#Avatar 3 theories

[eywaseclipse]

“Son of Adam… your heart is mine!”

Here she is, it’s a bit in your face but hey I feel like that’s the energy for Varang. Maneater vibes 😇

[proffesionalalpaca]

Avatar 3 Wishlist - item #1 : Varang and Quaritch Team up

My anticipation for these two is insane and I can’t wait to see them.

More versions of the drawing under the cut.

The feeling when you Finally finish that WIP that’s been haunting your files lol.

Some clearer images without the background and overlays. Plus a version without the body paint.

Quaritch’s outfit based on the leaked image from avatar 3 - includes my own breakdown

[timetravellingshinigami]

If the first part turns out real...I don't know how to feel about it.

[nilnether]

So I've been thinking about things revealed here and in the concept art and I have some thoughts but some are also based on leaks so scroll past if you want to avoid Spoilers.

I wonder if Mangkwan have a tsahik. There has been a lot of speculation about who could be tsahik to Varang's Olo'eykte but maybe there just isn't one. I'm sure they have healers but tsahik is most of all the spiritual leader who connects to Eywa and Ash Na'vi reject Eywa. They would probably reject the institution of tsahik.

Previous concept art (with the kurus) made it look like she was leading some kind of ceremony so maybe she is also a religious leader (like Ruler of England being also head of the Church after the schism).

Maybe part of breaking with Eywa is the leader taking all of the power in their hands by creating a new religion. How very human-like.

We also see Varang flying he mount without their kurus being connected.

Mangkwan also reject the philosophy of all nature being interconnected and cooperation of life. And the leaked script had Varang trying to control Quaritch through the connection. So they can do tsaheylu but even that is twisted. No longer used to connect to other life and cooperate with it but to control it. Maybe they only connect to their mounts once when they break their will. After that they just expect obiedience. Maybe, it's for the best Quaritch learned how to do it from Spider first.

Also Ash Navi buildings seem to be made of skin and bones of something pretty big. I hope these are not tulkun but it would make RDA even better ally for them and they could hunt together

I also wonder how this whole inital encounter between Varang and Quaritch is going to go. This new concept are show him being brought to her bound.

But the BTS photo shows him free when the kids are captured.

And then the leaked script shows her trying to break his will, Jake captured with him and unconcious and Wainfleet trying to free Quaritch. And then it seem Quaritch and Jake manage to free the kids and fight their way out of there. That sems like a rollercoaster relationship and it doesn't even touch that part when Quaritch eventually ends up in Mangkwan clothes (Wainfleet too I suppose). Quaritch really seems to be all over the place in A3.

Cameron on D23 Brazil

The interview with Cameron during D23 in Brazil about Avatar movies.

The big reveal is that Tulkun are his favorites.

He also talks about Windtraders and Ash Na'vi.

The Ash Na'vi tribe name is Mangkwan. Same as one mentioned in the Avatar: The Next Shadow comics (proving comics are indeed canon). Wiki has already merged the entries.

So the Ash Na'vi call themselves Ash People for the volcanic ash that destroyed their civilisation.

They resent Eywa and other Na'vi because they feel they were left to suffer alone. They are really ones that hate god for abandoning them. It makes sense when your god is real and it preaches we are all connected but when bad things happen you are all alone because Eywa doesn't interviene.

But then, of course, Eywa did interviene for Jake Sully. She helped Omatikaya against the invaders. The immune response still protects Halleluja Mountains. This must hurt even worse.

I could see how this would feel like such a injustice. Why Varang and Quaritch could ally themselves on this feeling of being wronged. Even if Quaritch was the one at fault and natural disasters aren't the same as alien invasion threatening the whole world.

And the other Na'vi preaching how they are all connected - where were they when Mangkwan needed them? All they do is send them their undesirables. Screw them too.

I can see why they would be interested in human tech and using it to fight the other Na'vi and not caring about laws of Eywa or the consequences for the word. I also see why RDA would love to use them for that. I expect it to go about as well as training Taliban did.

[ionesyapping]

Notes about this single panel from her 'dream reality':

The guy: He is the guy who in the beach episode invited Azula, Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee at the party. At the balcony scene, Azula tries to flirt with one of the guys (though I don't remember which one and she doesn't seem to remember either) but the guy gets scared (his loss) and refuses her. With him being there it means she has a good reputation and social life.

