#Eva Devil May Cry

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Mater Familias

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Dante's love towards Eva

You can hate Kamiya for the yucky yuck romance potential between Dante and Trish in DMC1, I don't blame you (even though iirc he denied that accusation somewhere on twitter lol). But the thing that Kamiya did well is he actually included cutscenes showed Dante loves his mother, really. In just one game Dante spent about 3-5 times talking/thinking about Eva

"My mother always used to tell me that my father was a man who fought for the weak. He had courage and a righteous heart. In the name of my father I will kill Mundus!"

"Don’t come any closer you Devil! You may look like my mother but you're nowhere close to her. You have no soul! You have the face but you'll never have her fire!"

Mundus: "Those eyes... deep in them I see the same light as in Sparda's eyes."

Dante: "...Why my mother?"

Mundus: "That useless being? If you need a mother, I can create it as many as you want. Just like I created Trish."

Dante: "Silence!"

(You know what he's gonna say next here)

But when Dante was in Itsuno's hands, that "mommy" trait of him somehow was "reduced" post DMC1. The times Dante mentioned Eva ingame became incredibly sparse, and when he did, Dante used Eva to have conversations with Vergil rather than talking about her in a personal way for Dante himself

"So... my mother's amulet is the key that unlocks the door to the demon world. Good plan, pop." (DMC3)

"Yup, this is where it all started. The day mother saved me and... left you behind. The thing you don't know is, she tried to save you, too. She kept searching and searching... Until it killed her..." (DMC5)

"Well lemme jog your memory. A little Vergil crying in the corner because mommy got mad" (also DMC5 but Special Edition)

For a character who's supposed to have mother issues, it would be strange if that character barely was seen having anything to do with his mother. It's interesting if we think of Kamiya Dante as a "mama's boy", then with Itsuno Dante, both Itsuno and fandom seem to make him to be more "brocon" with Vergil entered the picture (please don't take this too literally, I just mean Dante's character focused more around his brother).

[lcatscookie]

Somehow both Eva and Sparda did not think to ask each other what they thought the twins would look like

Bonus: here's dante he came with horns

[queenmuzz]

It’s well known that twin pregnancies often result in slight premature births.

Same thing happened to Eva’s pregnancy, but it wasn’t due to health reasons, it was due to Vergil trying to get the hell away from his brother.

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[fevredayz]

Febuwhump Day 1: Touchstarved

(featuring Dante and Eva from Devil May Cry) xD

[that-gay-guy-from-hell]

*rolls this over to you for Consideration* Probably gonna make a post on this later but personal headcanon that Vergil and Dante would both be really good at dance in an AU, or even in canon (they do it for fun), just because of how physically demanding it is. Dante I could see having the most fun with it, but Vergil I feel like could be good too. Probably better at keeping up with the rhythm and showing his partner off than Dante, but probably hates being the center of attention himself. Especially if it involves emotional stuff. (That and because Vergil knowing how to tango is just 👀 I would like to see it 👀 Would also like to see him get flustered and blush while dancing with somebody he's got a crush on, just because it'd be cute 💙)

AH OKAY, SO I ACTUALLY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS (because I've read quite a few one-shots that involve dancing with the Sparda babs) AND I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED IT!

All underlined things are links to videos of the dance(s) that I referenced in my research lol Forgive the pixelated quality of some of these, they can get kinda old lmao

So, for starters: I think that all of the Sparda-bloodline would have been/are good dancers, some more than others. All of them are talented swordsmen and fighters which in and of itself is a type of dance. All of their heights might be an issue, however. As someone who is a very tall 5' 2" the fact that they are all over 6' tall would make dancing hard.

Sparda would've been the best of the four and he would've had the most knowledge on it. I feel like he would've been alive for long enough that he was able to watch humans throughout the years, learning lots of things... including dance. I feel like he and Eva would've danced a lot. As to what he would've done the best? Sparda would've been very good at all of it (since he's been alive so damned long) however I could see Eva just being into Rumba or something like a (very unprofessional) Argentine Tango--just because it would've been fun for Eva to do with her husband.

