#Frank Gallagher opinion

[em-harlsnow]

there’s a huge difference between the way frank and terry were as parents and i’m not just talking about the ‘levels’ of abuse.

so we see that frank has his ‘good father’ moments with most of the kids. we don’t see it with ian or lip, but we see it with the other kids. we see how carl idolises him when he’s young and thinks frank is trying to save him by shaving his head when frank said he had cancer. we see how debbie adores him when frank ends up in mexico and how frank completely ruins that. we see how fiona sometimes shares these moments with her father where you can tell she loves him and cares about him, no matter what he’s done.

and then there are the very few moments when frank does actually seem like a good dad. like when he took the fall for some of carl’s drug things with the police. and when he was sober for a week and making everything fun and happy. there are probably a couple more that i can’t think of right now.

but all that makes it SO much worse when frank fucks up again. it’s as if every time he does something shitty it’s a huge shock to everyone. you can see the complete surprise and devastation on fiona’s face when she finds out it was frank who called CPS (maybe she didn’t think he’d stoop so low, but still) and when he called out sean at her wedding. you can see the anger when frank ruined debbie’s school project and the shock for everyone when frank headbuts ian.

we know frank has been an awful parent for a while, based on fiona’s stories in court and ian’s stories about being locked in the basement, but every time it’s a bit of a horrible surprise because he does good things every once in a while. it’s so sad, because lip says that he didn’t know frank would go back to his usual shittiness when he got sober again when lip was a kid.

terry was very different though. we don’t know as much about how he was when mickey and mandy and the others were kids, but we know a little. so, terry was much more physically abusive than frank was, and had fewer ‘good father’ moments. therefore, none of his kids were surprised at anything he did. mickey isn’t shocked when terry brings svetlana round, he thought terry would actually kill him.

so it’s hard in a different way, because then terry will every so often drop in a little compliment. like when mickey says that terry was ‘proud’ when he caught a knife. and when terry tells mickey he could’ve been a good son. it’s these stupid compliments which leave the kids constantly begging for that positive attention no matter how awful he is.

the bar is at a constant low for terry, so the highs seem more amazing. for frank, i think the bar is at a low as well, but slightly higher because he’s not constantly abusing the kids, he’s more neglectful, and frank has more peaks in his ‘goodness’ which make him so much worse when he has the awful moments.

frank leaves his kids with hope for a good future when he’s sober, which is always disappointed. terry leaves his kids with a constant feeling of needing to be better as they strive for his approval.

frank is inconsistent, which hurts a lot, and terry is consistent with a few sick compliments about what should be considered bad behaviour in his kids.

i don’t know if this made much sense, but i wanted to blab about the different styles of abuse and emphasises the fact that frank is made MORE awful by the ‘good’ things he does for his kids, not less awful.

[magedoesstuff]

I would like to thank Mickey Milkovich for introducing me to the phrase "(well) fuck you very much." Because this has become a part of my daily vocabulary and I'm not complaining.

[m4ndysk4nkovich]

shameless unpopular opinions:

(i post these a lot but now here’s a ton of them together because as you can tell, i am very opinionated lol)

season 10/11 have a lot of gallavich in them, and they’re so fucking amazing in those seasons, but 10/11 are definitely not the best gallavich seasons because they’re a bit more boring (not very boring but kind of), the best gallavich seasons were 3, 4, 5, and 7.

fiona’s worst season was season 7, and that one scene at the table where she asked everyone to put her at the bottom of their emergency contact lists/told them that the squirrel fund was returning wasn’t “iconic” it sucked and was literally her neglecting carl and debbie. her best season’s were season’s 1 and 2 (i like her in every season those were just the best).

season 6 carl/white boy carl was awful. he was sometimes funny, yeah, but carl was the best in literally every other season but that, especially in 1, 3, 4, 7, and 11.

i get that he was closeted and had to hide his feelings away, but mickey treated ian like shit in seasons 1-3. but in 4-11 he (mostly) treated him amazingly.

lip is so much worse than debbie.

sheila shouldn’t have dated jody and she shouldn’t have taken hymie.

ian and debbie were the only one’s that monica loved, but really only ian.

frank did more damage to monica than she did to him.

kev and v weren’t ready for kids.

