#CancelVenom

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How I think Absolute Carnage will end.

-Dylan and Sleeper are gonna die so Eddie can have MAN PAIN (Cates has proven he's willing to butcher female characters both figuratively and literally so why not add child murder to the list?)

-Eddie dies and Dylan bonds to Venom. (Unlikely but I honestly feel like any story involving Eddie is like beating a dead horse at this point.) Sleeper dies too.

How I WANT Absolute Carnage to end;

-Flash comes back to life with the Anti-Venom, which takes Knull off guard and Flash demolishes it. Then he slaps Eddie upside the head and tells him to stop being a big bearded baby and grow up.

- Also Andi gets Mania back, joins the West Coast Avengers or Champions or teams up with Scream and stays far away from Donny Cates' horrible writing!

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Something has been bothering me about the latest preview for the upcoming Funeral Pyre comic, and no, it’s not just the premise of Andi fighting for her life against Carnage.

It’s that Andi’s characterization just feels... off.

https://symbioteburnout.tumblr.com/post/186405433306/preview-of-web-of-venom-funeral-pyre-written-by

Here’s the preview for those who missed it.

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Like, okay, so no one has ever really managed to nail down Andi’s character, but it seems like no one seems to get her since Space Knight. This hurts here because this isn’t just any other writer’s handiwork here, this is Bunn, the guy who came up with Andi.

What I’m talking about is how Andi seems to have inherited Eddie’s old ‘Symbiotes are the Devil’ mentality.

Ever since Venom Inc., it seems no one can make sense of Andi. In Inc. she goes from trying to get the Mania symbiote back from Fuckface McEdgelord, to not even trying to get it back at all.

But now, in this preview, we’ve got Andi having nightmares about being attacked by the Mania symbiote, and how she’s trying to move on but it’s ‘always going to be a part of her she can’t escape!’, and how she refers to being bonded to a symbiote as ‘possessed’ by it.

She even trashes on Flash a little bit, of course, we don’t have the whole story just yet, so we don’t know if the barb of ‘Flash sucked at being a super hero’ bit leads into her complementing him.

The bit about the symbiote just makes no sense to me, especially since all of this could be used to describe her feelings about the Hellmark, which makes more sense. Andi and Mania both feared the Hellmark, not the other way around.

I don’t know if this is Bunn’s choice, or if this is Marvel Editors meddling with Bunn again (which happens a LOT), or if this is Cates’ handiwork because he wants Bunn to conform to whatever story he’s trying to tell with Absolute Carnage.

It’s especially weird that Andi has this hate-on for symbiotes now because the event seems to imply she will get Mania back, somehow (either through the codex or via pulling her symbiote out of Carnage’s guts).

I’m excited for Andi to be back but for the love of God Marvel, quit trashing on her and Flash!

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I get that people don't like Donny Cates' run of Venom (hell I don't like it either).

But if you're going to say Costa did a better job by comparison, simply because he wrote 'symbrock' (which wasn't even a thing at the time and people acknowledged as creepy and weird). Basing everything solely on what people took away from that trash movie. I'm sorry but, no.

Costa's run was arguably just as bad if not worse. The character writing was non-existent and people pretty much despised it at first because of garbage like Lee Price. Worse than that, he threw a wrench into so much of Flash and Venom's character growth to pander to people's Eddie Boner that it was honestly disgusting.

Not to mention what he and Slott DID to Andi Benton.

Sleeper is a maniac, not your precious symbrock baby.

Eddie and Venom are not a couple, stop romanticizing what is basically an abusive relationship (I'm not sure which is Worse, this ship or the amount of tentacle porn symbiotes get on a Google search).

Mike Costa is a known douchebag to any of his fans, just like Cates.

Everything from 2016 onwards for Venom has been crap, seriously. Go and read Venom 2011, a MUCH better run. Or go read Lethal Protector.

Leave the movie and all the comics from 2016 onwards in the garbage.

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So Stegman confirmed Mania is off Price (Can’t say for sure since he’s blocked me on twitter, I only heard this from a friend).

Well Marvel, I’m waiting for the symbiote to go back to its rightful partner!

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@bonesandbrimstone

I was high on Cates when he first started. I liked the horror bent he brought…but the changes he keeps making, and the nose dive into grimdark is just…yikes. The stuff with Anne is just too much. I’m half expecting to see him have Carnage dig up Flash and rip his spine out.

I’ve had friends theorize about how Flash could come back in this story, and be the key part in putting Carnage/Knull down. but then I’m reminded about how Cates has made it clear he wants Flash to stay perma-dead.

While I was initially sympathetic to Cates when the symbrockers started sending him death threats, my well of sympathies dried up after what he did to Anne. In just a few issues, Cates has managed to lose a ton of credibility, and respect, and has proven he can’t write women unless he’s doing something horrible to them.

Like, I just want this and the 2016 run just scrapped and for things to go back to the way they were in Space Knight.

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lowkey talked to Mr. Cates and he mentioned Andis has a role in his main book, supposedly after. Also who knows you may teamed up with Grandpa Eddie and Uncle Mac.

He’s been saying that since the start. THat was why I was initially so enthusiastic for his run, after the dumpster fire that was Costa’s 2016 series that should have never happened with a paper thin Eddie, and Fuckface McEdgelord.

While I’m hopeful Cullen Bunn won’t kill Andi off and she survives her encounter with Carnage, it’s pretty clear Marvel has no interest in Andi, at all, unless she can be used as a damsel or a punching bag. Her whole role in Venom Inc was to just get beaten up and make Lee Price look like an actual threat.

If Andi survives, yes, I’d be enthusiastic to see her have a bigger role in comics, maybe even leave enough of an impact that Marvel will put her in another title. But at the same time, considering Cates’ track record when it comes to writing women in Venom;

He retconned Eddie’s sister out of existence by claiming Venom altered Eddie’s memory to make him THINK he had a sister.

He brought Scorn back and made her the creator of a cult to bring back Carnage, despite Scorn HATING Carnage and Cletus with a passion. He also followed this up by having Scorn get cannibalized by Carnage.

And most recently, he implied the Venom symbiote impregnated Anne Weying when she became She-Venom, aka, Venom raped Anne, and Cates has DEFENDED this plot point.

I’ll be honest, I don’t want Cates anywhere NEAR Andi, because God only knows what kind of messed up shit he’d make her do.

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On the one hand, Fuckface is dead. On the other hand, what the hell?