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first artfight attack of this year! ft @simikae's @anakeions' and @pinchbee's characters!! had a blast with this
#not even kidding i truly had sooo so much shading this#even if i also hate dramatic lighting with a passion why does it make me think about planes of the face#BUT ANYWAY LOVE LOVEEE the characters theyre everything#specially gilly#zy art#digital art#others ocs#artfight#character art
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Hello time to ask about your ocs hehe
Ok first of all are there any sorts of rivalries between them or are they one big happy family? Pretty much are there any notable relationships between them?
Also I have to ask about Hector Jekyll and Edgar Hyde because I loveee Jekyll and Hyde so so much. Anyways, is it like the original novella where they are pretty much one person but they switch and change both physically and mentally? If so, had this always been happening or was there a potion of some sorts (like in the novella) that caused this? You can also mention other stuff about them if you want :))
Ok now hand over your bones /j
they are NOT one big happy family uh. lets see
everyone hates hector (and edgar). oh and on this point, they are in one body, but they switch! it started more as like.. a bit more similar to how something like did works (i dont know everything about did so take what i say with a grain of salt, and this character is NOT a system), but as the changes got more frequent, more differences in their physical appearances started showing up until they basically look like different people. it was not a potion (unfortunately), just something that started happening!
you cant see it in this but hectors eyes are green and edgars as blue (also old ass drawing im sorry)
anyway! back to rivalries! wirt and hector specifically fucking HATE eachother
jesse hates everyone except mary (and edie, because shes marys friend)
tato is bitchy to most people but doesnt hate any of them. wirt does not like them though, and harley is scared of her
there is some overall bad blood towards nessie after a.... certain event.. but before then, everyone loves her
as for notable relationships!!
wirt and tammy are siblings, obviously
tammy and damien dated once, but it didnt work out. theyre still friendly, though
nessie and lunar have a very sibling relationship
wirt looks up to lunar a lot (lunar does not see himself as a role model and it scares him)
as stated earlier, jesse is super protective over mary, like a guard dog and edie is bffs with mary
harley is besties with wirt, and kinda treats edie like a younger sister when he gets to know her
edie clings to lunar and treats him like an older brother/almost father figure
miss gray is very much like a grandma figure to everyone, but especially carmilla since she was raised there. nessie is like an older sister to her
the horse girls are like. fun cool older cousins to nessie. they helped her with her social transition
tato and lily are dating (but theres one little thing putting their relationship on the rocks... youll see)
lily and damien have a siblingish relationship, she braids his hair
here you go
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I don't know if you've made any posts about it before, but what are your favorite pairings for each TWST character? It'd also be cool if you included staff or side characters, but feel free to not even do all of the main cast, I'm just curious!!
:33 omg omg omg I love questions hiiii ^_^
Im a multishipper so I enjoy many different ships, but I definitely do have favorites 😋☝️
Anyways yeah here’s a list!!!
Putting it under the cut bc ohhh boy I talk a lot 🥶
Riddle- RIDTREY IS MY FAVORITE <333 def my fave riddle ships!!! They make me so so so sick and unwell /pos I adore their dynamic so much
Trey- Riddle and Cater!!! I love love love love loveeee ridtreykei with my whole heart!!! I think all 3 of them have such a great dynamic and they are very much married couple to me- I think Trey is definitely dating them both- idc what anyone says he loves them both equally 🙄🙄🙄 I also have so many ideas for them-
Polyamory for the win tbh
Cater- Treykei <333 (same reasons as above lmfao) they’re just super interesting!!! I think they’re really cute and they also have angst potential 😋😋😋 and hurt/comfort potential
Ace/Deuce- ADEUCE!!!!!! I love Adeucee <3 I have a very specific … timeline (? For lack of a better term) for them!!! I like developing ships like a crazy person- dumbass friends to lovers-core 😍😍
Leona/Vil- LEOVILLLL I LOVEEE LEOVILLL SOOO MUCHHH DIVORCED HUSBANDS MY FAVORITE SHIP- I love their ex boyfriends swag-
Jack- I ship Jack with my MC!!! I don’t have any canon x canon Jack ships 😔
Ruggie- I don’t ship ruggie with any canon character 💔 but Ruggie/Kalim and Ruggie/Jade is growing on me-
BUT!! @midnightmah07 has an oc/mc she ships with Ruggie and I love them with my whole heart it’s definitely my favorite <333
Azul/Jamil- I love love love azujami- their relationship is so so so funny to me- they are my favorite ship for both of them
Floyd- 🙄☝️ my main ship with him is my oc☝️ my other favorite/main Floyd ship is him with Neige <33
Jade- I headcanon Jade as Aroace so I don’t ship him romantically with anyone! (But I do enjoy seeing jade ship posts they’re really cute<3)
