#Deseine

[detournementsmineurs]

"Fragment de Mâchoire" attribué à Marat (1793) devant le "Masque Mortuaire de Marat (à l'envers)" de Claude-André Deseine (1793) présentés à l'exposition "Paris 1793 - 1794 : Une Année Révolutionnaire" du Musée Carnavalet, Le Marais, Paris, novembre 2024.

[robespapier]

The three bust of Robespierre by Marius Cladel (sculpted in 1926) in Arras

from top to bottom: in the Lycée Robespierre, in the house Robespierre lived in from 1787 to 1789, in the Robespierre room in the Hôtel de ville

[oldpainting]

Louis-Pierre Deseine,

Musée du Louvre, Paris

[silver-whistle]

One of the plaster repros of the Deseine bust

Googling around, it seems one of the plaster versions of Claude-André Deseine’s 1791 bust of Max was sold in London in 2021 for just over £5K… Previously in Stanley House – would be interesting to know its provenance.

It’s a v good photo – the lighter colour of the plaster shows the detail beautifully, incl the buttonhole stitching!  

[silver-whistle]

Some of my pics of him…

Conciergerie copy of the Claude-André Deseine cast in Vizille

[nucaro57x]

troquei o meu amor por uma ilusão

não sei se fico louco ou se fico são

mas as coisas são do jeito que são

sei lá se ouço um sim ou um não

mas o tempo foi e as coisas que restaram

assim estão

com certeza não foi em vão

mas preciso mesmo de um tempo pra lidar com essa escuridão

[genevieveetguy]

The Speech (Le discours), Laurent Tirard (2020)

[heritagebrowser]

The Sainte-Chapelle de Vincennes is a Gothic royal chapel within the fortifications of the Château de Vincennes on the east edge of Paris, France. It was inspired by the Sainte-Chapelle, the royal chapel within the Palais de la Cité in Paris. It was begun in 1379 by Charles V of France to house relics of the Passion of Christ. It is no longer used as a church, and is now a French historical monument operated by the Centre des monuments nationaux.

Here on display the side chapel with the tombe of the Duc d'Enghien who was executed in 1804. (He was charged , innocently it seemed afterwards, to be involved complotting against First Consul Napoleon Bonaparte.) The sculpture is made by Pierre Louis Deseine in 1824.

[pigeonrobespierre]

[D'Angers] Saint-Just from Petit Palais

[Deseine] Robespierre from the Concierge

Back!!

Bonus pics :3 matching pfps

[revolutionarywig]

Frev locations compile

Thought of compiling a list of frev significant locations so it can help with recommendations for anyone who happens to be travelling/visiting! This is only done to my knowledge and not a complete list, please feel free to suggest if you happen to know more locations that I completely missed!

so here is the frev pilgrimage list! Long post warning.

(Note: The items are not in any particular order)

(Note: I typed this post up a long time ago but couldn't finish, a lot of thanks to the people who helped out on contributing information and your patience with me.)

Musée Carnavalet (Paris)

This one is very obvious, it is a must go for seeing a collection of frev related artifacts and paintings, including Couthon’s wheelchair, Robespierre’s hair, the most iconic portraits etc. Also its FREE.

Panthéon (Paris)

You can see the statue of the National Convention deputies. It doesnt have too much related to frev directly, but Rousseau and Voltaire (and Carnot…..) are interred there

La Conciergerie (Paris)

If you want to see the Deseine bust of Robespierre, but cant go to Vizille, there is a copy of it here within Paris at the conciergerie. It is the place where most frev figures as well as Antoinette spent their last monents.

Musée des archives nationales (Paris)

(June 2023) There is a temporary exhibit featuring frev rn which I highly recommend (also its free to go so like GO)

But beyond the temporary exhibit, I believe there are still a few things in permanent collection (Robespierre’s note book page, Antoinette’s last letter in prison, Comte d’Artois’ letter etc), including the famous 9 thermidor table that Robespierre supposedly lied on. the museum is free to visit.

Père la Chaise (Paris)

@robespapier wrote a better post on navigating the cemetery. It helped me so much with finding the graves of Lebas, Elisabeth and Eleonore Duplay! Thank you so much for the guide!

Rue Saint Honoré (Paris)

the current address of the Duplays household is 398 rue saint-honoré, which is now next to a louboutin store…. There is a commemorative plaque there indicating Robespierre’s residence there. Im not sure about going inside the residence….There was construction when I visited and the door was open, heres how it looks on the inside.

SJ’s bust (Paris & Angers)

I have not visited either of the two locations yet, but you can find that white bust of Saint-Just (that seemed to be modelled after the pastel portrait in the Carnavalet) in either Petit Palais (Paris) or Galerie David d’Angers (Angers). @orpheusmori has posted some Petit Palais pictures here @robespapier has posted some Galerie David d'Angers pictures here

Marat sign (Paris)

i have an image of this plaque sitting on my phone, I forgot where it was located until @orpheusmori helped me track the location of it! It is in the Odéon area and should be in the small narrow street with the back side of Le Procope. It commemorates the location as an important area during the French Revolution as well as the place where Marat established his printing shop.

