#Dan and Phil’s Story of TATINOF

[reunitedinterlude]

dnp tours + musical numbers

[thephans]

[slimeandsadness]

It's sort of ridiculous that I've waited 8 years to rewatch TATINOF, but it was extremely rewarding. There were bits I recalled fairly well, especially ones that have been referenced or memed since, but I got to experience it mostly as if it were for the first time. I cried a bunch of times, both because it's a lot reminiscing on where these dorks were in 2016 and where they are now, and because it's very genuine and heartfelt.

The themes are mainly about what they've done online and how much it means to people, and how that's special and important to them too. Dan's work has worth because of it; Phil doesn't need to pretend to be someone he's not. They're simple ideas, but they mean a lot and it just gets me so emotional even now.

How much they care also comes across in everything else about the show. It would have been so easy to just phone it in. They knew people would show up anyway, but they do so much to make it as good as possible. It has a whole story and they use really imaginative ideas to stitch together all the different segments and then wrap it up nicely at the end both story-wise and thematically. And it's really entertaining! And that's me saying that, who often struggles to watch their scripted stuff (as well as pre-coming out stuff these days). It's also an extremely energetic show in both its content and its delivery, and they don't phone it in for even a second.

Anyway, I had the urge to rewatch TATINOF and II as soon as I had my tickets for TIT and I'm so glad I did. It was a really funny and emotional experience and I'm now even more hyped for getting to see the new show, which will be my first time ever seeing them live. God, if I cried several times during a recorded show from 2016, I fear for how I'll fare when I'm actually there in person.

[oriharakaoru]

anyone else here now

[logicallyphan]

Did I ever tell you guys about the time during interactive introverts when I hit my head so hard I might have gotten a mild concussion and it was all Phil’s fault????

So basically he jokingly said to look under our seats for something and I bent down AND WACKED MY HEAD SO HARD ON THE SEAT IN FRONT OF ME I SAW STARS. I don’t remember much of that show.

Also another tour story, when WAD happened I had to pee so bad throughout the first half of the show I thought I was gonna die. I had to leave right before intermission bc I had no clue when it was and I had to GOOOOO. Also when I met him I was so shy I didn’t say anything :((( so sad I didn’t even think of anything to say before hand. Love that teddy bear of a man tho lmaooo

When I saw tatinof, one thing I remember about that tour is that the theater didn’t have an elevator but the m&gs were downstairs I guess and dan and Phil went to go do a meet and greet with someone in a wheelchair right in the front by the doors where we all were standing for some reason??? (I don’t like how they did that tbh they actually could’ve went back from the front more and had it been less of a show…) And everyone but me freaked out lmao… I got pushed against the fucking door bc there was no crowd control.. that was really scary. Also I remember seeing marytn and Cornelia (apologies if I spelt their names wrong) so that was cool.

If anyone has any tour stories, pls share them!!! I love reading them!! :)

[freckliedan]

Wait you reblogged something about dnp getting outed before the height of the careers? Did I miss something lol when were they outed

oh my god. i love that this is not something everyone knows anymore. but it's also absolutely fucking insane to me that this knowledge could potentially be lost. it's the biggest piece of context necessary for understanding them.

they were outed in 2011 on a smaller scale and again in 2012 on a massive scale, both times by the same video.

on september 17th of 2011 there was a platform wide glitch on youtube where, at random, a bunch of videos that had been uploaded and listed as private were suddenly unprivatized.

one of the videos that was unprivatized was a deeply earnest private message to dan that phil uploaded on february 13th of 2010, because dan was in india with his family and it was their first valentine's day together. there are a lot of intimate details about their early relationship in this video.

it gets called the vday or valentine's day video by phannies because it was titled ":3".

it was only up for a couple hours, but there are posts from phannies within that span. they reached out to people asking that it not be circulated with a poor cover story (that it was a prank they thought better of because it would be too mean).

people did not publicly circulate it for a period of time, but on halloween of 2012 it got posted publicly and got spread everywhere immediately. that's the second and more major outing.

in the years of like, 2013 thru the end of tatinof era at least but likely longer than that? if it got posted anywhere publicly it would get copyright struck by phil and removed. i don't have a definitive end date but the copyright strikes aren't still happening.

the leak is absolutely what lead to the peak era of dan and phil's closeting. understanding their need for control and how momentous it is that they trust us with anything requires knowledge of this context, imo.