I don’t really like to call this a ship, but my favorite ‘ship’ is Kalim and Jade as queerplatonic partners <3
Kalim- like I said with Ruggie, Ruggie/Kalim is growing on me 😔😔 and ofc I ship Jade/Kalim queerplatonically
Andddd Similar to Ruggie @midnightmah07 has an oc she ships with Kalim and AOUGJJJJJ THEY ARE MY LIFEEEEE 🫶🫶🫶🫶 I LOVE THEM WITH MY HEART AND MY SOULLLLL THEYRE SOO CUTEEEE THEYRE MY EVERYTHING 🥺🥺🥺
Rook- I don’t ship rook with anyone 💔 (and like with Jade I also enjoy seeing ship posts with Rook, they’re cute)
Epel/Sebek- SEBEPEL ON TOP BAYBEEEE💪💪💪‼️‼️‼️‼️ THEY ARE BOYFRIENDSSSS THEY ARE IN LOVEEEE‼️‼️ I love their interactions sooo much 🫶🫶 they have sooo much potential ☹️☹️
Silver/Idia- IDIASIL MY BELOVEDDDDDD THEY ARE SOOO IN LOVE I LOVEEE THEIR DYNAMICCC 🫶🫶🫶 WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH… they are like my 2nd favorite twst ship of all time
Obviously Ortho is not getting shipped with anyone 💕
Malleus- 😋 I ship malleus with one of my ocs teehee 🤭🤭🤭🤭
Lilia- I ship Lilia with my Oc Prospero!! That is my main Lilia ship… I love them so much 😋😋😋 they r silly 🥶🥶
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Uhh for the staff,,,
Trein and his wife obviously 🙄☝️
😔 I have ocs that I ship Vargas and Crewel with :33
And uhhh as of now I don’t ship Crowley or Sam with anyone-
(I think that’s all the staff)
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Yeah this was long ☹️ I hope this is okay 💔 I do go overboard sometimes 😭😭😭
#yeah this long bc I get super excited ☹️ sorry pookie#I tried not to talk much#also sorry for tagging you Mah I just I loveeee your oc x canon#🥶🥶 guys do not ask me stuff I will become the most annoying person on earth🥶🥶#💛! asks#💛! soleil <3
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holllyyyy shit girl, this last chapter of fallen star made me SOBBBB you’re writing is just soooo inspiring. like i don’t know how to explain it but it’s literally so mesmerizing and im jealous of your brain because it can put words like that together to make such a masterpiece. i hope u get what i mean 😭 i just wanted to say i LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact we get an insight on like the side characters backstories and different layers as well, it makes everything fit more together and explain certain things/actions. as far as im concerned though half of them if not all need therapy haha i can’t wait to see how the relationship between yn and jake evolves. i hope these two broken cuties finally realize their worth and that THEY DESERVE EACH OTHER‼️🗣️🗣️ also fuck them haters?!? they clearly need to put their phone down and reconcile with nature if they get pressed over some fanfiction but i guess theyre not ready for that conversation…
anyway i hope youre doing well, wishing nothing but the best for you!! sending lots of hugss <333
omg thank you so much🥺🥺🤍🤍!! you truly flatter me cus wdymm my writing is so inspiring hello?? Best compliment really 😿
im glad you love the backstories of everyone as much as i love writing them and you're absolutely right everyone in the fallen star universe needs therapy lmaoo (i probably need it too after im done)😭😭 i promise i will make your jakeyn hearts happy soon wink wink 🤭
you're so sweet anon thank you truly the only thing i care about is writing smth im proud of and filled with emotions that im sure ppl who appreciate it will find it🥰 (like you!) w that being said ty for writing to me i always loveee reading your thoughts and i hope you're doing amazing mwah mwah remember to take care of yourself 🤍🤍
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Nie mingjue and liu qingge for the character ask game?
Sexuality Headcanon: im a nieyao/3zun truther so like he likes men... lqg is my beautiful aroace swordguy <333
Gender Headcanon: I LOVE BUTCH WOMEN!!!! ok both of them are men to me as canon, but like. take my hand. butch nmj and he/him butch lqg okay?
A ship I have with said character: i guess i already said but Big fan of nieyao i like it when weird assholes tear each other into pieces ^-^ 3zun is also good. for lqg i like him in bingliushen but only the way i personally like it and not the way people usually do it. hes a part of their marriage in the sense that he's their nonsexual nonromantic chew toy that they like sooo much. also lqg/tlj can be really good sometimes (thinking of raitala's 'the reluctant suitor' series - very nice tianliu series but also one of my fave lqg characterizations i've seen lol he's such a weirdo in this one)
A BROTP I have with said character: nmj and nhs!!! i love you nie siblings you rock. also i like nielan childhood friends i think its very fun especially when they start falling apart in the later years <3 an interesting take ive seen before also is nmj&wq which is pretty fun. LQG&SQQ THE BESTIES <3 theyre everything !!! i really like them i like how much they genuinely enjoy each others company and how fucking Bad they are at like. being in a friendship its awesome. also as a treat for myself lqg&yqy is sooo tasty i love it when lqg genuinely likes and looks up to him and yqy is fond of him in turn. could a sect leader and his coworker-subordinate really be... friends?
