#CUT IT OUT YAMCHA

[deathmetalunicorn1]

Hello, and if it's okay to request?

Eri! Reader in Dragon Ball universe?

-It was an accident gone wrong, due to too much power in Bulma’s latest invention, which was supposed to be a newer version of the gravity chamber, meant to replicate increased gravity for Vegeta and the other fighters who were constantly coming to train.

-Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Tien, Krillin, 18, Yamcha, and Chichi, despite not looking to train, were all in attendance to see Bulma turn on her newest invention but there was a sudden surge of power and the next thing everyone knew was that there was a swirling portal in the center of the room, but nobody could see what was on the other side.

-When Bulma was getting ready to cut the power, not wanting to risk a backlash of energy, a small figure ran out, a little child- you, looking like you were running from something.

-As soon as you ran out, the portal vanished and immediately there was a backlash of energy that totaled the room. Vegeta ran and grabbed you, shielding you from the falling debris while Goten and Trunks took care of Bulma as the rest all quickly fled from the aftermath.

-You were such a tiny child, smaller than Trunks and Goten, with a small horn on your head, but despite being safe in Vegeta’s arms, you looked downright terrified.

-Bulma and Chichi were quick to approach, with Bulma taking you into her arms and she instantly froze as Chichi gasped, pulling back with her hands over her mouth, as they saw your legs and arms wrapped in bandages, poorly, revealing the scars on your little body, as if you had been experimented on.

-You were surprised, seeing these adults actually panicking, seeing that you were hurt, as you were taken to a hospital, which you were scared about, thinking they were going to be like Overhaul, but they were so gentle, seeing that you were terrified of them.

-Once you were patched up, Bulma picked you up, holding you on her hip as she returned home with you. She told you about the machine that brought you here, and you told her how you had been running from someone named Overhaul, whom she believed did this to you, and when you saw the pretty sparkling portal, you ran for it and wound up here.

-You were a little shy with all these new faces, but they were all nice to you, asking your name and introducing themselves to you before Bulma told them all what you had told her, about someone named Overhaul who was experimenting on you for your quirk.

-Your eyes were wide, learning that this world didn’t have quirks, which you explained were special abilities. Your ability was something called Rewind, which let you rewind things to a certain point, like wounds, but it wasn’t like healing.

-They had abilities in this world, using natural energy and strength to fly and perform feats of strength that would have only been possible if they had a quirk.

-You were surprised when Bulma agreed to take you in, as did the other Z-Fighters, who all knew that there were people in this world that would be doing the same thing Overhaul was doing, if they knew about your ability, so the safest place for you was with them.

-You learned how to be a normal kid, running around and playing, Trunks and Goten taught you how to have fun and while surprised at first at the big eaters in your new family, they introduced you to all sorts of tasty food.

-This new world was strange, but you didn’t want to go back, refusing Bulma’s offer of her trying to find you a way home, but to a safe place where you could be rescued. You wanted to stay here, and she couldn’t help but agree, allowing you to be safe.

-You couldn’t be happier in this new world, you had new friends, a new family of people who kept you safe, treated you nicely, and fed you yummy things- you were so glad you ran towards that sparkly portal!

[tinfoil-jones]

In a Nutshell: For Your Own Good (Ch 16-20)

Ch 11-15 In a Nutshell

Chapter 16:

Bill: Hey Sixer, do you want to hear an Epic the Musical reference? Ford: What?

Chapter 17:

Stan and Fiddleford: *having a great time in town* MEANWHILE... Ford: This is the worst day of my life. Caryn: Worst day of your life so far.

Chapter 18:

Fiddleford: Why did you lie about Stan being kicked out? Ford: Ford: First of all, you weren't there. And second, it happened, like, REALLY fast

Chapter 19:

Ford: Stanley, I think you got him... Stan: YOU WANT WHAT HE'S HAVING? Gremloblin: *Yamcha death pose*

(SPOILERS below the cut)

Chapter 20:

Ford: Someone please tell me what happened to my brother. Bill: Oh, he died alone.  Ford: Bill: Literally his worst nightmare came true. Ford: Bill: He got better.

Ch 21-25 In a Nutshell

[shannonsketches]

Do you think Vegeta liked Bulma in the early series (Cell Saga), like when he lived with her? When do you think his feeling for her actually happened? And who do you think made the first move?

Sorry if I’m bothering you with these questions.

You are never bothering me by prompting me to yell about two of my oldest blorbos lol

I have a few different ways I feel about this, but my "main" headcanon is that Vegeta and Bulma bonded with trust well before they bonded with romance, but it probably had a lot of crossover emotion for two people who don't really thrive in the trust department.

I don't care much for how the anime frames it, and I don't think anything happened between them until well after she and Yamcha broke up, but I do choose to believe that Yamcha noticed a natural kinship before either of them did.

Vegeta comes from a very, very cutting edge society and while he's not a machinist, he is very analytically-minded and much more scientific than Bulma's usual crew. He was probably the first person outside of her dad that she could actually talk to about her interests without a back-handed compliment about her looks or glazed-over eyes while she infodumps about an invention. Likewise, Toriyama noted in one of his more recent(?) interviews that once he was on Earth, Vegeta trusted Bulma to help him, which is something he really hadn't done with anyone else (aside from begging Goku to kill Freeza (which Vegeta very loudly noticed Goku did not do)) unless it was literally their job (ex. Freeza's medical staff -- who surgically removed his tail the first chance they got).

I have zero doubt Bulma made the first move, but I also have no doubt that Vegeta let her, which imo is a pretty big move in and of itself for someone who wouldn't even accept a handshake from a grateful child. My personal hc is that he wouldn't have let her if he wasn't already feeling some kind of way, but I don't think he had a name for it until much later. Between his disinterest in Nappa's suggestion of breeding powerful halflings, his vocal opinions about comfort being weakness to Cui, and one of his consistent traits being that he never drops his guard - I always hc'd the self-indulgence of accepting a lover probably felt as reckless and dangerous to him as hopping into bed with a murderous space-mobster felt to her. I think they probably both knew when the Cell problem got Real (the way folks do when faced with the end of the world), but I don't think they really landed on the same page about what it meant or what they wanted to be to each other until Trunks was 2 or 3.