i don't reccomend watching it. i haven't in some time.

i am open about the fact that i did watch it as a teenager in november of 2012, back when it was still circulating on tumblr. when i returned a couple weeks later to rewatch it, the entire blog i'd originally seen it on had been nuked for copyright infringement, and that wasn't uncommon for the era.

it was a really bad time in the phandom. dan briefly made a "customer service" sideblog & vehemently shut down people speculating on his sexuality/relationship with phil.

all of the archival information we have on dan and phil—the dailybooths, the formsprings, the old tweets, the videos they've taken off their channels, liveshows, vyous, etc? so much of that information was saved despite dan and phil trying to eradicate it in the immediate aftermath of the leak.

it's incredible that we still have it all, and even more incredible that images from phannie archives have made it into their videos several times from 2019 onward. their relationship with us has changed so drastically since 2012, in ways beyond what we could've imagined at the time.

yes, they were outed. that's the context for everything.

[dnpbeats]

I wasn't here during tatinof. Did they not share a bed in the bus or? I know that I've seen a few videos from during ii in hotel rooms and it seemed like they had one bed

their official story is that phil got the big bed and dan slept in a bunk. they stage a rock paper scissors match where phil wins the bed in story of tatinof (which I definitely will not link to a reupload of) at 26:31. while the rock paper scissors thing was a joke, they did genuinely purport that phil got the bed. iirc dan posted an insta story or something from the bunk?? bc in my memory we knew phil "got" the bedroom before the tour doc was released

people assumed this was BS for a multitude of reasons. aside from the assumption that d&p are together and therefore share a bed, it also just seemed unfair for dan to have to cram himself into a tiny ass bunk while phil got a whole bed to himself 😭 bc even if they weren't together it would still make sense for them to share the bed. like bed sharing platonically is a thing lol. any, there was also this embroidery sign that said "dan and phil" that they hung on the door which a lot of people assumed was bc it was their bedroom together :3 (though I am just now realizing the sign is actually on the door to the back area of the bus that includes the bathroom, you can see the bedroom door behind phil in this pic! I've been believing a lie for 8 years :/)

(sorry phil for the ss <3 also two seconds after this he "wakes up" dan in the bunk LMAO)

at the very least we know they would hang out in there together based on this famous part of the doc. so like, long story short, pretty much everyone believes they shared the bed, but as far as what d&p have told us, only phil slept in the bed

[natigail]

I've seen the rise, the fall and the rebirth of DanAndPhilGAMES. Honestly, I cannot believe we have arrived at this day and they obviously had to announce it in the most exaggerated and hilarious way. It's so them, and I am still trying to come to terms with the fact that we're going to get gaming videos by Dan and Phil post coming out.

I had just started watching Dan and Phil properly in the summer of 2014 and just a couple of months later, the very first video on the gaming channel dropped. Since then, the regular gaming channel videos have been such a huge comfort for me and so many others. Then came the hiatus, an indefinitely decision that caught the channel in limbo. It's made sense, in many ways leaving 2018 and entering 2019 spelled an important shift for the boys.

They retired several of their old projects, even pinof, and started to separate the entity of "Dan and Phil" and as such the gaming channel also had to go. I was gutted to see it go, but I trusted the boys were doing what they needed. And in the years that's followed, I've kept a small hope that it was never quite dead until they definitively said so. Hell, Phil had recently mentioned checking to see if Dil on the Sims save was okay, and we knew they still had that cursed Dil Howlter head from TATINOF somewhere in their nostalgia pile.

Today they used that very papier-mâché head again. The motherfucker rose from the grave and called the boys daddies, which honestly had me pausing and just doubling over in laughter at their horrified faces. And let's not even talk about the tweet an hour before the video cordially inviting us, as if it was a fucking wedding we were about to attend!

Dan and Phil are nothing if not extra, and I love them so much for it. It's been over nine years that I've followed along with their content and lives, and tonight just proved that I will never be dragged from the phandom. The instant surge of excitement, anticipation and a little dread upon seeing the invitation tweet and the video thumbnail still got me like I got into the boys yesterday. It's still so palpable in my chest even now, and I cannot stop smiling.

The gaming channel is and has always been full of comfort content for me. Dan and Phil know it too. They put it in the video, they put it in the video description, and just the way they handled this whole announcement all radiates that they're so aware of it. They know we've been here, waiting patiently, until they were ready to come back to it.

