#Garak fully says that their relationship is over- he believes that Julian ended it
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Garak seeing Palandine again, with her daughter, is fucking agonizing but this especially-
“Watching Palandine and her daughter defy gravity with their dance of love destroyed all my definitions, and my carefully maintained boundaries began to give way, for the first time since Bamarren, to the magic of limitless possibility. I knew at that moment that I’d never be satisfied again. Even my beloved orchids looked like weeds.”
has me in shambles
#star trek: ds9#a stitch in time#elim garak#fuuuuuck me dude this is painful#and my god does it fucking track with what we know of Garak from the show#Garak knows he is never going to be satisfied#he knows there's no point in wanting or longing#but he's not strong enough to stop himself from wanting#from longing#from craving#and it will be the same later in life#when he knows he doesnt deserve the soft things#the nice things#he still won't be able to deny himself those things#he just isnt strong enough to not go for what he wants#whether or not it will satisfy him#whether or not he deserves it#we see it in his conversations with Julian throughout this book#Garak fully says that their relationship is over- he believes that Julian ended it#but he still goes to him when Julian asks him to#because he wants Julian- and you can take that in any context you want#platonically romantically sexually#he wants Julian#so even though he believes their relationship is over#he still goes#because he wants him#and he cant stop himself from going after what he wants#even if he thinks its futile
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Personally I really don't think you can make the argument that Julian is ignorant of what Garak did in the Obsidian Order past season 2. The entire point of the Wire (which happens relatively early in their relationship) is about addicts deserving care and compassion regardless of what they've done, if they're a good patient or not, or why they're addicted. The episode concept rests on Julian knowing Garak has done horrible things.
Julian fully believes the first two lies Garak tells him until he contradicts himself and says by his side. Both implicate Garak in committing heinous acts in service to the state, acts which Julian morally objects to. Even if neither is true, after that point Julian knows for certain that Garak has done objectively horrible things, because the guilt and the anger and self loathing Garak is dealing with as a result of what he did is real even if the words he uses to say what happened aren't. Julian knows what Garak did.
Julian also knows Garak is not the same person anymore (very literally Garak does not have access to power, regardless of if his morals have changed) and has no reason to think he wants to be that person again (Julian is not privy to the full details of Garak's life until after the show is over and does not know about Tain's offer in The Die Is Cast, and therefore cannot be assumed to know the only way Garak can end his exile is through agreeing to enact violence in the name of Tain/Cardassia). Julian having an amicable relationship to Garak even though he's done heinous acts isn't necessarily hypocrisy, it can very well be him simply having faith that Garak has changed as a person from the time when he was an operative (I'll also admit it can be some of both). Julian is a deeply angry, moralistic, person and a deeply compassionate one, but he also has the belief that a person can change and that no one is fundamentally violent or beyond worthy of helping- frankly to his own detriment. IDK on Federation politics exactly but I wouldn't be suprised if Julian was in favor of rehabilitative justice as opposed to punitive, given that he was upset about his father going to jail even though he really doesn't care for him and kind of considers him a murderer. A part of rehabilitation is reintegration to society, ie having friends. Belief in RJ and acting in accordance with it isn't hypocrisy and is not naive- frankly, it's really difficult to do. Even though I understand why RJ is better, its something I personally struggle with, because I am a very angry, stubborn, moralistic person and this makes me very vengeance oriented. Julian has personally seen the scars that a Cardassian interrogation leaves on a person's body. He treated them the same day he met Garak. One of his closest friends has gone through it. Again, you can look at that and say it's hypocrisy, but I don't know if it is.
#Cipher talk#Ds9#Making this it's own post bc it's a long addition and I don't want to be annoying#Anyway Julian's flaws are a reflection of his best qualities and there are multiple ways to interpret how exactly they manifest#Sloan is definitely the breaking point of his morality and internal sense of the world though#Like I a view of Julian believing in RJ? Sloan I'd the guy he csnt do that for#Hrs too passed about it. His desire to see him get what's coming to him isn't the primary factor in why Julian kidnaps him but it's not ir#Irrelevant#This is why empathy isn't enough imo and you need to have morals outside that because otherwise you'll do awful shit just because you don't#Feel bad about it. It's my favorite way of showing how compassion is complex in characters where that's a major trait
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What you leave behind (AKA i can’t stop weeping)
Okay I just binge finished DS9 and I cannot stop crying. Some thoughts as I go through the last LAST episode!