The front of the same building also has another Marat plaque! I didnt know about it before thank you @orpheusmori for finding and contributing the photo! This one is above an Jewellery store (Amour de Pierres) https://maps.app.goo.gl/8X9zgKYpMiLJcULq7

Olympe de Gouges sign (Paris)

Once again, i have a photo of the plaque proving its existence, but I took it years ago and i dont remember where it was exactly.... It was all in the Odéon area, it shouldn’t be too far from the other….

Danton statue (Paris)

there is a Danton statue! Right outside the Odéon metro! You cant miss it. Also the placement of the statue is where he once lived.

Procope (Paris)

Its a really old cafe frequented by a lot of philosophes as well as many frev figures. There is also a bicorn from Napoleon inside. Right now its still a restaurant establishment, and its difficult to visit unless you eat inside….which is expensive…. However ! This whole general Odéon area is full of other frev landmarks (some more mentioned below). Including the metro station which has a bust of Danton.

Versailles revolutionary room (Versailles)

Beyond the royal family, there is a room dedicated to a lot of major Revolutionary Army generals and battles. Theres that one painting of Lafayette if u into that

Musée des armes/Invalides (Paris)

It has a significant collection of military artefacts from the French Revolution and its a really good resource for armory researches. The museum also has a sword that belonged to Lafayette, as well as a sword belonging to Carnot during the Directoire (image below)

Louvre

The Louvre does not have a lot relating to the French Revolution but it has a few significant paintings and a lot of David’s work. One of the Death of Marat copies produced by David’s studio should be in the museum, as well as a painting featuring the battke of fleurus (with SJ cameo)

Tennis court (Versailles)

Near the palace of Versailles you can find the room where the deputies swore the famous oaths. It is free to enter, although last time I went it was undergoing construction, hopefully it should have finished by now.

Musée de la Révolution Française (Vizille)

If you can go to Vizille… GO TO VIZILLE! The easiest way by transport would be to stay at Grenoble then take one of the buses that runs between Grenoble and Vizille. It is a whole museum dedicated to the revolution (and it is free) and the park is really pretty. This is where you can find the statue of Marat,

The Deseine busts including dear Bonbon,

And DJ Saint-Just.

Also special thank you to @citizentaleo for taking me there, I would’ve otherwise been lost in the French mountains lol, thank you!

Maison Robespierre (Arras)

You can visit Robespierre’s residence in Arras. It is possible to visit the inside, but it has a very specific and short opening hours.

I wasn’t able to go in since I was only in Arras for a few hours….But I got to attend a conference by Hervé Leuwers aaa (He is very sweet and I learned quite few new things from the presentation, but thats post for another day)

Robespierre metro stop (Paris suburb)

There is in fact, a Robespierre metro station on line 9! Not much beyond name but at least some credit to him! Alas it is not exactly within Paris and just on the outskirt. (Oh and there is also Voltaire)

Cordeliers club (Paris)

I dont have much information on what happened to the original location of the Cordeliers club and how it was modified, but the location is part of the sorbonne campus now i believe. I'd be very curious if anyone knows more information on this.

Place de la Bastille (Paris)

The Bastille is of course not there anymore, but the ground around the square and including the metro stations near by have traces/marks of where the old prison would have stood.

(and yea the picture was taken during a manif)

Pavillon de flore (Paris)

The pavillon attached to the Louvre and next to the Pont Royale is the Pavillon de Flore, which is where the Committee de Salut Publique worked.

Jacobin club (Paris) Alas the original convent in which the Jacobin gathered is no more and replaced by a commercial centre instead (Passage de Jacobins) . There is a sign however recognizing the place for what it was.

Place de la Concorde (Paris) Originally Place de la Révolution, there is a plaque remembering the executions that took place here near the obelisk.

Maison SJ (Blérancourt) I have not been to Saint-Just's house yet, because it is very hard to commute there without a car. But it certainly is still there and (I believe) maintained by the Saint-Just Association.

Catacombs (Paris) According to wikipedia....The bone remains of many revolutionaries buried in Cimitière Errancis (which has a plaque indicating it in the 8th arrondissement, according to wikipedia) are transferred to the catacombs, including Robespierre, Danton, etc. The catacomb is roughly organized chronologically but there is obviously no sign indicating which bone it actually is.

Cluny La Sorbonne station (Paris) It is on metro line 10 and the waiting tunnel is decorated with signatures of prominent French figures. It doesn't have any actual frev artifacts, but it looks cool and you can spot Robespierre, Danton, and Camille Desmoulins' signatures on the ceiling.

Louis le Grand (Paris) The school that Robespierre attended is still under the same name and still in use as a school! (i've reached the image maximum alas i cannot add more images...)

And that is all I can think of so far! There is surely a lot more that are out there (including outside of France). Once again, please feel free to mention if you know more frev landmarks that I missed out on. And to whoever happens to be travelling I hope you find this list helpful to start with.

[usergreenpixel]

Aside from David, you might want to look into Claude Deseine. He was a deaf sculptor who created busts of prominent people like Robespierre!

