#HeidiOFans

[heidi-oferrall-is-a-narcissist]

Kinda surprised you don't get any anons getting angry at you. When the heidiofans blog was active, she wasn't nearly as intense as you are at criticizing Heidi, but she was totally flamed for it on the regular.

Oh I get plenty of angry comments sent to me, I've just been ignoring them because they're all just people whining at me for having the audacity to not like their precious elf queen. And I wouldn't call HeidiOFans critical of Heidi, at least not anymore. She did when she started her blog, but when the Heidi whiteknights came screeching at her, she cowered out of actually criticizing Heidi and switched to doing nothing but defending Jared's and Holly's narcissist asses. I don't bow to a gaggle of childish whiteknights throwing tantrums at me because they don't like what I say.

[trashwitchcoven]

There's a point where "It's their blog, they can run it however" goes out the window. HOF allowing any post that comes in is all fun and games until people start believing the blatant lies in the anons he posts. You worked hard to expose the truth about Jared/Holly/Heidi, and HOF allowing posts with misinformation is undoing all of that work. HOF needs some level of standards for what he posts, and he needs to accept that running his anti-Heidi blog is going to cause a problem in the community.

Eh, I wouldn't say it was hardwork to simply post the truth and the reality.

Either way, it's their blog. I can't, won't, don't really want to control it.

((This will be the last HOF post I answer unless something else happens; We're not going to become a HOF bashing blog just for shits and giggles, kids))

[trashwitchcovenmoved]

If heidiofans wants to be taken seriously, then they should probably separate themselves from rockyridges, sadoldmagician, & the rest you mentioned, as I've seen how invasive & presumptuous they've been publicly.

I can’t speak as to what heidiofans’ goal is - if it’s to be taken seriously or if it’s just to have a space where they can rant/defending Holly and Jared/post whatever-the-shit-they-want.  I don’t know, and I don’t want to presume what the purpose is.  

I’ve had SadOld come after me before (and you’ll never convince me that he didn’t have his hand in the cookie jar of anon hate that I received for the first and only time IMMEDIATELY after interacting with him), and I’ve seen RockyRidges/Bork try to excuse Holly liking posts that said Heidi had BPD by saying that she didn’t personally say it herself, so it was okay.    He also eventually told my friend that it was “fucking disgusting” to boil the situation between Holly and Heidi down to the fact that Holly was mad that Heidi didn’t let her fuck Jared with no rules or consequences, despite the fact that that is EXACTLY what the situation specifically between them boils down to (because if it was REALLY about her thinking she was saving Jared from an abusive relationships, she would’ve been more focused on getting him counseling and help rather than immediately getting into a romantic relationship with him which is like the #1 thing counselors tell you NOT to do immediately after leaving an abuse situation).  It’s not even that they’re presumptuous - It’s that they behave like rabid attack dogs on crystal meth, attacking anyone and anything that either contradicts them or is negative towards Holly or Jared. 

Their rampant fanaticism and inability to look at things from an unbiased point-of-view (especially SadOld, since he and his wife are personal friends of Holly and Jared’s) are hurting their arguments more than they are helping.    

[robinsversion]

Come at me, Jared simps, I’m ripped

[heidiofans]

What's this bullshit about you getting a Twitter to @ Heidi with your ugly shitty takes? It's bad enough you're trying to redefine Tumblr as a Jared/Holly circlejerk, but now you want to do that on Twitter too? Get your stupid ass off the internet you fucking loser

Chill, I'm not getting a Twitter account. Someone suggested that I get one, but that's not my thing. As I said in that response, it's literally pointless, I would go through all the effort of setting up an account just to get blocked the moment I say anything.

In addition to that, it goes against my personal morals that I shouldn't go out of my way to antagonize someone. Yes, this blog is going to raise hackles in a few people, but that's exactly why I keep it here. I'll engage with people who engage with me, but I'm not going to set up accounts on other social media for the express purpose of starting shit with people. This includes Heidi.