i wish that sierra and lip had ended up together, but tami was the only girlfriend of lip’s who didn’t let lip walk all over her. regardless, i think she was a rebound who he stayed with just because of her pregnancy.

they should’ve killed svetlana and jimmy-steve off instead of giving them stupid endings.

thinking realistically, yev is probably not mickey’s kid. but thinking with shameless logic, he probably is.

debbie isn’t the best character necessarily, but she is one of the top 5 (or maybe 3) best written shameless characters and people don’t awknolege her enough.

every. single. character. deserved better. even your least favorite characters, like sammi or karen or debbie.

chuckie deserves literally no hate. the thing people hate most about him is his mother, but that’s unfair because literally every shameless character i can think of off the top of my head has mommy issues.

sandy was in the wrong in the break up with her and debbie.

debbie should’ve gotten some help during/after her pregnancy. yes, actions have consequences, blah blah blah, but she was still just a kid.

lip fucking sucked in season 11 and i just wanted to give debbie a big hug the entire time. idc about what she did, fuck lip for trying to sell/pretty much destroying, a house that he had no rights to whatsoever.

liam was treated like absolute dog shit.

no way in hell are fiona and lip straight. they’re both bi in my mind.

[ovulatingwatermelon]

Idk if this is an unpopular opinion (probably is) but I love Frank's mum.

Don't get me wrong she was an awful mum but she was actually trying to be a good grandma. She tried so hard to make up for not being there for her grandkids and I think that's lovely. That and she's a brutally honest asshole. Grammy Gallagher for the win guys.

(She's still an asshole though)

[kandyzee]

Fiona gallagher and pretty privilege

I think fiona is a great example of how being an attractive white woman can really help shape the way people interpret or misinterpret people's actions, and I've never seen someone talk in depth about it before.

I think one of the main things that stand out to me regarding the way fiona looks is how she is so often boxed into the character type of "sad girl victim." What I mean by that is that people view her as this young woman corrupted by sadness. She's cursed by her environment, and everything she does is okay because of that. Fionas story is undeniably sad, but she isn't always the victim, and despite everything she's gone through, she can mess up. I don't think shameless allows for these kinda characters cause their faults are always portrayed so strongly. Typically, u see teen girls grouped in together, like cassie and effy from skins, Tracy from thirteen. Even a younger character like Debbie isn't as frequently put into this box. Debbie has a devastating story, too. They both have scenes crying and breaking down. Vees heartbreaking storylines of believing she was infertile or having to help her brother her whole childhood are never touched on. People don't see Vee as a 'sad girl victim.' And too me this is because, put simply, fionas pale skin and big puppy dog eyes look better next to lana del rey lyrics then the others do. Fionas sadness and struggle is romanced into something desirable. We see fiona be 'desired' sexually/romanticly many times throughout the show. I think there's something to be said about the way people's admiration for fionas physical body leads them to admire her mental state, even if it's inherently negative at times.

I'm not saying fiona is undeserving of sympathy or in any way trying to downplay her struggles just because she's white and more conventionally attractive. However, I do think it's these traits that make people disregard her wrongdoings where they wouldn't with other characters.

Again, using v and Debbie as examples, their parenting is scrutinised to a much higher degree than fionas, even though fiona is the one who makes the most mistakes. People will in the same breath crisis Debbie for leaving franny with Frank and defend fiona for leaving coke out for liam to find. Realistically, people should be firm on the belief that Debbie's action here isn't as bad. Franny has a fun day out with her grandad, and Liam almost dies. From what I've seen tho a large number of people don't have this opinion. Why does fiona get more grace ? Because she's more conventionally attractive than Debbie!! (Not saying Debbie isn't attractive) Fiona with her slim body, full lips, sharp jaw line are much easier to forgive than Debbie's rounder face, red hair and freckles. V gets called a 'bad mother' most when she is going through postpartum depression. She has an extremely valid reason to be distant with her children. Still, when fiona acts unkindly towards Debbie when she's pregnant, it's fi who gets more leeway. Both v and fiona are extremely attractive, so why does fiona get away with more ?? Because people sympathise more with the white women. Fionas pretty privilege is only intensified by the fact she has white privilege also.

I might make a part two on this cause I think I have more to say, but this is it for now. I had never really thought about this before a couple of weeks ago, so my opinion isn't as defined and solid as it normally is. Can u tell ??