I do think that having a beefy spaceman to go home and make out with whenever she wanted made it real hard for Bulma to date in the meantime, though.

[tobiasdrake]

You previously anaylzed Yamcha's fighting style and the flaws he doesn't overcome. Do you have any thoughts on how Krillin fights?

Krillin's fighting style is one of my favorites, to be honest. He's a dedicated pragmatist, ready and willing to do whatever it takes to win. His techniques and strategies are deceptive and tricksy, always on the lookout for a way to circumvent the straight fight.

Krillin's fighting style is all about cutting the knot. It's just a shame that, Dragon Ball being what it is, his methods run counter to its central philosophies and so he is doomed to constant failure.

We get our first glimpse of the kind of fighter Krillin is going to be when he defeats Goku in the rock hunt on the first day of their training.

He first tries to win the competition by forging a counterfeit rock. But when the Muten-Roshi sees through that, he instead uses his counterfeit to fake out Goku and steal the real rock for himself.

He's narratively punished for this victory when his reward dinner poisons him via badly prepared pufferfish. But we see the foundations of what will become his martial style beginning to take root here.

Krillin is a tricky trickster. His goal is to be the guy still standing at the end of the fight. That's what he's here for. Though he does quickly soften up and become Goku's Male Bestie (opposited Bulma as Goku's Female Bestie), he carries this pragmatism with him as he begins to develop his skills.

Note that this is not to say Krillin isn't a capable fighter in his own right. As a pupil of Kame-senryu, he is a formidable martial artist. He begins to show the fruits of his martial training as early as the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, where he crushes one of the monks that used to bully him in the preliminaries. He also pressures his own mentor, the Muten-Roshi, by raw skill alone.

Krillin's got the skills and he uses them. When I say he's underhanded and deceitful, I don't mean instead of fighting straight. It's a weapon in his toolbelt but not the only one. Nonetheless, it's a potent one, as he nearly defeats the Muten-Roshi via a special technique that only Krillin would devise.

Goddammit, Roshi.

He starts out using these kinds of underhanded tricks to compliment his martial arts. But as he grows as a martial artist, he begins to incorporate strategies like this into his art itself.

Aside from a brief and mostly offscreen bout with General Blue, his next significant fights are in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. His fight with Chiaotzu demonstrates the way Krillin's sneakiness and martial training complement one another, as a major spotlight of it is his ki exchange with Chiaotzu.

Chiaotzu, like Tenshinhan, is a trained wielder of the Dodonpa. A lethal technique first introduced by the assassin Taopaipai, designed to fire a thin ki bullet from one finger, straight through its target for a mortal blow.

To counter this, Krillin attempts to perform the Kamehameha for the very first time. Which. Is. Absolutely stupid and reckless, as the Muten-Roshi notes. Baby's First Kamehameha is a poor choice to defend himself from the Dodonpa.

Or it would be, if that were the plan.

This is Krillin's strength in action. He fakes out everyone with an in @ Me Bruh bluff and then skirts around the direct competition to blindside Chiaotzu when he isn't looking. This is what a tricky trickster martial artist looks like.

In his next match with Goku, we see Krillin's ruthless pragmatism on full display. He devises his own version of Tenshinhan's Taiyoken/Solar Flare.

And he nearly wins by a tail when he once again breaks out his weak, improvised Kamehameha.

This bluff is brilliant. He gets Goku's focus on the Kamehameha while his true goal is Goku's tail. Unfortunately for him, Goku - under advisement from both the Muten-Roshi and his Grandpa Gohan - has been training his body to rid himself of that critical flaw over the last three years. His tail no longer saps his energy when it's grabbed.

But if Goku were still the same fighter Krillin knew before, this bluff would have been game-ending for their semifinal match. Krillin's abilities both in martial arts and in knot-cutting have advanced substantially. It's just that Goku's have advanced as well.

Krillin only gets one fight in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. But he goes hard.

In the three years since last tournament, Krillin's devised bending ki blasts that home in on their target. Holy shit, what a stellar-

GOT YOU SUCKER THAT'S A FAKEOUT IT'S KRILLER TIME

Krillin's invented bending ki blasts that home in on their target as a distraction. Sadly for Krillin, characters at this point are beginning to distribute Bukujutsu, the Flying Technique, among themselves so surprise ringouts aren't an option anymore. Piccolo's been capable of performing Bukujutsu since his previous life.

Krillin loses the match, though he does force an admission from Piccolo that martial artists of his caliber will make the world difficult to conquer.

The next chance Krillin has to put his skills on display comes six years later when the Saiyans attack the Earth. Vegeta and Nappa grow their six Saibamen, forcing the Earthlings to entertain them by battling these veggie monsters. Tenshinhan and Yamcha handily defeat two of them, though Yamcha's killed by a surprise attack.

And then Krillin decides enough is enough and makes his move: Opening fire directly on Nappa and Vegeta with everything he's got.

A fool's attack guaranteed to fail against the insurmountable might of the Saiyan-no, wait, what's he doing?

Ha, fuck you, he was aiming for the Saibamen the whole time! Made ya look. Though he does also hit Nappa and Vegeta for good measure.

Krillin is technically the first Earthling to ever land a hit on either of these guys. Imagine that. It doesn't do shit to them, but still.

This fight also brings out Krillin's ultimate technique. The epitome of his skills, the final fruits of his labors, the be-all end-all of Krillin Techniques. You already know what I'm talking about.

This. This, right here. The Kienzan/Destructo Disc is peak Krillin. Literally a knife with which to cut the knot. Everyone else is throwing ki punches except those assassins shooting ki bullets. And Krillin stops to ask, "What if I sharpened my ki into a buzzsaw so I can slice open an opponent's flesh rather than trying to beat them at punching?"

Prior to Goku's arrival, this technique from one of the weakest fighters on this field is the closest the overconfident Nappa ever comes to defeat.

Nappa outright tries to take it like a punch. But for Vegeta paying the fuck attention, this would have taken his head clean off. Even Frieza can't resist it.

Because it's not something you resist. It's a buzzsaw. It doesn't hit, it cleaves. It's a technique that's so utterly Krillin in nature.