The way basically no one ends the series happier than when they started, the fact that so many people have to say goodbye, the genuine loss that Kira faces again and again, - and THEN she loses Odo? I don’t even ship them but I’m SICK of her having a broken heart. Sisko leaving linear time?? Sir don’t do that!! Come right the fuck back.
The war itself- 800 MILLION Cardassians dead?? I’M LITERALLY not over Damar’s death and then they kill millions more?? The Federation victory feels so fucking empty and it so good because it depicts how senseless war and loss and genocide is but. The scene of Admiral Ross and Sisko refusing to have a drink on Cardassia the way they had planned to show the hollowness of victory. FUCK.
Garak’s last speech about how destroyed Cardassia is and how they deserved it. The agony in his voice, the sadness- the HORROR. I mean! GOD. I’m dead. The real bitterness- I can’t believe they left Garak’s character there. BUT! That line he has about their “arrogant aggression” means that a new Cardassia really may grow into something to be proud of.
Miles and Bashir saying goodbye with a fucking angsty montage set to ‘the way you look tonight’?? The HUG!? The sad goodbye montages in general. I was actually fully weeping. That post that was like - if O’Brien was a twink everyone would have shipped them? Yeah.
I’m like... straight up hollow man. SISKO’S LAST OFFICIAL ACT WAS TO PROMOTE NOG?? I’M FUCKING!!! Gonna die.
Lol- I do like the “talk to a counselor about your annihilation fantasies” line- that’s funny AND true. Why does Julian love losing battles so much?? There has got to be something there. Maybe its the same as his chronic “i can fix them” syndrome. The only person with a stronger “I can fix them” syndrome is Ezri... maybe they DO belong together.
I also love that Kira is keeping up Odo’s antagonistic relationship with Quark. It’s so good, and it actually warmed my heart the way they’re both filling their sadness that Odo is gone by recreating the dynamic. Quark and Odo’s whole goodbye scene. Quark being sad that everyone is leaving. He’s my little guy!!
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO NO NO!!! NOT JAKE LOOKING AT THE WORMHOLE. NONONONONONONON THAT CAN’T BE THE LAST SHOW BEFORE PULLING OUT TO THE STATION. OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, OH MY AWEFIH;ASJDIFAKSDF
WHO WROTE THIS??? WHY DID THEY DO THIS FUCKING THING TO ME. AHHHHHHH. WHY WOULD THEY MAKE THE LAST GODDAMN EPISODE SO SAD. I’M!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t believe I’m done with DS9......... Is it bad if I like... immediately re-start it. I miss them already :( :( I want to see the slightly happier versions of these kids now please.
#deep space nine#star trek#st: ds9#julian bashir#kira nerys#odo#jake sisko#benjamin sisko#nog star trek#quark
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You ask for prompts and I'm here again to seek new content to read: 3. How often do/can they see each other (due to living on different planets, having stressful jobs, etc) with Gashir (/Garakshir) 🤩🤩
Eyyyyy. I am just gonna… casually fold into this… a little trans-Bashir as a treat…. because it’s trans day of visibility!!! Also I hc Cardassians as intersex, in the sense of they as a species don’t call themselves intersex, but their genders are far more loosely determined at birth, because there’s not really sexual dimorphism (or rather, there is, but it’s so many different factors that it’s not classified) and then gendering comes later in life depending on what role they’re supposed to play in society ahem – different post to make!
Also Garak has a tail in this, also casually.. also this got longer than intended… oops?
—– Letter Analysis ——
1.
Their lives have a sort of normality that many families in this day and age exist with. Space travel, careers that necessitate being off-planet for long stretches at a time, the struggles of being a representative for entire planets or systems, all of this isn’t out of the ordinary.
Still, it takes them a little while to adjust, if only because they spent so long not getting it together that now that they have, well, they want to savour it. On the flip-side their relationship functions much better than so many who enter into partnerships of some kind without fully considering the difficulties of spending so much time apart and inevitably crumble.
Because of all that time they know, without a doubt, that their lives are entwined for good, regardless of how much of it they spend without one another’s physical company.
They fall into letter-writing naturally. After all, they had been doing the same before, why stop now.
2.
It has become something of a competition at this point: who can write the longest letter. Thus far, Julian is winning and Elim is still in the process of reading his when they see one another again. He pretends to be blasé about it, but Julian can read him easily these days. He wonders at the time when he couldn’t and can’t really picture it.
While Elim is giving him a back-handed compliment at the way he’s managed to fold three words worth of content into whole paragraphs, Julian realises that he’s never known anyone as well as he knows Elim. And every detail of himself is known in turn. From the scars of his chest surgery that he purposefully kept, to the ridges at the base of Elim’s tail, it feels like everything about them was perfectly made for the other.
