#Her & I’d also have it that Madelyne doesn’t have psychic powers at first

[cosmicourple]

X-men but. It’s Spiderverse but also- it’s focused around Professor X/telepath users-type characters 😙😙😙

Already got ideas for who’s who:

a teenage Madelyne Pryor (AKA goblin queen/Jean Grey’s clone) is Miles (could of just made them Jean but I didn’t want to hajhahjahggfg)

mentally not okay/at first still drug addicted D.O.F.P! Charles is in Peter B’s place

a variant of Scott who gained Jean’s powers after her death as Spider! Gwen Stacey

Raven/Mystique who was reformed but then somewhat went back to her old ways as uncle Aaron/Prowler (idk how that would work, maybe she was put in charge or volunteered to look after Madelyne :/)

& old Charles would be in the slot of the Peter from Miles timeline AKA he dies, therefore setting Madelyne up for her arc as Miles had in the movie 👍

not sure who the other Spider People or the villains would be,,,

idk what this whole idea is, I just want more main character Madelyne Pryor Stuff ig mfggjhhgdffdeebb 😙

[mypralaya]

If I were going to adapt Haven's arc to a cartoon, I think I'd merge it with the Adversary's original introduction during The Fall of the Mutants.

The Fall of the Mutants is when we first meet the Adversary. It happens in 1988, when Haven would still have been pregnant with him/it, so some fans question this as a continuity snarl, but I think it's very easily explained via magic. We've literally seen the same thing---incarnating a soul into an unborn child back in time---with the Scarlet Witch and her sons. I don't think it's at all impossible for the Adversary to do this, or to be in two places at once.

Anyway, basically what happens is the X-Men come to Dallas looking for Storm, and find out that time and space are running amok there. Dinosaurs, cavemen, cowboys, demons, all these strange people and creatures are just coming out of random portals and rampaging through the city. Finally, a scene from the Vietnam War pops in that reveals the explanation for what's happening. The X-Men known as Forge is not only a mutant, he's also a Cheyenne shaman with magical abilities...as well as a Vietnam veteran. During his time in Vietnam, the troop he was with were slaughtered, and he ended up summoning the Adversary to take revenge. He had banished the Adversary back from whence he came, but the Adversary still gained a foothold on Earth....and it's finally become strong enough to come back, along with all this chaos.

The X-Men try to fight the Adversary, but realize it can't be defeated in any way that they're capable of. The only way to get rid of him is for Forge to banish him once again...and to do that, he needs nine souls, nine lives. The X-Men, being the heroes they are, volunteer to do it, to die for the world to be saved. And thus Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Longshot, Rogue, Dazzler, Psylocke, Havok, and Madelyne Pryor (Cyclops had left her at this point, but she still remained with the team because MADDY IS AWESOME) all died, and the Adversary locked away again...though only, as his eternal enemy the goddess Roma pointed out, temporarily. Roma, in reward for the X-Men's selfless sacrifice, resurrected them. Since their deaths had been televised, the world now believed them gone, even their allies X-Factor and Magneto, and they decided to take advantage of this, moving their base to Australia and continuing their operations in secret.

Then, of course, in 1995 the Adversary returned, being born physically back into Earth via Haven. And there's that little time hiccup I mentioned, because Haven has been pregnant with him for the last TWENTY YEARS so how could he have been in Dallas, but, again, given the kind of creature the Adversary is, his immense power, and the fact time and space don't mean shit to him, I feel like there's really no contradiction here at all.

So, if I were adapting all this into a cartoon, I think I'd merge these two Adversary events into one. Have X-Factor's conflict with Haven happen first, and have that eventually culminate into birthing the Adversary. Then all that freaky shit begins, whether in Dallas or somewhere else, and X-Factor has to call on the X-Men to come help them. Forge recognizes the Adversary, and recounts how he summoned it during the Vietnam War (or another event, depending on if this is set in the 1990s or made more current) and concludes that while he thought he banished it, it must have used its foothold in this world to incarnate into Haven's unborn child.

From there, things proceed as they did in the comics, with the X-Men coming together to defeat it via Forge's magic. I'd still have them all contributing their souls/life force in some way to the spell, but I don't think I would bother with them dying if they're just going to get resurrected two seconds later by Roma anyway. That's such a cop-out. If they do need to be thought dead by the world for plot reasons, though, if this also follows with the comic book story of "and then they fuck off to Australia" then Haven has to get resurrected too. Alternatively, maybe she doesn't die at all from the birth but contributes to defeating the Adversary. Maybe she gives up her life instead of them giving up theirs. That way, the death in the story is permanent and thus actually has an impact, but we don't lose our heroes for their future adventures. It's still sad for Haven, but getting to go out a hero and stopping the Adversary is definitely a better ending than just dying alone with the realization she brought this evil into the world.