Vergil would be the next best dancer--at least, with traditional dances. He would've learned from Sparda when he was young, per the request of his mother. Vergil used to sneak downstairs late at night to see his parents dance and would mimic them, using an invisible partner, so she wanted to have Sparda teach him (because Vergil is interrupting Mommy and Daddy's time alone together lmao). He'd be good at things like the Foxtrot and Ballroom Tango. Anything fast he is amazing at while anything slow is a little harder for him. He tends to like moving around a lot and doing fancy twists or dips. However, he knows a lot of slow dances too. Vergil would also be very into single-person dances when in private; the first thing that came to my mind was Flamenco dancing. Just imagine getting Vergil either so ungodly drunk that he busts this out or challenging him--if you tell him he can't do something, he will do so just to prove you wrong. This blue devil would be really hard to learn from, he's bad at explaining himself, so you'd have to learn by yourself. It isn't anything against you, Vergil just sucks at teaching and he knows it. Vergil would 100% dance with you in private. It is an excuse to show off--and to get nice and close to you. The idea of him just coming up and nonchalantly asking to dance makes my heart just fucKING MELT. If you gave him the same treatment, he'd die on the spot. The stoned-face devil is a romantic at heart so his lover putting on a record (or CD if you aren't into vinyl) and asking to dance, just warms his cold heart. (This all applies to V as well--the only thing that's different is that V is better with slow dances since he can't move very well, to begin with.)

Dante and Nero would be on even grounds as to who is the better dancer.

I'm gonna start with Dante because he's older. Dante would be very good at just winging shit--the Dr. Faust scene is a great example, he didn't make it up but he just pulled it out of nowhere. If we want to talk traditional dances, Dante would be good at things that are fast--like the Salsa (I was thinking specifically Salsa Caleña), Balboa (pure or swing), Quickstep, and Merengue. He would be the most lax about his partner not knowing what the hell is going on and would be the easiest to learn from. As long as you and him are having fun he doesn't care how bad either of you are at it--or if you step on his feet the entire time, he just wants to see you smile. Dante would also be the only one out of the four to dance without an issue, like in a public or bar setting.

Nero would be an odd dancer. He's got the gumption and is able to keep rhythm pretty well, however, he just doesn't know any "traditional" dances. He'd just make it up as he'd go. His dancing would be relatively "aggressive" and he'd move you around a ton. Add that with his "wings" then you'd best hope you don't end up motion sick. Dante (eventually) teaches him some stuff so Nero would end up knowing Quickstep and Balboa (pure and swing). Nero would 100% get carried away in the heat of the moment and do little cutesy dances in excitement (nothing super intricate, just little wiggly movement-type stuff). He'd also be into just quietly slow dancing with you at home, holding you close, and just rocking with you. Just like his father, if you were to ask him to dance, he'd die on the spot. He is also the only one of the four that wouldn't mind you leading the dance instead of him.

I'd like to hear anyone else thoughts on this! If there are any dances that I didn't mention that y'all think might fit, please let me know. I might've been in theatre and was a performer, but I know absolutely dick-diddly about dancing; I was born with two left hands for feet, if that helps make sense of things lmao

MASTER LIST FOR TUMBLR

[evadmc]

When I see fanart of Eva and her boys it makes my heart smile, she deserves all the love she can get! ~

[fenartoftheserotonin]

Here have a random poll. First poll :3

[trashqueen3]

Eva, you beautiful woman, your hair was hell to draw.

[4dmc]

Okay I've had enough of this bullshit

Just know I'm not angry towards you @yelldeadcellvrremix

But rather really angry that this simplistic and very reductive take has been around for more than a decade now and it absolutely does nothing but peddle one narrative and zero nuance in the fandom

I would also like to say I love all the women characters, including the villains of this franchise. I did want to talk about them too, particularly Lilith but I feel like she really needs an entirely different post about monstrosity and how we all still generally could not "monstrify" female characters, and in all aspects of it.

I would say, Lilith had to exist to create discomfort, for Dimitrescu to even exist, and be devolved into nothing as fanservice. But... We're all not ready for that conversation now are we....

Lastly I fully can't criticize the mainline continuity because of the simple fact it's one of the most convoluted and messed up in terms of continuity and consistency. They will come up for comparisons and for arguments' sake. But they're never the focal point.

But you would be right how much awful the women were written so far, especially its only other returning 2 leads.

But anyway, I'll be mostly arguing for Kat in DmC Devil May Cry. So...

This is probably a Kat Appreciation Post.

If we're just talking about her, then need I remind you the final chapter has Dante literally defending her about what she has done for the twins from the beginning of the game's events, and up to their siege on Mundus' tower.