It’s strange, how many tiny moments are filled with love, they both learn.
(After Elim sends him a letter of 3000 pages, Julian simply answers: You win).
3.
They consider what it would be like to have a family with the way their lives are run. Elim generally lives on Cardassia unless his diplomatic duties take him elsewhere, while Julian is hopping from emergency to medical find to distress call to conference.
Still, they approach the matter on the premise that it will happen. Their letters during these years follow a trajectory of thought with little variation, as they can’t actually be together for the discussion.
They discuss pregnancy – both of them are capable of bearing a child, but the time needed (nine earth months for humans, even longer for cardassians) makes it a challenging prospect. Moreover Julian and Elim, each for their own reason, have issues with concepts surrounding an uncontrollable force fundamentally changing their bodies.
It doesn’t take them long to agree that adoption was always the only option. Still there’s the matter of their careers being incompatible with children. Neither of them wants to put a child in harm’s way and both of their careers contain elements of danger. I believe, writes Elim drily and with an underlying sadness that Julian wishes he could heal, that this sixth assassination attempt may contain a sign that a child would not be particularly safe in my company.
4.
The way this resolves itself is oddly perfect for what they need and who they are and comes through both of their continued work with mixed-species war-orphans, who more often than not are homeless, ostrasized and suffering from any number of easily treatable diseases. Garak opens a series of institutions in the name of Ziyal and habitually lends a hand in their various gardens where he befriends a number of the kids.
This plan also works to ground a lot of Julian’s focus in the space of mixed-species research, specifically writing papers on the future of the galaxy needing to see species integration for the sake of these kids as an inevitability as cultures mix and to understand the medical and cultural implications thereof.
Kira and Ro get heavily involved on the Bajoran side of things – in general a bunch of adults from DS9 days come together to give kids a better chance than they had.
Beyond that though, they come to realise that they’re okay on family. With these kids – many of whom they get to know personally over the years – with Molly and Yoshi O'Brien and Rebecca Sisko getting older and the two of them functioning as uncles, there’s more than enough for them to be getting on with on the children front: Elim and I were very happy to see you all again – Don’t worry, I’ll keep Yoshi safe – we’ll be making a stop at Bajor where Nerys is very excited to see him again –
Their circle is actually a sizeable, cross-galaxy household. They come to realise that it doesn’t matter if your family is someone you can’t see often, what matters is they’re all inhabiting the same space.
5.
They don’t argue often. With the lack of time they have together, what would be the point of raising petty squabbles. There are things like the time Julian forgot about a very important dinner that Elim was a guest of honour at, which opened up a box of the kind of loneliness Elim thought he’d overcome, but it wasn’t about anger or arguing, it was about the two of them figuring out that sometimes this not seeing one another was actually damned hard. It was about asking for forgiveness and receiving it even before the asking. It was about making sure that they wouldn’t let things ever be unsaid, because their time together – comparative to their whole lives – was always going to be so short.
The actual worst long-standing consequence is that Elim and Julian are political celebrities, and so whatever tabloid-equivalent exists publishes one thousand pieces on their apparently irreconcilable relationship. Julian finds himself referred to as everything from a “heartthrob who found he needed more,” to “a cheater who habitually has several affairs at once.”
It’s amazing, remarks Elim in his latest letter, how these kinds of spurious articles are written even today, and how they still don’t seem to know the facts. On that note I hope you have a wonderful time with Data, and Parmak sends his love from my lap - it’s making it very hard to write this.
6.
They’re both twenty years older by now, but things aren’t slowing down with their work by the looks of things. Julian’s work centres more and more on the various groups whose medical needs are considered less valid or even non-medical, because of their social status and who often have medical issues of kinds that don’t come up in normative societies – mixed-species, augments, A.I. (for awhile his standing suffers, when he argues that mechanical needs for A.I. ought to be taught in Starfleet Medical), non-bipedal species, Ex-B’s, Jem'Hadar, clones.
Elim keeps his Carrington Award on the wall for everyone to see. Partly to mess with him – To The Prestigious Winner of the CA – many of his letters begin for several years after, but mostly out of pride.
(In return and with as much love, Julian addresses him as Ambassador and Castellan – the joke evolves as they find ever more flowery titles for one another. Julian wins this one: My Dearest, the Ambassador to the United Federation of planets, Castellan of the Cardassian Union, Blusher when Being Whispered Compliments about the Length of Your Tail, Not-So-Secret Reader of Austen and Pratchett, Seducer of Doctors (No Doubt Currently Spluttering in Denial), Possessor of Biteable Ridges (Blushing Again, I Hope) and of My Heart… this opening continues a further four pages. The letter itself reads: I expect to land on Cardassia within the next three days. Surprise.)