I would have accepted it if they had really decided to kill the channel, but man, oh man, I am delighted that it instead has come back from the grave. Risen with static flutter and a menacing Sims character who's story isn't quite over yet.

We get to have the regular banter back, but now with no filter at all. They don't have to conceal parts of themselves that they weren't ready to share, even if the gaming channel always felt more open and intimate.

I am extremely ready to parasocially see two domestic nerds laugh, bicker, scream and make questionable noises. I just know I will be right there besides them. Thank you to Dan and Phil for bringing back our comfort channel. It's a gift and we won't forget it.

[phanfictioncatalogue]

Canon Compliant Masterlist

4 Ways to Spice up your Sex Life (ao3) - Full_Moon_Lover

Summary: Phil thinks it's time for them to move out of their apartment and into a house of their own and what better way to surprise his boyfriend than to look at some property websites to try and narrow down their options for potential houses. If only Dan didn't stumble on one of these websites on Phil's laptop and come to a completely different conclusion.

Phil was tired of him and wants to move out. It was now up to Dan to get back Phil's interest in him and what better way to do that than to look on the internet for ways to spice up a relationship? Follow Dan's adventures as he follows the steps on a love article to try and spice up his and Phil's sex life. Nothing can go wrong....

again and again, even though we know love’s landscape (ao3) - JudeAraya

Summary: After a small fight, Dan finds Phil in bed with a migraine and spends the day taking care of him in many, many ways.

all men do is lie (ao3) - antiadvil

Summary: What they told us about Dan's eye hospital visit versus what happened.

As He Goes, So I Go (ao3) - cloej88

Summary: It’s November of 2015, and Dan and Phil have just finished their UK leg of The Amazing Tour Is Not on Fire. They’ve sworn off the romantic side of their relationship in order to protect the rest of this life they’ve built. However, with all of the close proximity of touring, their connection feels headier and more charged than ever. As soon as the UK tour ends, they fly to the US for a quick book-signing trip, but they become snowed in by a blizzard in Chicago. In the solitude of their shared hotel room, can they fumble their way back to one another?

Featuring: Pining, lots of fluff, the TATINOF UK afterparty in all its glory, an arcade bar in snowy Chicago, a NYTimes How to Fall in Love quiz, lots of introspective musing about how much these idiots adore one another, and some well-earned smut.

Basically I'm Gay (ao3) - ChainedKura

Summary: Dan is editing his coming out video when a deep sadness takes over his body. Lucky for him, he counts with a Phil Lester on his side that will do everything in his power to make his partner feel better.

black and blue (ao3) - waveydnp

Summary: dan and phil lie in bed and trade stories of the various injuries they’ve sustained throughout their lives

Building a Wardrobe (To Hide From the World In) (ao3) - husbants

Summary: Based on the prank Phil pulls on Dan at the end of THE WARDROBE; fluffy boyfriending ensues because their love holds strongest when it's challenged.

buttons on a coat (ao3) - waveydnp

Summary: dan meets up with his mum while he’s wearing phil’s coat

IKEA hot dog introspection (ao3) - sierraadeux

Summary: Dan is craving an IKEA hot dog.

or

the time I tweeted "I think I could romanticize ikea hot dogs" at 3:33 am and couldn't stop thinking about it until I wrote it.

japhan 3.0 (ao3) - danhoweiis

Summary: snapshots of the japhan trip 2023

laid bare (ao3) - waveydnp

Summary: 2010 dnp get tested and bareback for the first time

lost in forever (ao3) - manchestereyes

Summary: Phil makes a very special video for his and Dan's future child.

Or, Safiya and Tyler's proposal video, but make it dnp.

memories for ourselves (ao3) - waveydnp

Summary: quarantined dan and phil have a screen-free day

Nostalgia / Revival (ao3) - yonpote

Summary: Phil was just feeling nostalgic. He couldn't help it, it's been five years.

an introspection and a decision

one night stand (ao3) - dizzy

Summary: Dan meets a stranger in a bar during after one of his shows on the We're All Doomed tour.

One Thousand Midnights or More (ao3) - JudeAraya

Summary: A decade of love told in moments.

