#Anti OUAT writers

[rumbelle-scream]

oh god where's the link 😭 edit: here

Robert Carlyle and Emilie de Ravin discussing their improvised kiss in 6x22 

[chippedteacupchat]

Is it just me, or was Hook the writers' favorite and Rumple their least favorite?

Because Rumple's character gets screwed over so many times, and every time it happens, who comes out looking more holy and heroic? If you said Hook, you'd be right.

What makes it even more annoying to me is that the show tries to present Hook and Emma's relationship as the best and healthiest (because it was the writers' favorite). However, instead of showing us reasons why it's healthy, they just make the other couples worse. For example, CaptainSwan got together in season 4 and that same year, Rumbelle was ruined and OutlawQueen was ruined because of Marian!

This isn't to say I hate Hook, because I don't. I wanted Hook and Rumple to be written well together.

[raviolitin]

The fact they make Hook saving David from his dreamshade poisoning into a captain swan thing will never fail to make me angry

[ouatsnark]

I'm sure you've talked about this on hear before but its hard to tell sometimes.

What are your thoughts on what Neal/Baelfire did to Emma? Because I don't see it talked about a lot about what he did to her. Concerning the fact that she was like 16 and he was over 200 or so years old.

As you read this I need everyone to focus in on this one thing: So. Just to be clear. I do not believe the show correctly portrayed the reality of this relationship. For that reason… things get dicey. So the opinion I am going to give is based on what canon has given us and what I feel OUAT was portraying. Because these two things are in direct conflict when it comes to Swanfire.

According to the timeline, we know that Emma was 16 and Neal states he is 150. That isn’t quite possible with Killian being 200-300 but whatever we’re gonna role with it. When we get to the Emma and Neal scenes their age difference wasn’t retconned. It wasn’t re-written. The writers just didn’t acknowledge, or think about or consider Emma’s canon age when they were writing the scenes. So we don’t see this relationship being portrayed as a predatory one (even though technically it should’ve been). I have seen people try to head canon it in there by pointing to what they perceive Emma’s motives to be in how she responds to Neal but that’s a personal opinion/evaluation of the character. Which is valid. But from a canon perspective? It’s not what the show was going for. In my opinion.

I say this because I would bet money that the majority of general audience viewers, those that casually watched therefore don’t know a lot about the timeline, do not know that Emma should have been 16 in those scenes. I say this because at that time I was one of those people. I had no idea Emma was suppose to be 16. It wasn’t until I joined the fandom and looked at a timeline that I went “holy shit.” I feel like the show was counting on this to get away with it. In my opinion they used JMO instead of the teenage actress for this very reason. OUAT wanted to completely ignore the age difference and portray a relationship between two consenting adults. Neal was not written to be a predator. Neal and Emma were portrayed as two orphans that connected over their shared trauma of being abandoned by their parents and who were of similar ages.

Can statutory rape have an effect on a fictional character when the fictional character isn't being portrayed as a minor in the scenes (because the writers aren’t acknowledging it) and what's being shown is between two consenting adults? Canonically speaking Emma has never specifically told us that she has any trauma from statutory rape. How could she when the scenes aren’t being written that way (despite the fact that they should be)? Emma has only specifically spoken about Neal abandoning her. What we saw was a toxic relationship in the sense that Neal was a self-centered coward.

But at the same time you can’t deny the simple canon fact that Emma is 16 when she meets 150 year old Neal. Do I find that disgusting? Yes. Do I think this should’ve affect Emma in some way? Yes. Do I feel like this was shown on the show? No. But I very much wish the show would've addressed it. Actually, what they should’ve done is just not have made Henry Rumple's grandson. But here we are.

I feel like this was a major flaw in the Swanfire relationship and for this reason alone I will never get behind that ship. Everyone should be appalled at the writing. The Once Upon a Time writers were so very negligent that I feel like they should be barred from writing all together. They created some compelling stories and interesting dynamics but when their writing failed they failed epically.

I covered this a little bit in this post here:

P.S. I am way behind on my inbox because life has gotten away from me.