And in most of the situations she does show up, it's very clear what Kat can do and can't do within the context. Even if we argue how she was presented, Kat's companionship literally changes Dante and ends hers with Vergil, which has a LOT of baggage from the very beginning of their relationship anyway, at the end of the story.

If you're going to say "she never has a gun, she never fights, she never stands up for anyone, she's helpless" then let me ask you:

Why does lethality, aggressiveness and being "cool" the only thing that would matter about a female character and for her to be taken seriously?

When this happened, Lady, Trish and Lucia from the games all have weaponry and yet their importance literally diminished on the sequels they've shown up (and you know what, I feel sorrier for Lucia... But at the same time at least she doesn't get the same fanservice-only treatment that happened in DMC 5)

And hell there's already problems in their debut alone. (I'm looking at you Trish)

I'm not against Badass Women tropes. But the constant problem it has is that they're always the 2nd lead.

There had only been a handful of times a Badass Woman was a lead in general. But most suffer, if I remember correctly, the Trinity Character Problem.

Yes it's named after Trinity, the Badass Female Character of the Matrix. And she's the 2nd lead: badass, yet only serves for the male lead.

I can't find the right article anymore but I know for a fact this was touched upon by The Take in Tough Girl tropes video on YouTube... I hate how Google has become..

The only other 2 who are close to Kat in comparison are Kyrie and Nico. Lady was brought up a lot by fandom to this as direct comparisons and only because of their father issues, yet they never bother comparing her to Kyrie, who equally does have issues with her family, and Nico, who is now also another female character with father issues.

Kyrie's selflessness is unfortunately represented as the Pure Woman and Damsel In Distress tropes, and in most of Capcom's writers that comes off as vulnerable and in need of a male to rescue her and protect her.

The thing is, Kyrie IS strong. And she IS significant. Her selflessness is her strength. Her perspective about Fortuna could've been more invaluable especially in-game.

But unfortunately.... This is mainline Devil May Cry.

It is never going to be about ordinary human people doing something extraordinary. The only extraordinary thing Kyrie can do is, unfortunately, directed towards her designated male lover.

It isn't inherently a bad thing. But Kyrie is simply identified FOR Nero's character arc. And never even for hers.

The irony is that Dante here has a very moving speech against that macho monocled mad scientist dude (forgot his name) about the nature of humanity, and how it's to be admired.

But with all that talk I have yet to feel convinced if Capcom even believes what they just wrote for Dante.

Nico seems to have been the spunky extroverted response against Kat. She's literally Kat but spunkier, more outgoing. And if I may say so.... She's the female inverse of reboot Dante.

She smokes (something Dante in reboot was refused to be given as one of his own quirk, because haters couldn't separate him from their beloved non-smoking mainline version, and hypocritically keeps separating him as someone "not their Dante"🙄 ), she's ornery, reckless, she wears her entire mouth on her sleeves and midriff, and quite proud of her heritage.

But she's also another female character in service for the male characters. And definitely for the audience in a more subtle appearance...

The writers have managed to mask the fact Nico could just as go through the same brutality Kat endured with the whole Rule of Cool AND also just avoiding discomforting tropes completely.

But even when Nico was giving her speech about how she is proud about her craft and about her grandmother, I'm not as moved. I'm glad she stands for who she is, but she falls for the same cliches of DMC 5: it is all Rule Of Cool and no true deeper vulnerability.

As nice and entertaining Nico is, I feel less compelled about her character than the quiet strength Kat has. This is my opinion and my very cynical observation of Capcom writing Nico.

I may be wrong about how there's no deeper narrative here, because I believe a lot of that meatier plot details are in the novels and manga. I would really hope so as Visions of V exist. But none could even exist on the games, the star of their franchise.

Unlike Kyrie and Nico, Kat is actually OUTSIDE doing dangerous acts to help bridge levels for Dante.

She plays both the pros and cons of literally playing the background character: on the one hand Ninja Theory figured out a clever way to include her as someone playing the shadows of Limbo City itself.

She helps change the landscape and creates pathways for Dante. She juggles both technical gimmick and narrative role she can fill in.

On the other hand....well she's mostly in the background. Well, it's obvious who the star is in this game's story, so even Vergil isn't given much of the limelight.