[iangallagherisadeadman]

shameless hot takes

i kind of dig the way lip ended up as a failure. i know a lot of people hate what the show did to him, how he never lived up to his potential (the same way they do it to rory gilmore) but like. that happens. lifes just like that. sometimes people who have had everything to live with grandiosity end up ruining everything up, and lips life was HARD and it SUCKED so him failing its kind of expectable i think. and its not like lips life ended, mans not even 30 and hes not just smart hes a genius, he will end up turning the table and coming straight to the top, i believe so.

frank doesn't love his children. i know people like to think frank was somewhat nice sometimes and that he was troubled but he loved the gallaghers his own way but i dont think he really did. he didnt even knew them. he was just too selfish and a narcissist and not even once a "act of love" was genuine or didnt have a gain for him or was somewhat for his benefit or interest.

of all plots, i believe gay jesus was the worst. i tried to remeber every other plot of the show and dont get me wrong the frank and his buddy pal mickey oshea SUCKED and i love ian hes my favorite character but what the fuck was that. the idea is really nice but it took so long to convey this arc of mania of him and it just was really badly written and executed and later it doesn't have importance to the plot. no surprise cameron monaghan wanted to skip shameless after that.

gallavich is not a healthy goal relationship. i mean yeah, they do love each other and they are good to each other, and i will excuse them for all the shit they did as teenagers cause they seemed to forgive each other and grow from it and i dont think they knew best but as adults they dont fucking communicate and mick broke ians leg like common. also most of time ian just seems to regret having married mick is really frustrating. i genuinely dont understand how that happened cause gallavich was all the writes had to milk and serve for the last seasons and they still fucked it up.

debbie is a rapist. she just is. just like sheila is too, i believe, and frank, and mandy, and jody, and estefania (i dont think jimmysteve is tho). they practiced nonconsensual sex and thats rape, end of story. i know the deborah debate is kind of hot ground and everybody has a different opinion about it cause she was young and didnt have the proper sex ed. but she did it not once, but twice AFTER facing consequences and getting to educate herself about what she did and why that was wrong, and i believe she would do it again if she had the motivation like she did on those circumstances. not saying matty or derick were cool guys, fuck them, matty wanted to go out with an underage girl when he met debbie and he kept going out with her after knowing she was much younger than he first thought and derick know that having sex can lead to having a baby and he and his family should have tried to be better to franny, but still they didnt deserved to by lied and abused by deb.

the gallaghers house should be debbie and carl's to decide what to do. the house is in fionas name, that much is true, but it is clear they kept contact with fiona at the begging of season 10 as she calls debbie to know about freddie and at that hall of fame episode too, so that much wouldn't be a problem. also, as fiona left, she left debbie in charge of the house's finances, and i believe the responsibility of what to do with the house is left with debbie too. i dont think fiona would be thrilled with the wouse being sold but she moved on and if her siblings are up to moving on too i dont think she would be opposed to it. that said, she would let the house deed on debbies hand i believe. taking up the fact that debbie is a mom with a little child and no other place to live, the fact she doesnt want to sell the house is comprehensible and i dont think any other gallagher can say its not, even more so lip. they tried to make the decision voting, letting the majority determinate what to do, but i dont think thats fair since lip could very easily get a house to himself and ian and mickey too, they had the money. now, about carl, is simply cause he paid for the house, therefore he should had a say on it. season 6, when the house was going to be sold, no other Gallagher than fiona was really trying to make to money to buy it. when she couldnt, carl saved the day and gave the money, and fiona was reluctant but she had no other option than to accept it, otherwise they would lose the house. even though the house is in fionas name like she likes to make it very clear, it is carls, and if he wanted to he could have put it in someone elses name, not lip cause he's in debt cause of the credit cards he has gotten to pay college, but he could have made it ians or anyone elses. he didnt cause he respects family and he respects fiona. since the house is his, and he also didnt really had any other place like debbie, they both should make the decision together.

