terms of wlw rep with the gen public

[unsiredtribrid]

I think it’s so funny looking at the yellowjackets subreddit and seeing a new post about how much someone loves Jeff every single day

[marjansmarwani]

Is it just me, or does it feel really odd that Owen and TK haven’t really had any scenes? Given the focus on the father/son relationship in earlier seasons, the fact that TK almost died should warrant a discussion or acknowledgment. I wonder if this focus/conversation is delayed for some reason. It just feels so odd. The weird Owen moment in the middle felt so off (mainly because we missed that scene before and had no resolution afterward, not because it was out of character) and his mom being in the dream but not in person until months later? I would love to think this all has purpose but I have also watched this show before.

Though if this is the price we pay to get Detective Reyes and have TK be a part of his storyline rather than vice versa, I will gladly take it. I feel that is actually how the TK hypothermia storyline turned out—a showcase for Rafa rather than anyone else.

I don't think it was just you, Anon. It was definitely unexpected that they really didn't have any scenes together, given everything (and especially given that one of the stills released before the episode was Owen in TK's hospital room and they apparently cut that scene). It has put me at least in the strange position where I am almost wishing we had more Owen content? But then again, I don't actually hate Owen (I do think they don't use his character well thought and I absolutely do agree it's unbalanced) and Good Dad Owen is hands down the best version of him. The fact that we got almost no scenes between them considering anything and no mention of what had happened in the others is infuriating to me, actually. Which is why I'm currently writing a fic to fill in the blanks, but that's another topic.

As for the rest, I do think (or at least I hope) that they are setting something up. It certainly seems to me that Owen is spiraling (which is understandable given everything really) and while usually I would think that is just me reading too much into things as I often do with this show, one of my friends who is just a casual watcher texted me that this morning when she was watching so maybe it's more valid than I think. They've done this before though (I was so excited in the beginning of season 2 with all the things they were setting up with the survivor's guilt and then they just...didn't) so I have a hard time trusting them to follow through with it, but I do hope they do. This is always going to be at least somewhat the Rob Lowe show so it would be great if they actually took advantage of the really layered character they created and I don't know, explored that once in a while? The man is a mess and there is so much material to work with, and they just keep shoving it under the rug. But that is a topic for another post, because this is getting long.

I definitely think that we are going to get some Gwyn content that will show how his relationship with her is different from his relationship with Owen, and maybe some of the things that he picked up from her and not his dad. I hope there will be some Owen and TK content too moving forward. I would like to think that maybe they address any of that in the near-future, but I have my doubts. So safe to say that I agree with you Anon and I hope we do get more, and that this all does have a purpose.

I think you also hit the nail on the head in regards to the TK hypothermia storyline turning out to be more about Carlos and TK (with special attention to Rafa in terms of acting) than anyone else and I am perfectly okay with that.

[wolfwhiteflowers]

speculating on the future of new TWD

I haven’t really thought of what’s next after Carl’s death ..or s9. I’m like in denial or actually I just want to see how s8B goes first, and then decide and wonder. (winter hiatus ugh so much to wonder and go crazy) I guess most people are doing that or they quit now. Well I did some thinking anyways, since I keep seeing people asking ‘what about comic-Carl’s arcs?’ and not what’s the premise now?-well maybe they are asking that. 

I also speculate on other characters and my ships. my head is going crazy.

*comic spoilers! *tv spoilers!

- check out my tag #*twd s8 spoilers or #*twd for more of my thoughts.

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 Anyways, so I just think anyone can take (after the time-jump) comic-Carl’s multiple plots, and the show goes like as usual-adapting and some remixing from the comics. The show have done it already with comic-Andrea(one of the big characters). So, Daryl, Enid,Henry, Judith could take some comic-Carl’s plots??? 

There’s that premise of the show, ‘father and son’ thing and seeing ‘son becoming a leader’. If the show really wants to keep continuing that same premise of ‘father and son’, then it’s like Rick and Judith playing that way, and some other arcs. I kinda wonder about Henry(kingdomer) and Carol as the mother and son trope thing. It could be Rick as father and Henry as the son/future leader and they both be that way back and forth in the story. But, that seems confusing, outdated, and well he’s not Carl. 

So, I’m hoping ep 9, the writers will say what’s the new premise or something that would make sense of when looking back at TWD as a whole. Merging both premises. (I know people have different reasons for watching. Some don’t care of the premise or casual watchers, or don’t care to look at the big picture but just to keep going forward in the story.) Um, I’m hoping to see Carl telling his dad to thank him for raising him and ... Oh I’ve seen some quotes from Riggs saying that Rick will follow Carl’s lead, his hopes. I think Rick will honor Carl. So, then the premise is changed and explained. I hope it makes sense and done right ..to me in ep 9 and on. Also, it reinforce that TWD show is always about Rick and will always be. Not like the comics, where it will be about Carl’s story. If the writers didn’t explain the new premise well and not makes sense for me, maybe I would lose interest in the show or so. I probably lose more trust on the writers (which is bad thing to feel that way). Idk just my opinion and I liked that they showed Carl as a hero in ep 8. There’s no right answer to it. (ofc also want the show to end it on the writer’s terms and not unexpectedly cancelled etc.)