(But he has a plot device, and yes we can see it's contrived, but Vergil has to stay hidden as their trump card. Mundus and most of the demons don't know he's also a Son of Sparda.)

Kat's role in helping change the levels is part of the platforming gimmick Ninja Theory has to offer. But of course Kat is also in service to the male characters.

But the biggest difference is that her story is completely the one inspiring the twins and pivotal to the central theme of the story: freedom. Her role, despite servicing the two male leads, is still a role that's entirely pivotal to the outcome of the game's story.

She had become a freedom fighter despite her not being a combatant. She risks her entire life again and again BECAUSE she believes the twins themselves are the key to changing the status quo. She rallies the two of them to get their shit together AND even has more than half the plan to siege Mundus' tower.

And that's a feat considering her introverted nature. With just the right words, she compels Dante and, to the obliviousness of Vergil, her believing in their cause isn't entirely to serve Vergil. That was Vergil's own flawed perspective about Kat.

Dante himself sums it best already:

"Without her we would have failed ten times over."

Yes, Kat was kidnapped and in a short while, she becomes Damsel In Distress. She is almost like in Kyrie's situation.

But Kat as a character subverts this trope: because unbeknownst to Mundus, Kat's supernatural abilities, although considered passive, is instrumental in how they were going to siege and navigate Mundus' Tower.

Even in her suffering Kat only thought to do something with what she has in her situation.

I'm not downplaying Kyrie's abduction compared to Kat's. All I'm saying is Kat still manages to subvert the whole "damsel in distress" situation with what she has, and the fact her situation is represented uncomfortably.

There's no romance, fly-into-the-sunset bs that frankly I'm still tired of seeing in media specifically if it's not earned.

I really appreciate that Ninja Theory wrote dark tones not just for stylization, but at the 3rd act of the game's story, there's an entire tonal shift as the dark tones are more serious. It's unbelievable the majority of these "fans" didn't understand that around this 3rd act, they're being taken seriously now.

Frankly, what a loss that they chose such an attitude and it haunts the fandom to this day, whether they admit it or not.

But anyway, Kat is very much heroic and for being there for Dante, as he was for her.

And okay I do actually want to talk about Eva, too, because even she is MORE significant than what a majority of you are so willing to see.

The only real problem is that Ninja Theory had compartmentalize in only telling Dante's story, in ONE game, in ONE chance that they will never have again.

The haters of this media have won before Ninja Theory could try again.

All I can say is that a lot of the people thinking Eva in DmC is a misogynistic portrayal all because the demons kept calling her "whore", is EXACTLY the trap you fell for.

The majority fell for the name calling of the demons, who hate her!

The demons who are LITERALLY hypocrites, are demonstrably very vile characters here in DmC: Devil May Cry.

And the lot of you chose to believe their name-calling on her!

So to me, I feel like the majority of the "fans" are just.... idiots. I'm sorry...

Like why would you believe a bunch of demons who would level themselves in being cruel, vile and sadistic, against an angel who's two crimes are:

1. Falling in love with a fellow turncoat, Sparda?

2...... Okay this is just fandom theory and I fully credit #fabdante for such an epic lore observation... But in the story both Heaven and Hell had been at war for a very long time now... And, according to Phineas, the Nephilim were not wanted at all, hence why they were g3nocided.... G3nocided by whom? By both Heaven and Hell. Both the demons AND the angels have killed all the Nephilim before Dante and Vergil's existence.... that means, Eva also has blood on her hands👀

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The mainline Devil May Cry games being misogynist in a "We respect women enough to create well-written female characters, but we don't respect them enough to use them again for anything beyond eye candy" way

Vs

DmC: Devil May Cry 2013 being misogynist in a "We don't respect women. At all. We're blatant as hell about this, so we aren't even gonna try to make them well-written" way

I enjoy both series by the way, and pretending to give respect is still as bad as giving no respect; I am simply making an observation here and I think we should be able to recognize the flaws in our media, no matter its objective quality

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My headcanon design for Eva

[lcatscookie]

Devil may cry women get new outfits of varying levels of practicality

I might elaborate on the reasons I gave everyone the outfit I did but this was mostly just for fun! I love the dmc women I am handing kyrie a knife don't worry about it <3

[kingofreddragons]

Dream of the Shotgun Rondel

[dogmameat]

What's a girl to do?

[cute-sweet-corgo]

am so crazy for them, u go