7.
At the end of it all, Julian finally comes to Cardassia for good. Along the way it’s become his home more than any planet, station, starship, or system, for the simple fact that he’s been returning to Elim, and Elim is home.
There’s a strangeness to all the time they have. The walks they take, the languid mornings, the discussions of books they’ve read whilst in each other’s company, it’s all far more surreal than the years spent wanting to see one another again and catching whatever moments they could.
They can’t shake the habit of writing one another letters, even as they’re sitting in the same room. They don’t need to be long or well-formed any more, although occasionally silly competitions spring up, just for fun.
The one Julian’s reading right now, as Elim’s tail languidly curls around his waist, simply says: I am glad that you’re finally home – E
–— The End ——
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here are collected ds9 thoughts so far
looooooove that sisko invites everyone over for dinner nights where he cooks family recipes. like what the fuck that’s so sweet?
i think ‘the visitor’ really chewed me up because it’s so clear that sisko only wants jake to be happy and understands him and jake just loves his dad too much to really understand that fully. when jake is like 80 years old and sisko shows up and says ‘jake’ really softly like he’s still a kid and then just smiles watching him sleep a little bit more before waking him up... like oh man
okay also unexpected father/son relationship i love: rom and nog? like it was really intense when nog was like ‘i KNOW my dad is intelligent and capable but he just never had the right chance and i don’t want that for myself’ and then for rom to be soooo proud of him like to buy him a starfleet uniform and present him to everyone at the bar...... like that’s so cute what the fuck
hating quark and loving quark is really like the swinging pendulum of emotion
i love when the ferengi’s very accurately dunk on human history... like ‘they irradiated their own planet?’ quark is like ‘why would i trust any of you when for some reason i’m informed about pre-warp earth history’ and? he’s right
oh god another thing in the visitor episode... seeing it from jake’s POV was so great bc we only got small glimpses of how everyone else felt and i think that was more powerful... like to see dax comforting jake but to also know she is like overwhelmed just by the way she’s staring off in the distance. KIRA GIVING A EULOGY. i was mad at the writer girl because i was like bitch how are you not fully breaking down right now like FEEL AN EMOTION
kira trying to comfort sisko and realizing they’re work friends but not FRIEND friends and apologizing for pushing the emissary thing on him and then at the end of the episode he invites her to baseball and she’s SO happy
i’m not super strongly attached to odo but every time someone’s mean to odo i’m like ‘hey back off. stop’. him and garak not having any kind of relationship except annoying each other and then garak is still really desperately trying to protect him from the obsidian order without seeming desperate was???? really touching and unexpected? and odo reaching out to be breakfast friends
‘our man bashir’ and garak is like ‘THIS is what you do instead of hang out with me??????’
julian idealizing and fantasizing about being james bond/hypermasculine and implications that he likes passive women is so funny because he’s not like that at all... in a good way... julian you’re a very gentle natural healer with unlimited empathy for everyone and you get pegged, embrace that
that scene where quark opens the orb case and the nagus’s head is inside glowing and like laughing.... was SO outrageous and funny to me like i can’t stop thinking about the visual and wallace shawn just going ‘AHHHHHHH!’
THE GAY WORM EPISODE... seeing jadzia dax almost in tears and like really vulnerable when she’s usually confident was so much. and she’s only really like that with sisko and sometimes your uncle figure is a 27 year old woman who is sometimes also like your bi daughter. i was really grateful that it was clear jadzia loved her and not just ‘my past man self loved your past woman self’ like as individuals they were really going through it
ZIYAAAAALLLLL i know what happens to her and i hate it (dead and kisses garak??????? nightmare) but i love her... i love disney princess cardassian, in my heart of hearts i’m already in denial and she’s alive and in love with jake’s dreamy impractical poet ass and it’s very inconvenient for sisko but he really likes her and approves
jadzia always getting dragged on klingon quests and being like ‘haha yeah i love it!’ and then later being like ‘hm. this isn’t going well’. worf is such a fucking hallway monitor?????