[occamsrazorscooter7]

Spicy hot take: If TWC says that HOF is accountable for her anons and what they say on her blog, then TWC should be held to the same standard. Such as TWC's most recent anon, pointing people to your blog and declaring it an "anti-Heidi/hate blog". How many times now has similar comments been made about HOF and it was immediately followed by harassing comments being sent to her? TWC has to know by now that posting those comments and not addressing inciting remarks like the "hate blog" accusations will send anons out for blood to those blogs. Obviously TWC can't directly control her anons' actions, but constantly posting these inciting comments about disagreeing blogs without calling them out while demanding HOF keeps a leash on her own anons and constantly call out even the slightest comment that could be misinterpreted comes across as hypocritical.

Additionally, that anon made the comment "HOF knows we'll keep his comments in line and USUALLY understands to keep Heidi out of things". You already addressed the consistent misgendering, but this is also strongly implying HOF can't share her own opinion without the blessings from TWC's anons, who obviously want anyone opposing their opinions to shut their mouths. And it directly says that HOF needs to "understand" to keep any comments about Heidi off her blog, those posts and submissions are explicitly not allowed by this anon. The idea of HOF needing to censor her blog to meet the standards of the anons who disagree while they get to say whatever they like is just not okay. And while TWC can't control them, the hands off approach of just posting comments like these and not addressing some very problematic phrasing but insisting HOF be held to a different standard is incredibly hypocritical and I can't take anything said on that blog seriously anymore.

This is exactly why I went to talk to TWC in private about the original misinterpretation of my anon ask. I wanted to explain the meaning so she could hopefully be reasonable and post that it wasn't meant the way an anon on her blog "suggested", and maybe it would stop the non-stop bad faith bs being sent towards HoF. But given her response, she's no different from the hateful, spiteful little shits that show up on HoF. I wouldn't be surprised if she is one. If you really look at what I said vs. how she responded you can see that she didn't post screenshots of those because she intentionally misinterpreted them.

[procancelled]

Just wondering about your thoughts on the heidiofans blog? I'm on the fence personally, they're obviously on Holly and Jared's side and VERY anti-Heidi, but then they actually defended trashwitchcoven when she was being harassed by someone who is ALSO on Holly's/Jared's side...which is weird. I have no idea what to make of that person.

I've never had any interactions with them so I can't say anything from personal experience but I do respect the fact that they defended trashwitchcoven. I don't agree with their stance on Holly and Jared. I don't think what they did is defendable in any way but I understand that sometimes when you like someone it can be hard to admit they did wrong. I also get that some people believe Jared's apology and think he will/has changed, I don't and I don't forgive him nor do I buy his apology but we all have differing opinions.

[sadoldmagician]

It says a whole lot about lolcow when they'll shuffle through all of heidiofans notes to find your replies to that blog, and then post screenshots of your replies to tear into. And they say we're the obsessed ones?

I’ve read a few of the things they have said about me. Yes, I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about. You know, someone who knows Jared well, and has met the people who were close to Jared and Heidi when they were together, and have all independently confided in me stories from that time, and they all line up. Yes, they are the ones that really figured it out. By reading tweets. Literally nothing they sling around in their little middle school bully forum is even close to the true story.

[heidi-oferrall-is-a-narcissist]

I hope whoever Heidi's crushing on searches her name and finds either your blog, HoF, or even that truth blog from when the drama started. Even if you disagree with the other blogs RE: Jared and Holly, the three of you have a lot of evidence/screenshots to show how narcissistic and even abusive Heidi has been. I'm not adding the occam blog to the list because that person rarely mentions Heidi, they have more of a beef with TWC and Lolcow than Heidi.

I doubt a casual search would find either my blog or HOF's. Neither are shared all that much, so search algorithms aren't going to favor them very well. You basically have to be searching specifically on Tumblr to find them. It's possible to come across the """truth""" blog, since that was spammed all over Twitter during its peak months, but it goes so far into making excuses for Jared and Holly and trying to twist facts to make them look innocent, even after it was proven they aren't, most people would write it off as the obsessive whiteknight blog that it is, and the points made against Heidi would be ignored when they see how hard they try to make Jared and Holly look like they did nothing wrong.

Most searches for Heidi's name will find news articles about Jared's drama, which sucks on one hand because the articles are biased to Heidi being a fully innocent victim of Jared, but I can take some solace that it goes to show no matter what she does (which let's be real, isn't much with how much she sits on her ass all day whining about people not giving her money), her entire life boils down to her divorce, and even then, she's nothing more than a tiny section of talking about the person she divorced.