A NOTP I have with said character: obviously ew incest ships but aside from that i cant really think of anything? lqg x romance my notp i think he's so aro. also okay. okay honestly. liushen sometimes NOT all the time but sometimes the way ppl act about it irks me and i automatically look away. like the blatantly ooc fandomized liushen. bye </3
A random headcanon: lqg forest puddle water drinkerrrr dkjaskdss no im kidding im kidding. my random headcanon ("random headcanon" lol) is that he has good dad energy. he could pull thru. give that man a baby :] can i plug spring in bloom here again does anyone want to read spring in bloom by kay my friend kay <3 also i think he's immune to sex pollen bc he's an aroace jock who just exercises it out of his system. no basis for this one other than it's hilarious
for nmj... i think he secretly has a very annoying sense of humor that many people don't know about but he terrorizes nhs with. dad jokes type of beat... da-ge jokes <3
General Opinion over said character: I FUCKING LOVE THESE GUYS!!!!! i love it when there is a guy with a big fucking sword who has sooo many problems. lol! anyway ok more specifically:
i thought nmj was very interesting while reading the novel and definitely had a "hey wtf dude" initial reaction to him, but he's reallyyy grown on me <3 partially bc he's been on my mind a lot and partially bc of his presence in cql! (cql nmj is my type also so that definitely did smth to me as well lol) i think he's a really interesting character to explore both bc of his general backstory and bc of his relationships w other characters, as well as the fact that (in the novel) we never really see him of completely sound mind, so there's lots of room to play w how you portray him. he's fun!
lqg i love soooo much i loved him from day ONE i loved him as soon as he showed up. he's so good. i think his appearance was a very funny surprise (?), esp the way sqq narrated it lmao, and i really like him in general. i loveee the loyal sword character trope and i like how lqg does it (so well <3). his general awkwardness and extreme talent to put his foot in his mouth is also really charming ("its ok you can just get a new disciple" what is wrong with him). i also think there's room to explore w him, especially his family + relationships w other sect members, i love you liu siblings... lqg is a character who goes through a lot of growth imo and it's very satisfying to see that + how his rs with sqq changes through the novel. lqg is also a character that is so fun to put into situations and also make fun of. bc he's so sucks <3 ANYWAY I FUCKING LOVE LQG if there is no lqg lovers on this earth i am dead etc
TYSM FOR THE ASK KAY <333 sorry it took me so long to answer LMAO it was really fun though
#REALLY FUNNN<3#gonna rb the ask game again after i post this bc its been. a while hahksjk#nie mingjue#liu qingge#mdzs#svsss#asks#ask game#misc#lqg tag#nmj tag
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1, 2 , 7, 8 :3
1. favorite character[s]
ive already talked about kenneth and flora BUT! runner up is cera i think. i haven't seen her in a million years but that's okay. i think she's incredibly fucked up and i want to get her #OUT of her mental and also physical ice prison.
im preddyyyyyyy sure rn that angie is a fucked up cursed version of anju, but as "angie" she still made a servant. it just happens to be in the image of cella- taking some of her likeness & kind of her name- because even deep down the fragments of anju in angie still cares for cella. but i dont actually know. i think her dedication to angie is super fucked up and interesting though. angie doesn't care whether her meat homunculus made of illegal magic lives or dies, but cera is also so incredibly willing to lay down her life for her boss that somehow it works out. well. hopefully it stops working out bc i want cera to be able to live for herself but. AH! not much to say since it all happened like six chapters ago now sicne anyones even thought of cera but i still spin her aorund in my brain bc she's epic as hell. my friend said her ace was a morpeko :(((( thats so CUTE!!!
2. least favorite character[s]
i don't like saki or karen. what do you do when a character for most of their screentime is intended to be comedic relief and then you just don't find them funny. i feel like such a nerd but i just don't think they have jokes and theres not much else to like about them ToT at least as it stands. idk. even then i'll still draw both of them no problem i am not exactly a professional at disliking characters. my main issue with them is that they don't appeal to my sense of humor and if i'm drawing & writing them they do. so. problem solved?
erick is also kind of up there but he stays in his lane over in poison type gearen city [forgot the actual name] so he doesn't bother me as much. plus he has cat ears so he gets bonus points.
7. favorite friendship[s]
patty & cera have they ever talked? NO! have they ever talked about each other? NO! in a hypothetical situation, would it be kind of cute? YEAH!
for ones that r actually on screen though. i loveee neved & nastasia. even if it was just 1 conversation, i love their dynamic. the two most mature [AUTHORS NOTE: does not mean they are mature. just means they are not zetta geara or madelis] xen members havin a little chat and i'm TUNED IN!!!! and their shared affection for ren is so cute. they both know it's a bad idea and they BOTH tell each other it's a bad idea, and then immdiately just go Anyways, because they r BOTH going to continue caring about ren anyways. whateverrr. i think it's cute.