i think that merchant that quark got stranded with in that one ep in season 4 and they bonded was like... quark left that experience and was like ‘well my nephew is leaving for college... there’s probably a war soon... i guess i’ll just??? EXPLORE THE IDEA I’M BI?’ and is just having that on the backburner in all the following eps like i GET THAT VIBE
realized i like miles so much because he sounds like sam gamgee
truly unbelievable that a bajoran woman loved gul dukat but okay writers you’re the same people who want me to believe that garak is straight so like i guess i can’t say i expect anything from you
#all my star trek posts are just that vine of one person playing a boombox and three people down below dancing#but it's just me and katie#star trek blogging#and me in the future wanting to revisit my own thoughts
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Okay I wasn’t planning on doing a DS9 rant post but here it is, under the cut in case I get annoying about DS9 and romance and Julian in particular
Okay, so I swear, the writers went into the show with this idea that Julian Bashir was gonna be this fresh-out-of-med-school brilliant, attractive doctor with charm to spare and something like this ladies’ man kinda attitude. Maybe (hopefully) not that sleazy, but still. And then it didn’t really work in season 1 in regards to Jadzia, so they dropped that storyline (thank fuck).
But then it’s so weird when I think they’re trying to kinda keep it alive through the show, except it literally never really works quite right? Even though the DS9 writers are legitimately good with writing the other romances on the show?? Kira and Odo? Absolutely adorable, I would die for them. Jadzia and Worf? Who would’ve that that’d work? Not me! But I’d die for them too!
(Yes, all of these characters have other romantic interests at times, some good - like Lenara Kahn - and others less so - Bareil is really boring and Lwaxana Troi DID NOT need to be there - but they also get these fantastic long-term stories)
Meanwhile, for my favorite doctor? I might be missing some but here’s what I could think of whilst typing: Melora was...sorta forgettable (I forgot about the episode until I was just scrolling through all of them). Technically fine but...forgettable. Leeta...honestly I never understood this pairing. I legitimately don’t remember ever seeing them get together on screen; best I recall, they were just together one day and we were supposed to just accept it. Which...whatever, I’m not a fan, and this pairing did nothing for either of them. Serena, I actually liked; they were cute together in that one episode, but at the same time I’m torn because I truly believe the writers made the right choice in that she had to experience the world for herself. For all the cuteness, I much prefer her discovering her own self-worth and think that’s better for her as her own character.
And then. There’s Dax. The first couple seasons? Awkward as fuck. No thanks. But then him and Jadzia become like, best science buddies! And he painfully third-wheels for her date with Lenara in Rejoined! And it’s like “wow now that’s true friendship right there”. And I loved that relationship so much! We watched Julian grow up a lot since the pilot, and honestly, him becoming best friends with Jadzia matched that change really well. Going from this kinda juvenile crush and strange persistence to a much more mature friendship. I mean, there’s one episode (which I can’t place at the moment) where there’s some crisis on the station and they’re hiding somewhere, she’s hurt, and they’re both freezing. And he’s holding her, and she makes some comment on how past-him would’ve used this as an opportunity to try and spark something between them. But present-him isn’t like that anymore, and watching as the audience, there truly isn’t weird romantic tension between them. It’s intimacy and familiarity and comfort without the weight of romance. And it’s perfect.
But then all of a sudden, the back half of season 6 starts happening, and apparently he’s always loved her? And it’s like...where did this come from?? You were doing so well, writers, what happened?? It just...suddenly brought back all the awkwardness of season 1, except at least this time, he’s not acting on it. So instead it’s just weirdly angsty and 100% out of left field. (Also Quark loves her, which is random but less concerning to me cause at least it wasn’t reviving an abandoned plot point, like with Julian) (The Quark point isn’t relevant, but I just felt like saying it)
And that whole thing just put the biggest pit in my stomach, cause I knew about Ezri joining them in season 7 and I was just like “nooo pleeeease don’t get him together with Ezri”
Apparently I just live to be disappointed.
Full disclosure, I actually haven’t fully watched the scene where they get together, but my roommate did end up coming upon a scene of them together in bed, and I’m not that stupid. Bonus: I’m about 6 away from the end, and that in itself is kinda concerning, because now I’m double concerned that it’s gonna be rushed even worse than I thought it would. Because, as of now, she has had barely any contact with Julian, outside of just being part of the senior staff (aka being a main character). I can honestly only actively remember them having one conversation, which just existed for her to say that if Worf hadn’t shown up, then Jadzia would’ve chosen Julian. Which...okay...what now? Worf didn’t show up until season 5, wtf is this about? If Jadzia was actually in love with Julian, she would’ve done something about it. Jadzia Dax is NOT passive about what she wants, and it’s what makes her such a joy to watch. She’s even willing to act against her own culture out of her love for Lenara, despite hesitation because yeah, that’s a lot of risk. She’s willing to leave her friends to be with the dude she met in that weird world that blipped between universes. She acts with her heart and without fear, even in situations where there are barriers stopping her from doing what she wants. There was never such a barrier with her and Julian, so yeah, no, if she’d wanted him - truly wanted him - she would’ve gone for it.
