#FIYERO WHERE ARE YOU?!?!
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what's your favourite song?
True Love - Ariana Grande
Like Him - Tyler, The Creator
Peggy - CeeChyna
What's YOUR favourite song?? Put me onnnn
#I love all music tbh#rn I'm listening to No Good Deed#FIYERO WHERE ARE YOU?!?!#.... anyways#cherryluvss anons
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So you're telling me that if Elphaba hadn't been able to turn Fiyero into a scarecrow, Dorothy would have found a beaten and nearly dead man tied to a post.
#sheesh poor girl#wizard of Oz? more like Everyone should pay Dorothy’s therapy session#idk I just had that thought and I was like woow no#poor girl#but still imagine you are in a strange very colorful world where the first thing u do is kill someone#and then you’re pushed to travel alone (just your dog) to roads u don’t know the dangers of#and suddenly u find a nearly dead man (or even dead!!) tied up#I’d be traumatized for life ngl#she’d def try to help Fiyero at best as she can#sorry if I can I’ll always bring my Fiyero and Dorothy father-daughter agenda#wicked movie#wicked musical#dorothy gale#fiyero tigelaar#wicked act 2#wicked part two#wicked fiyero#wicked#elphaba thropp#fiyeraba
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"no one mourns the wicked" but from glinda's perspective, she's not singing that elphaba is wicked, but that she herself is.
at that point, glinda fully believes her best friend is dead, and the only other friends she had from schiz are scattered around with no intent to see her again.
glinda blames herself for what happened to elphaba, she lost everything the moment nessarose died. she lost fiyero, she lost elphaba, she lost the two people she loves most in the entire world. elphaba and fiyero run off together, and glinda is left behind to pick up the pieces.
she is so convinced that she is the villain in elphaba's story that her singing "the wicked die alone/it just shows when you're wicked you reap only what you sow" shows her knowing her own choices led her to this moment, where she is so utterly alone. she has fans, she has supporters, but she has absolutely no one who truly knows and loves her.
#glinda the good witch#wicked#wicked the musical#wicked movie pLEASE add a scene at the end where elphaba and fiyero reunited with glinda#i'm BEGGING you
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Unexpectedly, I found myself liking Fiyero an awful lot after watching the Wicked movie.
Man lived a privileged, comfortable life, and when he was exposed to the persecution of others he did not look away but instead went through the emotionally and mentally difficult process of challenging his world view and growing as a person.
#they did a great job with him#he has his character development off screen but you can definitely tell something has changed during the scene where he sees Elphaba off#unfortunately all of the stuff in the fiyero tag is shipping stuff and gifs#fiyero tigelaar
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hey sorry i wanna talk some more about no one mourns the wicked.
when glinda's introduced, her first celebratory lines slide into a question:
Isn't it nice to know that good will conquer evil, the truth we all believe'll by and by outlive a lie for you and - [I]?
and in a song full of double meanings, glinda isn't asking that question (only) to the ozians. she's asking it to elphaba, who has always been that other half of "you and i." even though glinda has promised not to reveal the truth, she's still hoping that it will come to light someday for her and elphaba. and it's also a heartbreaking call-forward to defying gravity, because just like that moment where glinda almost gets on the broom, there can't be a "you and i" here--it's cut off by the world they exist in.
