#Flame/fire is nár not nar
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I like to imagine Narþil was made by Curvo with Telchar alongside Angrist. Curvo kept Angrist while Nelyo was gifted Narþil - Nar coming from the word Anar, meaning the sun, and þil coming from the word Iþil, meaning the moon. A sword of duality.
That sword was carried into the Nírnaeth Arnoediad, Doriath, Sirion, and hundreds of skirmishes in between. Maedhros used it to shed blood one last time for the Silmarilli before taking his own life. Maglor made sure it reached Elros, who Maedhros had half-jokingly said would get the sword should something happen to him, before Maglor himself disappeared from the narrative.
Narþil was passed through Elros' true heirs until Elendil. When he fell, Iþildur took up the shards. He swung, and he thought he saw a flash of russet hair, a copper circlet, glowing silver eyes.
Þauron's finger fell.
Like, I'm sure Tolkien would make Narsil a sword that belongs to good guys and stuff, but the idea of Narsil being Maedhros sword (maybe even made by Fëanor himself) makes me so rabid.
Like, Elros taking the sword that caused so much pain, that belongs to someone he both loves and hates, and makes it into part of his own kingdom for the purpose of good.
That sword being then broken by Sauron and finally used to defeat him in its brokenness (something, something, the redemption in battle that Mae never gets, something, something, symbolism).
And its shard then reforged into Anduril.
Flame of the West.
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Narþil, not Narsil
To properly speak Quenya is to speak the Fëanárion way. We shall not sá-sí like the others who forsake their heritage. Shame on them.
This is actually something I was thinking about with a recent post I saw about Narsil. I got a little ramble-y in my reply, and I wanted to expound on it.
Narsil doesn't mean "red and white flame". It can't. Quenya (and Sindarin but the focus is Quenya) is a language where the amount of time you hold a sound changes the entire meaning of the word. I'll use a real world language that does this as well: Japanese.
(These are not real Japanese words, btw. It's just to show the principle of the thing.)
まま - mama
まあま - maama
まっま - mamma
ままあ - mamaa
All four of these words, if they were real, would mean different things just because of how long you hold a sound.
Flame/fire in Quenya is nár. It isn't Nársil (or Silnár, as sil is typically a prefix). It's Narsil. Nar and nár are two completely different words in Quenya. (I think nar means are, but don't quote me on that.)
However, there is a word that fits this better: Anar - the Quenya word for the sun. There's no á.
Sil could still work, but as I mentioned, it's typically a prefix - Silmarillë, Silmarien, etc. A different word would work here: Isil - the Quenya word for the moon. It would fit the pattern established with Anar in having the first letter taken out.
Where does the thorn (this þing) come from then? It's Isil, not Iþil, right? Technically, when written by Quenya speakers who learned the more common, and incorrect, version. Remember what Celebrimbor and Narvi made the Doors of Durin with? Ithildin. Something that is only shown under the light of the MOON. (And stars, I guess, but it sounds more like Isil than elen, sooooooooo.)
Therefore, Narþil is a sword whose name is in reference to the Sun and the Moon.
Edit:
I've conferred with my council since this, and while I still stand behind everything I said, I have come to some conclusions which can be read here.
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