#Because Ivan knew it would hurt Till if he died then. Like MiziSua situation. So his proposal before death was the only way for him
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cyberpchela · 8 months ago
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Ok so I've been thinking about the fact that Till's pupels widen when he felt Ivan's hand on his cheek. You can see it for a brief frame. So, even if Tills feelings aren't the same as Ivans(obvi), he did felt something at that moment, and it wasn't negative.
Btw not talking about the kiss itself, it's another story and have been talked about enough, I am only talking about the hand on the cheek incident.
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k0fii · 25 days ago
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HSR + ALNST
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So I may or may not have an entire HSR (Penacony Cast) ALNST au planned out in my head..
The basic listing of characters is:
Mizi - Trailblazer (Stelle)
Sua - Firefly
Ivan - Ratio
Till - Aventurine
Luka - Sunday
Hyuna - Robin (HyuLuka's romantic dynamic isn't applied here !! Just here me out on this..)
Reasons for casting (Although the AU is not one-to-one with every event and dynamic in ALNST):
Sunday in HSR is born weak in comparison to Robin who was born strong - he yearns for control and order because of this while Robin yearns for freedom. The differences in their ideology is seen clearly in the Charmony Dove scene - the reason I propose casting them as Luka and Hyuna is because of this ideological conflict.
Luka, like Sunday, vies for control and security - he was born with congenital heart disease and many of his actions are driven by the fear of death or for a need to hold power over something when he has, in large part, remained under the control of one authority figure (Heperu, and in this AU, Gopher Wood would act as the substitute.) Not to mention, their control also partly relies on gauging other people's reactions and using their trauma against them. With Luka, R5 and R7 are obvious examples and with Sunday, the whole interrogation scene. (It was wholly unnecessary for Sunday to bring up matters related to Aventurine's trauma - and so it becomes more a matter of control and having something over him.)
Both Luka and Sunday will always be bound by the stage they are rulers of.
On the other hand, Hyuna, like Robin, embodies the ideal of freedom. Her very introduction in All-In emphasizes that and her strong conviction in living for yourself. She's the very head of the human rebellion and has escaped Alien Stage - a disharmony in the way Robin was. When you look at Hyuna's character stats, she is a better performer than Luka in every way and has one of, if not the highest mental strength in the entire cast. Gopher Wood manipulated Sunday because he knew he couldn't manipulate Robin's unwavering will unlike he could with Sunday.
Both Hyuna and Robin will always break free of their cage to soar into the sky.
So, what would be the equivalent of the Hyunwoo situation if they're already siblings?
The Charmony Dove scene, or a close equivalent to it.
Moving on to the Mizisua castings - why Firefly and Stelle?
Mizi and Stelle are both cheerful and almost childish characters - among the cast of ALNST, Mizi has a truly pure heart, sheltered due to her upbringing. Her alien guardian treated her with care and Sua shielded her innocence by hiding her from the harsh truths they were set to face. As such, she remains bright even in current circumstances, even being naive to a fault. Stelle has frankly only spawned (again) into the universe recently with a naturally playful attitude and curiosity towards the world around her. Even when fighting against adversaries, it usually ends in a happy ending with minimal to no casualties at all and she has a loving family in the Astral Express who care for her.
Which is why, Firefly's 'death' thanks to Dormancy in Penacony was a rude wake-up call.
Because, for once, someone died in front of her and she was powerless to stop it. Not only that, it was someone she built a rapport and a deep connection with.
And just like Mizi after Sua's death, she was left distraught and even angry.
Sua and Firefly share a resemblance in the way that they hide secrets from both Mizi and Stelle. Sua, hiding the truth of Alien Stage and making Mizi believe in the idea of a tie and advancing together. Firefly, hiding her affiliation with the Stellaron Hunters and the truth regarding Penacony and her death. They do so not without reason but it is still a lie that ends up hurting the one left behind.
We can also see with the comic regarding Sua's sister that Sua is born or considered a weak child, doomed to be the white 'snow' that falls over the living children in Anakt Garden. Meanwhile, Firefly has entropy loss syndrome, a condition poised to reduce her to nothing in a set time. Despite this, both find hope and do try to continue living with the time they have.
Now, Aventio as IvanTill.
Firstly, the whole love whatever-shape-that is going on with the main 4 cast of ALNST isn't applied here - in the way that Aventurine doesn't love Stelle like how Till loves Mizi (Although it can be a plot-point, for the sake of his character here, I don't think it makes sense).
Till is a rebellious character, having undergone some of the worst treatment from the aliens because of this fact. Similarly, Aventurine has undergone the trauma of enslavement. (Aventurine's neck branding and Till's name branding are also very similar in position) Till was sold at a discount price and Aventurine was sold for only 60 Tanbas - they are both seen as less than and have gone all the way to the top despite that (Till reaching R7 as a finalist, Aventurine becoming a Stoneheart). Both of them, when they fought back against their oppressors, were painted as aggressive and dangerous (Till being subdued post R2, Aventurine's trial after killing his former oppressor).
But if Aventurine doesn't love Stelle like how Till loved Mizi in this AU, who was the person who was his light amidst all the abuse experienced (In a not romantic way)?
His sister. Family packages are a genuine thing in ALNST, siblings who are sold together - and although she remains dead in this AU, she is still the person Aventurine reaches out to - like how Till reached for Mizi in that one scene in R6. With the HSR interrogation scene in mind, Sunday reminding Aventurine of his family with the power of the Harmony reads like Luka manipulating Mizi and Till.
Admittedly, Ratio and Ivan do not share many similarities although both do have issues expressing emotion - Ratio struggles with the manner of his expression, oftentimes being too blunt and honest despite his rather high understanding of other people, and Ivan doesn't understand other people's emotions at all, which is why he develops a fascination for Till who openly expresses such emotion with ease.
And in their own way, both of them will spur the one dearest to them to continue living.
In Penacony, Ratio gives Aventurine the Note, imploring him to live on - despite it not being the sole reason for Aventurine's return, it does play a major part in it and Aventurine comes back, specifically stating that he is happy to be back.
In R6, although done in a much more hurtful manner, Ivan's sacrifice does spur Till on to regain his fire in R7. In R6, he is a shell of what he was thanks to the constant abuse he experienced and the loss of Mizi. However, when we first see him in R7, he is back to performing with a fervor - it's a logical conclusion to make that he does so, so that Ivan's sacrifice will not go to waste or be in vain as no other factor could've affected him as much.
As for Isaac and Dewey..Haven't thought about it yet! Until we get more info on them, it's probably staying like that.
Here are some extra snippets of ideas I've had!
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(Regarding Unknown Till the End as a song for this AU)
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(Regarding Black Sorrow as a song for this AU)
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(R5 Ending)
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(Anakt Garden +R6 Aventio)
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