fiona fucking sucks. i know a lot of people hates her and a lot loves her, and theres people in here that knows shes middle ground just like basically everybody on the show, which is called SHAMELESS for a reason. and i can agree with everybody. my point here is that she did nice things and stupid things and i dont hate her or love her for them, nor do i think all is forgiven because of her trauma or that shes number one worst character of the show. i think she sucks, think that she was wrong for all the liam shit, that she is an agent of chaos, that she was a bad girlfriend for all of her boyfriends just like they were bad for her (except mike he rocks), i think she make some of them worst really; i understand her desire to grown and be someone but i think it was risky to put the gallaghers house on the line so she could open the laundry (even more so cause i dont really consider it hers but carls), i understand how at some point she wanted to grow and take care of herself and be less of an parent in her sibling's life cause if she took care of herself since she was nine i think her siblings could try and take care of each other and their own ass a little so she could start living but the way she didnt really helped ian, the way she shut down debbie and was sad when debbie shuted her down, the way she left carl to his white boy fase without as much as trying and the way she said to them put VERONICA and KEVIN first at their emergency call before her was insane and she should be dragged for it idc. she was always mean to her siblings romantic interests too and that really bugs me cause mandy put lip in college and mickey cared for ian.

lip fucking sucks. most people here think the similarity between lip and frank starts and finishes on alcoholism and appearance but i think its more than that, i think both of them are narcissistic motherfuckers. i cant think of a single time lip put effort in anything for any other reason than to satisfy himself. it is the most evident when you think about his relationships SPECIALLY tami and fred, but if you think about his desire to be a father, the way he treated fiona when she was down, the whole sierra fiasco and how he treated her sons daddy, the karen ian thing; he even said that he helps his alcoholic friends because he thinks that if they cant do it then certainly lip himself won't be able to do it. i cant hold ian to the same parameters, i only think deb fiona and carl are really there for each other but ian gets a pass cause hes just selfish to some extent. he is bipolar and shit went down when he was still a child; still, joining the army and sending no news was a dick move and when he was good and on his meds and working as an EMT i think he wasnt really there for his family, tho he cared for mandy. cant really say much cause most of the time he was out of himself or in jail.

[moncherriis]

about me ⤑ she/her, nineteen, matt girl, taylor swift enthusiast, introvert, big marvel fan, love the beach and sunsets, i take pictures of everything, i love collecting vinyl records, larray liked my insta post last aug (it’s my personality), i have a signed postcard from the triplets, big cat girl (i’m allergic), but i also love dogs, saw nessa barrett live last october, i also love making new friends on here!

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[lupeloto]

monica gallagher meta

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listen i hate frank gallagher as much as the next person but… sometimes i remember just how much frank loved monica and get a little too emotional. they were messy and toxic and terrible for each other but he truly truly did love her with everything he had. the show would be seriously lacking if it weren’t for the complexities of the relationships that monica has with frank and everyone else. for example, her relationship with ian especially in season 5 is one of the most well-written parts of the entire show in my opinion.

Monica and Ian’s relationship is one of the things/dynamics that makes the show truly as emotional as it is. It is really fucking good. The exploration of that made Ian’s character so goddamn complex and interesting. When he was imprisoned in the military base, he was at his most vulnerable that he had ever been. He is in an extreme depressive episode and feels like everyone around him that he loves is treating him like some object in need of fixing. He doesn’t see this as their desire to help but rather their desire to change him and “fix” parts of him that he cannot help. Monica swoops in, a person who he never received adequate love from his entire life, and changed shit for him. I truly believe that what she is saying in that moment, she truly believes is good for him. After spending time with her, he adopts this mentality that he is “not broken” and that there is nothing wrong with him, despite believing that there was something seriously wrong with him only a few episodes prior. I do not think she had ill intentions going to see him and talking to him, she genuinely believed that what she was saying was helpful. He was extremely vulnerable at this time and already has a complicated history with her and, although we know he so deeply fears becoming his mother, he still completely lets his walls down when she begins showing him love. He felt so misunderstood by everyone and she showed him that she gets what he is going through and he immediately attached himself to that. It is genuinely heartbreaking and beautiful and catastrophic all in one.

She went to him at his most powerless and made him think that he could reply on her in a way to feel understood and "protected" from the people who just wanted the best for him. She didn't have malicious intentions, she just genuinely thought that the way she lived and rejected help was the best way.