The death of Carl really changes the story and really diverted from the comic’s story. Like Idk even know what Carol, Daryl, Tara, and Morgan and others will do. Even Enid too. It’s harder to speculate now. These characters that are not from the comics or living longer than the comic counterpart. There’s now more options that one of those characters could take comic-Carl’s plot and stuff. This also give opportunities for the writers to do original stories too like before but now more than usual. (Grady hosp., the scavengers, oceanside?)

-Caryl. Thinking of the worst, I really hope Daryl doesn’t take comic-Carl’s part of meeting (adult) Lydia and starting that relationship. That’s would suck and it’s not the same in the comics as in that it’s comic-Carl’s first love. What about Enid, who is Carl’s first gf and adapting from comic-Sophia. It’s all confusing. So far, imo, Lydia isn’t that important in that plot. It’s the part of introducing the Whisperers and learning about them ..from Lydia. So TWD could not make her a love interest or just have someone who informs us and the team family. So, I hope they don’t pair Daryl with Lydia. I’m hoping for Caryl to happen soon or canon off screen after the time-jump. This Caryl thing is hard. I love this pairing, still feel that they’re still Caryl~. But I really don’t know what’s next based on the comics and we wait a long time and nothing more happens with their relationship. I want confirmation of what they are. idk maybe they be canon at the end of the series sigh.

-Speculating on Daryl, I can kinda see him being like comic-Dwight like what they did in s7. I kinda see some plots from comic-Carl (wanting to kill Negan), ..comic-Michonne ..in the way of leaving Rick/ASZ. I don’t know.

-I really don’t know what’s next for Carol. I do think the writers are foreshadowing Ezekiel’s death. So, if she starts a romance with him, it’s sad because he’s gonna die anyways and she’ll be sad again. Based on the foreshadowing, I think Ezekiel will die in s9. She’s been following comic-Michonne. But, oh boy since Carl died, I feel that changes Carol and Michonne’s arcs. Well, with speculating on the comics that the writers adapt and remix from. I know tv writers can change it up anytime. It kinda makes me think Michonne will go back to comic-Michonne’s plots.

-I’m kinda thinking of Richonne and I’m like OMG there’s so much heavy stories potential for Richonne. It’s not just Richonne but also just Rick and just Michonne. We already saw some glimpse of Michonne’s PTSD, losing two sons, moment when she slaughtered the savior guy.  So, I think Richonne will live till the end of the show. Richonne are like the leading characters of the show. “Rick’s show” But it’s like close to being “Richonne’s show” because they’re both are honoring Carl’s hopes. They’re Carl’s parents. This is so different from the comics. Comic-Rick and Andrea didn’t deal with this situation during AOW. So, whatever Richonne will do in s8B will be original. And in s9, I think will be still original or their dynamic really is different than comic-R&A.

 -I also think the writers thought ”to kill off Carl or Michonne die based on comic-Andrea”, and they chose Michonne to live. Or, other TV/business reasons. I think that is based on comic-Andrea.  I would really hate if Rick will lose Carl and Michonne after the Whisperer War.

 IF, the show lasts that long and writers thought Rick needed to have something in common with Negan-losing a wife(I think). I don’t like this idea. I read the comics and I still don’t know what’s the point of comic-Andrea’s death yet. Losing Carl already impacted Rick, so losing Michonne later on..just makes it’s so hard on Rick. Is comic-Andrea’s death is to kill off comic-Rick later on? But he’s not losing his mind and he still has comic-Carl and Mikey(kinda adopted son) right now. So, I think Carl is based on comic-Andrea’s death and that it also starts up Negan’s redemption and I think that the writers wanted to do that early in AOW and not WW. So, no need to kill Michonne, imo. The writers said they’re bridging the gap or hole for why Rick wants Negan to live in prison cell (Carl’s hope) and not be killed off. I guess I’m also saying that I think the writers are thinking that comic-Andrea’s death relates to Negan’s redemption. (in the comics, I think Negan’s redemption was done well, imo. I hope tv version can show it well too.*maggie) I guess I’m also saying that Negan is big character too in the story. He is in the comics and that’s how it is...so if anyone hates Negan..stop watching it then, I guess. Negan is like one of the main characters and impacts the story a lot during this time in the show and still is in the comics. Idk it depends on how long the show lasts and what the writers will do, but I think Negan is gonna be important in the story. So I guess writers thought killing Carl will start up the new premise of the show and set up the redemption arc for Negan, and Michonne lives on.

So there’s a lot of changes and it’s all up in the air. It just depends if I still trust the writers or still the show. I do think s8B and s9 & on is gonna be like a new show.  “Rick’s show” 

Here’s an article to read of the show and AL.