Uncle Iroh: You can see he is present as well, we didn't see a bond between him and Azula but now we can see Azula wanted him in her life. Iroh is complimenting her, calling her "The conquer of Ba Sing Se" meaning in this reality she did conquer Ba Sing Se as in the canon, thing that Iroh couldn't do. Iroh was also the one who gave her dolls as a gift, nothing wrong in that if he didn't gave Zuko weapons, very inappropriate but it shown how he saw Azula and Zuko.

Ozai and Ursa: Both of them are sitting together, this means they have a good relationship, this means Ursa was never abused or had to leave the castle. In Azula's dream reality her parents are loving each other.

Zuko: There is a lot about him. He doesn't have a scar, meaning he never had an agni kai with his dad, the scene where Azula seemed so happy... she wished it never existed and her brother remained with her. Zuko says AZULA killed the avatar SINGLE HANDILY, again, Zuko was never thrown away so he never had to "Regain his honor". He, as everyone else seem genuinely happy for her.

Ursa: Beside the fact that in this reality she has a good relationship with Ozai, she is also loudly complimenting Azula, she genuinely looks proud of her.

There is a lot more going on but I think you got the idea

[soupmanspeaks]

Glammike but a kid should go up to Freddy during a Meet-N-Greet and mention something about playing catch with their dad and then Freddy looks them dead in the eyes like "haha I never played catch with my dad :3" before 4 beats of silence pass through that entire greenroom and bro gets looks from everyone send tweet

[nilnether]

Yes, something like a Man o' War sail filled with gas would make sense. Although for organism as gigantic it feels like that would still have to be something very light (could it be hydrogen? are they prone to explosions?) or maybe there are multiple layers to their buoyancy (@cyren-myadd had an idea they could absorb unobtainium to make themselves lighter) and then keeping a gas lighter than Pandora's atmosphere would help them chose how high they float instead of just relying on magnetic fields and tidal pull of Polyphemus.

I'm even more curious how the Manta Rays are floating and also pulling the whole bulk of the jellyfish/ship combo. I bet they would also have some kind of gas bladder foe buyoancy but what would be their method of propelling themselves when they don't seem to have a good way of pushing against the air? I can't wait to see what the final design look like and how they actually solve this in the film.

But I don't think Windtraders use their ships to attack and kill. They wouldn't be much of traders if they did that as no one would want to deal with them. If they devastated the regions they come the other clans wouldn't want them around and it'd be hard to do trade.

But I wonder if Ash People could be someone like pirates or Vikings - attaking the ships and other clans. Comics impy they take exiles so they might be living somewhere that's poor on resources and attack others to get what they need. To have the numbers to attack other clans they take anyone who can help them. So maybe the tenacles on the jellyfish are used defensively by the Windtraders to ward off the attacks.

Avatar - Fire And Ash - Thoughts about Wind Traders, Peylak and ships!

We've got these baddies in the teaser, so let's address what we're looking at first!

Allright, so there seems to be floating na'vi "ships" that consist of a gigantic Cnidarian-like floating creature, a manta ray like creature pulling it and then, na'vi-built structures hanging from them.

The Cnidarian / jellyfish / Man o' War -looking part appears to be, by its functionality, like a mixture of a zeppelin or a hot air balloon, and the sails of a ship.

There are these old concepts by James Cameron himself about these floating creatures from over 40 years ago, so it's quite cool to see them brought to life in such a surprising way.

The anatomy of the floating creatures of the teaser seems to consist of structure similiar to a hood/bell of a jellyfish, or the pneumatophore/sail of a Man o' War.

Another floating animal seen in JC's old concept art, the Manta Ray -looking one, seems to be harnessed to pull these ships forwards.

So we're seeing the return of two old creature concepts, joined together as parts of these Na'vi ships!

It also looks like the ships have tentacles hanging from them, probably belonging to the floating sail/balloon creature.

Tentacles like these in jellyfish and Man o' War alike are venomous and for catching and killing prey. This has some interesting implications for these Na'vi ships as well...