In fact, the entire Namek arc in general is peak Krillin. A three-way tug-of-war over the Dragon Balls between Frieza's ungodly might, Vegeta's rogue wildcard antics and deadly force, and Krillin being a tricky trickster gunning for any opportunity to scoop victory out from under them.

That Krillin wins.

This is the key to Krillin's longevity as a character. Like the rest of the cast, he eventually falls victim to inability to keep pace with Goku's advances, and becomes further and further de-emphasized from the big action pieces of Dragon Ball.

Krillin's tricky methods were rarely allowed to grant him much success in the ring due to the way they chafe against Dragon Ball's tone. This simply isn't a series where ruthless pragmatism and knot-cutting generally wins the fight. But those same methods also gave him staying power and an ability to continue influencing the plot of Dragon Ball long after he ceased to be relevant as a fighter.

Krillin's style is designed to punch above his weight class, and he's in general a tricky trickster outside of the ring too. The result of this is tremendous staying power as a weaker character brushing elbows with the titanic super gods of the cast. He may not be the clincher in a fight but there's almost always something for a pragmatist like him to do.

[xnixnbvg]

Alright, time to rip the bandaid off, no. I do not life Bulma or Vegeta. The reason being is simple:

Bulma's the main reason why, Yamcha's treated like shit. Toriyama made a stupid reason for why Bulma decided to breakup with Yamcha when that could NEVER happen.

The thing is, Yamcha's scared of women, I feel once he gets over it, he's intensely loyal. To say the reason why Bulma cheated was because he cheated is insane character mischararization. I do not believe he cheated. People seem to think "It happened off screen" well unless it happened with my own two virgin eyes then it didn't happen.

Reminder, Bulma also flirted with other men when she was STILL WITH Yamcha, did any of you call her out? No, you didn't because apparently lack of accountability is a given for golden girl here.

I hate how Toriyama's excuse and later writing made Yamcha the way he is, I feel as though I want to literally have him cut off everyone and become famous, Yamcha's friends may be his friends butt he dude seems to be constantly forgotten and left behind that I am certain the Z-Fighters don't like him (Angst lol) I just feel very sad for him.

Probably because I am his number one glazer, but I literally do not care for the explanations that Yamcha deserved to be dumped because this is a example of show not tell. You didn't show us he's a cheater, you TOLD US he was, this is bad writing and everyone should know it.

"B-But Bulma-"

Bulma is incredibly petty. He probably got women's attention and he showed them a BIT of it, Bulma has a history of being selfish so it wouldn't be a far of a stretch. There's a reason why Vegeta doesn't bother looking at other women, it's because Bulma has him on her leash. Plus Saiyan's canonically like being DV because it's strong (Which in my honest opinion being beat by your wife is not a good thing to like.)

I licherally do not care if Bulma x Vegeta is good or not, it's literally generic tsundere and bratty girl trope. I do not care for it, I do not like it here or there, I do not like it anywhere, I do not like it, I do not like VegeBul I do not like them, Sam-I-Am. You can like them, but honestly I don't. My opinion remains. It's even more telling that the fandom cannot even think of ONE good original idea for these two. Just the same generic canonical BS or cunt and pasted AU idea they have. That's why I hate it, and I'd rather focus on Yamcha. R.I.P Launch just like Tien you were forgotten by the narrative.

Yamcha deserves better then this shitty copout seriously.

[angelicsatin]

Tang Tian ♡ˎˊ˗ | Confectionary for the Z-Fighters (DBS Era)

art credit to @ taidaken on instagram note: this is her design & appearance ref for Dragon Ball Super. Still waiting / working on her earlier designs.

Name: Tian Tang (Tang Tian) Nicknames: Tang Tang, Tangy Height: 5’1 (155cm) Ethnicity: Chinese Species: Human Age: 43-49 (DBS), 25-39 (DBZ), 14-20 (DB) Birthday: February 14, 737  Zodiac: Aquarius Gender: Cis female Sexuality: Panromantic Demisexual Blood Type: B Status: Alive Occupation: Heir to the Tian Family’s Pastry & Confectionary Shop + Baker to the Z-Fighters & especially Lord Beerus Parents: Gāodiãn Tian (father) & Caomei Tian (mother) Romantic Interest(s): Lord Beerus, Lord Frieza MBTI: ESFP Enneagram: 7w6 Power Level: 120 (T1) TBD (T2, being trained by Frieza)

keep reading under the cut for more detailed info <3

Importantෆ 

Overall I have 2 ‘timelines’ for her. Her main timeline ties directly to the main anime/manga timeline, in which she ends up shipped with Beerus. 

While the timeline she’s shipped with Frieza directly runs with her Beerus timeline, the timeline splits following the Tournament of Power– where instead of staying with Beerus and her friends all the time, she accompanies Frieza with the Frieza Force.

For organizational purposes, each timeline is numbered. 

Tang’s main timeline, where she is with Beerus is T1.

The timeline that splits off that one, where she ends up with Frieza is T2.

Fun Factsෆ

Her power level is explained by her childhood in the wilderness + training from Tien Shinhan at multiple points through the series to acclimate her power level just below Chi-Chi’s. 

Tang's full name means 'Sugar Sweet' or 'Sweet Sugar'

Her parents' names also follow the naming rule Toriyama placed

Tang is the inventor/creator of the ‘Z-Boosting Cupcakes’ as she calls them, which are an alternative to the food pills Capsule Corp. supplies with extra. Said alternative offers the same kind of boost as a food pill (ie, full stomach, increased stamina, replenished health, etc.) but instead of either a flavorless or bitter food pill, in the form of a sugary sweet cupcake. Each different flavor provides a different power boost type. They kick in quicker than food pills but do not last as long – requiring more cupcake consumption. 

In the anime/manga, she would be nothing but a supporting character. In any game, only an add-on or support type.

Her role in Beerus’ life is both as a romantic partner and unofficial attendant of some sort. Similar to Whis, she lives on his planet and carries out duties to keep the Destroyer God happy. Some examples include the sorts of chores Vegeta and Goku do when training there, as well as cooking and cleaning overall to allow Whis more time to relax. 