[elhopper1sm]

I understand people who don't like Fiona because she didn't take Liam with her when she left. But honestly I can't hate her for it. Now Fiona is my favorite character so I'm undoubtedly biased. But in my opinion her decision to become their legal guardian was not one she made under a free and uncoercive environment. Fiona became their legal guardian under threat of what would happen if they were still legally under Frank's care. It's a decision she made because she felt like she had no other choice. Now you can say from a rational perspective that's not the case but then again. It's hard to think rationally when you're under that kind of pressure. And let's be honest here the Chicago Legal System isn't exactly famous for being kind or low income people with Fiona's background. So there's so much added pressure this was also in the early seasons when pretty much all of her identity was formed in being the Gallaghers caretaker and parent. At the end of the day she was their sister who was forced to step up as the parent role. Not their parent. And yes she made that decision. But it's not a decision she made freely without coercion. Also so much of season 9 is spent establishing that the family can (with the exception of Liam) look after themselves you know. Like when they want to find someone to look after Frank and she offers to do all the calling around and the siblings say they have it handled. It was to represent that Fiona has sort of lost her sense of identity in the two things she formed her identity around. 1. Being the family caretaker or the family fixer and 2. Relationships with men since she fell apart and essentially swore off relationships after Ford.

Again this is how I interpret the show others are free to interpret differently. I understand if you disagree it's a TV show. And it's really not that important to be rude to someone if you disagree. I'm just saying I personally don't hold it against Fiona because again it's a decision she made because she felt like she had no other choice.

[em-harlsnow]

saw someone say (on tiktok where all bad opinions are) that frank was much better than monica as a parent because he stayed.

okay? and???

he stayed, sure. (barely, considering most of the time he was at a bar or on the street or at Sheila’s) but sure, we’ll say he stayed.

when he ‘stayed’, did he help anyone? did he look after his kids? did he contribute to the bills?

no, he didn’t.

what he did do was hand Liam over to drug dealers who he made a stupid bet with in season 1. what he did do was headbutt ian in the face in season 1. what he did do was convince Debbie to help him get monica out of a mental institution in season 2. what he did do was destroy Debbie's project for school in season 3. what he did do was hand his own kids over CPS because he was pissed they wouldn't let him in the house. what he did do was let his random friends piss in the corner of his child's room. what he did do was encourage carl to become a drug dealer. what he did do was convince carl he had cancer. what he did do was use carl's sperm to get a mentally ill person pregnant with like five kids. what he did do was leave his kids to the care of Fiona. what he did do was verbally abuse every single one of his kids. what he did do was steal money and food from his own family. what he did do was tell carl to his face that he wasn't ever going to be or do anything.

but that's just him as a father, right? and ive seen people say that frank would have wanted to be a good father, that he really tried, but he was an alcoholic so couldn't help it and/or monica made him the way he was.

first of all, monica did not make him anything. monica is a separate subject, I'll get into it some other time. but she didn't make him a bad father by leaving, there are plenty of good single parents, even though it's harder.

these are the things frank did to people who weren't his kids, proving he's just awful in general, as a whole.

he killed dottie and tried to take her money in season 3 I believe. he manipulated sheila, using her mental illness to his advantage and tried to make her relapse. he sexually assaulted monica when she explicitly said no and was heavily depressed. he fuelled his depressed wife with drugs and tried to make her seduce his own brother so that he could get his mother's inheritance money.

for the people who still justify frank, I'll give the very short list of all the decent fatherly things that he did.

he took the fall for carl's drug thing, claiming it was him who did it. he looked after Frannie okay, I guess, even though he didn't take her to school when he was meant to. he said a pathetic little thank you to Fiona before she left. well done him. he didn't rat out Ian when he went AWOL (altho he may have actually not known who Ian was). he was at Ian and mickey's wedding (although by force) and was not homophobic (well done, that makes it all better). he didn't say anything about mickey being gay.

at the end of the day, the list is pathetic. he did nothing. most of it is him literally doing nothing, like him not ratting out mickey. he probably did that to save his own skin, too, from Terry and from mickey. Ian, too.

in summation, I haven't even listed every bad thing frank has done because there are sooo many and I can't remember them all. therefore, he's a huge piece of shit and was not a better parent because he stayed. thanks for listening to my ted talk.

[magedoesstuff]

if one more person says that fiona's siblings + kev and v didn't care for I AM GOING TO SCREAM !! Was she underappreciated and misunderstood at times? sure. but so was everyone on the show because (speaking from experience) thats what happens in big families. shit gets overlooked all the time, the good and the bad.

but no one can say they didn't care for her. they literally killed someone for her !!