I think compressing it into one story would work better for a cartoon. And while I think that's fine as is, I wonder if it could be meshed with Inferno as well? Because Madelyne Pryor and Magik both deserve cartoon adaptions a lot more than Haven does (I may personally love Haven, but she's nowhere near the major character status these two have) And, both thematically and content-wise, these stories are very similar? In Inferno, you've got demons trying to come to Earth and make it their personal playground. Same with the Adversary. As a result, a whole lot of crazy destructive magical chaos starts happening in Manhattan. Same with Dallas. And in Inferno, these demons use and manipulate two tragic female characters to their own ends. Same with Haven and the Adversary. Honestly, it's almost the same event, just with different demons! And in addition to the theme of women being used, of their agency and identities being eroded, there's also a theme of children. For Magik, it's her lost childhood, and sacrificing her existence to become a child again. For Madelyne, it's her child being taken from her, and then her becoming so twisted that when she gets him back, she's going to sacrifice him. Obviously, Haven shares that theme as well, being controlled by the demon that is possessing her unborn child.

So, all things considered, the stories fit together REALLY easily, and streamlines them into one event that brings a lot of heroes together--X-Factor, X-Men, New Mutants---so it would work really well as a finale to a cartoon season that had focused on all three squads separately. I also kinda like the trinity thing going by having three women instead of two, as the "triple goddess" is a recurrent archetype in numerous myths and magical women working in threes is a trope that shows up in loads of media, so it makes it feel a little more magical in a way, which an event like this should because it IS magical and much more fantasy-heavy than the usual X-Men stories, which are more sci-fi and action/adventure-oriented. It also gets a Three Faces of Eve thing going perfectly.

The one problem would be giving these three women the attention they each deserve. Each of them deserves her specific story to be treated with care, tragedy, and pathos. That gets harder with more of them. It's also difficult because of the similarity of what's happening them. The same thing that makes them fit together thematically also means it's harder to play their tragedies as individual rather than part of the same unit. If it was a novel, I think it could be done, but not a TV show or even a movie. There's also the danger of overwhelming the viewer even if it is done correctly; when there's TOO much tragedy at once, it actually loses its effect because the viewer/reader/etc just hits this emotional ceiling. Even if each woman is successfully given the portrayal and attention and sympathy from the narrative she deserves, viewers still might not be able to feel everything they should for all three because it's too much at once.

Also, if I could, I would like to squeeze Exodus in there. It's already cluttered as hell once it's merged with Inferno, but ideally, if possible, I think this would be a cool way to introduce his character in the cartoon adaptation. Because it's a conflict with DEMONS, and Exodus is an extremely religious character, he was a knight during the Crusades and he still has that mentality. He's even literally described as a "mad scary angel" by another character. So isn't it just perfect to have him fighting demons? In this universe, rather than being woken up by Magneto, the magical and psychic energies going on during the conflict are what woke him up. Confused, he followed them to their source like a beacon, arriving on a scene of what he believes to be literal Hell. He originally concludes that the X-Men fighting the demons are merely souls of the damned, and thus must be left to their fate.

But then, something convinces him to help them. Maybe he admires how valiantly they fight, seeing in them kindred spirits. Maybe he realizes that the demons have abused innocent women who need to be rescued, and there's that whole knightly chivalry thing going. So he helps out, and at the end it looks like the X-Men might have a new ally...but then at some point, obviously, that would have to change, because Exodus works much better in a story as a foe to the heroes than a friend. But if he's going to be a bad guy in this universe, I think he'd end up having a far different dynamic than in the comics, because in the comics, Magneto wakes him up, so he's indebted to him and learns about the world from him first and seems kind of in love with him, so of course he takes on Magneto's viewpoints...in this scenario, he's waking up alone, and the first thing he sees is this horrible hellish vision...and finds out afterwards it was more or less caused by mutants as much as demons, and also stopped by mutants, and humans don't even enter into the picture. So I don't see how he'd come out of that with his extremist "mutants good, humans bad" mindset.

Hmmm...maybe scratch the whole "Inferno wakes him up" deal, and say he's already awake and a follower of Magneto and an enemy of the X-Men, he's just helping them this one time because he doesn't want Hell on Earth either? It could work, though there would have to be some answers about just when Magneto woke him up, since I'd like to keep the "Magneto was mentor to the New Mutants" thing from the comics.

But most likely, putting Exodus in would just be adding too much. Mushing the Haven, the Adversary, and the Fall of the Mutants with Inferno is already a considerable expansion in plot and characters, one more guy in there is probably not only not needed, but not doable. But if I could squeeze him in, I'd like to. Not that this is an actual project that's gonna happen or anything, just thinking about if it was.

So yeah, basically, I think compressing the Adversary's story by merging the Fall of the Mutants with Haven's arc would work very well and could very easily be done, I'd definitely do that. I think that then expanding this by merging it with Inferno could also be done, though with some additional challenges, I'd TRY to do that. And I think throwing Exodus in, while a cool idea, would probably be too much but uh I might still try because I like Exodus but I wouldn't push it either.