[raisedbyanother]

It's even worse knowing what the showrunners thought about it. From the DVD commentary of A Land Without Magic:

Kitsis, chuckling: "I love how the Queen just abuses the huntsman, that he’s basically just a trapped sex slave.

Rewatching Once Upon a Time and being hit by some disturbingly mature themes in season 1. Graham didn't deserve the hell he was put through, the sexual abuse.

Makes me pause on Regina's character and redemption

[sassyandclassy94]

I'm watching Once Upon a Time for the first time and I've reached season 2 so far! I really enjoyed season 1, but I can already feel my interest in the show decreasing after the curse was broken. Plus, I'm not sure I want to watch all seven seasons as that feels like too much. Is there any particular point that would be a good place to stop? What are the best seasons?

Hi!! I recommend stopping after they come back from Neverland. I myself have a hard time stomaching it after a particular character’s death. After Neverland they became 100% fan service, character regression, and started glorifying toxic relationships. Adam and Eddie dropped the ball when they scrapped their original plan for what loud and horny teenagers demanded. It lost its magic after season 3a

[kyliafanfiction]

I loathe how 1x11 makes Leopold seemingly perfect, and we never really get a look at any other side of the story.

[fuckyeahbelleandrumpelstiltskin]

Oh lord, this whole plot was such a clusterfuck from start to finish.

Basically there was a leaked ABC recap where it is stated that Regina takes Belle's heart without Belle's permission. However the show muddled that up by either deleting the scene or never filming it.

Then, I kid you not, A&E just forgot all about her knowing. Because Belle getting used and abused to hurt Rumple is no big deal right? Why should anyone care? It's just Belle after all. (Sarcasm)

I hate this show. 🤮

I made a recap with the receipts here for anyone interested to revisit the madness.

i've probably ranted about it a hundred times already...

but BUT the way regina stole belle's heart? the scenes don't make sense. the characters don't make sense.

i liked the rumple&will team up to steal belle's heart, but on belle's side, it's not making sense! regina asked belle for her heart, and yet she's clueless when it was returned? regina's not supposed to pull hearts and order people against their wills either! there was no need! she overstepped! and did i mention how it never got brought up again!?

the subplot ends with belle looking at rumple longingly, like she remembered that "oh! i love him." then follows the apparent breakup between belle and will. (oh, and his place in this show also doesn't make sense!)

ergo, this is my most hated plotline. above all the s5-s7 weirdness, this is one where i don't even consider it canon. there's always a better, alternate version of the situation in my head. my headcanon pieces this stupid stupid situation together.

[coalitiongirl]

Hello! Do you have any favourite Regal Believer fic to recommend (your fics or someone else's)? I find myself missing this relationship a lot these days and I need some good fanfic to keep my little heart warm 💕

i love them.......every time i see a gifset i'm overwhelmed by how dear they are to me 🩵 i feel like in recent years i've become much more interested in henry's dynamic with emma too?? back in the day i actually remember resisting even talking about it because the entire narrative was so anti-adoption and it felt like everyone had to fight just to give regal believer the space and narrative it deserved.

but then because of that (and because with ouat the only relationships that are good are the ones that happen in spite of the writers) regina and henry got this gorgeous fleshed out love story while it feels like emma and henry kind of drift apart over the years without it ever being dealt with in canon and i just wanna fix it. and tbh when i really like a canon story i find myself writing less fic to fix it, lol.

these are my personal stories that i tagged for regal believer (it's present in most fics but i only tag it when it's really central to the story!) and these are the ones that are more swan-mills family. this was one i read recently and really loved......i took such a long hiatus from fic that it's hard for me to remember titles of other ones.

but now is a FABULOUS time for people to rec others below!! i had such good fortune last time i asked for recs i know y'all have Taste

(also idk about the anon but if you rec something that features a non-sq ship then please warn me lol)

[peculiarbeauty]

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[deafchild2000]

Drizella and the Tremaine Family Deserved Better Writing

(Author's Note: The one writing this post is African American woman in her 20s, so no one better claim racism in this as I go!)