honorable mention delpha and adam. theyr eso sweet. they love each otherrrrrrrr they make fun of each other so much but they would kill someone for each otherrr <3
8. favorite family dynamic
florin and flora you're so. i talk about them too much. florin disowning flora after finding out she's in bladestar is soooo. oh my goodness! and then trying to get her the death penalty too!!! i think about how after florin says that he just wishes flora would trust him more- that he's there for her, if only she'd let him be- flora says THIS
its so. god dude. i feel like it's not just that flora was leading bladestar, but selfishly- florin cares more about the fact that flora never told him about it. and its soooo. oh my god. both of them care[d] about the other so much but are far too fucked up to ever be able to show it. flora feels like she's the only one who can ever get her job done- especially after rune turned her down- and she wants to keep florin SAFE by keeping him out of everything. and florin just wants to BE THERE for his SISTER!!! without understanding until darchlight cave why she's making it so difficult to!!! god!!! it's so evil how many times things could've gotten better and how many chances flora had to just let her brother love her and how every single time she refuses and florin gets pushed a little closer to the edge of a metaphorical cliffside. me when im in a lack of communication challenge and my opponent is flora who thinks letting her brother think she hates him and actively trying to get him to hate her is the simplest way to handle things. i hate rejuv
#jazzask#ive been awfully busy as of late but im excited to get back to playing rejuv soon...#just started chapter 15 last i played! im nearly thereeeeeeee
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RAAAHHXHSJDJSJXJSJSMS BONNIE HOWWW ARE U SO FRIGGIN FAST IN UPLOADING SUCH A MASTERPIECE I COULD NEVER AHDHSJDJSJJSWJSJ ANDDND ANYWAY REACTION TIME-
ABSOLUTELY LOVING HOW U MANAGE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKW THE CHARACTERS MORE EXPRESSIVE IN NOT JUST THEIR FACIAL EXPRESSIONS BUT IN THEIR SPEECH BUBBLES TOO LIKE IT LOOKS SO COOL AND SHOWS HER BUTTERNESS IN THIS SCENE
(AND DIB LOOKING AWAY QUICKLY AND SWEATING IN NERVOUSNESS IS ADORABLE AND SMART OF U TO DRAW AHDHSJJD)
STAHPPP THEYRE SO DRAMATIC HERE FOR WHAT- I LAUGHED AT THIS PANEL LIKE WE THOUGHT TAK USED REAL DESPERATE MEASURES LIKE MURDERING SOMEONE OR SOMETHING BUT ITS EVEN WORSE— PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION!! KDKSKDKE 😱😱😱😨😨😨
THE EYE HIGHLIGHT THING BECOMING SMALLER TO SHOW THE FEAR REALLY- SHOWS IT LIKE DJEJDMSM ZIMS SO SHOCKED HES EVEN CLENCHING HIS TEETH
CAN I JUST SAY- I LOVE AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY LOVEEE HOW U MADE THEM LOOK LIKE BESTIES IN THIS PANEL LIKW THEYRE LITERALLY HOLDING HANDS LIKE HOW EMOTIONAL BEST FRIENDS WOULD OR SOMETHIMG LIKE I DONT KNOW HOW TO SAY IT BUT IT JUST SHOWS THE GROWTH IN ZIM AND TAK’S RELATIONSHIP AS THEY POSSIBLY REALLY BECAME GENUINE FRIENDS IN THIS WHOLE COMIC SERIES. LIKE ASIDE FROM THE ROMANTIC PLOT AND EVERYTHING, THERES NO DENYING THAT TAK AND ZIM AT LEAST STARTED TO *NOTTT* HATE EACH OTHER ANYMORE LIKE TAK EVEN DECIDED NOT TO HARM ZIM SERIOUSLY IN THE PREV PAGES
BASICALLY, IM GLAD THEY BECAME GOOFY BESTIES (OR AT LEAST FRENEMIES) IN THIS PANEL AND EVEN THOUGH ITS A SILLY PANEL, IT JUST SHOWS THEIR GROWTH AHDHSJDJSJ
SPEAKING OF GROWTH, TAK GREW SOFT FOR THE MEMBRANES (MOSTLY GAZ) AND ZIM (AT LEAST NOT WANTING TO KILL HIM ANYMORE) AND ITS SUPER ADORABLE TO SEE THAT!! I LOVE THAT FOND SMILE ON HER FACE LIKE BONNIEEEE- THE EMOTIONS YOU GIVE TO HER ARE SO PRECIOUS RAAAAHHHH
PART 26 pages 116 - 120
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#PAJAMA PARTY#invader zim#invader zim fanart#invader zim comic#zadr#zadr art#zadr comic#tagr#tagr art#tagr comic#zadr day#bonbondraws#bonniecupcake#I LOVE THIS AS ALWAYYSYSHSJSJSJSSKS
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bro.... okay assorted thoughts from dna mad scientist
first of all i already said it but i am SO freaking in love with namtar's character design. the practical effects are so, so, so freaking good. the way he walked... literalllyyyy i hate 2 draw comparisons, but i think abt how nowadays so much shit is just cgi'd for the fucking HELL of it like... ough you could NOT get cgi that would be anywhere near as harmonious as this costume was with the actor's performance. that cunt was feeling themselves.