#ready for a tag ramble?#it's interesting that by the end of the story glinda and elphaba's values#are the most aligned they've ever been#glinda cares about affecting real change#and elphaba understands you need people and perception in order to do that#by the end the people they've changed into COULD HAVE worked together#i think end-of-story glinda could have gotten on the broom#and i think end-of-story elphaba would have at least reached out for help#but the damage has been done and their personas cemented in the eyes of oz#so that's no longer an option#it's what irks me about fiyero as a love interest#not necessarily as a flaw in the writing but just on a personal level#that i never feel he really understands elphaba's values even as he supports them#and he lacks the same tension between loving his home and being ostracized from it that glinda and elphaba have#(even though he SHOULD have it because he arcs the exact same way as glinda but faster)#(not to mention all the stuff they could have pulled with him being from winkie/the vinkus)#anyway and also i understand that people are coming to this realization genuinely and independently#and that i also had the moment where i saw the double meaning and went OH#but nomtw is not JUST about glinda calling herself wicked#there's also grief#and hope for a better future#and disappointment in the ozians' lack of empathy#and a commentary on how we'd rather label and punish someone wicked#than look at the broader systems that put people into impossible positions#(a commentary that is VERY relevant if the discussion turns solely into#'actually GLINDA was the wicked one and ELPHABA was the good one!')#figured i'd put all this here because i've already ranted like three times#on the villanizing glinda front#so. there it is#wicked
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i've been in the Wicked fandom for, basically, a hot second at most, and already i am extremely fucking tired of some nonsense i'm seeing-
-pitting glinda and fiyero against each other/comparing them in a way that's about saying one is better (as opposed to comparing them in a character analysis/literary analysis way which is obviously great and fun)
-whining about fiyero's existence because "ew, het nonsense" as though that's not the most childish biphobic bullshit in the universe (bonus hatred points for actually claiming movie!fiyero is in any way heterosexual. bestie you need to rewatch dancing through life. that man is bi.)
-the word comphet everywhere. mostly about glinda/fiyero (which is a little bit a valid interpretation but i disagree with it) but also just about fiyero's existence in the story which. see point two.
anyway as usual when i get into a big fandom i clearly need to limit my interactions to the people who ship whatever niche poly ship (well. less niche this time) i fall for, because dear god monogamous monosexual fandom is the most asinine hellhole of bad takes. give me the bi/pan polyam corners of fandom where i am so much less likely to want to yell at people.
#half of this is me going I Will Defend My Boy but then also half of it is me going Wait No Not Like That Glinda's AWESOME#like. i WILL fight people for calling fiyero useless to the story (INCORRECT YOU ARE WRONG GO REWATCH)#or claiming that elphie/fiyero or glinda/fiyero is just het nonsense (take your biphobia and shove it where the sun don't shine)#but also i will absolutely fight anyone who tries to claim that fiyero's actions make him Better Than Glinda#when like. the complicated nature of whether glinda's conformity is worth it is the POINT of her whole arc!#like. no obviously she didn't make the right choice. but that doesn't mean you should shit on her to lift fiyero up.#and on the opposite side- just because the intensity of gelphie is the heart of the story doesn't mean fiyero is unimportant#or that glinda is a better character!#all of y'all need to just shut the fuck up and try shipping the ot3
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“On the day before I met the Scarecrow,” Dorothy said, “I was invited to stay at the home of a Munchkin farmer named Boq and his family, and—“
“Boq?” both the Scarecrow and the Tin Man repeated in surprise, almost speaking in unison. They then turned to one another in confusion.
Dorothy was taken aback by this reaction. “Yes,” she continued. “He was very kind. He hosted a wonderful dinner, and an evening of dancing where I almost wore out my feet.” The girl giggled. “Of course, these lovely shoes are as pristine as ever. I suspect we’ll all wear out before they show even the slightest sign of age.”
Dorothy’s companions seemed oblivious to her attempt at humor. “Can you describe this Boq?” the Scarecrow asked curiously. The Tin Man stayed silent, watching for Dorothy’s response.
“Well, he was an older man,” Dorothy began, putting a finger to her lips as she recalled, “Grey haired and barrel-chested, always laughing good-naturedly. He reminded me of my Uncle Henry. Except that Uncle Henry is tall and thin, and doesn’t ever seem to smile at anything.” Dorothy frowned, realizing the fault in her comparison. “Well, they’ve both got gray hair, at the least. And I feel very safe and protected around the both of them, as I imagine one would with a father or mother. I was a bit sad to say goodbye.”
“He sounds wonderful,” the Scarecrow said, though there was a certain disappointment in his voice that did not match his words.
“He was,” Dorothy said, beaming, “I’m so happy to have met so many good people on my travels, even in such a short time.”
The Tin Man nodded absently, then spoke. “How are his children?”
“Oh, yes,” Dorothy said in surprise, “He does have several children. I played games with them after we ate, long into the evening. It was quite nice to be with other children, as I spend so much time back home with only Toto as my company.”
“Then his family is doing well?” The Tin Man pressed.