(its not their fault frank's a cockroach and survived.)

[m4ndysk4nkovich]

hot take: sheila jackson wasn’t a good mother to karen

hear me out before you say anything. for the record, i’m not saying she was a bad mother, she definitely was very nurturing and maternal and deserved a kid- but she wasn’t a good mother to karen.

as someone who grew up with a mentally ill mother (who was more of a sheila than a monica) karen and sheila’s relationship stood out to me. specifically because of how sheila reacted to karen’s actions and how karen treated sheila.

sheila sees her daughter getting blown by two guys underneath her kitchen table and does nothing, she sees a video of karen raping frank and does nothing, she’s a bystander in karen’s life and even admits to missing a big chunk of her life because she couldn’t leave the house.

karen takes care of sheila, rather than sheila taking care of karen. karen calms her down and gives sheila her medication and overall is very matured and basically takes care of everything since her father is gone/dead and sheila can’t leave. karen most likely just raised herself, and i’m sure that sheila tried,  but she couldn’t be there for her daughter when she needed her, and we all know that karen started acting out at eleven, the same year when sheila stopped leaving the house.

then, sheila ends up taking karen’s baby, then chooses the baby over karen, and takes karen’s husband. that’s so fucked up.

i love sheila. i loved her relationship with debbie, and i truly believe she could’ve been a good mother- but the circumstances made it hard. she definitely tried hard for karen but regardless, wasn’t the perfect mother. she and eddie are both to blame for how karen turned out, not just eddie.

[wrinkly-fucking-qtip]

SHAMELESS OPINIONS: S7 (cause Mickey's write off hurt and after s5, I watched again from s1 and forced myself to keep watching + no one around me likes Shameless so I need a place to vent)

overall: i actually loved it, had me pretty hooked all throughout

ok, i kind of like s7 Trevor, he's charming, got this lil sassy banter going off, he's cute and nice y'know. I just *HATE* that they so obviously tried to recreate some dynamics he had with Mickey straight away without letting us warmup to him, how can you deepthroat aspects built from 5 seasons into half of one??? No. Sorry. Him settling so quickly into the Gallagher house as if he's spent a decade there, idk. And the patient scene with Ian? foh man, no. 1x09 was special for a reason, and this would've played differently if Ian actually came to Mick if he was still around. They play out so much better as friends or fw/b ig but that deepthroat can't help me see a relationship between them. Not liking s8 Trevor so far, my god. Also his nonchalant attitude towards Monica threw me off. I get it, he's new and doesn't know much, Ian never mentioned her before apparently, but like "she's a lil crazy i can like her" eek, idk. Like almost downplaying his situation with her.

Caleb can suck my ass along with JW and his hate for bisexuals. My bi ass cannot approve. Cheater McCheater my ass. I can almost walk through Ian's ignorance cause for all he knew, Caleb was just gay, and I feel he said the bisexual thing out of frustration and betrayal towards his actions than actual disdain for the orientation, but yes. He was ignorant in his convo with Lip, and so was him anyway. I guess they just didn't know it is a thing. But thing is, I BET YOU ASSES that Caleb is the type of douche to STILL justify his actions even if JW didn't display his hate towards bisexuality in his writing, he just is *that* douchy. At least he motivated Ian to get his job, I'll give him that.

OH MY GOD THE THROUPLE... AND ITS SLOW BURN. it's hard cause you can understand both sides of the situation and it was just a clear issue of misunderstandings and miscommunication... I just wish they could've handled things better because I was really rooting for them. They fucking worked so well, with their little schedules and organization. I have such a fat crush on Isidora it's actually embarrassing. Anyway... I miss their dynamic. They deserved better.

Lip was a dick to Fiona about the Laundromat, but Fiona also just jumps the gut to these impulsive decisions, and I get that if she does ask for opinions, they probably won't agree with her, and it's not like I can blame lip, I mean look at the Club situation, yeah she made profit, but didn't break even, and that where his worry comes from. But at least, if she still approached him, and did it anyway against his say, he can't rub it in her face that this entails a family meeting and she can't just make those decisions without consultation. Overall, Lip was so arrogant and dickish with her, and for what... he couldn't even bring the money he so desperately wanted her to believe he could.