The scene only exists for them to try and justify putting him together with Ezri, and it SUCKS on every conceivable level.
(Also yes, I know they have some other, normal conversations, but they’re never particularly interesting or impactful, so I don’t remember them, and that probably says something in and of itself)
For one, their lack of conversation and just...general shared screentime is so small that I can’t buy the idea that the two of them actually know each other that well. Even if they did bond off-screen, thus far, the show itself never actually gives any evidence of that while they ARE on screen. They have the same level of chemistry that Julian and Kira should have (although, strangely, the characters have much better chemistry than their screentime would seem to indicate but...well they were married IRL so...yeah). Friendly colleagues, but that’s really it. And yet, he’s gonna fall in love with her?
I don’t think so.
He’s in love with Jadzia (apparently. but that’s a different complaint, seen above). He’s in love with a past life of the Dax symbiont. That past life just happens to be contained now within Ezri, and it’s the only conceivable reason I have for why he’s interested in her at all. Realistically, had Ezri Tegan never become Ezri Dax, I doubt Julian would’ve had the same thoughts about her. Granted, people can meet by circumstance and fall in love - I’m not shitting on that idea - and I’m not implying that Julian is a dick by any means, but the show itself doesn’t give us any reason that he would fall for her. Like...what traits of Ezri does Julian find himself attracted to, aside from the fact she was once Jadzia? I don’t think the show ever actually gives any answer to that question. She may carry some shades of Jadzia’s habits and idiosyncrasies and such, because that’s how joined Trill work, but she’s also very much still Ezri. And, for the sake of her character, that should be really important? So, frankly, it’s actually just...really insulting to Ezri? That she’s not loved for who she is, but who the Dax host was. And that’s honestly just awful.
And I actually just thought of this while writing this post and complaining about that one conversation, but it also sucks for Julian a bit, too? Like, the way Ezri phrases that one line - “If Worf hadn’t come along, it would’ve been you” - it feels to me like he was very much the second choice. And...would that not feel awful to be told that? Basically that you were someone else’s back-up plan. I mean, I can’t speak from experience, but I can’t imagine that feels good. And plus, now he knows that Jadzia apparently had those feelings for him, which Ezri now carries with her. Which...wouldn’t something about that just feel wrong? These aren’t Ezri’s feelings exactly; she’s just stuck with them. And Julian is fundamentally a good person who has some idea of how the Trill work; wouldn’t this be a little like he’s...not quite using her, but allowing her to act on feelings that aren’t actually, truly hers? So the situation ends up being that she might not really love him, not as Ezri, and that would really suck for both of them.
Granted, that’s not to say she couldn’t decide that on her own; she totally could, but the show hasn’t laid the groundwork for that. And it’s also not to discredit feelings that linger from past hosts. Jadzia and Lenara are drawn to each other because of Torias and Neilani, but they also do legitimately fall in love with the people they are now and bond over their shared interests in their present forms. Honestly, the show even makes this distinction? When Ezri and Worf are stuck together, they definitely sleep together, but the show makes it fairly clear that it’s pent up tension from the two of them not talking, combined with the fact he and Jadzia were newly married. I’m pretty sure they decide it’s not really something to pursue; it was just what happened out of old instincts, not out of actual love between the two people actually involved.
Mostly, I take issue because of the first sentence of that last paragraph. The show just never sets it up. If it showed her and Julian having chemistry, I’d have far fewer complaints about this. (For fuck’s sake, I think she had a deeper conversation with JORAN. THE MURDERER. Than she really did with Julian. Now that’s a problem)
Long story short: they really shouldn’t have kept trying to shoe-horn romance in for Julian. All of his stories work better without, particularly in the long-term. The chemistry is just...never there with his long-term potential partners the writers throw at him. He really does have the best chemistry with Miles and Garak. That’s all fantastic.