Precious Baby Angel (ao3) - toadsappho

Summary: Phil shows Dan his new t-shirt, but that's not the only surprise he has for him.

sativa (i said im ready) (ao3) - catbearbunz (bunnieovadamoon)

Summary: it’s 2009, and phil really wishes dan would call. he does, but he comes greener than expected.

aka they get drunk and high and have esex.

Send Me A Picture (ao3) - Tarredion

Summary: Dan has posted a new picture onto Dailybooth. It manages to do a bit more than getting Phil just hot and bothered.

shining, just for you (ao3) - bunnyslipper

Summary: a little fic about sitting back and watching each other shine.

Slow Down (ao3) - intoapuddle

Summary: Phil knows that Dan can hear him. Phil knows that Dan thinks that two can play at this game. Phil knows that that absolutely isn’t true.

so easy to come back into you (ao3) - dvp_95

Summary: The story has some humour in it, Dan supposes, but Phil looking wide-eyed at the camera and saying, "and I was like, who's this giant man threatening to call my mum, I was freaking out," isn't something Dan will be able to laugh about anytime soon.

sometimes i really think it would be cool to rewind (ao3) - r1caner

Summary: I used to watch the pigeons and be so afraid that they would die. But they will, and maybe some of the ones I used to see outside already have. I will too – I know that, always have. And I love to live, to drink coffee, to kiss you, to look at a dog and think about having one. I love to live, but I can live with life ending.

And then I think about it having to happen to you and I can’t do it.

the art of not thinking about it (ao3) - sasiml (orphan_account)

Summary: dan and phil and the week where things had to fall apart before they could come together.

the dominoes cascaded in a line (ao3) - danandphilbeats

Summary: dan accidentally goes to a taylor swift themed cycling class, and hears a song that makes him think.

the hoodie bow incident (ao3) - antiadvil

Summary: they were kissing.

The Money Summits (ao3) - LetGladnessDwell

Summary: You might think you’re talking about numbers, but it’s always more than that, Kath had said.

(Or, what Dan and Phil talk about when they talk about money.)

the scariest part (is letting go) (ao3) - huphilpuffs

Summary: Dan's journey with sexuality continues long after he meets Phil.

they grew up so nicely, didn't they? (ao3) - natigail

Summary: Cornelia doesn’t just get a boyfriend when she starts dating Martyn, she gets a whole second family too. Kath and Nigel welcome her with open arms and she becomes a pseudo older sister to Phil.

She is there watching from the sidelines as a boy bolts right into Phil’s heart and sets up camp. She gets to watch as Dan and Phil build careers and an internet community and all the trials and tribulations, as well as the pride and happiness, it brings along.

we never change (ao3) - nivi_chip

Summary: different decade same laundry problems

when the train came it was so big and powerful (ao3) - r1caner

Summary: a dnp fic for the 15th 19th of october.

[reunitedinterlude]

dan playing with phil's hair

[ahappydnp]

Hey there :) I want to revisit all the dnp medical crisis videos but I'm worried I might forget some lesser known ones - as the all knowing one, what would be your masterlist? Thank you ❤️‍🩹🙏

yeee i can try to link most of the videos!

dan

i nearly died

the time i got sunstroke

i nearly blinded myself

dan got pneumonia (younow story)

why dan went to hospital (0:16)

ywgttn union chapel (7:13)

phil

worst birthday ever

story of tatinof-phil got sick (33:34)

why i went to hospital

why i went to hospital (again)

why dan had to call an ambulance

reading assumptions (2:50)

an honest life update (1:34)

how phil nearly died

[buskingalbatross]

I've been a part of the phandom since I was fourteen back in 2012, but i've only recently deviated from my lurker ways and started being active in this community on tumblr. which I have been enjoying immensely! I'm super confused about something however, and so i'm making a post about it. please help.

often when I see the word "parasocial" used among the dnp audience, I've noticed that it's used with really negative connotations. Or with the implication that having a parasocial relationship is inherently bad and terrible. today, for instance, I've seen the term parasocial likened directly to "creepy."

I'd like to ask why that is-what has led to the perception of a parasocial relationship in this fandom as one that is intrinsically invasive and creepy. And I'd like also to put forth my own thoughts on why I think it's unhelpful and incorrect that we use this term to be a near synonym for creepy.

first, a definition. I'm turning to Hank Green for this, as he succinctly sums up what a parasocial relationship is in this vlogbrothers video (a recommended watch). He says a parasocial relationship forms "when the parts of your brain that are designed to have a social relationship between you and another person are used to have a relationship with a person who does not know who you are or, sometimes, cannot know who you are... because they're Huckleberry Finn."