Perhaps their primary function is to feed the sail/balloon animal itself, but I wonder if the na'vi have more uses for them?

Do they use them to harvest something?

Do these tentacles hang in water, air, the ground or potentially all of those?

Wind Traders or Ash People?

My initial reaction was to assume the ships would belong to the Ash People, but then I remembered the Wind Traders being another confirmed new na'vi clan to show up in AFAA!

Then it clicked to me... Sails... WIND. You get the idea! So it seems these must be our first glimpse into the Wind Trader culture!

I suppose these ships carry trade goods in them? But they also resemble the British Colonial fleet that was, well, known for especially that colonial part? Wink wink. lol

I wonder if these ships are constructs of nightmare whose ravenous tentacles envenom and kill a huge mass of animal and plant life to be harvested and sold..? Could it be that the Wind Traders also have a villainous edge to them? What if even more so than the Ash Clan?

Are the "scary" aesthethics of Ash People just supposed to trick us from seeing who the real villain is...?! It's exciting to not know at all, and so much fun to guess!

Who is Peylak?

Peylak is one of the confirmed new na'vi characters in A3, played by David Thewlis. We don't know anything else about him yet!

Is he going to be of the Wind Traders or the Ash People...?

This lovely bloke of the Ash people looks like him a little bit, or am I just reaching? Or maybe this one would be painted in more detail if he was anything more than a random background character...

So, still no way to say if Peylak will be a sight to see on those ships, or someone else entirely...

End of rant!

[eywaseclipse]

I am my mother’s savage daughter.

I think I’m most excited to see Tuk’s time jump. And her growth. She was so young in atwow and she already showcases remarkable traits like her mother. I think she’s going to be a bad ass warrior like Neytiri.

[proffesionalalpaca]

OKAY!!??

Official title : Avatar 3 - Fire & Ash

D23 Ash Concept art

I was hoping they’d go into that dark, ritualistic (getting major hellblade Senua’s Saga vibes) vibe but Goddamn this is went hard and is genuinely terrifying imagery - I LOVE IT!!

Severed Kurus worn as trophies, sharp claws (extensions?) and even a long serpentine tail with a lack of tail tuft. Fairly close to the forest Na’vi but ghostly pale and lacking stripes/ markings of any kind.

They also appear like most besides Varang herself are starved and emaciated (man in the back may just straight up be a sacrifice/mummified corpse) , desperation may be their main motivation - not sure if they’ll do full blown cannibalism. They’ll probably tone it down for the official film but I really hope it’s not too much.

In another concept we see that the ash Na’vi ride a new species of ikran - a gnarly looking creature with many horns and pale colouration. And there are A LOT!

This implies the ash people number in the hundreds if not thousands - a force well prepared to go against any of Jake’s Na’vi forces.

This version of Varang seems closer to what we’ll probably be seeing in the final film - wearing her riding pants and minimal wardrobe that we saw in the motion capture render footage last year.

And if my eyes don’t deceive me - flying right behind her is a Na’vi man carrying a firearm - who I’m betting is Quaritch. Will he be cosying up to the ash Na’vi temporarily for short term gains or will this be for a more long term goal?

Varang’s signature face paint seems to be a forehead triangle - we saw that exact style on ‘Quaritch’ in this leaked image, so he may be wearing her mark during a big battle.

I’m so F*CKING EXCITED!

[timetravellingshinigami]

This looks like Kiri. The hairstyle for one and the body shape and the fact that Jake is trying to comfort her.

Also, it would make sense that Kiri with her weird abilities might have impressed the Ash clans and they let her wear their colours.

[nilnether]

I agree that Spider telling them is most likely. There were so many RDA people around and Wainflet also will be alive that I don't think Sullys will think of Spider first (although I can see Neytiri jumping to this conclusion just because she wants it to be true and she has flashbacks to Jake). And like you I'm retty sure Quaritch wouldn't admit it even under torture (I also like the idea of him betraying all his principles for Spider - including one about lying) unless he could get Spider to stay with him (but that's unlikely before the miracle). So I think it's Spider's secret to tell.