Hi guys 👋

I have to write a short “thesis” (putting here quotation marks because I’m in high school 😅 and it’s not like the real thing) and my topic is: Art during la Terreur. I’m looking for some reliable internet sources. And who better to ask then u

Thanks y’all 😘

[wriothesleypieces]

Timelapse _of me struggling - one layer Deseine study (?)

[random-brushstrokes]

Joseph-Noël Sylvestre - Danton embrasse le cadavre de sa femme (1893)

On 10 February 1793, while Danton was on mission in Belgium, Antoinette Gabrielle Danton died in Paris giving birth to her fourth son, who did not live. On his return to Paris on 17 February 1793, Georges Danton found an artiste from the faubourg Saint-Marceau, the sculptor Claude André Deseine, who was deaf and mute, and took him (in exchange for a bundle of assignats, to the Sainte-Catherine cemetery where his wife was buried.

In the middle of the night, with the cemetery caretaker's aide, Georges Danton had his wife Antoinette Gabrielle disinterred and her coffin opened, covering her with kisses and imploring her to pardon him for his many sexual indiscretions, and had a death mask taken. The mortuary bust of Antoinette Gabrielle Danton, which caused a scandal when first exhibited in the year of her death, is now visible in the museum in Troyes in Aube. (source)

[nucaro57x]

BR lofi core

[azzrael99]

Sorry to bother you, how can I draw realistic paintings about frev?😢

Thanks for the question!! (I love answering he he)

I'm sorry for being late in answering. I wanted to make it as detailed as possible (how I usually do it step by step), and hope it can be useful and helpful as a tutorial, it doesn't mean it's the best method, you can always do what suits you better.

First of all, I take as reference a lot of images of the historical character that I am going to draw. In the case of Robespierre, there is a lot of documentation and images of how he looked like. Even Deseine's bust help me a lot.

(Thanks @silver-whistle and @monimarat for this photographies❤️)

Thanks @perfectlysweatypanda ❤️

*I always try to make the character as realistic as possible

Second, I look at the features which are similar in every image I have consulted.  There are always patterns which are repeated. Even, if the artists of that time painted him in different ways (it often happens with DTIYS currently)

For example, the most noticeable features would be:

-the shape of the nose

-The shape of the jaw, square and angular

-the shape and position of the eyes (a little almond-shaped *with a feline look)

-the lips in almost all images are thin and straight

-broad and clear forehead with some wrinkles

-Square head (fun fact: typical for Earth zodiac signs)

-rounded eyebrows…

Then I look at the written descriptions of the people of that time and their contemporaries. I try to make sure they are reliable sources.

The ones, which are repeated the most, are not always the most accurate (be careful with it, look closely the images you have previously searched for to get it)

Then I usually make the baselines of the bone structure that it usually has:

I determine the position of the eyes, mouth and nose of the face with the basic lines:

Second, searching the clothes and suits of that time:

As explained above, look at a lot of images and references about how the clothes were.

Written references about how our character used to wear. Maxime’s shake: dark suits (black) earthy colours or basic (Supreme Being celebration was an exception). It seems they like stripes on suits.

🤩Tip! You can look at the suits on frev films.

They have usually got a lot of information out it and you can watch different angles to draw it better.

Some examples:

La révolution française Robert Enrico

Un peuple et son roi Pierre Schoeller

Danton 1983

You can also draw accessories (I’ve just realised I forgot to draw the pocket watch 😱⏱️)

Before I search for a pose that I like and it could fit with the character (or I do it on Clip, with the 3D movement dolls)

Important!!! (^.^)

Look at the side of the historical character. In the case of Robespierre measures 1.6 meters.

As a plus, if you want to draw a background, look at different set ups of that time, such as Duplay's house, or even on video games like Assassins Unity. They help me a lot.

I think you can draw realistic frev characters images with these steps.😉

I want to watch them.💖💖💖💖🎨🎨🎨

I hope it helps you and if you have any questions I would be pleased to answer.🤩

I like when people ask me.😁

[robespapier]

Halloween was yesterday so I'm late, but look at the spooky busts of the place de la Révolution in Montpellier

I mean, I don't know what went wrong with the reproductions of the David d'Angers busts, but they look very rough and cursed

From top to bottom and left to right: Couthon, Saint-Just, Jussieu, Sieyès, Lafayette, and La Révellière-Lépeaux without his famous microbangs mullet. The pictures aren't mine, they're from here.

See the original David d'Angers busts of Saint-Just and Couthon for comparaison

It seems mostly a problem with the d'Angers reproductions cause the other busts in the same place are...well, still cursed...but not as rought looking?

From top to bottom, left to right: Marat by ???, Danton by Paul Eugène Victor Bacquet, Desmoulins by François Martin, Barnave by Jean-Antoine Houdon, Manon Roland by Emile Carlier, and Bailly by Louis-Pierre Deseine. The pictures aren't mine, they're from here.

And then there's the Robespierre by Claude-André Deseine, who's doing alright and has some spiders friends 🕷🕷🕷 (picture from here)