At its most basic, a parasocial relationship is a relationship between you and someone fictional or nonfictional who doesn't know who you are. Hank goes on to say, importantly! that parasocial relationships have been happening since the beginning of time. People have been fans of famous or talented people since time immemorial, people have cared for fictional people since the first stories were told among humans.

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Similarly, in one of his Am I The Hole videos, Phil says that becoming obsessed with things is normal. "People hyperfixate on stuff. It's fine." We all do it.

In many ways, parasocial relationships are as natural as myriad other forms of human bonds. Humans can't help but connect to each other. To other living and even non-living things. Bonding and connecting and forming communities is what we do. And because of that, I think it's a disservice to oneself be ashamed of being in a parasocial relationship, or to use parasocial as a term to serve as a stand in for a disrespectful fan of someone. I think it fosters a sense of guilt where there shouldn't necessarily be any, especially if you as a viewer of Dan and Phil are respecting the boundaries they have set. You are doing something so normal! So human! You are finding support and comfort and empowerment and motivation and creativity and any number of other things from other people.

There is great joy and great good that can come from parasocial relationships. Obviously! Think of Phil's birthday stream, the feelings you experienced when the lights came on in the theater after TATINOF, all the laughs (among other things) Dan and Phil have gotten from our memes and art.

And it's important to consider the other side of this as well. Dan and Phil also have a parasocial relationship with us. It's different, of course, but they do think of us, make decisions because of us, without truly knowing us. At different points in time maybe they know the loudest of us, a few individuals, but for the most part they do not know who we are. They don't know who you are. But they do think about you. They think about what ties us together, our queerness, our beliefs about the world, the internet, our status as socially awkward and or mentally ill nerds etc. They think about how certain videos or projects or merch will be received. All creators are in a relationship with their audience. And it is often a parasocial one.

Basically i find myself exasperated with stumbling over the word 'parasocial' in this fandom. I want to have the information and know the truth and add my own thoughts! Maybe parasocial is used by other people elsewhere on the internet to mean something bad, but my thesis is this: it's not a bad word. It's a descriptor. And it's a normal thing. Those people are wrong. You shouldn't feel bad about being in a parasocial relationship with Dan and Phil! You should call that relationship what it is with pride! And do as much good with it as you can.

conclusion: talk to me about this! What is your perspective, what am I missing? let me know please. would be happy to talk about this with anyone.

(ok what do i do now do i thank you for reading? i don't do this. text post over.)

[yonpote]

NO NUANCE IN THE TAGS AS IM AFRAID NUANCE WILL COUNT AS SPOILERS TO ME CUZ IM INSANE :)

here's what i mean by structures:

wad: three act structure with a definite conflict, rising action, climax and resolution. there are multiple segments including audience interaction, but they are all in service of a singular story.

ii: practically zero story structure with audience interaction being the focus, structured more like a scientific thought experiment if anything. all segments are in service of the theme rather than a specific narrative.

tatinof: very loose story structure, mostly existing to tie together the various segments. there's still conflict - resolution but you kinda forget about that somewhere in the middle, with most of the focus being on the spectacle and whimsy of Dan and Phil™.

[fuckdanhowell]

not to be nosy on your tags but what is your theory for how that phil air kiss clip got uploaded? 👀

i just feel like… tatinof platonic-phan dan would have Never included a clip of him laying in phil’s bed, playing with his hair and phil air kissing him (lol triple threat)

so my theory has always been that it was just accidentally uploaded? the clip came from “Dan and Phil’s Story of TATINOF” which was/is a YouTube Red (Premium) film. so perhaps when dan sent over videos from his phone to the YT editors, that one accidentally tagged along. idk🤷 they kind of sold their souls to youtube for that tour movie. it was a youtube Film and it was not edited by them (according to IMBD and everything i know about YT productions) so shoutout to those editors that were like We have the chance to do something crazy rn

[dnpbeats]