With Tang’s role as his ‘unofficial attendant,’ Tang is allowed to accompany Beerus almost anywhere he pleases.

When shipped with Frieza, Tang is simply referred to by the Frieza Force soldiers as 'Lord Frieza's Companion,' and is never supposed to experience disrespect from them.

By Super, Tang has used one Dragon Ball wish. She requests Shenron bestow her with knowledge of every written culinary recipe on earth, but she knows there are recipes out there that are unwritten and unknown to her, which drives her to try to create her own.

Sometime following the Broly Arc, Tang begins to be trained by Frieza in the timeline where she is shipped with him. Her power level in this timeline is undetermined due to how powerful Frieza is and dependent on how much she is capable of as is.

Info For All Timelinesෆ

She doesn’t know who her birth parents are, and from as early as she can remember, she had lived deep in Mount Paozu until a man found her. She’d grow to call him Father, a kind bakery owner traveling through the mountains on a delivery run named Gāodiãn Tian. 

Shortly after Bulma and Yamcha broke up, Tang and Yamcha began to date after he regularly visited her family business. However, a similar fate befalls them when Yamcha’s unfaithfulness becomes even too much for Tang as it did Bulma.

This brings the two women closer, and Bulma and Tang relate with one another. They spend ‘girl time’ together complaining about boys and whatever other nonsense comes to mind.

(eventually, i'll upload the complete list / writing I have for all of Tang's appearances or how the anime would be different with her presence. it's currently being worked on more than halfway through DBS and working backward to DBZ next and then DB.)

Personalityෆ

Positive Traits: Ambitious, Optimistic, Sweet, Respectful, Gentle, Energetic, Playful, Silly, Imaginative, Innocent, Simple, Curious, Supportive, Nurturing, Obedient, Friendly, Wholesome, Generous, Charming, Efficient, Passionate, Affectionate 

Negative Traits: Dimwitted, Naive, Overly-Trusting, Too-Forgiving, Ignorant, Childish at times, Spoiled, Foolish, Gullible, Careless

Likes 

Beerus

Frieza

Piccolo

Baking

Watching Martial Arts Tournaments (or similar things)

Making Food For Others 

Climbing Trees

Mountain Climbing

Sunny Days

Space

Good Hygiene

Giving Gifts

“Strong People.” – Tang 

Tails (She just thinks they’re neat)

Dislikes 

Thunderstorms/Rainy Weather

Close Toed Shoes

Frost (“Off-brand Frieza from Universe 6”)

“All that high-tech stuff Bulma does.” – Tang, probably.

Making Clothes (She can, but hates to)

Sewing

Sleeping in the woods/any type of camping or “roughing it”

Training (herself, she likes to watch her friends train)

Bitter or Bland Food

[seilnakyle]

the way we don’t even see this fight and just hard cut to Damian in a yamcha crater takes me out every time 😭😭😭

[z0-ne]

Hi! It’s me again I was wondering if I could request another goku + younger sister reader but this time can it be but like them being siblings and them doing sibling stuff (Hc’s please 😚🫶)

HIIII! Yes! If you couldn't tell by now I love doing any platonic goku stuff its so cute and fun to think abt

GOKU AS Y0UR BIG BROTHER!

• Okay so just an FYI, you weren't raised by your big brother. Sorry, chi chi has enough stress with sayains as is, and not enough budget for three mouths again.

•Also, because you didn't hit your head when you landed, you werent exactly good.

•Not to say you were 'Abduct his child' type evil, probably because you're only four years older than Goten, but tou weren't good either. You blew up some stuff, injured people and tried to establish your dominance over the planet, gave Yamcha several heart attacks, and you had No idea who Vegeta was.

•So when they tried to get him to order you around that clearly backfired when his authority was tested by a sassy adolescent.

•"cease this absurd behavior! Your prince demands it!"

•It didn't help that he was wearing the pink shirt with some odd sandels. You looked him up and down before you scoffed.

•"Sorry princess, but I don't listen to stupid men in pink."

•Safe to say, you were a jerk, Goku knocked you out and Vegeta had to sit this fight out or he'd strangle a child.

•It took yall a while to get along, not because of trust issues from Raditz but because you were low-key evil too and you didn't like ANYONE at first.

•Hell it took a while to get you to stop being territorial or just flat out running away.

•Goku was the last person you bonded with, and that was because he kept having to drag you back home with your teeth latched into his arm.

•"Hey there- AH!" he cries out as you lunge at him and sink your teeth into his arm,, he swings his arm around hoping to detach you but its like you're locked on!

•"Ouch! Who just goes around biting people?!"

•Things changed a bit when you guys actually got along though. I guess the biting brought you closer??

•Goku doesn't visit that much, when it isn't involving training. I mean, the guy has work and trains with gods. He's very busy, but he makes time for you.

•Since you're close to gotens age but also a few years older, he likes to make time to pick you up from school to hang out with him and Goten for a bit.

•Its not like he just snatches you up out of school, he knows better, he's a father afterall, but after-school he's always excited to pick you and Goten up.

•"Hey! Ready to go?"

•However sometimes he forgets that he can't fly in public. Easy slip up, can you blame him though? It's as natural as walking!

°"Goku! You're flying!"

•"oh! Shoot!"

•Outings and shopping sprees are rare but he has experience with Chi Chi so he learned how to juggle the bags you throw to him while you go crazy in the mall.

•He doesn't mind it though because its a way to spend time with a non-deadly family member. Although he questions how deadly you are when it comes to a sale.

•"Hey! Thats on sale!"

°"But didn't that lady already cut infront to take it?"

•"That doesn't mean I'm gonna let her keep it!"

•Its like watching deers headbutt eachother. Then you just come back with the biggest grin holding up the shirt you wanted and adding it to the pile.

•When it comes to the food I pray for the people cooking..

•The two of you together have nearly been banned due to how much you eat, one restaurant offered to pay you two to just leave and stop ordering.

•You guys do play fight, at random times too.

•One minute you're getting along and they next, one of you is punching the other in the face.

•Goku bites. It's Canon, we see it all the time so don't think he won't chomp down just because yall are play fighting.