You know, it's 2025 and I've had a long time to think on this and really consider it and honestly: I don't care now. I'm gonna say it!

Drizella Tremaine needed better writing as well as flushing out her Fairytale World, which according to OUAT - was basically supposed to be a whole new world with different reiterations of fairytales.

Before you guys go after me defending Ella, let me make this thing clear: I am not ANTI Cinderella/Jacinda Vidrio. In fact, as far as Cinderella stories go - I'm all for interpretation in between quiet strength to badassery like anyone else. But I have one pet peeve:

MAKE IT INTERESTING!

With all the flashbacks from S7, it's clear the Cinderella story followed & diverted in so many ways.

Before the marriage, Cecelia and Ella were a wealthy, noble single parent household. I don't know if Cecelia was a Viscountess or a Baroness (I honestly like the headcanons about her, even from GlassBeliever blogs), but at the end of the day, they were fine and doing fine on their own.

With Rapunzel's sacrifice - when she was worthy of being a mother and wife - helped Marcus and her girls achieve a better life where Marcus could take care of them and see them well. It's not time specified, but even if he hadn't remarried, Marcus, Anastacia, and Drizella would've been okay.

Drizella was the one who had a fascination with lanterns and had the initial idea to use them for Rapunzel to help her return home.

Marcus and Cecelia meet, fall in love, and marry - and thankfully the stepsisters get along well for the next 6 years.

Drizella's 14th birthday party - where Cecelia was poisoned by Rapunzel with Gothel's prompting after watching Drizella being happy with Cecelia, Ella, and Anastacia. (And I say 14th because Anna Cathcart was 14 during this time.)

Marcus chased after Cecelia, leaving all three girls in Rapunzel's care, for a year - making it all the way to Wonderland until his half of the enchanted locket stopped glowing. After which brokenhearted, he returned home to tell Ella and the girls Cecelia isn't returning.

Clearly sometimes, a year is my best estimate, Rapunzel and Marcus rekindled the flame & the sisters' recovered until Ella and Ana fell through the ice & Marcus is only able to get Ella and Rapunzel must've swam for Ana off-screen or how else would she had gotten her to Gothel.

Then, flashforward to the Cinderella story: Marcus is dead (later revealed to be murdered and only Ella suspected), Ella is a slave in her own home, Drizella was turned into the sole wicked stepsister, and Lady Rapunzel Tremaine is running the show.

I'll give OUAT credit: They kept it interesting, and I always wondered about renditions of Cinderella where the lesser/more flawed stepsister has more of a role.

So thank God they got Adelaide Kane for the role. She killed it using what she had.

But there's so much an actress can do to save the storyline.

Why? Because all that I listed? There's so many holes in Cinderella's story and the character of Ella/Jacinda herself was great but also highlighted it.

For starters, even in the flashbacks, we never really saw Cecelia and Ella process the arrival of Rapunzel. To give credit to her, Cecelia was clearly willing and extended the olive branch to enter her life and reintegrate into her daughters' lives but there's a reason the writers' gave her a name that means "blind" - because she was blind to Rapunzel and what a woman would do if her child (Drizella) wasn't as receptive to her as her husband and eldest daughter are after being locked in a tower for years - and this cost her a happy life with her family and broke the hearts of her daughters of both blood and by heart (and all honestly, I refuse to believe she didn't figure who stood to gain the most from her absence). And back to Ella, we never saw her and her relationship with Rapunzel before everything went to hell - which is a big NO NO from an aspiring writer like myself. The writers shouldn't just assume because the viewers know the story of Cinderella that it fills in the blanks - we need to see it too. Was Rapunzel initially accepting or tolerant of Ella when Cecelia was in the picture? Had or could she'd come to care about her had Anastacia not been preserved in a frozen coma? Obviously why did she kill Marcus - I get him giving her the benefit of the doubt but your new wife leaves after the presumed dead one returns? Come on now! And what about Ella and Drizella's relationship? If flashbacks showed they were close - how the hell did Drizella go from being skeptical of Rapunzel and loving Ella to wanting Rapunzel's attention and turning against Ella (actually I do get it Maybe the crazy part is how no friends or concerned staff members or just someone on the outside to recognize the messed up situation Rapunzel made of their lives). Ella definitely deserved to get her punches in and tell Drizella off for aiding in Rapunzel's abuse over the years - no doubt about it, and I still wanna figure out when she learned swordfighting because that was a lost trove of knowledge to her adaptable, badass character (right next to stealing Henry's motorcycle). Yet, when it comes to the girl who knew life before and after the Tremaine as well as life before & after Rapunzel - something stinks. And because Adelaide and Anna did such a good job portraying both Adult & Tween versions of Drizella - they also made it so it was like Day & Night, and it's not natural.

