#I don't know how big other women's waistlines are

[lycorogue]

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Men’s pants: Your waist is 30 inches, therefore you are a size 30.

Women’s pants: Your waist is bad inches, you have wide hips, a small butt, short legs, a prehensile tail, and we don’t like your face. Therefore you are a size whatever the fuck we want, but only at this store.

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[dresshistorynerd]

This is kind of random, but would it have been a struggle for a big busted women to wear fashionable silhouettes in the medieval era? I’ve heard some costume historians discuss that there were forms of bust support, but most of what I’ve seen pre-1500s seems like it would have been a nightmare for any ancestor with a similar bodytype to wear. Am I just from a line of women doomed to horrible back pain? (On the flip side of the situation, I’ve found corsets and stays to be rather comfortable, so that’s not a problem)

As a fellow big boob haver, I have good news for you! There were pretty good Medieval bust supporting garments and I have tested one of them.

With sturdy fabric, tailoring and lacing you can create pretty good bust support. Lacing was popularized first in 12th century in form of bliaut, and in 14th century tailoring became standard for everyday garments. I don't know how well bliaut supported the bust, but since it doesn't fit super snugly, I assume it doesn't distribute the weight of the boobs as well as tailored supporting garments and therefore isn't as supportive. I'm also not actually sure if there was proper bust supporting garments before that, I haven't looked into it. I know Romans bound their breasts with cloth wrapped around the chest, so maybe that technique continued (at least for those who especially needed it) till lacing and tailoring became a thing. For more about how supporting garments developed in Europe through history, I have a post about development of lacing, which coincides pretty well with that history from 12th century forward.

Personally I have experience with Medieval Bathhouse dress, which was used in the Germanic Central-European area roughly in 14th to 16th century. It's called the Bathhouse dress because most depictions of it are from bathhouse settings, but there's depiction also in bed chambers and other contexts, so I think it's pretty safe to assume it was used more generally as an undergarment. It often had separate cups for the boobs (see the only extant garment left of it, the so called "Lengberg Castle Bra"), but not always. Unlike most other undergarments at the time, it was sort of a shift (the lowest layer) and a supporting garment combined into one.

I sewed my own recreation of it (with some alterations because I made it for my everyday use, not as a historical recreation) and did a post about my results, where I go deeper into the history of the garment too. I didn't construct it very well and I did an error in the design of the back, which cause the strain of the shoulder straps to focus too much on very specific spots in the back panel, which eventually made the fabric there break too many times. (There were some other smaller design flaws too, like the waistline is lower than my natural waist so it rose and wrinkled annoyingly.) I did use it daily (except when I washed it) for a fairly long time though and it was super comfortable and helped a lot with back pain (and shoulder pain caused by use of modern bras). I hate that I've had to go back to modern bras because I haven't had the time to remake it yet. (I'll probably make a follow up post once I get around to it, where I go through the issues of the first version and how I addressed them in the next attempt.) Well fitted and shaped bodice which is then laced does surprisingly much even without any additional reinforcements.

I haven't made a Medieval kirtle (though I will some day), but it was the more widely used Medieval supporting garment, which eventually replaced Bathhouse dress in the area where that was used. Kirtle is worn over a shift, but it broadly works similarly. Kirtles could be front, side or back laced depending on the time period and how the Kirtle was constructed. Multiple layers of kirtles could be used and looser overgarments (like houppelande) were often used on top of it. Kirtle was used by everyone, including men, but for those who didn't need bust support, it's purpose was mainly to create the fashionable silhouette. Here's three depictions of kirtles from 15th century. First unlaced, but has lacing on the front, second close up of the side lacing and third shows nicely how both front and side/backlacing shaped the bust.

Morgan Donner is a costumer, who focuses a lot on Medieval costuming and has a big bust, so while I haven't personally tested the supportiveness of kirtle, she certainly has. The kirtle bodice part needs to be patterned to accommodate the breasts by giving it round shapes and the kirtle needs to be a little too small so there's room to lace it to fit well. Lining also helps to reinforce the fabric and make it more firm and supportive. Here's Morgan's pattern from the tutorial in her website and how the kirtle eventually fits for her. (Also look at the handsome boy in his handsome matching outfit.)

She also has a video relating to the same kirtle project, where she explains her method to pattern a kirtle specifically so it's supportive for big bust.

In 16th century more stiffness was added to kirtles, first with very stiff lining and then with boning, but that doesn't necessarily add to the bust support, rather it just allows the kirtle to shape the bust and the body in general more and better support a heavy skirt. Firm fabric secured snugly with lacing is already very good at distributing the weight of the boobs to the whole torso.

In conclusion, at least since 14th century people with our body type were not doomed to eternal back pain and even before that some ways to help with it were probably used.

[albumsreviews]

Blackpink “ the album “ my personal review on songs with little song for every mood !! The reviews will be like 1-10 on songs !