[heidi-oferrall-is-a-narcissist]

Kinda sad how the other Heidi criticizing blogs won't touch this one. I agree with you that it's a clear attempt at trying to get a narcissistic high/ego boost by getting praise for a risque pic while Jared's getting shit on for it, but the other blogs are also falling for the plausible deniability you pointed out. They're hanging on the idea that "the focus is on her cat" and not that the cat is a excuse to say "Well, it's not EXACTLY like his pic, hers has a cat in it, totally different!"

The "Heidi criticizing blogs" haven't been criticizing Heidi for a long time and they'll continue to refuse criticizing her even though they advertise themselves as doing so. Whether or not they're falling for the "focus on the cat" trick, they'll never get even close to criticizing any of Heidi's behavior or actions, because they're shitting themselves scared of Heidi's whiteknights screeching tantrums at them whenever someone suggests Heidi isn't a perfect little elf queen.

[trashwitchcoven]

Really can't believe HOF is now sending his minions to harass you on his behalf. You've been nothing but polite to HOF but he returns the favor by harassing you right after you took a mental break. HOF deserves so respect or sympathy, he has to know you went through a lot and he's still using his followers as flying monkeys. HOF never should have started that hateful blog.

I don't believe HOF is sending anyone - it's just some putz with entirely too much time on his hands with little else to do than try and create conflict.

They have as much right to run their blog as I do to run mine.

I will say this again because it's apparently needed (not you specifically, Anon - just in general): I do NOT want ANYONE harassing or attacking ANYONE on my behalf. Do NOT go to anyone's page and attack them, thinking that you are doing so to defend my honor or something.

[trashwitchcoven]

HOF is kinda a lost cause they claim they want to be objective and not allow their bias to show too clearly but recently they’ve basically said how it can be interpreted many different ways when Holly clearly called Heidi unfixable and claimed she had personally witnessed her diagnosis as BPD. Whenever it’s Holly or Jared doing something wrong it’s a “very complex issue” and when it’s Heidi doing something wrong it’s suddenly very clear that she’s just a terrible person who owes them constant apologizes

I will be the first person to admit that I'm biased towards Heidi because I've been in her shoes (to that same token, though, I've also been in Holly's shoes and been "the other woman", so I can kind of see things from her side too). There's not necessarily anything WRONG with been biased, but you've got to be honest about it; There can't be any of this "playing both sides" kind of stuff, and IMO, that's what HOF tries to do too much of.

IDK, I've said it several times - HOF is free to run their blog however they see fit. I just wish they wouldn't hold themselves up as some sort of paragon of open-mindedness and unbiased opinions when it just isn't the truth.

[trashwitchcoven]

No hate at HOF, but since his blog has some recognition, SOM is obviously using it to control the narrative of Heidi/Holly/Jared. He sends "anonymous" posts trying to influence everyone that Holly/Jared are innocent and Heidi is evil while pretending it's totally not him. And it's always after Holly starts complaining on twitter. It's not HOF's fault, he's only been following the drama for about a year, w/o being there from day 1 it's hard to see how manipulative SOM can be to defend his heroes.

I will say that the anons might very well NOT be SOM, as from what I can tell, Jared/Holly’s fanbase are incredibly reluctant to acknowledge that he did shady things.  The timing is....coincidental - a very strong coincidence, but I don’t know for sure.

I do think it’s ironic that the same people who’ve came at me repeatedly to let the drama die down are the same ones who endorse Holly speaking out about it again two years later.  Like....do they not realize that both HOF and I were both mostly quiet and inactive on our blogs when the people directly involved (Holly, Jared, Heidi) had all stopped bringing it up? If they bring it up, of course people are going to voice their opinions on it and it’s all going to become a big mess again.  

For people who claim to want to move past it, they sure have no problem bringing it up over and over again.

[trashwitchcoven]

A comment came up on lolcow a few times and I'd like your input. The theory is sadoldmagician is either manipulating heidiofans into being a complete Heidi-hating Hored stan(currently HOF will defend Heidi from extreme hate) and/or SOM is using HOF and their blog to stir up drama and bring attention to his own blog where he can control the narrative more. I'm asking you instead of HOF because HOF is directly involved and I want an outside opinion of it.