There is one thing I know for a fact they will never share with us. Like they would rather post a 3 hour video of them making out before sharing. And thats how much they earn and how much they have earned. And If I had one question I could ask them that they had to answer, it wouldn't be "are you married" or anything like that, it would be how much money do you make, and where does that income come from. Because based on the look of the phouse and the price of the clothes they buy, I would not be shocked to find out they are millionaires, but where is that money coming from?? Because surely its not all from video veiws. They have not uploaded consistently enough throughout their career for that imo. And I mean. Yes they are big creators and used to be bigger, but its nothing compared to the numbers of big creators now. They never even broke 10mil subs. Is dragon city seriously paying them that much??? And what about the 5 years where they basically posted nothing and phil did like one 10min video a month. Surely that was not covering mortage costs plus rent of TWO apartments, plus all of dans bougie clothes?? Were they living off of savings from before the haitus??? That brings me back to HOW MUCH WERE THEY MAKING??? This is the phan conspiracy I want them to address.

i also would love to know how much they’re currently making bc im a nosey bitch. but also for sure they are millionaires. like multi-millionaires. think about how much money they were bringing in in their prime (2014-2018). obviously there are their videos, so the adsense money plus any sponsorships. they were getting money from the radio show and also all the other hosting gigs they did for the bbc (those handful of random docs dan did, all the festivals, etc). there was money from their own merch, but also remember that they own irl, so they're getting a cut from other people who were using irl as their merch distributor. then they had the money from tabinof and dapgo. they had the money from tatinof and ii (while we know they lost money on some legs, I'm sure overall it was income gained not lost). also whatever money they got from tatinof + story of tatinof being posted on yt red and then the money from the ii dvd. also other random shit, like they had licensed t-shirts at hot topic (which as a side note is so batshit 😭). also those random two events they did for dapgo (dapgoose 🤩). oh also truth bombs!! also the partnership they had with rize (I want to say they also had one with younow at one point?? but I could be making that up lol). and this is all just stuff off the top of my head, I’m sure there’s more i'm forgetting

and then okay, the hiatus hits, but phil's still making videos, and then dan eventual comes out with ywgttn. (then wad ofc but dan didn't make money on that so 😭 lmao.) but also keep in mind that during this time, they're still getting adsense revenue from anyone rewatching any of their videos, and also like you said im sure they had savings. and on top of all of this, I'm 100000% sure they have investments that we don't know about, because I don't know how they could've not invested any money lmao. like we know they aren't stupid when it comes to business, and investing is something regular ppl do too. so you’d assume for ppl like d&p who are self-employed (and making a shit load of money doing it) they have more investments than most ppl. so like they aren’t mr. beast obviously, but I don’t think dan is losing any sleep over dropping $600 on a shirt

[gaymerhowell]

gonna yap cause i have nothing better to do x

i genuinely think if it was a phodcast they wouldn’t tease it THIS much but again its dan and phil so there is a possibility for a phodcast…. and it 100% could be a documentary which would be fucking amazing but no one really manifested that until dan posted that ig story and people started trying to guess what the phagenda is. and since dan said ‘you people manifested it’ feels like they are doing what phannies have as been asking for (podcast/tour)

i genuinely feel like it is a tour (by the email user and just things dnp have said and delusion) but no clue how tf they planned it all so quickly unless they’ve been planning this since the start of the year or smt but with wad that was still happening (two other shows, recording, etc) that would be a bit ??? and plus they are teasing this ALOT which they haven’t done before with anything (tour, book, etc) . it honestly could be something WAY bigger but wtf is bigger than a tour ??? /gen

also here is my scoop of the phagenda leaks(?) we have gotten so far

the TVs represent their whole journey with their careers. with phils first video so as dans on display with some other videos. i think if it was a tour, it either could be like tatinof where they tell a story, like a story about what if this whole youtube thing never happened or its them going to their old youtube days and talking about them.

and the announcement could be similar to how they did the gaming channel announcement.

with them first looking through old videos then glitching happens (glitches has been happening alot with the phagenda also there was slight glitches in the dapg announcement) then suddenly it says ‘dan and phil 2024/5(?) tour’ or just loads of our posts saying how they should do another tour and shit like that.

and if it is a documentary genuinely wtf are they gonna talk about ??? like isnt their whole youtube channels just basically a documentary by itself already??? like that confuses me a little. and if it is a phodcast i just dont know how the TVs and stuff could be relating to a phodcast.

idfk anymore im just going insane atp. can they just announce it already PLEASE 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