“Oh, certainly,” Dorothy confirmed with a nod, “They seemed as contented as a family could be, with all they desired from life. In fact, the family seemed to be rather wealthier than any other I had encountered—though of course they were generous with what they had, inviting many of their surrounding neighbors to join in on the celebration of their newly gained liberty.”
“They are well-off enough to send some of the younger children to college, perhaps?”
“You seem awfully concerned with the well-being of this Boq and his family,” the Scarecrow interjected, casting an inquiring look towards the Tin Man.
“I am Munchkin myself,” the Tin Man responded quickly, “I knew the family once, and I only wanted to be assured of their continued well-being, if such assurance was available.”
“How can you care for their well-being?” Dorothy asked plainly, “If you are without a heart, and therefore without compassion? I ask only because you yourself have told me of your inability to love.”
The Tin Man paused. “Call it simple curiosity. Nothing more important than that. Whether they prosper or suffer, it no longer has anything to do with me, and has not for some time.”
“Do you miss them at all?” Dorothy asked.
“Perhaps in another time, I might have,” the Tin Man mused, his voice measured. “I’m not sure that I can miss them at present.”
“Oh. Yes,” Dorothy said solemnly. “Well, perhaps once you have your heart, you can return and visit them. I’m sure they would be very glad to see you.”
“Would they?” The Tin Man asked quietly, more to himself than to his companions. He hesitated a moment, then shook his head. “I cannot visit them in this state. I am not myself.”
“Of course,” Dorothy smiled with understanding. “We must return to our quest, so that we all may receive that which makes us complete. Do you agree, Scarecrow?”
“Yes, of course,” the Scarecrow said without looking at Dorothy. His gaze was instead focused on the Tin Man with a concentration unexpected from one lacking a brain. The Tin Man glanced behind himself, then back at the Scarecrow’s steady stare, with slight unease.
“Are you all right?” Dorothy asked the Scarecrow, noticing the intensity in his expression.
“Oh yes, just trying to… figure it all out,” the Scarecrow murmured, pulling his eyes away from the somewhat bewildered Tin Man. “I haven’t got a brain, you know, you must be patient with me. It’s very difficult to understand things when you don’t know… things…”
“Do you think you’ve got it now?” Dorothy asked patiently.
“Oh yes,” the Scarecrow said, “I cannot be certain, of course… but I think some things are starting to make sense.”
#wicked#wicked musical#boq bfeeson#fiyero tiggular#dorothy gale#wicked fanfiction#??#I guess#easy fix for the inconsistency: the guy is named after his father#Nooo but imagine#if this is canon#how scared Boq’s family must be for him#knowing he’s trapped in the same house as the borderline tyrant oppressing everyone#and unable to do anything about it#Maybe Boq did that thing where you pretend not to care about your family and cut ties with them in order to protect them#As you do
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#poll#polls#wicked#wicked the movie#hmmmmmnm.#the people I went to see it with were baffled at the idea of it being romantic at all#Because Fiyero is there love interest for both of them#But like. Come on.#the scene where they flop onto Glinda’s bed together#And we get two shots from each of their perspectives#Where the other is surrounded by this soft pink lighting while they stare gently into each other’s eyes#Did that not feel explicitly romantic to you? Like just in terms of visuals even.#The movie was lengthened considerably and I feel a lot of that allowed their relationship to feel a lot more genuine than it was in the pla#Regardless of whether it was romantic or platonic#but hmmm. Maybe it’s because they stopped at the first act.#I need to stop making polls while eepy.
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Elphaba promise and the Boq and Elphaba talk are so good but also I understand why they cut them. we can’t be too transparent in act 1, all those feelings need to bubble under the surface a bit more
#like they’re so good and I want to talk about them because there is a lot there#but also I think they would have changed the impact of some of the other scenes if they kept them in#for example Glinda’s whole ‘you could have picked me’ scene was great#but it changes how you view Elphaba asking her to come with her later- she feels guilty abt everything with Fiyero#as opposed to the final cut where the name change scene shows Glindas feelings of being left out#but still made it so that Elphabas decision to bring Glinda was a separate deliberate choice - not because she felt obligated to#idk if I’m making sense but i think it was a good call#including the shot of Glinda waking up alone in class but cutting the scene where they explicitly talk about it was the right call imo#wicked#and don’t get me started on the Boq conversation . I am holding my thoughts until act 2 because there is just so much#¡Hey listen!
