#Daniel fallout

[bellonathedragonborn]

Listen to us when we speak about Honest Hearts.

I didn’t live on a Rez but I am Native and I can tell you this bloke took the words from my mouth.

[mushroommans-cache]

My Courier definitely had a ✨time✨ in Zion Valley

[callofdudes]

So... Genuinely curious, if anyone in the Fallout fandom hapeth upon this...

Is there uh... Is there a fandom for this?? Or am I the only one? Is this worth starting another blog purely to go insane over ✨them✨

[vaulthistorian]

If Duolingo existed they'd...

Joshua:

Fight it. There is no better translator like him. Although I think he would learn some new languages, he'd be on it all day acing everything.

Daniel:

Enjoys it, but keeps losing hearts and can't afford premium. Is committed to his streak even if he isn't the best at times.

Caesar:

What is the point of learning a new language when you can just wipe out the people that speak it so you don't have to?? Safe to say I don't think he likes Duo, and does not have a good streak.

Boone:

If you do it he might. He's more about sticking to his guns and patrols, and reminiscing the loss of his wife. If anything Duo becomes a therapy bot of sorts. You still can't figure out how that worked.

Follows-Chalk.

What's Duolingo? Why would I care to use it?

Lanius:

Unfortunately I don't think he'd use Duolingo any more than Caesar. Case in point.

Vulpes:

Hear me out. He would. He'd only ever care to learn one language, if anything to insult people in said language. But when you're wandering around the Mojave nearly alone, you've gotta have something to do.

Ulysses:

For a time. Would he learn a full language? Possibly. I feel like he would be more inclined to learn a few languages that aren't from the past. Something that isn't dying out. Or, maybe he would and he'd flex on everyone that he knows a language no one else does and he's so so cool... And stuff...

Courier Six:

Duolingo streak of 169 days 🔥🤘🏻😈

[jael-dub]

a slip of the tongue (kinda sixjosh lol)

[stoat-party]

My Joshua Graham take (alternate title: stop beingng mean to him!!!!!!)

Now I’m not a Joshua-did-nothing-wrong girlie (I mean, if you can’t recognize his flaws then you get his bad ending, so there’s that), but I gotta defend my boy for a minute. I’m gonna try to tie things back to the facts of the game, but there will obviously be Themes and Context that I can’t even begin to get into, and your mileage may vary.

Mitigating factors

We’ve gotta keep in mind that this guy is in severe and continuous chronic pain. Now, that doesn’t make you a bad person — one of the most loving and giving people I know is disabled with chronic pain, and of course everyone starts dealing with some form of it as they get older. But it can definitely affect how people relate to the world, and the preoccupation of being in constant pain means it takes more effort to act the same as they used to, (assuming they were a good person even then). I’m just saying that I would be a little more prone to anger if I had to tear off and replace my skin every morning.

Also, he and Daniel are both in grief — the Wiki places the sacking of New Canaan in 2281, and while it could have been earlier than that based on the minimal evidence we have, that’s still an extremely fresh wound. Joshua implies he either has or had family in New Canaan. With their numbers reduced to about thirty, he’s undoubtedly lost multiple people, in a violent and traumatizing way, while also dealing with the guilt of having (indirectly) caused it. He’s not acting totally rationally here.

Claim: He spent thirty years acting as a warlord and committing total cultural annihilation in service of a maniac

Hey, granted. That did happen. He doesn’t offer much of an explanation for it, except that he first did it to survive and then kept making compromises until he’d completely lost his sense of morality. And explanations aren’t excuses, we know this, but they do make redemption arcs more palatable. Personally, I don’t understand being against redemption arcs in fiction. They’re my favorite thing.

It’s important to note that the narrative does punish him for his actions — the guy he committed all the atrocities for betrayed him, he has the aforementioned chronic pain and disability now, and then the war machine he created to destroy cultures destroyed his own. So if you’re the type to think redemption needs to include suffering/death, there you go.

Claim: He is racist

The most literal form of this claim can’t be accurate, because everyone in Honest Hearts is GECK-coded as Caucasian (except the caravan company). The tribals actually have races created specifically for them (to account for their tattoo styles), but they're still white. They weren’t all supposed to be white, but that’s how it turned out in the game due to extremely limited production time. The Sorrows are descended from American schoolchildren, the Dead Horses are descended from Germans and Native Americans, and the White Legs are descended from Shoshone, Latin-Americans, and Americans (they’re also the palest of the three, not that it really matters).

Claim: Stereotype of the “white man’s burden”

This is a bit more Doylist than Watsonian, but it wasn’t intentional. Daniel was supposed to be Asian, but again because of short production time he ended up white. I interpret him as biracial.

Claim: He’s culturally elitist

He does believe his religion is the best one, though IMO everyone should feel that way. But he doesn’t think of himself as above the tribals — he considers himself a tribal, and shows distaste for “civilized” places. Daniel is actually worse about this one.

Claim: He’s Mormon

Well, yeah. I take issue with this being considered a punishable offense on its own — unless it’s combined with anti-blackness or child marriage or something, it’s just a religion, and there’s no evidence of the Future Mormons practicing anything like that.