•it might also be payback for when you bit him...

[ubtendo]

Now that I'm finally though with DBZ here a some ver general bullet points I made while watching of things I'm still thinking about after watching the whole thing (- the movies, I'm still gonna catch up to them) in a somewhat chronological order

The fact that we had that Goku and Gohan eyecatcher for 200 episodes and Gohan wore that outfit for 5 episodes at most

Every jump or dodge is on an olypmic gymnast level of complexity, like why was Goku doing so much when he jumped down from the Nimbus to face Raditz? Did he learn that from Kami or what?

Saiyans wearing only slips under their armor

Nobody mentions the complete colour change of Vegetas pallete from his first appearance; red head Vegeta will always be true to me 😔

I'm still not sure if they ever restored the moon after the second time they blew it up

How is Yajirobe getting up and down Korrins tower? I know he has a flying car, but where does he park it?

King Kai's presence as an unreliable narrator irritated me somehow

I don't get how Yamcha's death is such a meme? Like I don't question it's existence but him getting dragged so much even though there were way funnier deaths imo

I think this was also the last time Chiaotzu was relevant in any form

Why introduce the Saiyans as this cool alien giant monkey race if you never go anywhere with it after the Saiyan saga?

Vegeta crying out all the pent-up frustration from being used as a slave by Freeza at Goku's feet and Goku being emotionally unavailable to the whole thing

There is no way Goku would have been able to start Freeza's ship if it didn't crash into the core, I refuse to believe his button mashing had any thought behind it, that man does not know how to start a spaceship

The sounds of the planet exploding everywhere while Goku and Freeza are fighting haunt me

Bulma is so freaky for flirting with Porunga

Death has literally no consequences

Popo and Kami running for like an entire episode while Piccolo Gohan and Krillin were fighting was so funny

Also, Popo and Kami are a married couple, don't come at me. I'm just stating the facts

Freeza coming back from death and introduced back as this bloodthirsty entry out for revenge along with his father, who we've never seen before, only to be cut up by a teenager with a cool sword immediately upon arrival

So many situations and problems could have been avoided if Goku actually properly used Instant Transmission and I'm not fighting on that one

ChiChi must be the most loyal and faithful person on the planet if her man is dead or absent throughout most of the time

The whole drivers licence episode is peak to me

Piccolo telling Kami he needs to fuse with him again, Kami rejecting the idea saying he still needs time to think about it then agreeing immediately after 5 seconds

I don't get the logistics of Trunks hair growth. At the same time, boy drop the routine

The super saiyans of the Cell Saga were peak designs

Somehow Goku being really relaxed the days before the Cell Games really unsettled me

ChiChi saying thery were late to Kame House because Goku left them in the car and non of them knew how to drive while KRILLIN, who we have seen driving a car in the beginning of DBZ, was sitting in the back; I guess he just didn't want to drive with ChiChi

What's the purpose of the guardian of the Earth again? Except the making the dragon balls neither Kami nor Dende ever really did anything

When I first saw 16 all those years back I was judging him hard, but he has grown on me a lot

Imagine getting hit so hard by a 11 y/o that you start throwing up people

Except 18, there aren't any female fighters. I wish ChiChi would have stayed one

The new eyecatcher, especially the one with King Kai and Goku is so funky I love it

Goten and Trunks are a better depiction of children acting their age then Gohan was (tbf he was casted out in the wild for a year on his own but I digress)

Goku speaking to his son from the dead after 7 years of silence, only for him to announce that he basically has a day off from being dead and wanted to join a fighting tournament because he is bored

I had to stop and sit for a moment after hearing Daboras english voice

Vegeta really said "I started loving my life and I hate the fact that I love my life so I'm evil again"

Out of all the traumatic events happening in the series, Goku yelling at Goten and Trunks to stop whining after they learned that Gohan and Vegeta are dead has to be the worst one

"Super Saiyan 2" "Super Saiyan 3" Man just give the forms actual names

I didn't like SSJ3 at the beginning, but I've come to like the neanderthal look of it

Piccolo throughout the whole Buu Saga was peak, man was so lost and terrified

Also the interactions between Gotenks and Piccolo

Gohan and Goku playing catch with a sword and a boulder probably counted as "Father-Son bonding time" to Goku

Gohan and Buu getting in the same fighting positions as Goku and Vegeta did in their first fight wss actually really dope; I was kicking my feet on the bed

I've cried tears of laughter when Tien showed up for half an episode, almost died and then left

They should have used Solar Flare way more often

This is so random but ChiChi, Bulma and Videl chilling with Dabora

Goku and Vegeta throughout the whole saga had me like🤨

Vegito 💖💕😮🫵💖💕💞

Humans are the worst race in every Sci-fi; they get told that they only have to raise their hands to save the universe and they still don't do it

If Goku and Vegeta had a mad make out session after the fight with Buu I wouldn't have been surprised

People get shot in the right shoulder/chest way too often; PICK AN OTHER SPOT THE HEART IS ON THE OTHER SIDE

Everyone has goldfish memory. They keep forgetting things that have been established MULTIPLE TIMES

Ngl, the end had me a bit emotional

Aaaahhh, sorry for the long post. I got way too enthusiastic about the whole show because I really loved it 😔🥺

[rinmemesuoka]

I kept waiting for someone else to clip it but I see now that I must take one for the team.

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Transcript under the cut.

Sylvi: Yamcha fucked around with that spirit ball, too, and it didn’t work out for him.

Dre, cross-talk: Noooo it didn’t.

Keith, cross-talk: But--!

Austin, laughing: It didn’t!

Keith: Yamcha has one thing that no one else can say they have, which is the brains—The--

Austin, cross-talk: A-A good ex-girlfriend? Or-- I don’t know, what’s--

Sylvi: I can say that.

Keith: He had the—He had the good—He had the good sense to just stop training after the Frieza arc. He just goes, “Nah, I can’t hang anymore.”

Austin, cross-talk: Oh yeah.

Sylvi, laughing: He retired!

Keith: He retired!

Austin: He went to baseball--He goes back to baseball, right?

Keith, while Sylvi laughs: He goes, “I got—I got—I got—I got extremely cucked, harder than anyone’s ever been cucked in the world--

Dre, cross-talk: Jesus.