(Which is to also say: I get that it was the 90s but I really wish we could’ve gotten our disaster bi doctor and his lizard spy boyfriend. Just saying)
#from the mind of niennavalier#ds9#did this turn into a long way to justify julian and garak?#a little#but im also annoyed#oh and to clarify#i dont speak from experience comes from the fact im very much not in a relationship#and never have been#just wanted to make sure im not coming off like im so perfect or something#im not#im the biggest dumbass i know and its fun#oh also i just thought of this but dont wanna reformat my rant#but the scene where ezris like#oh my god im in love with julian#and its such a surprise to her#its like#same#im also surprised#where is this coming from#tbh id think it was ironic if not for the fact she and julian are apparently gonna sleep together#also fun fact#my brother wanted to start a podcast of the two of us talking about random shit#with side series we do separated about whatever we want#he wants to do cars#and im like what do i do?#tv reactions??#and decided maybe i will#record my reaction to the two of them together#which will probably just be eternal screaming#but still
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Odo and Garak for the situations ask?
Fake dating/marrieds: there are two options. one is that odo is excruciatingly uncomfortable and people start taking garak aside to give him unwanted relationship advice for his fake marriage, or they slip odo cards with a divorce lawyer’s name on. garak finds this hilarious at first but, because it’s garak and he is a vain vain man, quickly becomes appalled at how everyone assumes odo has fallen out of love with him and he’ll be left heartbroken. maybe he’s moved on to greener pastures, guys, didja think of that?alternatively, and maybe less likely, garak is for once determined to properly be a good friend to odo, who in fairness has always been a good friend to him, and not do anything that might push his boundaries. odo on the other hand is a noir detective in his heart of hearts and immediately gets super into the roleplay/disguise element, and is surprisingly good at playing the part (because playing the part is what odo has been pressured to do for as long as he’s been conscious and self-aware).either way, it’s not what people expect it to be, and it’s sort of hilarious.
Bodyswap: odo uses his security codes to turn up the temperature in his room, breaks it, and causes environmental problems. o’brien gets pissed off with him, then figures out why and is sympathetic, and then goes right back to pissed off because garak has turned into goo to get into places he shouldn’t and hear things he shouldn’t, and o’brien just found him in his goddamn alamo replica.
Telepathy: ANGST. angst happens. probably they bond over having daddy issues, but resolutely pretend not to be able to hear each other’s thoughts because they are stubborn pieces of shit who Don’t Do Sadness.
OH NO only one bed at the hotel: odo doesn’t use a bed so this is maybe not an issue. if it’s during the humanoid!odo time though, i can see a cuddling-for-warmth scenario arising. only they refuse to call it cuddling and come up with completely absurd periphrastic overcomplicated bullshit to make it sound like Serious Stuff that was unavoidable and doesn’t mean they’re friends or anything.
Accidental time-travel: oh jeez. i mean, probably the awkward bisexual disaster that is teenage garak turns up, right? that is generally the best use of time travel. no matter who he runs into he develops a crush, because it’s practically asit!canon that that is garak’s whole thing at that age. just crushing on everyone in the entire goddamn galaxy.alternatively, an au of ‘things past’, in which odo’s unresolved guilt about the things he did/allowed while an unwitting/uninformed semi-collaborator is actually addressed. if anyone’s in a position to talk to him frankly about Doing What You Gotta and not feeling worse about it than you have to, it’s sisko and garak. sisko, because he’s a good person and a bit of a martyr, might make odo feel worse, though he’s self-aware and empathetic enough not to do it as much as he could. garak, i imagine, could find the words to make odo feel more okay with what he’s done (if only because he knows that garak wouldn’t just say these things to make him feel better, though actually that’s 100% what garak is doing).
Their first kiss: hmmmmmm. can kinda see it happening near the end of ‘the die is cast’, just after they escape the trap laid by the founder, both of them very confused and not totally okay with what’s going on. but that’s not going to have been a great first kiss, so maybe… okay, a few options:a) they hang out a lot while garak’s in jail, because i don’t remember if it was ever clarified but if garak was in jail on ds9 that is potentially horrific, the holding cells we see on the show are tiny and have no privacy; hopefully a longer-term cell would be nicer but either way leaving that aside it’d mean he was spending a lot of time with odo. if he was in jail on a different station, which would prbably mke more sense, i like to think odo would still visit him pretty often, maybe even more than julian because i think odo ‘gets’ him more but relates to the lying etc less, which makes it easier for him to sympathise than julian, who empathises a lot but pretends he doesn’t and wishes that he didn’t. anyway they get really close over that time and when garak gets out they have excruciatingly awkward small talk and then a ‘uhh, hey, so… how ya feel bout… touching mouths…’ and then they smooch.b) also sad: when garak and kira realise odo’s dying just after they all leave for cardassia prime. everyone’s poly and that’s not an issue. odo is dying and that is an issue.c) they discuss odo’s awful romance/smut novels and the terrible descriptions therein, and it quicly comes up that odo’s never really kissed anyone before, so garak offers to help him get some experience, fully expecting it to be taken as a joke (as intended!), but odo’s like ‘yeah actually i do need some practice? this is one of those solid things?’ and……. the obvious fanfic ensues.d) the episodes ‘my way’ and ‘our man bashir’ mesh perfectly into one episode where they are both nerds in tuxedos who make out in an early/mid-20th century themed holosuite.