and in general i will say i just. like tbh i knowww ive said it a lot but its so good and refreshing how creative some of the character designs are. theyre freaking weirdoooo. WEIRDOOO. I LOVEEE it. the other little scientist... idid not catch names (thats one thing i will say abt farscape - the names are so hard to get a hang of omg lol..) BUT i liked that design too. smile. aeryn's transition was a bit iffy but HEY. cant win em all
anyways storywise itself ok. listen im goin somewhere with this. i think its just... tumblr saturation... that makes me so sick of "found family". like im sorrryyy. i mean- i dont hate it i DONT. but the way ppl discuss it on here is so... weird bc half the time it doesnt even apply, or it's like... yeah theyre guys who like each other but its kind of just a friendship group and idk to me found family is more of an emphasis on certain themes rather than just. guys who hang out % got feelings for each other but. ok sorry thats an aside rank bc...
but.. FREAKING WHATEVER ANYWAYSSSS like my point. is its like. maybe i sound like a cunt. i dont know. im not trying 2 be edgy, but i get it sounds like that its just- i feel like shitty behaviour is necessary sometimes to make it more realistic SORRRYYY LOL.... but its weirdly refreshing when its like... the point keeps being made that yeaahhh these guys ARE starting to take a bit of a shine to one another. BUT ultimately theyre all stuck in a horrible fucking situation, & theyre so desperately sick for their lives back that they'll do freaking ANYTHING and throw these cunts under the bus like THAT. like even just in recent episodes- a few of them have been willing to just leave them behind if they gotta.... like d'argo on that one planet, and rygel in the cell... they donttt give a fuck and why would they yknow
and so like watching them just. YNAK PILOTS FREAKING ARM OFF. CHRIST. like- like it makes sense man... ha ha fuck me.. it does. like shit man. you go through so much fucking horseshit. theyre just kind of having to put up with each other. theyre first year uni flatmates right now for realll, not even that, and theyve been put through some shittt. and i LIKE that. it makes sense. & i think it will make any deeper connections more organic later on
and spreaking OF ANOIAFKIWFK['PGJSEG OSMKGAOJISGJPISDJ I LOVE PILOT I LOVE PILOT ILLOVEEEE pilot... pilot,zhaan and crichton are my FAVOURITES. but pilot could sooo soo shoot up there- it depends on how much more we get to learn about pilot but aooah rughh aorigughgh eekk. eeek. smileee. sortyy. SORRRYYYYY. JUST GIGGLES. KICKS LEGS. CHARACTERRRR TO MEEEE SMILEEE YAAAYYYYYAAYAYAY
also i love what they did with aeryn this episode also and specifically her repertoire with pilot. they have a really good fucking dynamic, man. best friends despite everything. i am actually really glad i like her bc i WAS worried as... perhaps its a more mdern media lens, but i feel like characters of her background, or her baxkground adjacent, can be done ehrhrm. not very well. but i think.... thus far i really love the way the show does handle lots of little character moments in the episodes.
LIKE THATS!!! Thats what i like!! bc- SORRY, im going 2 use trek as an example bc its a. decent comparison. but u have tng, yah? and its not entirely fair- thats episodic, yknow. but a lot of ehrm the character are extremely static and kinda. shallow in tng. lIKE I LOVEEE them sure and theyre all charismatic but i think with many of them ... ehrm lac depth... and . mm its moreso theyre always there to service individual stories, rather than the story is there to service them. and sooo they have to be a little blank- bc they are basically functions, for individual eps, and sotheyre kinda ? at the whim to change from ep to ep bc of that . and we do get some character eps but due to the nature of the show... u dont get the slow release of development, building them like you do here.