Austin, cross-talk: Jesus christ!

Keith: My girlfriend went to another planet to bring me back--

Sylvi, cross-talk: Yeah—No—For—Listen!

Keith: And while I was coming back to life, she got knocked up by the guy who killed me--

[Austin cackles]

Keith: And! And, my best friend is one-million times stronger than me? I’m going home.

[zeevoidlight]

Why do the Z fighters even keep Vegeta around if he's seemingly irredeemable

I have seen this question over and over again. Why do everyone seem to forgive him and endure all his bullshit.

Well I thought about it, and re-watching the start to the android saga I found the answer and is quite simple really.

Krillin is the one that actually explains it quite well to Bulma when they are deciding what to do with the Dr Gero menace. Basically he says that they can count that Piccolo slowly has changed to being a good guy and they can make sure that he will eventually become friends with them. But Vegeta is a wild card, and they don't actually know if he can ever change his evil nature, but it is convenient for Vegeta to still stick around, and them to be in his good side, because even if he is a bad guy he is useful because of his power (how strong he is is also why they have to be careful with how they handle him), and is much better to have him as a friend. And who knows, maybe with time he'll become an actual friend as well, because in his experience that's what always happens with most bad guys that basically get united under Goku's banner.

(And that's why Krillin agrees with the Saiyan's absolutely insane and stupid plan to not go after Gero in that moment and kill him, and better wait until the androids are made, against all logic. Because he prefers to think ahead and play his cards now regarding the Z team's delicate future).

And he's right

Why do they always seem to forgive him. They don't necessarily forgive him, like Ten ShinHan and his ever lasting grudge against Vegeta, or Yamcha and his personal rivalry with him, Piccolo respects Vegeta as a fighter but he cannot stand him as a person. They don't even have to like having him around, like most of the Z fighters. It's just like that necessary evil they need to have around because having him as an enemy would be much worse, so they better try to become friends and that includes enduring bullshit and maybe forgive but not forget.

But also it is clear, in the Cell saga mostly, that Vegeta can also become the Black Sheep of the group and get blamed for everything he does and everything he doesn't behind his back. He can get called out for his bullshit, but others aren't. He gets blamed for his shortcomings but others aren't. Focusing the attention of everything bad that he does and cutting attention away from other Z fighters idiocies.

But that's interesting. It's almost funny because is so true to life. Like the family's Black Sheep, lol.

So yeah. Regardless of if you think he's always been evil and hasn't changed and doesn't deserve kindness or be forgiven or redemption, or if you think he did learned and changed his nature into being a good guy, that's not the point. The point is that having him in the team is strategically better even if it means that he'll snap and kill a bunch of people suddenly. Even if they are just pretending to be friends, is better to convince him that they are going to have his back and tolerate a lot of things, and maybe eventually they won't have to pretend (and be because he helps them get rid of the other bad guys anyways. They need him in the team as well).

But that leaves Vegeta later alone with his crimes. Because he will not be able to escape them without that soft cushion of thinking himself justified for it because he "is" evil, or because he has that excuse that others are against him and he has to react. The kindness he gets, even if it's by convenience, does make him feel obligated to behave and change slowly. When others aren't reacting against you you can't justify to react back if you have even a tiny bit of goodness and self consciounes in you, because it leaves you very exposed to seeing your own bad actions. And he cannot die to try to escape all he did. That's why later he has his internal conflict with it in the Buu saga and tries to look for an excuse in Babidi's magic to become evil again, and try to avoid feeling any regrets. And in Super why others call him out on what he did, and he cannot avoid it anymore because he did changed, acknowledging that he is not worth having anything good for all he did. But he can't do anything about it but not continue doing it and try to be better even if he'll never be forgiven by many and even if he is convinced that his destiny is going to hell for sure (although, who knows, I don't think anyone can really judge that).

[cerastes]

Was thinking about the hypothetical Arknights action game stuff from awhile back again, what enemies/story characters do you think would make for some sick boss fights?

Oh, I like this one. Just to name a few:

Patriot: The first that comes to mind is Patriot, as an enemy that would push the game systems of an action game to its limit. In concept, I like to imagine it in the way the true final boss of Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon goes: You have your playable character, which I would like to say is Amiya for this case, and your big damage opportunities come from interference ran by Rosmontis clashing with Patriot and Rhodes Island Snipers and Casters barraging him by Elysium's instruction. Patriot is also perfect to load a ton of mix-ups onto by virtue of him being able to do both gigantic, slower attacks and barrages of quick lunges. He could be a setpiece boss and a straight up skill check boss in equal measures.

Bishop Quintus: Yeah, man's Yamcha as far as bosses go, BUT in the context of a character action game with tight movesets and mechanics, a gigantic tentacled boss that can spawn more and more tentacles from everywhere in the arena, has laser attacks, and was explicitly Devil May Cried for a while by Specter when she was literally air comboing it by leaping from falling rock to falling rock as she unleashed a Sexy Smokin' Style kinda beatdown on him? Yeah I would very much love to control an Abyssal Hunter in a fight against this thing.

Faust: Hear me out. In the context of a full on high impact high speed action game, Faust would be heaven to fight. Between the ability to shoot a hugely powerful bolt, the ability to turn invisible, the turrets, and imagining him hoping around for a stylish mix of melee and ranged combat, yeah, I'm a believer. I like to imagine a scripted part of the fight where he hides and starts charging a truly massive shot, with the Arts humming from the sheer power. In the arena, there's also a lot of his snipers to run diversion and make it harder to find him. Normal people will find him and hit him out of the charge. COOL people will find him, taunt to trigger a MUCH faster charge, and then use a counter to catch the supercharged shot and return it to him a la Nero Buster counters in DMC4.

Full Power Big Ugly Thing & Eunectes: Remember Full Power Big Ugly Thing? No, not the one running on emergency fumes and jury rigged power sources, the actual fully geared version, powered by the airplane engine? The one that sent Gavial flying into the sky Team Rocket style? That one, that one should be some sort of secret fight. An actual brickhouse of immense, unfair power, only for the gamerest of gamers to cut their teeth with, punctuated with a final, high impact duel with Eunectes herself as the burning wreck and the originium fires make for a makeshift ring.