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i just wanna watch porn but specifically porn that makes me feel the way I do when i read fanfiction
like. I don't wanna just watch people fucking I want the emotions and the feelings behind it.
basically. I want to watch my blorbos fuck and I think it's incredibly unfair that I cannot watch my blorbos fuck
also sorry not sorry but the sexiest part about my blorbos is their shared history and how well they know each other and the amount of love shared between them and the sexiest part about fucking is just knowing and loving someone so much that they live in your fucking soul that's how much you love them
#yes this is about EO#I want to watch them fuck!!#I've been reading too much fanfiction about them fucking in a sweet and loving way#also. this is inspired by Jonathan Bailey fiyero meeting Elphaba for the first time#like what do you mean she had that much of an impact on him from a singular meeting and one glance#LET MY BLORBOS FUCKING GODDAMNIT#it's like. when you want to listen to a new song that has the exact same vibes as the one you like#but you can't find that because all songs have different vibes so then you're just stuck. and sad.#it's like that.#I got tired of reading fanfiction cause I need MORE than just words on screen#don't get me wrong I fucking love the fanfiction but sometimes I just want a lil more you know??#so then I tried some porn. but it wasn't working. cause they just be fucking#where's the feelings where's the love#Anyway. this is me complaining#also. this might be the demisexuality jumping out at me a little (a lot)#croki rambles
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personal affirmation: I'm going to finish writing these fics I'm so excited about and they're going to be so good. I am not going to burn out and leave them unfinished for years. PLEASE.
#post#mag writes fic#bringing my personal laptop home for the weekend along with my work one#in the hopes that i can crank some words the fuck out#fiyero where are you - ROTATING IN MY HEAD NONSTOP LET ME WRITE YOU DOWN
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Her life has never been, truly, her own. What little choice afforded to her before her birth stripped from her newborn grasp with the emerald pigment of her flesh, so Elphaba never knew the 'ease' of life, and the possibility of future. This, she had known. Reminded at EVERY TURN, every opportunity- her life has never been her own. It was her father's, to do with as he pleased, and it was her sister's, self-sworn to stand at Nessarose's side until the day Death chose to intervene. And even then, he would find only resistance in the clawing of Elphaba's fingers and the dragging of her heels. Now, her life is forfeit again- This time, to a Prince. Oz forgive her, but fuck her life. " You're staring. " Words catching indifferently in the hollow of her throat as she turned her eyes toward her . . . betrothed. " Again. " And she's used to staring, grown accustom to the varying ways they linger on her skin- Judgemental, horrified, DISGUSTED, terrified . . . pitiful- Perhaps that's the worst of all. But @slashaer's gaze is not one she can pinpoint with ease. It bothers her. A feat none have managed in years. A sigh befalls from her lips, and she rolled her eyes away. " If you're bored, might I suggest, I don't know, reading? " Her only consolation to this arrangement being her enrolment in Shiz almost makes this worth it. Almost.
#‘ scripted !#‘ where so many roam to !#slashaer / fiyero.#*throws at your face*#have this if you want it :)
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to be clear I think polyshipping is valid in wicked but fiyero is nothing to me. he’s fine but I don’t see him. stick him with boq if you must. I think all the time about If Glinda Was In The Lion Scene Instead…
#talking abt musicals#he is there.#they have the scene where fiyero is calling elphaba beautiful and I’m like.#you know who did that like four scenes ago.
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@rthlss ( from here )
"i've been up for three days, everything is haunted. " liir's sleep deprived body almost falls to the floor. tired boy has had the longest days in the world. "everybody's evil and there's bugs inside the carpet." there are no actual bugs, he's just been up long enough to feel them. which is probably bad. instead of thinking about how bad that is, he turns to fiyero, his father. gaunt eyes. magic curling at his finger tips. look what you've made fiyero. a boy. " do you think i'm frightening? organ chords and lightning? "
Instinctively his gaze drops to the carpet, in search of the bugs, before meeting Liir's. "No." The reply comes quick, perhaps too quick to be fully convincing. Had he been scared of Elphaba? Perhaps a bit, in certain moments. But Fiyero hadn't loved her in spite of it, but because of it. He can't see why that shouldn't apply to Liir as well. Elphie's son. His son.