and i loveee that here bc its well doneee it is. smile. the way each of them do get fleshed out in every episode and its at a pretty organic pace like ive been saying. and so i likeee aeryn bc i feel like- i feeeel like i was worried they might go too much, too fast with her and it wouldn't work. but the steadier pace.... again, i really love pretty much all her interactions with pilot. i freaking love pilot man . sorry
also love zhaan ive said i love zhaan i want more zhaan bc her concept is everything to me. grin. had 2 say that too BUT OH
on the topic of aeryn. one thing i kinda wish.... I MEAN THEY WOULDNT. AND IT WOULDDD BE FUCKING WEIRD FOR IT TO JUST HAPPEN IN SOME RANDOM EP. but goddd part of me kinda wishes that there was no hard reset in this ep. or at least aeryn had someee lingering issues from whatever that was bc christ was that fucked up. wha tt he hell giys
speaking of, i also liked the like... non-apology from d'argo. again going back 2 what i said. i think its again... i dont know. it feels all the more... natural 2 me... like he's like "oh i would do that again. for sure." and pilots like "i expected that." i think its again wht i appreciate from farscape... theyve done this a few times where its just... a very measured response from characters instead of just freakingggg... forcing them to grovel, trying to close the episode arc story in a narratively satisfying way...instead its just again like yeahh he isnt fuckin sorryyy man. and its fine. lets play freaking music
also final thought. i insist d'argo should have paws still . like lion paws. anyways
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Ok I am a single follower but I like hannibal tv but would enjoy ur movie thoughts I like some of the books too and have been meaning to get around to the movies 😳😳
OKAY I'M EDITING A READMORE ONTO THIS LOL I REALIZED THATS SOMETHING I CAN DO! so now my incredibly waaayyy too long answer abt my thoughts on 2002 will is under there. apologies bc this is less "movie thoughts" and more "2002 movie will thoughts" but well thats how the chips fell
GOD okay sooo for the record i am reading the red dragon book and am like 7 or 8 chapters in and full transparency im not like. enjoying it lol. the book pisses me off with its misogyny (all the women in it are either dead or it feels like you're supposed to think theyre Selfish Bitches or theyre just there for like. bizarre and uncomfortable sexual moments like the guys talking abt that woman in the elevator, or that one part of mrs. leeds diary which is like. i guess could be there to Show Her Humanity or whatever but 1. there are more ways to do that 2. the book doesnt seem particularly concerned with her humanity considering she's barely even given a first name and so far the novel hasnt seemed to disapprove of how will thinks of her as a possession of her husband) and its inconsistency with will's most important character trait or whatever (he's so intensely, extremely empathetic towards EVERYONE, even serial killers, which makes him really good at finding them! and he can never turn this off, to the point where every time he has a conversation with someone, he ends up mimicking the way they talk, even if he tries to stop! but also he never empathizes with the victims or HIS OWN FUCKING WIFE? HELLO? so it really feels less like "extremely strong empathy for everyone that he cant control" and more like "he can empathize with serial killers extremely well and also other people if we want to Make A Point in one scene instead of letting the point show through the whole book") BUT UHHH ANYWAY. MOVIE THOUGHTS. THE MOVIE THOUGHTS YOU ASKED FOR COMING RIGHT UP!
okay this is what i am worried will either 1. draw annoying tv will graham stans to my blog like flies or 2. end with me being hanged in the town square BUT. it must be said. i prefer 2002 red dragon will graham to tv will graham. and quite frankly? so far? i think 2002 red dragon will graham is better than book will graham. i cannot lie.
my reasoning: because 2002 will actually empathizes with more people than serial killers and his boss! y'know! like you'd assume someone with constant extreme empathy would! the difference between the first scene with molly in the book vs in the movie are SO striking to me now that i've read that part of the novel. in the novel he seems very... rough, i guess, and like he doesnt care about molly's worries. he doesnt seem to see things from her perspective, which especially feels like a kick to the gut because MOLLY! SEES! THINGS! FROM! HIS! PERSPECTIVE!!! she literally empathizes with him more than he does with her! what the fuck! MEANWHILE in the movie, he does seem to care about her. his assurances that he wont get too involved seem like assurances rather than him trying to get her off his back. he hugs her and tells her he loves her and i actually believe that yeah, he loves her, he knows she's worried about him, and he wants to comfort her and ease her worries. and the victims! AGAIN such a stark difference to me! in the book, will is like... uncomfortable empathizing w the red dragon, of course, but he doesnt seem to empathize with the victims all that much, ESPECIALLY not the women. he doesnt care about them. he sees them as possessions belonging to their husbands and its so fucking gross. despite already suspecting that the red dragon chooses families based on the women, he decides to waste time focusing on the husbands as a way of "asking permission to look at [their wives]." what the fuck? meanwhile in the film, he feels for the victims so much that he can barely even say that the kids were shot in bed! when he watches the tapes, he focuses on the women! because that's his fucking job!!! and we see him empathizing with them! wow!!
siiigh okay im gonna stop talking abt the book vs the movie now bc again im only like 8 chapters or so deep. but now we come to tv will vs. 2002 will, which is admittedly gonna be more subjective and part of that it bc i cant remember a whole lot of specifics from the show bc my memory is Very Bad. but anyway
let's get the shallow stuff out of the way. yes i prefer ed norton's face to hugh dancy's. call hugh dancy "gender" or whatever have your fun i support you and your right to call any blood covered man a gender but by god is that not even REMOTELY my experience. next shallow thing to get out of the way: ed norton's line delivery is like music to my FUCKING ears compared to hugh dancy's i am so sorry. like the jokes about will shaking like a damp chihuahua before taking 5 minutes to stutter out "he's killing them....... On Purpose, jack." are funny and all but christ i had SUCH a hard time watching the show bc of that im not lying. literally hearing 2002 will just say "he's not keeping them. he's eating them." nice and quick, matter of factly is better than well im actually gonna end that sentence there but you get the idea. like YESSS you little blonde bitch get to the point i love you!!!