I once said Drizella was a child who was isolated and manipulated until evildoers knew they didn't have to work hard to mold her into a pawn (there's a reason she related to Regina) - but now I question if the only thing that pushed her into Rapunzel's influence...was Ella herself. The thing about Cinderella, you know her story and know even when she's alone, she still has allies while the step family at least had each other. In this OUAT scenario, Ella and Drizella were all they had with the former being the last remnant of happiness from the past. Not with the way Ella was proven protective of her loved ones. And given the subtext that Ella was clearly more aware of things that Drizella didn't (like Marcus's death), then I have three guesses:

A misunderstanding Rapunzel took advantage of to draw the final wedge between them.

A fight broke out between Ella and Drizella, and Ella said something she regretted that pushed Drizella into Rapunzel's grasp.

(Literally just came to me now) Marcus's death. The final straw, the man that raised them, and now that I think about it - it's never stated HOW he died. But Ella suspected murder and there's nothing about Drizella's

So either a serious misunderstanding

Now, note this: I'm not blaming Tween!Drizella for Rapunzel's actions. In fact, if the narrative had built on that - the fact Drizella was the only one skeptical and distant about Rapunzel's presence when she's clearly bonded to Cecelia + Rapunzel's choice to act on poisoning the woman who raised Drizella in her absence ON Drizella's birthday. Yes, it was a moment's choice and opportunity - but I wouldn't put it past Rapunzel had done this aimed at Drizella back then either! As the saying goes: Hurt people hurt people - and I'm never not denying Drizella's actions towards Ella, but I have to say that there's so much UNSAID that it makes me wonder just what happened besides losing Ana, Cecelia, and Marcus + Rapunzel's manipulations.

And notice I don't have a specific section about Anastacia. Why? Because compared to Drizella, I should be more of a fan of hers by principle. She loved all three of her parents, she loved being a part of a trio of sisters (a girl her own age and her baby sister). There was nothing wrong with her holding out for Rapunzel and clearly she bonded with Cecelia over the years. She was the happiest of them all and clearly balanced out on what was important. But now imagine the last thing she remembers is falling through ice and plunging into a frozen lake and the next thing: she's waking up in a world that's not her own, her mom is older and her little sister is OLDER THAN HER (and apparently hates her) and she's asked to undo magic on someone having no idea it's her step-niece and being used in what? 24-48 hours give or take (that you can correct me if I'm wrong). I agree the writers having Drizella say Anastacia has more reasons to hate her than Ella is wrong - because the real person who should have lived to say that is Rapunzel, who destroyed the happiness of Anastacia's childhood and broke the relationship with her sisters all for what? To claim her "rightful" place when she could have learned to share? Yeah, Anastacia is gonna have issues I sympathize with. I stand with the idea that eventually Drizella and Anastasia would return, and she'd make it her business to fix what her mother broke like Henry at the beginning of OUAT.