I suspect Spider will admit it after they find out Quaritch is alive. It's one of those secrets that there never seems to be a right time to tell. And Cameron seems to love to redo the plot points and add an extra twist to show parallels between characters or to contrast them. He did it with both Quaritch and Jake storylines following a lot of A1 storylines to show how having kids changes things. Spider being too late to confess would parallel Jake in the first movie niecly. But I think the follout will be more test for Jake (his commitment to take care of Spider better) and Neytiri (her facing he predjudices) than Spider himself.

This is why I think Spider haters are going to be so disappointed. They all think he will be the one who will get punished in the story. But he already went through torture and burining villages. He was the one almost murdered. It'stime for adults to deal with the consquences of their mistakes. And this angle is different enough from the first movie that it makes sense to repeat this storyline.

One of the things I'm most excited to see in Avatar 3 is how the Sullies will learn that Spider saved the life of Quaritch.

Personally, I believe that Spider will tell them himself. I'm just not sure whether he'll confess before or after they learn Quaritch is alive. If he tells them before, I think the Sullies would be a bit more forgiving since they'll have time to process and accept that Quaritch survived, but if he keeps it a secret until after they'll be more likely to react badly since they'll still be struggling with the shock that Quaritch is still out there.

I don't think Quaritch will tell them himself because he'd be afraid of them, specifically Neytiri, reacting badly and possibly hurting Spider. However, I could see a scenario where Quaritch is trying to talk Spider into coming with him and Spider refuses, so then Quaritch tells one of the Sullies how he's still alive in an effort to make Spider feel like the Sullies hate him now and he has no choice but to qo with Quaritch.

There's also a possibility that both Spider and Quaritch will keep their mouths shut and one of the Sullies will guess what he did, but I feel like this one is less likely to happen since the family was so distracted with rescuing each other from drowning that they didn't pay much attention to Spider disappearing for awhile.

But this is all just my two cents on it, I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks!

[sarentuclan]

Avatar 3 Theory

So, we know that our protagonists will soon butt heads with the Ash People in the upcoming movie, and it's implied that they don't have a good connection/if any connection with Eywa at all.

But what if it's because...they can't?

We haven't seen much infighting between the Na'vi in the games or the movies, and the times we do see clan vs clan conflict it mostly results in social banishment/reclusion (like the Kame'tire in AFOP). In fact, banishment seems to be the capital punishment on Pandora, as the Na'vi value all life highly.

It does make sense when everything on Pandora has an organic supercomputer that you can connect to any time. Having strained relations with another clan due to a misunderstanding? An accident? Or even out of anger? Simply check their uploaded memories and see what the big deal was. Feel their anger and understand it. I believe this is why we haven't seen any clan vs clan conflicts at those time.

Leading into my theory...what if you didn't have access to the organic supercomputer? What if...it was literally too hot to sustain the plant life needed? Somewhere like a volcano?

Maybe the reason why the Ash People are so combative is because they literally don't have the connection to Ewya due to where they live. They don't have Ewya to act as a mediator to understand other Na'vi 's struggles. They're disconnected.

This is probably why Varang has the necklace of Kurus. It is so haunting to us (and probably to other Na'vi) because we know how a Kurus is like a key to their connection to everything around them. But to someone who wouldn't be able to access that connection to matter what... it wouldn't matter to them if they (or their enemies )had their kuru or not.

And with what we learned in AFOP (that animals without Kurus will become hyper aggressive and antisocial) we can assume that this (or at least a less severe version) happens to ANYONE without a connection to Ewya.

TLDR: The Ash People fight against other Na'vi because they can't connect to Ewya and feel their pain due to living in a volcanic environment where the organic supercomputer can't reach.

[adrixagr]

Enemy of my enemy

[zafrinaxyz]

you guys .... c'mon

those aren't her nails ...

those are sharpened bones she uses as accessories 🙂

[hexxter]

Ok but what if Ephemer’s and Player’s hearts are like literally connected (really really literally)

Maybe like, small pieces of each other heart being traded, or i guess other magical ways

So if the theory of Sora being the third reincarnation of the player.. (even tho I don’t like this theory cause both deserves to have their heart, specifically Sora with his heart hotel moments)

Maybe thats how Ephemer soul showed up in KH3? Cause the connection to player that stayed within Sora, this theory pretty common right?