OKAY NOW less shallow points but also less uhh idk man i just dont remember a lot of hannibal. but basically: after seeing how caring 2002 will is, i'm kind of... idk i'm just so over tv will and how abrasive and harsh he is in comparison. like i fell in LOVE with how vulnerable 2002 will is, how he feels like he cares deeply about the people around him (and honestly... idk i cant remember a moment in the hannibal tv series that made me feel the way i felt when 2002 will can't say "the kids were shot in their beds". it's like... yeah this is a guy who feels so deeply for everyone around him at all times. i believe that.) and i just dont remember getting that same feeling from tv will. i have been gently spoon fed the most excellent chocolate pudding and everything else in my memory is just a snack pack. i guess tv will has those moments (what comes to mind is when he brings gideon to hannibal's house and is crying and he says "please dont lie to me") but idk they just didnt really do for me what 2002 will does. and then their scenes with reba! wow! i rewatched the tv version after watching red dragon, bc the film version made me tear up, meanwhile the tv version i barely remembered and i wasnt sure if that was just bc of the different mindsets i was in while watching them or what. and ok i just rewatched the tv version again and like... yeah. it's the wills lol. i LOVEEE tv reba SO much she is giving everything in that scene!! she sounds so like... broken, both bc of dolarhyde's apparent suicide and bc of finding out who he was + what he was doing, she sounds so fragile and guilt ridden! she's amazing!! but will. idk. tv will's delivery just seems... idk this feels dumb to say but it sounds like writing. i admittedly LOVE the line "people who study this kind of thing say that he was trying to stop because you helped him." and his delivery there is good. but between tv "you didnt draw a freak, you drew a man w a freak on his back" and the 2002 version, the 2002 delivery seems more genuine while the tv delivery sounds rehearsed. idk overall the 2002 version of that conversation just makes me feel more? its like. idk i can feel the 2002 version gently holding my heart while the tv version is a scene that is nice in h/nnigram gifsets or w/e.
umm ok this is already suuuper long and my brain is getting a bit mushy so i'm gonna start wrapping it up lol. i'll probably compare book will and 2002 will again after i finish the book, and then i miiight rewatch hannibal, or at least parts of s3. but right now my thoughts are basically: book will is a fucking dick who has an easier time empathizing with serial killers than with his wife. tv will is a nothing girl after being so completely catered to + also idk he doesnt have the same fragility that i want from my wills now. and 2002 will is my little caramel apple. he has this delightful vulnerability and feels like he cares so much and empathizes with more people than serial killers and his boss and 4 people in a diner for one scene! 2002 will made me care about will graham! which is honestly kind of a feat!
#long post#like so so so long#my condolences anon and also anyone following me who doesnt want this on their dash#but yeah 2002 will is my booboo bear my cinnamon swirl coffeecake my little heavensent angel#and ed nortons performance made me feel more than hugh dancy's#i think ed norton does a really good job at giving his characters that kind of vulnerability and i LOVE that!!#like yeah whatever 'you're gat arent you dont you just think hes hot' sure say that but also like#have you seen him in primal fear? its a movie thats a firm Its Complicated for me but his performance is so good and he feels so vulnerable#and even in fight club and kingdom of heaven i think he gets that in there! idk i genuinely think he's a good actor#personal#red dragon#if im writing an essay i may as well put it in my tags#asks#anonymous#<- FORGOT TO ADD THOSE TAGS. anyway#EDIT: NOW FEATURING A READMORE LOL.
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Ramuda and Doppo :0
OH MY BOYS LETS GO
Under a cut bc long
Ramuda Amemura
First impression
Baby boy baby. Very cute and sweet i love characters with ramudas aesthetic i tend to want to protect them, especially since its an aesthetic that i fall into myself and lo v e so kseidjsnfn YEAH this man is baby!!!
Impression now
Ohhh my god i love this man i love the way he is characterised he is so incredibly interesting as a character and tbh so realistic and honestly i adore him!!! I alarmingly see a lot of myself in him tbh, were incredibly similar and that isnt necessarily a good thing!! But still i love this man
Favorite moment
Oh man where tf do i BEGIN there are so many ngl, but mostly all of the moments where we see ramuda's humanity. There is still a sweetness left under the darkness, there is still a man who wants to cling onto everything he has - his emotion, his internal battles, his morality vs his desperate need to survive - oh fucking man so much.
Idea for a story
CAN WE FUCKING. HAVE RAMUDA TALK HIS SHIT OUT PLEASE can we just have others actively helping ramuda cAN THIS MAN PLEASE BE SHOWN THAT ITS NOT TOO LATE FOR HIM,,, PLEASE,, i just want ramuda to finally talk out everything and have people on his side. Please.
Unpopular opinion
This probs isnt unpopular by any means, but idk what else to put here so take this:
I dont really see it often discussed that yknow ramuda is an abuse victim. Like, its very clear that chuokhu uses and abuses him, and his life is constantly being hung over his head. No wonder the dude is doing anything he can in order to survive, he has no choice in that regard. Before i get told this in the notes yes i know this doesnt excuse the things hes done!!! But tbh i really think that like the trauma that ramuda is living with kinda needs to be addressed.