And one more thing that I'm not gonna leave unattended: I ship StepBeliever. Yes, I understand what Drizella did and I said before, I held her to it. And do I think Drizella could be a lesbian? Honestly, I always pegged her as bisexual back then, closeted due to Rapunzel, But this is Henry! Henry Mills - the literal end product of two generations of heroes and villains and literally carried the title of Author - so he can change the fate of fairytales. He was born as the child of the Savior and the son of Rumplestilskin. My biggest gripe on him was his search for a love story like his grandparents - and that got old as soon as I heard it because that's no way to start a love story. Or maybe strictly speaking: Going for a "classic romance" for a guy who's descended & raised by them and has the power to literally alter storylines of "classic" tales? That was almost painful to listen to. With that potential, Henry could really just fall in love with anybody because he brings out the best of anybody. The fact that his wife ended up being Cinderella could have been charming if it wasn't for the fact my SHIPPER antenna wasn't picking anything up for nearly the entire season. As friends or co-parents, what was seen before and during the curse between Henry and Ella didn't inspire me as a writer or a shipper - and I'm very critical about that, for example, I'd never have put Nick and Adalind together in Grimm, so for all you OUAT fans that are stickler on rape culture? Look at them! - and the only thing connected to them that I hated was Lucy Mills herself (Too long to talk about!) Ella alone as a character was fine, great, she just should have had her own story to herself and the writers' should have kept it to her given the lack of flashbacks to memories we hear about but don't see & context pointing to unspoken moments in her story. Henry could have easily been that wildcard best friend to Cinderella and I still would've enjoyed it - but the romance angle...CRINGE! If you wanted me to see Drizella as just a layered but still wicked stepsister that I'd enjoy watching but not root for? The writers failed. Instead, while also lacking flashbacks to memories we hear about but don't see & context pointing to unspoken moments, we still get more scenes with her, which all leads up to...The Bench Scene. That one scene and set of dialogue that had my SHIPPER antenna blaring and I wasn't even expecting that! And I think it hit me because that scene was Drizella's most honest at her situation. It didn't need specific or mention of magic, they got to the core of her situation in a casual setting and Henry's moment with her that felt real, it was real. And kept me thinking it would've been her when Henry did that coin toss to see which "true love" would walk through the door of that bar and even when Drizella was having hot chocolate at his apartment before going to make things right with Anastasia (and even she's pushing him towards Ella in this scene) because she's right - Ella makes sense and is good for Henry and given the entire post above - it's not to say Ella didn't deserve Henry either. But Drizella is also right: Have he arrived in her life sooner, then he might have made all the difference in her choices had they met first.

I RESPECT Adelaide's opinion that Drizella and Henry would never happen... Yet I'm just not sure after purposely watching Henry with Drizella and Ella multiple times over the years and finding my antenna still leaning towards Drizella (and growing fonder of Ella/Jacinda).

Henry wants a "classic" character? With his history, a wicked stepsister with baggage - and crimes - made sense. (And let's be clear, she was clearly attracted to him but if she REALLY wanted him, Henry would've been cursed beau instead of thinking his family died).

And on the premise that Drizella likes girls? I definitely agreed, just don't think Henry and his positive influence should be ruled out regardless of any or type of relationship they have.

[gch1995]

Even the 1937 Snow White wasn’t just a helpless damsel-in distress. She gets saved by men twice throughout the story, and the Huntsman spares her life. However, you also have to remember that Snow White is the youngest princess in these stories and the most sheltered one. She’s somewhere between 13-14 years old. Of course, she’s going to be terrified when her evil stepmother tries to have her killed because she’s jealous of her being prettier than her.

However, even though her parents die when she is still young, she is forced to be a scullery maid in rags by her stepmother, and she forced to flee from her own kingdom when said stepmother tries to have her killed out of jealousy of her beauty, Snow White still does her best to remain cheerful, helpful, gracious, kindhearted, and selfless. That’s a really difficult thing for a lot of people to do when they’ve been put through a wringer of abuse, loss, mistreatment in life. It’s not easy to hold on to hope and kindness in the face of mistreatment and trauma. That’s what made the 1937 Snow White such a great role model. She didn’t need to be a girlboss to be strong.

Ginnifer Goodwin is a great actress, she is beautiful, and she made a pretty badass Snow White on OUAT in the first three seasons. To be fair, though, it wasn’t her fault that Adam and Eddy destroyed her character, David’s character, and every other main character on that show who lasted past the first two-and-a-half to three seasons. They ran out of story to tell after the Neverland arc, and tried to keep redoing the same arcs for the characters over and over again until they became shells of their former selves.