Well, that’s an interesting take, though I suppose not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

From what I can tell about HOF, they’re just honestly trying to put their side out there, and while it kind of lines up with SadOldMagician’s side of things, they also point out when Jared or Holly does something incredibly out of line.  I’d hope that HOF maintains that sense of impartiality, rather than being swayed purely to one side over the other. 

As for SOM, I don’t know.  I mean, this is the grown man who said “Maybe just accept I’ve always hated the punk” about Ross just a few days before reversing course with a “Hate someone all you want, but why does anyone else need to know about it?”.  I don’t even think HE knows what’s he’s doing besides trying to convince everyone that Jared and Holly are right, Heidi is wrong, and that anyone who disagrees is clearly just trying to push them into committing suicide or something.  

I maintain that I think he’s just in it for the clout (as shown by the desperate “I’m the PJ2 MOD!! ASK THE PJ2 MOD A.K.A. ME ANYTHING!! I’VE CATSAT FOR HOLLY AND HUNG OUT WITH JARED!!” that permeates just about every single post he makes or replies to.  

[trashwitchcoven]

"You misread my post, and rather than coming to me and saying “Hey, is this what you meant?” That's literally what started this argument. You misinterpreted a gif reply from HOF as saying "yeah, you got that right", HOF clarified the intended meaning, and when an anon claimed HOF posted a "smug gif" after HOF clarified the meaning and accused the explanation as being "backtracking" you left that accusation unchecked while talking about how HOF is responsible for what anon posts go live.

“That’s literally what started this argument.  You misinterpreted a gif reply from HOF”

And I reached out to them to let them know how it came across and gave them the chance to clear it up.

“When an anon...you left that accusation unchecked”

Because I don’t know that said accusation WAS wrong.  Hell, I even said in my reply to the anon “I don��t know, Anon.  I really don’t”.  

Anon, I don’t see you jumping down HOF’s throat every time they get an anon that is negative towards me, so why would you come to me and ask that I am hyper-critical of any and all anons that I get that are negative towards them?  HOF knows that they can come to me at any time and we can have civil, rational discussions (We have done so a few times already) - If they are truly bothered by my reaction, I welcome the conversation and open dialog.  I really, really doubt that they need you to white-knight on their behalf.  

Until then, quit trying to kick up whatever imaginary drama you imagine there to be between us.  Your efforts to wag your finger in my face and chastise me for how I chose to run this blog and conduct myself says infinitely more about you than it does about me or about HOF.  

[trashwitchcoven]

I never sent anything into HOF, that screenshot is someone else. Also, when anons sent in posts irt Heidi's tweets, you said "You don’t have to publish EVERY post someone sends in, and if you choose to publish it, you can either include an addendum clarifying that you don’t necessarily agree" Which I read as "Don't post that or at least say you don't agree". (1/2)

“Which I read as”

Let me just stop you there.  You misread my post, and rather than coming to me and saying “Hey, is this what you meant?”, you thought the prime course of action was to send me now THREE separate messages, accusing me of being no better than the ones out there, trying to stir up shit.  Seriously?

“Saying ‘you’ll be associated with whatever you post’ comes across as ‘I have the greenlight to accuse you of holding that opinion’“

Would you like me to grab you a bag of ice as your arm must surely be sore from all of that reaching you’re doing.

There’s a fairly common saying here in the midwest - “If you lay down with dogs, you’re going to catch fleas”, which generally means that you don’t get to feign shock and awe when people start to think you share the opinions of those you associate with or the things you dabble in.   

Would someone be in the right to say “HOF CLEARLY believes the same things!”? No, they wouldn’t - but you couldn’t blame that person for looking at the opinions and drawing a conclusion on the fact that HOF greenlit them being posted on their blog.

“Anons sent in misinformation about HOF in the past (saying they said things they never said)”

Where? I asked for evidence and you backed it up with...more accusations of me apparently slandering HOF.

Also, for the record, anytime I fuck up, I have no issue apologizing when I realize the error.  Don’t come at me and try to say I’m out here slinging slander like it’s my full-time job when you could take your own advice and “ask for their personal opinion” rather than go off of a post that slipped past my radar.  

To sum it up, if you hate me and think me/this blog is so awful, block it and move on with your life.  Don’t pull a “Holly” and continue to seek out things that bother you and then pretend that YOU are the victim in all of this.