Favorite relationship
I am a huge multishipper and have found a way to ship ramuda w just about most people (that are adults and not in chuokhu lol) so this is pretty tough
Id say either fling poly or jkrm and these are my reasons lets go:
Fling poly: HAVE YOU S E E N THEM do i really need to say more here all three of them have such good chemistry together, theyre all clearly on the same wavelength and have such a wonderful dynamic,,, they found out about the clones and shit and they STILL chose to protect ramuda and to fight for him and with him and to stay by his side aND BLACK JOURNEY TOO I-- IM GONNA START SOBBING,,,
Jakuramu: this one is not based on canon too much i am sorry this is mostly hc but i am a huge sucker for enemies to lovers ok also, i feel like out of TDD these two would be the ones to reconcile. After all, jakurai is a rather empathetic man and he probably would def understand the situation that ramuda was in. After all this dude was an ex assassin, if ramuda was to tell him everything, im sure that he would be able to relate to yknow the time he took others' lives, people with families and friends that he killed because he was ordered to and most likely had no other choice. Of course, jakurai is well within his right to not forgive ramuda for what happened to yotsutsuji, but i feel like he would and would help him get out of the situation hes in,,, and also im soft for the TDD era ok like how jakurai WANTED TO KNOW THE REAL RAMUDA AND LIKE,,, even when ramuda snapped at him he was GLAD HE WANTSD TO KNOW HIM FUCK MAN,,, i just really like these two ok
Favorite headcanon
I have quite a lot of hcs! Here are a few and like some explanation as to why:
- hes trans - i personally believe this bc personally itd make sense. Ramuda has a very feminine appearance and build, those that are like typically common in asian countries. As well as that, he has his own autonomy unlike the other clones. It wouldnt surprise me if chuokhu orignally wanted to make a girl to keep the other divisions in check, but when he decided personally that he didnt want to be such a way, they said sure, more room for us to treat you as we want to. Hes got money, getting T wouldnt be that difficult for him either, so thats why his voice is. That way fiaudjsnfnd anyway i think it makes sense!! Idk--
- he has bpd - projection probably but the biggest inspiration for this headcanon is how he is emotionally. His swings are violent - he feels and expresses such a diverse range of emotions and its so easy for him to change his emotional disposition - whilst also mostly feeling totally empty. Relationship wise also, given how he was genuinely really close to jakurai and then completely splitting on him, h a t i n g him. Yeah that sounds like bpd to me chief i know i have it!!! Theres more ik there is but i cant pull up examples rn
- hes neurodivergent - again mostly projection honestly and like there isnt much of a canon basis in his behaviour, just little things, but i like to personally hc that aside from eating candy to stay alive duh, that he chooses lollipops bc they serve as a sort of stim?? Also ik that fashion is his job but hes also so so clearly passionate about it that its a special interest for him, and thats partially why he took it up as a job in the first place, so he could do something related to his special interest lol. Idk i know there isnt any basis for this but just let me have autistic ramuda iaiesjdnsnfn
Doppo Kanonzaka
First impression
Now THATS what i call a tired mf!!! This dude has yves saint laurent eyebags also he really reminds me of aggretsuko somehow??? Im really not sure what it is
Impression now
Yeah i was def right with the aggretsuko comparison siaishsnshfb BUT I LOVEEE HIM i love him very much and i think this man really needs a break and is also very relateable i love
Favorite moment
As much as i love fp i absolutely adore the badass koments that doppo has including when he absolutely fucking obliterated fling posse sksjxnxncn also!! All of his little moments with hifumi i genuinely enjoy their dynamic its so cute
Idea for a story
Honestly i wanna see him slowly recover from the teauma that he has experienced because this king absolutely deserves it, and also from a practical point of view itd make this mf s t r o n g e r i also just.... long to see doppo happy honestly he deserves to smile!!
Unpopular opinion
I dont really have an unpopular opinion but saving like leaving this blank: as much as i absolutely adore jakurai and hifumi and their music (jakurai is my fave out of every hypmic character and i WILL drive this home), to me doppo just has the best music. Like, i love tigridia and BLACK OR WHITE so fucking much its absolutely unreal and all of doppos verses in every song are juust so fucking good. As much as i listen to you are, therefore i am on repeat every day of my life doppos music is just the best ✨
Favorite relationship
Again i am a huge multishipping bitch and i habe a few ships with doppo but in ahll honesty my fave is very clear - i absolutely adore his dynamic with matenrou as a whole and especially hifumi - his relationship with hifumi is clearly so special and it really shows how strong their friendship is, and in a ship sense i find it to be realy cute bc theres such a clear need for each other and that even if they clearly come at odds sometimes, at the end of the days theyre still clearly so close and i just,,, god doppo reallt deserves someone like hifumi in his life and im so glad that he has it!!!!
Favorite headcanon
Honestly i dont really think i have too many for doppo but given his general demeanor and his attitude, i personally hc him as demi. Yeah i know that sexualities dont have like typical personalities and such but i feel like given his anxieties around new people and how he clearly only really sticks to those that hes very close with, it makes more sense for him to be demi than any other sexuality to be quite honest - and this is also just pushing my hifudo agenda aiqiauansnssn but yknow!!!!
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