FrostNova: Legitimately, I think FrostNova would make That Moment in an action game. That Moment, That Boss, the one everyone remembers. Her skill set and aesthetic is supreme, the way ice can be used for both style and gameplay, alongside the actual emotional beat of throwing down with FrostNova as her life literally evaporates. Creating ice weapons that break with each attack just to have another one ready for the next swing, diverse moveset, dangerous at all ranges, highly mobile due to sliding on ice, giving the player high mobility as well (I love when boss gimmicks also can be used by the player in some way), there's just SO much one could do with a FrostNova fight, it'd probably my dream fight if done with love.

Endspeaker/Amaia: The concept of an ever-evolving boss with multiple forms has so much potential, TOO much potential, it's hard to fill those shoes, but if you do, imagine. In my dream of dreams, each phase/form of Endspeaker would grow resilient and even develop specific counters to your habits, in the shape of better dodge maneuvering against specific, high usage moves, and even counterattacks if you use some too much. The best way to go about this boss is to actually use your whole moveset, and even then, you want to ration specific parts of it depending on the phase. Plus, the latter forms of Endspeaker/Amaia are legitimately wicked looking and I think would look eerie and breathtaking in motion, with all those flowing parts constrasting with its sharp, long claws.

[autisticsupervillain]

FTF Shorts: Not Even Close!

A vs show where the longer analysis and set up is skipped in order to briefly explain why a certain fight is nowhere near close.

This Week's Fighters....

Tavros vs Yamcha!

These two have something of a reputation in their own franchises for being push overs. Yamcha's death at the hands of lowly Saibamen is memetic, while Tavros spends nearly all of his time getting harassed by Vriska for being a weakling. Outside the context's of their own worlds, however, and both of these Fighters can be shockingly powerful.

So, let's break this down one segment at a time and see which punching bag gets to break their losing streak!

Manga

In the Manga, Yamcha's relevance to the plot starts to fall off after the end of the Saiyan Saga, where, to his credit, he battles very evenly with the Saibamen before it had to resort to its self destruct attack. The even earlier arcs of Dragon Ball do a lot to give Yamcha his due credit, showing him as largely self taught master of combat in his own right. The Wolf Fang Fist, a technique that Yamcha himself invented, is one of the earliest uses of Ki in the series and he's the second after Goku to master the Kamehameha from Rochi's teachings.

Sadly, as the Manga progressed, he simply fell behind the series power creep and eventually, stopped participating in any really notable fights. His scaling in this canon, therefore, ends in the Android Saga, where Dr. Gero and Android 19 mistakes Yamcha for Goku based off his estimations and prior knowledge of the Saiyan.

Now, it's important to give this feat its due context. Gero did not know what a Super Saiyan was, but it is still possible he was considering Frieza in his estimations, due to having access to his DNA. So, to give this the highest possible estimate, I'll be operating under the assumptions that Gero believes Yamcha superior to Frieza and has the knowledge to make that call accurately.

Frieza's most powerful form would exponentially upscale the destruction of Planet Vegeta. Given the supplementary material suggests that Planet Vegeta had two suns, I'll be assuming they too were destroyed in the blast.

This would put base Frieza at 3.5 Foe and drag peak Namek Saga Goku all the way up to 1001 Foe. (Solar System Level)

Even with all these generous assumptions, Yamcha simply cannot match the scope of Tavros's scaling. Even the weaker among the non God-Tier Players have feats that can surpass it. Take, for example, a Pre-God Tier Roxy surviving within a Dreambubble that Calliope had turned into a massive black hole. A feat in its own worth well 7.3 TeraFoe. Or rather, 7000000000000 Foe (Solar System Level).

Keep in mind, Roxy was in a dead session, with no monsters to fight and no way to get stronger, whereas Tavros is explicitly stated to have reached the top of his Echeladder, so he'd be stronger than even this. Scrapping his horns on the bottom of Multi-Solar System Level.

This level of power is even internally consistent. The Beta Trolls are stronger than Alpha Trolls like Damara, who can smash two planets together, and pre-God Tiers have plenty of feats that reach planetary levels. Gold bloods pushing space ships at relativistic speeds, John covering a planet in a storm at relativistic speeds, and John tanking the explosion that vaporized Prospit's golden moon. All of which can be calc'd into at least the planet busting tier.

The gap in speed is similarly catastrophic. Utilizing the same Namek Saga scaling we've been giving him, Yamcha would be capable of at least moving 86,000 times faster than light.

But, due to the sheer size of the Incipisphere, which is so massive it can contain entire universes, even the slowest sprites can move Quintillions of times faster than light to cross it.

Tavros would scale accordingly, as he should be more than capable of keeping up with 1x Prototyped Sprites.

So, as far as the Manga goes, Tavros is trillions of times faster and stronger across the board. Even sticking to the lower end to put him closer to Yamcha in AP, Tav would still be too fast to ever get hit. And that's making some very generous assumptions on the destruction of Planet Vegeta in the Manga, such as assuming that the destruction of Vegeta as depicted here is canon to the manga or assuming the suns were destroyed in the blast at all. (The destruction of Planet Vegeta isn't shown in the manga and the two suns being destroyed is just an assumption made off of how they aren't in shot when the blast clears.)

Anime

The anime gives Yamcha far more to work with, due to filler arcs and animation choices giving him more feats. Battling Recoome and the Ginyu Force in King Kai's planet and putting up a decent fight against the Cell Jrs where his Manga counterpart got thrashed. Most impressive, however, is his scaling relative to Pikkon.

Pikkon defeated Super Perfect Cell in a single hit. The same version of Cell who, in the anime version of Dragon Ball, was going to go on a victory lap of destroying the entire universe once he was done with Earth. As the universe is infinite in size within the Anime canon, this would be a feat requiring infinite speed and strength. Pikkon one shot Cell, Yamcha is comparable to Pikkon.

Needless to say, no amount of fuckery can get Tav anywhere close to that. There is one statement in one of Hussie's author commentaries that might imply Dreambubbles are universe sized, but I feel that's a stretch given he's only discussing their size in relation to the Furthest Ring itself.