Rachel Zegler is such a brat. She’s definitely the most disrespectful and obnoxious young actress they’ve chosen to cast for these unnecessary live action Disney remakes. Yeah, Emma Watson and Hallie Bailey were mildly bratty, but even with them you could tell they were just spouting Disney’s “woke” agenda to not ruin their contracts. Hallie Bailey at the very least seemed to enjoy playing Ariel, and tried to honor Jodie Benson somewhat. Rachel’s absolute arrogance, greediness, and disrespect for the animated Disney source material is the worst yet, though.

Rachel Zeglar: I’m gonna be the first Snow White who is not going to be a damsel in distress dreaming about true love and instead she’ll learn to become a fighter and a great leader for her kingdom! No one’s ever done an independent Snow White before!

Me:

[hrhdhead]

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[kyliafanfiction]

I kind of loathe that they created that whole history between Eva and Cora and Leopold? Like, it kind of -

I don't like it. But it really is their whole schtick, isn't it? Everyone always related to everyone else.

[loststarsabove]

1. This is quite possibly the worst episode of the show so far and I wish I could bleach it from my brain forever.

2. Genuine question. Did the writers actually hate Rumbelle? Because it sure seems like it.

3. I am not here for the Belle & Hook friendship. (Bring back Ruby)

4. I love Karen David.

[gch1995]

No one hates OUAT more than those of us in the fandom who actually watched it and/or followed it long enough to fully realize just how disappointingly awful, hopeless, and ridiculous the writing became in the piss poor excuse for canon the show devolved into the longer it went on, even though it was supposed to “be fun” and “give us hope.” At least all of its beautiful wasted potential became an outlet for far superior writing in our headcanons and fanfiction, though, no matter how shitty the actual show got.

I always feel so bad for newbies in the fandom who haven’t yet uncovered the horrific clusterfuck of bad writing this show ultimately devolved into. A part of me always feels like telling new fans to just spare themselves the pain, and to just quit watching after the Neverland arc. The majority of those of us in the OUAT fandom agree that the show’s writing ultimately devolved into a painfully biased, cheaply shocking, cheesy, wildly inconsistent, melodramatic, nonsensical, pandering, repetitive, and wildly ooc unsalvageable mess of bad writing that made us feel angry, betrayed, bored, and disgusted more often than not after that.

However, even after the show’s writing went completely off the rails beyond all salvaging, there were still those gold nuggets of wasted potential for characters, relationships, and storylines that could have and should have been amazing, if Kitsowitz and these writers actually had been able to be consistently competent and professional at their jobs. Particularly when looking back at the first two-and-a-half seasons of OUAT, I feel a great sense of disappointment at just how much beautiful and interesting potential they ultimately wasted in these characters and relationships in favor of blatantly biased, cheaply shocking, contrived, nonsensical, mutually toxic, wildly ooc, repetitive, and thus, character destroying magical soap opera melodrama.

There’s always this deep sense of disappointment in me over the amazing show that canon OUAT ultimately could have and should have been whenever I see all of those golden nuggets of tragically wasted potential Kitsowitz and these writers showed us in those moments when they were actually being competent show-runners and writers, particularly in S1-2A before they show got too distracted by the next big contrived magical thing to actually let the characters slow down, talk to each other, hang out with each other, and grow and react like in-character and relatable human beings. If only they were able to ultimately write and stick to a consistent, relatable, gradual, realistic, and organic course of character development that actually would have ultimately made these characters, happy endings, redemption arcs, and/or regression arcs actually feel well-earned and satisfying in the end.

Instead, they ended up erasing, minimizing, and/or outright romanticizing certain bad behaviors and choices of their characters at certain points and the negative consequences and/or effects they had in regards to those they hurt and/or victimized.

Instead, they ended up outright derailing most of their characters normally and/or consistently previously established complex, intelligent, and sympathetic characterizations and/or positive development at one point or another in order to rerail them over and over and over again more and more post S3 in increasingly abrupt, cheaply shocking, contrived, disappointing, flanderdized, horrifying, melodramatically toxic, and nonsensical ways that made them suddenly come across as uncharacteristically unsympathetic and stupid out of nowhere.