Claim: He’s a missionary

As above, judging based on this without any specific evidence of wrongdoing is a little bit ignorant. Most modern missionaries are basically aid workers with a religious motive, and they make an effort to culturally assimilate with the host community, if it wasn’t their country to begin with. (Are there horror stories, sure. Like I said, Themes and Context.) Based on Joshua’s (and Daniel’s) responses when you openly mock their faith, there’s no coercion going on.

Claim: He’s committing cultural imperialism against the Dead Horses

He did do this as Legate. He visited Dead Horse Point to prime them to join the Legion, teaching them warfare and allowing them to basically worship him. Follows-Chalk says he saved their tribe from extinction, but obviously he did that intending to wipe them out. However, Burned Guy Josh came back to prevent them from joining the Legion, and his track record since then shows a pretty high regard for their culture.

In Follows-Chalk’s quest, Joshua is concerned about influencing them more than he should. Follows-Chalk says he’s the tribe’s leader, but Joshua actually explicitly denies it, the implication being that he’s a little uncomfy with being more than a military advisor. He even says that there are better role models than him.

Claim: He wants to commit genocide

There’s one big misconception I want to correct: The White Legs don’t live in Zion, they live by the Great Salt Lake. The group we meet are a war party. At worst, they had a support staff of non-combatants.

They were trying to commit genocide against the other three factions. You can be on Daniel’s side in the big debate, but the Sorrows absolutely had a right to defend their homeland from people tasked with killing then all, whether or not it was a good idea in practice. (The Dead Horses are also visitors; they originate from Dead Horse Point.)

He does hate them, hence the racism accusations, but according to Ulysses, they really are violent raiders (he and Joshua both call them mongrels, actually). Again, they kinda burnt Joshua’s family to death. His prejudice comes from their collective actions and their affiliation with the Legion, not their race or lack of technology or anything like that. He calls Salty an animal, but he also says that he relates to him from his days in the Legion. His brutal tactics were wrong and that’s the point, but he didn’t want to commit genocide.

Claim: He’s a hypocrite/He uses religion to justify doing bad stuff

Yeh! That’s the idea, and getting him to admit he’s wrong about it is one of my favorite scenes in the game. It’s especially poignant if you’re religious, because you’ve undoubtedly seen others commit this sin and maybe struggle with it yourself. Admitting the motives you’re hiding from yourself, accepting responsibility for your actions, and forgoing revenge on someone who’s seriously hurt you are all really potent character moments, in the game and in real life.

Claim: He extorts the Courier by trapping them in the valley until they do a bunch of dangerous quests for him, then makes them pay for medical care and weapon repairs due to said dangerous quests, and oh whoopsy doo there’s no way of making money in the valley except collecting stuff and selling it to the general store, but MAMMA MIA GUESS WHO RUNS THE GENERAL STORE??

Okay, I’ve never actually heard anyone say this, but it’s true. It’s all true.

[fallout-lou-begas]

something interesting is happening on the nexus this week

[protosymphonette]

sorry josh what'd you say i didn't hear you i was distracted by your fat ass i mean your fat ass i mean i mean

[witchcraftannie]

honest hearts

Source: Deimos art on Twitter

[holycowboysong]

Replayed Honest Hearts. Actually somehow more racist than I remembered. How the fuck did this come out in 2011? The Dead Horses are literally from a Native American reservation, the Sorrows are from a place called "The School" (perhaps a residential school?). Daniel treats the Sorrows like children, none of the tribes have their leaders present able to voice their feelings on Joshua's and Daniel's ideas. Even the representatives we do get don't have strong feelings either way and just praise their two white male leaders. The Sorrows' Shaman is literally played as a joke and nothing more. At no point are you allowed to question the ethics of two Mormons "teaching the good word" (see trading aid for conversions) to these Tribes.

It's fucking infuriating.

[slutforpringles]

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[bellonathedragonborn]

My thoughts exactly. He’s also a damn colonizer.

[str4wberry-goblin]

Oopsie almost forgot to post this. Day 7 of cringetobe: crossover!!!

Seemed like a good opportunity to draw smth for my fallout x reanimator AU >w<

[vaulthistorian]

I now ship Daniel and Joshua because of you (I don't know how I didn't before)

[Add the courier and its just a fucked up polycule with two mormons and a mailman and I think that's a funny idea.]

Dude, I love the idea of them and their backstory. There's so many ways you could go about it, whether it be Daniel caring about Joshua despite not having medical supplies from the caravans to keep up with the man's needs.

Or exes Joshua and Caesar and now he's still dealing with that and the repercussions while healing through the tribes and Daniel's own gentle firmness. He's so opposite to Caesar that I think it balances them out nicely.

And despite how differently they go about things they still end up coming together in the end because they are legitimately all each other have left.

They're like neighbors in Zion, and if out in the Mojave I could see them getting a farm or a little place for the remaining Sorrows and Dead Horses to take care of.

Joshua has the defense and fighting skills, and Daniel has a medical degree and a will to live.

And Six is there to cause utter chaos. If Six is part of this little dance then I could definitely see them bringing any supplies they see along the way like, "Oh, medical supplies, I'll be sending that back to the boyfriends 😌"

They're like, we don't know where Six is but they'll end up back home eventually when they're done with what they're doing.

[vonclosen]

Legion-era Danny (Chip) with one of his twin boys :] It was fun to try paining a background for once!

[wtftaylr]

babe wake up i have 37 gold bars and a long fucking story,