So, Base Tav is outta luck here and gets curbstomped right back. However.....

Gcatavrosprite

If Yamcha at his strongest is fair game, then so is Tavros at his strongest!

Gcatavrosprite is what happens when Tavros fuses with the First Guardian Gcat, reality warping, nigh omniscient godlike beings who draw power from the Green Sun at the center of reality. When Bec Noir fused with a First Guardian, he became powerful to eradicate Bilious Slick, a living universe whose body contains infinite timelines. A level of power far beyond anything in canon Dragon Ball, anime or manga.

As Tavros is also a mortal fused with a First Guardian, he should have received a similar boost in power. Given a First Guardian's reality warping powers, he could easily teleport Yamcha to space or rip apart his atoms with a snap of his fingers. And, since Bec can fly through the Furthest Ring where time and space don't exist, he can match and surpass Yamcha's own infinite speed.

Since Tavros wins 2-3 rounds, I'm giving this victory to him. No matter how you weigh it, this fight isn't fair.

This Throwdown's Winner is....

Tavros Nitram!

[tobiasdrake]

It's been about a week and a half since we last discussed the Live Action Dragon Ball Adaptation. So, King Piccolo?

A few points to consider:

The King Piccolo arc isn't especially long as far as Dragon Ball arcs go, but adapting a couple dozen chapters of manga into 90 to 150 minutes of film pretty much requires some cuts. What has to stay, what gets trimmed, what gets cut?

Where does Goku's training with Kami go? At the end of the King Piccolo movie, or the start of the tournament movie, or what? Do we see it at all?

Piccolo-demons and Namekians in general: CGI, rubber foreheads, or full tokusatsu suits?

Okay, here we go with Piccolo movie.

During the RRA film, as part of condensing the story into a 2.5-3 hour structure, I made the following proposal.

Move Uranai Baba to before Goku attacks RRA HQ but after Taopaipai defeats him. They go to Baba to find out where the RRA took the Dragon Balls.

Goku's reunion with Grandpa Gohan replaces his training with Karin.

That leaves "Goku climbs Karin Tower to drink the special water" as a scene to be kicked out to this film, replacing "Goku climbs Karin Tower again to drink the even more specialer water." We're compositing Goku's two trips up the tower into one here.

Otherwise, I think the story is short and simple enough to be adaptable with minimal modification.

-> Goku chases Tambourine for revenge, meets Yajirobe. -> Goku and Yajirobe kill Piccolo's spawn. -> Piccolo fucks Goku up. -> Piccolo collects Dragon Balls, regains youth, kills Shenron. Muten-Roshi attempts Mafuba and fails, Chiaotzu is killed. -> Goku and Yajirobe ascend Karin Tower. -> Preparations for final battle. Goku training with Karin and Sacred Water stuff, Ten self-teaching Mafuba. -> Tenshinhan vs. Drum -> Goku vs. Piccolo, final battle

I think this is an outline that can fit pretty easily into a 2.5-3 hour cinematic structure.

Bulma can ride-along with Tenshinhan and the Muten-Roshi for this one, which isn't too dissimilar from what the anime did with her and Yamcha. It's important that Goku be isolated by his own impulsiveness for the portion of the story he shares with Yajirobe and Karin. This is where our little Monkey King starts to become something beyond the mortal world and enters the realm of the divine.

Plus, having Bulma with Tenshinhan gives him someone he can talk to and emote with after the Muten-Roshi and Chiaotzu are dead.

Building on the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai centering the passing of generations, the Piccolo film centers inheritance of worldly causes. Piccolo was a problem believed solved not even back in Roshi's day but in the day of his master. But now here he is. A hardship once believed solved that now has to be confronted once again, not by Roshi but by the next generation that have surpassed him.

And even when Piccolo is defeated, he still isn't done. Because he too ends the film by passing down his power to his own next generation, perpetuating the problem.

...I kinda want to get Krillin's actor in there to play Yajirobe as a deep-cut reference to the reason Yajirobe exists as a character. Toriyama wanted Krillin cast as Yajirobe way back in the day, so let's cast Krillin as Yajirobe.

As for Goku's training with Kami? We're going to obscure that.

This movie ends on Goku ascending into Heaven with the Nyoi-bo. Heart full of hope that he might restore Shenron and bring back the people who died.

Next movie begins on everyone arriving for the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Krillin, Roshi, and Chiaotzu are alive and well, but no one knows what happened to Goku or how the Dragon Balls reactivated. He was just... never seen again after the fight with Piccolo, until the day of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Leaving three resurrection miracles behind him as he vanished.

What happened between these two points gets slowly revealed in flashback during the course of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, as it becomes relevant to the drama unfolding between Goku, Kami, and Piccolo.

(Before you ask, no. I have no idea how to translate Popo to the big screen. That is something I would have to defer to someone who is, let's say, of a less vampiric complexion.)

As for the design of the Namekians and Mazoku? Practical effects touched up by CGI where necessary. I'm old-school. I believe in shooting as much reality as possible and then using CGI to put finishing polish on the designs.

[ap-kinda-lit]

Tien: Where did the Saiyans go?

Yamcha: Not sure. They said it was “Saiyan business”.

Krillin: We should probably stay out of it. Knowing them, it must be a dangerous, brutal training mission.

*cut to Goku, Vegeta, Nappa, Raditz, & Broly at Golden Corral, linked in a line with arms over shoulders, drunk as hell, and aggressively singing “Macho Man” by the Village People*

[sylensombrr]

50 / 153 (i havent watched any new episodes lol)

Episodes 11-20

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE THIS DRAWING SO MUCH YOU DONT UNDERSTAND this is the drawing that made me not want to wait to post the DB progress drawings 1-40 together XDDDD

Yamcha and Puar were so cute in this scene! Puar immediately jumping into his arms when she realizes its him <333333 they are literally everything to me

Also Yamcha 👀👀👀

I wish he didnt cut his hair! 😭😭😭

It was kinda difficult to figure out what was going on with his hair and shirt blending together but anytime i get to practice hair and background is a win to me <3333

Original Screenshot under the cut!