Instead, they created absurdities out of nowhere to inorganically force the characters to regress in ways that contradicted all previously established canon characterization, continuity, and previously established logic on the show.

Instead, they selectively bent, broke, and contradicted their own rules of magic with less and less fairness, rhyme, or reason as every season passed the first.

If only they had consistently and fairly stuck to their own rules and limitations of what magic could and couldn’t do. If only they treated their characters as complex and relatable human beings and equals with compelling, consistent, and realistic personalities, flaws, conflicts, regressions, redemptions, and resolutions that drove their stories consistently, gradually, organically, and realistically because of who they were and/or developed into as people, rather than because nonsensical asspulled twists and/or magical macguffins demanded that these characters suddenly become whatever they needed them to become a certain way to create cheap shock value, suspense, drama, and repetitive storytelling, regardless of all previously established characterization, continuity, development, and logic in their own canon.

Instead, they decided to cherry pick favorite characters and/or ships to frame as “redeemed” in the narrative, even though they may not have actually done anything to earn it and/or regressed without any negative consequences for doing so, just because Emma and the Charmings accepted them as “family.”

Instead, they ended up slapping increasingly biased, petty, meaningless, and shallow “hero” and “villain” labels on all of their characters, regardless of how objectively and needlessly harmful their choices, behaviors, and reactions may have been to others, in spite of being on the “right” side.

But we all ultimately sustained ourselves in the OUAT fandom by imagining just how amazing these characters, their relationships, and their storylines could have and should have been, trying to disregard the character assassinating bad writing in the piss poor excuse for canon that OUAT ultimately devolved into, taking Kitsowitz and these writers golden nuggets of tragically wasted potential for these characters, their relationships, and creating far superior works of art with those golden nuggests of wasted potential in canon with our headcanons and fan fiction.

OUAT isn’t a show that stuck with most of us because we were impressed by its writing in canon. In fact, most of us are fully aware that there were writing choices in the piss poor excuse of canon OUAT our favorite characters and relationships on the show that were inexcusably awful, biased, cheesy, cheaply shocking, gross, offensive, inconsistent, nonsensical, tone-deaf, wildly ooc, and/or repetitive at one point or another. Honestly, if the main character and/or relationship lasted past S3 in the main cast, then Kitsowitz and the writers destroyed your favorite character and/or ship with bad writing at one point or another.

After the writers unceremoniously killed off Bae/Neal, and resurrected Rumple from the show’s most consistently relatable, realistic, sympathetic, and well-earned two-and-a-half season redemption arc from S1-3A, it became clear thet they ran out of story to tell after wrapping up the Neverland arc, and had no idea where else they were supposed to go with Emma, Regina, Hook, Rumple, Belle, Snow, David, and even Henry’s individual characters or relationships anymore.

We know canon OUAT became a shitshow of inexcusably bad writing. We know it became horrifying and stupid. However, most of us didn’t actually remain in this fandom because we agreed with the writing on the show. We latched onto it so strongly because of its amazing main cast. We latched on to it so deeply because it showed us how to not completely fuck up amazing, relatable, and compelling individual characters, their relationships, and their storylines with biased, hypocritical, ableist, classist, homophobic, racist, sexist, petty, cheaply shocking, gross, wildly ooc, flanderdized, melodramatic, pandering, repetitive, and nonsensical lazy plot-driven writing. Granted, these problems were starting to show up in canon OUAT’s writing as early on as S1. However, after 3A, the show’s writing completely went off the rails for everyone in the remaining main cast that lasted past S3, and these characters and their relationships never fully recovered what made them at all coherent, compelling, magical, relatable, and enjoyable to watch and get invested in in canon from S1-S3, in spite of their obvious flaws.

Most of us have remained in the OUAT fandom because the show’s shitty writing choices and wasted potential inspired most of us to tell far better stories than Kitsowitz and their team of hacks ultimately did.