Meeting the parents: this has happened on one side already. i like to think that garak would be very very cutting to dr mora, with no reservations about how he has to be nice to odo’s ‘dad’ and not cause problems in their already fraught relationship. also probably sabotage several little things to make sure that his stay on ds9 is awful, though nothing that’d actually damage him. probably. maybe a lot of ‘accidental’ electric shocks from ‘accidental’ wiring faults, though. turnabout’s fair play.
Moving in together: odo puts his bucket in garak’s room. garak tucks several blankets and a space heater under the desk in odo’s office. DOMESTIC AS FUCK.
A crossover of my choice: oh boy. okay, let’s take some creative license here, cause this is sort of more of an au, but… white collar. odo as the dedicated and sort of boring-seeming cop with a strong sense of justice and commitment to law & order, but who in his heart believes that people really can be redeemed, and also kind of grudgingly admires criminals like master forger & art thief garak, who is so fucking talented and creative and twisty-mindedly a genius, and who seemingly by coincidence takes care not to put anyone’s wellbeing on the line if they’re just trying to make a living and haven’t done anything to deserve it. together, they solve crimes (and drink a lot of wine).
An au of my choice: again, i have such a fondness for the white collar au i was just talking about, though i don’t think i’d really considered it in any depth before just now, other than ‘oh hey, this neal guy reminds me of garak, and if he’s garak then i guess this superficially by-the-book but secretly-a-loose-cannon cop is probably odo’. i love this au now.but because that wasn’t exactly a crossover i feel like i’ve gotta be really strict and come up with a canonverse au for this one. so, either:a) dominion!odo au, where odo rejoins the link willingly the first time he meets them back in ‘the search’, and for the rest of the series is a semi-enemy who genuinely believes the founders can impose order on chaotic and harmful forces like cardassian expansionism and prevent atrocities like those that that happened on bajor from happening again. this brings him into conflict with the regular ds9 crew, obviously, though those conflicts never come to violence because both odo and the rest of the ds9 crew realise that the other has good intentions and they don’t want to hurt each other because they’re friends. garak has no such qualms - anything that might jeopardise cardassian interests, no matter how well-intentioned (and no matter how badly-intentioned he thinks the current cardassian government might be), is fuckin’ going down. this could be a very long fic with a lot of drama where everything turns out okay, or it could be a short one where, lbr, garak fucking dies because he tried to kill an entire planet of near-invulnerable shapeshifters, again.or b) deep dish nine, the One True AU in every niner’s heart. my initial thinking is that this hypothetical fic would relate to odo being involved in an ongoing attempt to shut down a drug operation in the neighbourhood, which he did not realise that that odd but strangely easy to talk to tailor who lives in the basement was involved with. either he talks to garak (who has probs already been talking to julian about this whole Drug Problem Sitch) and convinces him to help with the sting, or he doesn’t find out until the middle of a raid or something. again, this one could end well or it could end badly. i like to think it ends well.
If you like, another trope/scenario of your choice: i mentioned it earlier but it’s canon that odo reads a lot of terrible smut (despite being probably ace, which perhaps surprisingly is not an uncommon combination, even though it’s not an intuitive one at all). and it’s semi-canon (thanks, andy) that garak is a hopeless romantic, a bisexual disaster, kind of kinky, and (full canon now) v into reading as a form of escapism. so, their breakfasts together definitely end up being a second replimat-book-club for garak, only in this one they might pretend it’s Highbrow Literature but genuinely all they discuss is like, bad housewife erotica. they know it’s garbage but they also both unironically love it. (quark overhears more than he wants to but like hell is he telling them that since breakfast time is quiet he can overhear certain frequencies if he’s near the exit of his bar - which he is, more often than he needs to be these days. he’s not suicidal enough to try blackmailing either odo or garak without a damn good reason, but having some material on them doesn’t hurt).
#ds9#everythingandanythingisgood#long post for ts#odo#elim garak#this is such a late reply i'm so sorry#i reblogged a ton of ask games right before being busy for weeks because i'm dumb and i thought i'd think out my replies on the train or bu#i didn't i just completely forgot about them#i'm sorry! here's a reply like three weeks late i hope it helps
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