#Cain's dehumanization of her and Bruce's dehumanization of her? Or even worse that at least at first she doesn't see any problem with it?
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Batman never argues for the sake of compassion or rehabilitation in UTRH. Batman was especially callous, punitive, and lacking compassion throughout that early 00s era. He was not championing compassion, rehabilitation, redemption, justice system reform, or (HA!) abolitionism in UTRH—he did not have faith in those things for *the kind of people* whom Red Hood murdered, and he did not have faith in those things for Jason himself.
Every single person that Jason hurt is someone that Batman would hurt. Every single person that Jason murdered is someone that Batman would've unhesitatingly thrown away to rot in prison (a prison system explicitly shown and stated to be outrageously inhumane even by the horrifying standards of the USA).
If the person was lucky, then prison would reform him sufficiently that he could be employed through Wayne Enterprises (Gotham City's biggest employer) once he got out after... however long he'd been sentenced. Non-violent felonies can earn years, decades of prison time. Or if he was unlucky he'd be killed by one of the regular prison-breaks staged by Batman's rogues (including Red Hood that one time when a Batman kept him in prison, but more consistently by other repeat rogues).
Red Hood's argument is ''blah blah my crime is not like the other crime‚ my new cycle of violence is totally better than the current 20-year-old cycle of violence.'' Batman's argument is not "we can't throw criminals away‚ they're people just like us :("‚ but instead more like ''ew Jason has succumbed to his inherent criminal nature‚ sucks how he needs to be thrown away with the rest of the susperstitious and cowardly lot.''
#UTRH#The Tragedy of UTRH#Leslie Thompkins is the only one who is right#Red ''Not Like the Other Criminals'' Hood#BTW is this the part where I say that#the fanon pro-compassion UTRH Batman that people make up in their heads is the Cass that should conflict with Jason in canon?#Or do we just insist that Cass easily kicks Jason's ass like a girlboss and so insightfully declares Jason is totally just like David Cain#even though one of the most chilling aspects of Batgirl 2000 is Cass' seeming inability to consciously recognize the commonalities between#Cain's dehumanization of her and Bruce's dehumanization of her? Or even worse that at least at first she doesn't see any problem with it?#Just a couple of egotistical patriarchs and their child projects.#You want to talk about scale? About structure? Politics?#anti batman#anti red hood#anti batfamily#I admit I'm exaggerating Batman's callousness a bit in this post. A bit.#He does express love toward his sons and genuine shame in himself in UTRH‚ in an unusually humbled way#which is more than can be said in much of canon and really obnoxious fanon.#This side of him is actually pretty endearing and sympathetic to me.#Bruce actually shows some self-awareness. I think in this moment he does hate the violence. That hydra he's been beheading.#He was really cool for that.#fandom discourse
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