And if thats works one way, could also go the other way no?

Ephemer summoning the Player’s soul with the hearts connection. Maybe even unintentionally, suddenly poof the player is there as a ghost!

Sounds like interesting angst. Maybe thats would be also like.. why the player took pretty long to reincarnated to missing link area cause Ephemer was still around so Player’s soul tied up to his heart.

[nilnether]

This theory of Spider just getting part of Eywa to live inside of him seems really cool and it sure seems the most plausible. I can't imagine his whole body being remade during that one scene in the forest. And if he dies, they will die with him when DNA changes wouldn't so there is reason to be careful with him. Also, then RDA would just need samples of those organisms so it should be possible without irreversible damage to Spider (I'm sure Quaritch will be very clear on that). I'm hoping that they can just use biopsy and take small samples. Spider has suffered enough already and I hope there isn't any more torture ahead of him.

Since Michelle Yeoh is not going to be there in A3 when RDA will capture Spider she won't be the one experimenting on him so that's not going to be on her. But maybe she will realize that the samples don't grow/die when they are removed from him and that could lead her to search for other answers like going to directly to Eywa. But it also could mean a hunt for Sipder to get him back.

So here comes another theory I have (admittedly this one is very out there) - people often wonder is Spider could be getting an avatar but, as it's often rightfully pointed out, only RDA has resources to make those and why would they do it for Spider (some dirty, traitorous orphan)? But in capitalism if you can't just take something maybe you can buy it and I can see them trying to get Spider to switch bodies.

They'll offer to give him an avatar so they can get his human body in exchange to run as many tests as they want. Spider probably wouldn't take it but being constantly chased by RDA hellbent on getting this information may lead to some bad decisions. Like maybe Quaritch trying to save him even against his will and even if Spider hates him forever. Or the good guys thinking they can out smart RDA and failing.

I'm probably going too far but I couldn't stop thinking how we are all products to companies selling our information and Spider is going to become more precious than amrita.

Ok, so about Dr Karina Mogue. I think she will be the RDA scientist who will try to figure out how Spider was changed and how it can be replicated. I think she will be brought to study the results from whatever tests they'll run on him (maybe even the samples they will take) when he is captured by RDA after the miracle. I also think that it will lead her to trying to figure out Eywa - what she is and how she works.

I'm not sure if she will be evil (Michelle Yeoh was so great and clearly had a lot of fun in Star Trek in very Recom Quaritch like role) and try to use this knowledge to destroy Eywa and adapt humans for Pandora so they can replace Na'vi. Or if her work will lead her to change sides and maybe use her knowledge to save Earth instead (I'm rooting for this option).

ooh that's a great theory! With all the strange stuff leaked that will happen to Spider in A3, it makes sense the RDA would want to study it, and if there's gonna be a big focus on it in future movies it also makes sense they'd introduce a new character as the main scientist studying it. I hope she'll join the resistance too, but I bet Yeoh will be able to pull of a good villain if not!

But this just makes me scared for Spider. It's unclear how the "miracle" will happen to him, but one theory my reddit friend u/ellestra came up with is that Spider himself won't have a physical or genetic change, but rather that the sacred strands from one of the spirit trees will go inside of his lungs and act as a built in filter, filtering out the harmful gases in the atmosphere but letting oxygen pass through. Similar to how humans on earth have bacteria cultures in our guts that have a symbiotic relationship with us; the bacteria cultures get a warm, moist environment to live in and we get help digesting our food. The sacred strands will be like that, living off the nutrients in his body and filtering the unbreathable atmosphere in return.

It would be similar to what happened to Grace, when the na'vi were able to create a temporary kuru for her so she could connect with Eywa before dying. I believe u/Ellestra's theory is pretty likely, much more likely than Spider undergoing a genetic/physical mutation, cause basically his entire cardiovascular and respiratory system would have to be drastically changed to adapt to Pandora's gasses.

All this is to say is that if the RDA wants figure out what happened to Spider, they'll probably have to look into his lungs, which I imagine would involve some extremely unethical science experiments... poor Spider 😭 I hope Dr. Mogue will be a good guy and not let anything too terrible happen to him if this theory is true but we'll have to wait and see.