1.”HOW YOU LIKE THAT”

Listen to it when: you need a confidence boost

Key Lyrics: “Those dark days when I was trapped / You should have ended me when you still have a chance”

“How You Like That” is a song that positively oozes with sass, and with lyrics about finding self-love in the face of those who might enjoy your downfall, it’s a helpful self-esteem boost for anyone who has been in a dark place. The track starts off soft and vulnerable, only for the chorus to arrive with a powerful beat drop. “How You Like That” lets you know that you are in for an audacious ride

My review - 7/10

This song is really good and powerful . It Great song start over album defiantly boost your mood right on up.

2. “ICE CREAM” (FT. SELENA GOMEZ)”

Listen to it when you’re feeling: flirtatious

Key Lyrics: “Even in the sun, you know I keep it icy / You could take a lick, but it's too cold to bite me”

Just like the title suggests, the song is sugar, spice, naughty, and nice! But what else would you expect from a track co-written by Ariana Grande and Victoria Monét, among others? Fittingly, “Ice Cream” makes many light, tasty dessert metaphors: Blackpink are approaching their guys with grown-women energy and are not being shy in their approach of what they want.

My reviews - 9/10 -

Most people doesn’t like song because no change in sound of music . I honestly really love song and like how Blackpink and Selena gone match together so well.

3.”PRETTY SAVAGE”

Listen to it when you’re feeling: brazen

Key Lyrics: “Yeah, we some bitches you can’t manage”

Lisa, Jennie, Jisoo, and Rosé are making it very clear that they aren’t bothered by what people think of them. In fact, they find the criticism laughable and are not pulling any punches as they curse at their haters. “Pretty Savage” makes it clear that you can call out their weight, popularity, and attitudes all you like. You are the one with the problem.

My reviews -9.8/10

One favorite songs from album. I love how sassy this song is and fact they dissed their haters on the song.

4. “BET YOU WANNA” (FT. CARDI B)

Listen to it when you’re feeling: seductively cute

Key Lyrics: “From the club to the tub, you said you wanna / Give me an all-night hug, I bet you wanna”

“Bet You Wanna” is a seductive, come-hither track carefully disguised as a carefree bop that you’ll want to have playing in the background as you get ready for a night out — whenever we can safely do that again. The girls slyly sing about “all-night hugs” and wanting to be taken to “paradise,” which leaves listeners understanding their flirty sex appeal amid a PG setting. Cardi even toned down her verse, but the intent is still there: “Grab my waistline, but don't ever waste me,” she raps.

My reviews - 6.8 / 10

I like that all English song. Jisoo did so good in the song but it’s now most favorites song off album. I’ll will listen to it tho. Cuz I love This girls so much

5. “LOVESICK GIRLS”

Listen to it when you’re feeling: heartbroken and needing to dance

Key Lyrics: “Didn't wanna be a princess, I'm priceless / A prince not even on my list / Love is a drug that I quit”

This bass-heavy electro-pop song finds the four members singing about the fact that they were “born to be alone” while lamenting the loss of a relationship. They appear to be dancing on the borders of two of the five stages of grief, anger and denial, but who hasn’t gone through those emotions when going through a breakup?

My reviews - 10/10

I love this song so much. The Mv is amazing . I like retro 80’s feel to song. Can’t wait see dance to this song and comeback stages

6.”CRAZY OVER YOU”

Listen to it when you’re feeling: possessive

Key Lyrics: “I know I have enemies / Long as you’re into me / But I don’t care ‘cause I got what I need”

All’s fair in love and war, and here, the ladies of Blackpink are preparing for battle over their love interests. They also don’t care if they make enemies, or in Lisa’s words, if you think they are “loco.” They what they want, and on this dizzying carousel of a pop gem, they’re going to get it.

My reviews - 10/10

I love song so much. My favorite all English song on the album . I love mood of song plus Rosé and Jisoo vocals slayed . I like lisa and Jennie rap in this song

7. “LOVE TO HATE ME”

Listen to it when you’re: not stressing about the haters

Key Lyrics: “Stressing over nothing, baby relax / Why you getting angry? I’ma kick back / Only thing I think about is big stacks”

“Love To Hate Me” is a no-nonsense song about dealing with a jealous, “stupid” ex who see your success as a threat instead of a celebration. Just like every song on this album, Blackpink’s intentions are clear: “You ain’t worth my love if you only love to hate me.

My reviews- 9.9 /10

Love this song . What made go high in numbers

Is Lisa rap . The best one yet !

8. YOU NEVER KNOW”

Listen to it when you’re feeling: vulnerable

Key Lyrics: “The brighter that light gets, the longer my shadow becomes / Can I look back when it gets too bright?"

The Album ends with a heartfelt ballad, as Blackpink urge listeners to have tolerance and empathy on what’s probably the most emotional song of the eight. They may be the most popular girl group at the moment, but there are days when things get overwhelming, and as they remind us, you will never know what they have been through. The song ends with triumph but serves as a reminder that we all need to be careful before we pass judgment on anyone.

My reviews - 10/10

This song is emotional and one best ballad songs!!

Sources ; this where got information

https://www.mtv.com/news/3170531/blackpink-the-album-mood-music/