I love Sue. I just love EMT Ian stuff with all my life, idc what it is, I kick my feet cause he's so happy.

I fucking loved Carl and Mr. Luthers dynamic. Such an epic lil duo tbh.

I loved Frank's storyline here fsr 💀💀 it's so silly and he gets his way like always, but idk, I loved seeing his adventures at the shelter, he still remains a POS that's for sure.

I fucking LOVED seeing Debbie this season, I was a little disappointed last season cause there is so much lost potential on her pregnancy journey last time with where she was staying, but I fucking loved her here and putting her scamming skills to the test. Don't love how she ends up treating Neil in s8 cause... Well, I just feel bad for him, but also, if she really wanted to stay true to her convenience relationship, she probably should've stuck it out more so it lasted more, idk. But enough of that, I loved her setting a goal for herself at the end of the season, and I honestly commend Monica for helping her get Franny out of the house, I understand Derek's family's concern but they were so cunty in how they handled things.

Monica's death hit me like a truck... Idk why, there are so many mixed emotions here, she couldn't dare to tell the kids the real reason she was there, and all she wanted was to be there one last time. My heart goes out to her tbh.

Gallavich. Oh dear God. FERAL, FERAL EVERY TIME. it's like receiving crumbs and eating them up like a vacuum, nothing I can say that hasn't already been said... I just... Wow. Fuck. And to know that, after needing Noel for ratings, that this was gonna be the end for them? No, I could throw up. I couldn't imagine watching shameless as it aired with that knowledge in mind. FUCK ME THOSE TWO EPISODES I ATE THEM UUUP. anyway, I'm normal about Gallavich.

Lord bless Etta... my dear soul. 7x11 was vicious for that, my heart crumbled fr. I can see this was all in Fiona's best interest for Etta and stuff... It was just so sad to see.

Lip and Sierra, I don't really know what people's opinions are about Sierra but I kind of liked her? She was sweet, and had traces of boundaries with Lip even if the fucker attempted to break them every now and then. But she was sweet.

Lips second spiral was even harder than the first one to see. Him crashing at Helene's apartment, and she still doesn't seem to grasp that she essentially groomed him, and he's just so devastated still. Fuck.

That ending montage was truly a piece of cinema I tell you. It was beautiful.

I probably have more to say I don't remember but I really liked s7, not on the priority of a constant rewatch, but it was really good...and truly served as the finale it was meant to be. EXCEPT FOR GALLAVICH, holy fuck that would've pained the whole audience.

[gallaghersgal]

hellooo everyone! here is the teeniest tiniest preview of my upcoming lip x reader high school au series, Salt & Watermelon. enjoyyy <33 mentions of minor injury.

“It’s, uh, 's nothin,” he brushes you off, to which you shoot him a glare. That sets him straight. In a low mumble he simply states, “beer bottle.”

Rage seethes inside you, your jaw tensing as you wet a cotton ball with peroxide. You keep any comments to yourself, not sure how LIp will react. You’re aware of his more than complicated familial relationships–you’d seen Frank’s drinking get worse, and the aftermath of Monica leaving–but if there was one constant with the Gallagher kids, it was family first, above everything. You had your opinions of Frank, and you knew Lip shared your distaste more than anything, but that didn’t take away the sensitive nature of the topic. So, you stay quiet, dabbing at the wound with a gentle hand. The sting draws a sharp hiss from him, and it’s then that you realize how flushed he is, his cheeks, neck and chest are a soft pink color. Graciously, you pretend not to notice, so as not to embarrass him further.

When the cut is cleaned and covered with a bandage Lip takes his sweater, pulling it over his head. It leaves his hair mussed and he smooths a hand through his curls while you tilt his chin up, inspecting the cut on his brow. Blue eyes stare at you with a vulnerability you’re not used to seeing from the boy you grew up with. At least you know he’s comfortable with you. That’s all, right?