That notion still feels strange and unnervings, as he examines the boy and notices his tired eyes, the magic swirling in the air around him,. "I just think you need some good rest."
#rthlss#˚. ✦.˳·˖✶ ┋ fiyero tigelaar . ic#thank youuu <33#OK BUT why am i thinking about an au where fiyero is held prisoner instead of being killed#& only reunites with liir years later (with elphie dead)??#let me cook here shufhasufhs#but that's only if you wanna go a bit more book based otherwise we can just go for post musical basically!!#can you tell i'm excited lmaoo
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@dancedthrough sent: ∗ 3o﹕ sender wraps a blanket around receiver’s shoulders .
It was the feel of the blanket that woke her; the weight and warmth of it as it draped across her shoulders. Lifting her head, Ozma blinked away the sleep before looking to see just who had discovered her hiding spot -- the small corner of the palace's attic that she had turned into a reading nook. A place where she could pour over her mother's notes (and the Grimmerie) uninterrupted.
As so little of her time was uninterrupted these days. Ever since they had left Kiamo Ko. Moved to the Emerald City.
At the sight of her father, the young queen relaxed. "What time is it?" The question was half a yawn. She had clearly been up there for hours -- even before passing out...
#dancedthrough#v: tba#clearly some au verse where elphaba is really dead#or fiyero told her to escape while he remained behind with ozma#I feel I should apologize now for the multitude of scenarios I'm going to hit you with in these responses
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While I’m still a bit bummed that they didn’t go with a more book-aligned POC Fiyero for the Wicked movie, I’ve been thinking (heheh) about how his being white highlights the really interesting foil relationship between him and Glinda (and, in many ways, the audience yourself).
At its core, Wicked is a cautionary tale about propaganda, (literal) scapegoating, and what it means to uphold the status quo. The audience is watching through Glinda’s eyes—it is through her, arguably the most beautifully tragic character of the show, that we learn how lonely life becomes when you forfeit your values in favor of systemic power and likability (“No One Mourns the Wicked” is, in many ways, about HER).
Now, this is where Fiyero’s whiteness can get interesting—if you consider him and Glinda to share roughly equal footing at the beginning in terms of privilege/how much they have to lose (applying our real-world lens of race and power here, where whiteness is the apex), his storyline essentially represents what could have happened if Glinda had made the brave (and arguably wise and loving, if you’re picking up what I’m putting down 👀) choice to go with Elphaba and fight the good fight (this is also why I feel like a queer reading of G&E’s relationship is almost implicit to the story, but I digress).
As the POC/marginalized allegory, Elphaba has much less of a real choice in her curtain-pulled-back turning point. But Fiyero and Glinda—both representing privilege—get to choose. So in Act II, we see the consequences of both the choice to stay (Glinda) and to go (Fiyero). In Fiyero’s case, his ultimate rejection of his own power, privilege, and even beauty leads to immense physical loss—including his own body—but that is then compared to the loss of love, community, and identity that we see Glinda left with by the end. And this brings us to the question that the audience is left grappling with: in an unjust system where loss is inevitable (a.k.a. our own world, as the Wizard himself represents), which of these things are YOU more willing to give up?
It’s important that Glinda is an empathetic character because, in reality, most people are going to be Glindas (obvi this is nuanced among us Elphabas of marginalized identities, but I’d still argue that there’s some level of Glinda in us all)—and it’s important to be rattled by the end of the show when you realize that she is the one who has the sad ending. But it’s also so important that Fiyero is empathetic (which I’m SO glad this movie leaned into)—because he’s ultimately who Glinda—and thus we, as the audience—should have been.
And especially given the state of US politics right now…this is just all more relevant than ever.
#I could go on about how the male and female gender roles/queerness also plays into these dynamics but I NEED to finish my grad apps hrrrr#soon maybe#also don’t get me started on the trump era of it all#WOOF I forgot how much I love this show#THE WORLD CAN FINALLY SEE WHY ITS BEEN ROTTING MY BRAIN FOR 20 YEARS#wicked#wicked meta#wicked spoilers#fiyero tigelaar#glinda upland#fiyeraba#gliyeraba#gelphie
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