Comfortable. Friendly. Nothing more. The same as it’s always been.

more to come <33

[mandy4ever69420]

hey love tell me do u have an opinion about roberta, monicas S1 girlfriend, and the way she wanted to take liam away with the justification that the gallaghers were not raising him properly by erasing his blackness and community and origin and all that?

i do :) i think her argument captures something very Real and Infuriating in when people will make good points to try to explain around something really awful. like, with her specifically i am inclined to be forgiving of because well. if i'm not then i really don't like what it says about hiring a very beautiful Black butch woman for that role. but i really do Sincerely think she was just very caught up in the romance of shit and was very misinformed by monica and how very charmed she was by her. holds up b/c when they find her later to ask shes like "oh my god, why was i hanging around this woman, please fuck off i'm so embarrassed"

^^ there are a couple things that shameless does really well in contexts like these. the "that's a good point but it doesn't make your end goal moral" feeling of sympathy and being infuriated goes with the "someone finally apologized and really meant it but it was for the wrong thing or the wrong part of what they did which means they don't understand the problem at all but it's nice they're trying" thing you also see sometimes

but yeah. she has a point about liam being separated from his culture. that doesn't mean you can just, rip a little baby away from his family who loves him. that's pretty much just nothing but trauma right there. liam also explicitly talks about this later about his isolation and how really his family even though they ARE biologically related simply Cannot understand his position. also in a "bad day when i approve of frank" move frank does introduce liam to some nice relatives who are able to offer him something he was missing.

carl also is the most vocally concerned about Black issues & tries the hardest. because he was so little when we learned that frank is liam's biological father so he just went "huh. guess im Black" & presumably rolled with that without commenting on it for a good long while. which. is not how that works if you still experience white privilege & have parents who experience white privilege but oh my god genetics is so dumb racial categories are so made up and cruel. of course it gets weird. & you see where that goes wrong where carl thinks he can use the n word. even well intended and probably as the person who's put most thought into what randomly happening to be Black in a mostly white family means for liam he's Very liable to make it weird

& the gallaghers ARE biologically related but i want to mention that a lot of adoptions of kids of color by white parents go very, very abusive. which um. is not the case entirely here because most of his family is good to him to the best of their abilities. and it's not adoption. but still most of these characters (i think especially fiona @_@) have some weirdass racialized affectionate nicknames for him. though yeah frank is up there w the nicknames. he's just being an asshole on purpose though. so that's slightly different. & i know like calling kids 'monkey' is kind of just a thing people do but jesus christ. you do need to think about this when you are a white caretaker of a nonwhite child. Why is this not the only tv show i've seen fail to think of very specifically that with a white woman caring for a mixed child side note. you guysssss please for the love of god

anyway there are some real world dangers that white families are not really equipped to prepare little nonwhite kids for. & just on the feeling of being subject to racism that maybe his family could sympathize with but they dont have the tools to deal with or give him advice on. there are people who try and im sure do a very good job but the gallagher family has So much going on and most of them Are very selfish. for understandable reasons. it's fine. but it means they don't do a lot of looking into liam's perspective and just assume "that's probably fine"

anyway the best way in this sort of situation is just expanded social circles. liam Should connections in his life that he can rely on and feel close to. is it too predictable from me to get into the "nuclear families are limiting and enable abuse" thing here. i feel like i'm always on that. well i stand by it. kids need bigger communities of people to rely on to be safe and understood it's really just not possible to get everything you need from only 2 parents or only your biological family. particularly in liam's case though, you can't be forcibly separating him from loved ones, you can't just ask him to do all the work himself (which is what they did in canon)

& you can't just assume 1 Black friend in the community will be idk a spokesperson or something. a friend is not a family member unless you let her be And she wants to be & it's very unfair to ask V to be like wise or cultured enough to offer liam a complete connection to his culture. she's just one person with her own insecurities and shit going on. who tbh already wasn't super stoked about being asked to take care of other people's kids when she DID love them. imo it was a slightly racist maneuver for fiona to tell the kids to put (kev and) v near the top of their emergency contacts as like caretakers without even asking. and she DOES know them & they DO care about these kids

[calummss]

unpopular opinion but jimmy-steve was fiona’s best boyfriend. he fit into the gallagher household so well, genuinely cared for fiona and her family. he matched their energy and vibes

“but he lied bla bla”

fiona wasn’t perfect either. they both had their flaws but that’s what made them such a good team. he was the only boyfriend to truly give a fuck about her and her family. within a week he was making breakfast, moving passed out frank aside….like that’s fiona’s soulmate right there