#Alcibiades

[whitecat2049]

thinking about today's dream, where we were doing The Symposium as a play at school and they immediately casted me as Alkibiades

[kebriones]

*tosses you a little treat*

quick sketch before I go back to work.

[catoswound]

lol. alcibiades voice joining the war on sparta on the side of. haha well

[blueberry-ink-93]

i might just go insane

i *need* to know everything ever about their marriage was it toxic did they love each other was it only a marriage of chance/ convenience or did they find solace in one another or even grief was it one sided unrequited love met with disinterest from the start or did he lose interest with time was it all of the above or none i- *explodes*

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fr tho im reading plutarch's alcibiades (internet archive classics my beloved) and the would be meet cute is hysterical to me idk why. was it love at first sight (and who could resist such ethereal beauty?) or was there any sort of doubt or disdain for his ways? and if so did she fall for him despite herself or was she willing to let all notions leave her in favour of devotion to her husband? did she care at all? did any of it matter when she was the wife of the most beautiful man ever?

"Hipparete was a virtuous and dutiful wife, but, at last, growing impatient of the outrages done to her by her husband's continual entertaining of courtesans, as well strangers as Athenians, she departed from him and retired to her brother's house. Alcibiades seemed not at all concerned at this, and lived on still in the same luxury; but the law requiring that she should deliver to the archon in person, and not by proxy, the instrument by which she claimed a divorce, when, in obedience to the law, she presented herself before him to perform this, Alcibiades came in, caught her up, and carried her home through the market-place, no one daring to oppose him nor to take her from him. She continued with him till her death, which happened not long after, when Alcibiades had gone to Ephesus. Nor is this violence to be thought so very enormous or unmanly. For the law, in making her who desires to be divorced appear in public, seems to design to give her husband an opportunity of treating with her, and endeavouring to retain her."

so many feelings here. she loved him but how much of it was love for what was and not what she saw or chose to see? (i mean to say was it love or infatuation on her part). im well aware women had little if any choice and say in the matter and that they had pretty strict societally ordained frameworks to fit in, but like. them. what were they like.

did he see her as his wife (beyond property) and care for her to any degree or was it his image only that mattered? would a divorce lead to his name being potentially tarnished even in the slightest (ngl kind of doubt it would hes too pretty lol. but also misogyny. would anyone bat an eye?) did he fall out of love? was their any love to begin with?

did he at all abstain from seeking courtesans or did the marriage not get in the way of his previous life style? did he care that she was fed up and wanted to leave him (had anyone ever left him before?) and no longer worship the grounds he walked on (has that ever happened before?)

did he feel hurt? offended? did he care at all that a posession of his demanded freedom? was he upset? amused? did they talk about it? if he were to reconcile would she accept of her own will or be coerced? by him or herself regardless. did he humor her? did he laugh?

was there no further word on the matter when they reached their home? their bed? she was his until he saw fit, bound to him by marriage and maybe love still. was his choice to keep her born of ill will or affection? or even duty since she was the mother of their child. if the word held significance to him at all. was he a good and present father? i have no idea lol. assuming they had a kid i also dont know lol

*explodes again*

[bitchinnnn]

reading about Alcibiades again and the way this man SINGLE-HANDEDLY restarted the Peloponnesian War simply by being a shit starter is actually so iconic

[hellokittysasuke]

https://www.thecollector.com/alcibiades-general-and-lover/

😃??? 😃😃

[beluosus]

[aca-sonia]

[girlcatilina]

alcibiades

[shortace]

Just on a whim, because I know that Alcibiades is one of the weirdest and funniest characters in ancient Greek history, I asked ChatGPT "What's the weirdest thing Alcibiades ever did?"

ChatGPT came back with the details of something Alcibiades (henceforth referred to as 'Alci' so I don't have to keep typing it out) was accused of, but acquitted of.

When I pointed out that he had been acquitted and may not have actually done this thing, Chat GPT apologised and said, "yes, he was acquitted", and then went on to tell me that, nonetheless, the event was significant because it made Alci flee the city.

Alci did not flee the city, he was sent away on a military expedition, which was exactly what he'd wanted and asked for. When I pointed that out, ChatGPT apologised again for being wrong.

I asked again for weird things he might actually have done, and was told one version of a story I've heard before about how Alci stole some stuff from a friend. ChatGPT's version was different from what I'd heard, though, so I mentioned that, and only then did ChatGPT acknowledge that there were different versions of the story. As part of its apology and correction, ChatGPT said that it did not always have access to all information - but then proceeded to provide details of the version of the story I'd heard before, showing that it did, in fact, have access to that information.

I asked again, what is the weirdest thing Alcibiades ever did? ChatGPT gave me an answer, which was a story I'd never heard before, so I asked for a source. ChatGPT told me it was in Plutarch's Lives, and I presumed it was in his Life of Alcibiades, so that's where I looked. When I said I couldn't find it there, ChatGPT told me, sorry for not being specific, it was actually in Plutarch's Life of Nicias. So I went and read Plutarch's Life of Nicias and couldn't find it.

So I told ChatGPT that I couldn't find the story in that book, could it please be more specific? What I was hoping for was a chapter or page number or something, I just presumed I'd missed it.

ChatGPT came back with "no, actually it's not in that book, it may be a later invention, there is no concrete evidence for this story."

TL;DR: ChatGPT cannot be trusted. Even when it does give you a source, it can be wrong. It has no capacity to evaluate the accuracy or likely accuracy of the information it gives you. It will present you with wrong or debatable information and give you absolutely no indication that it may not be correct, or that other versions or interpretations are possible.

[thoodleoo]

the rest of us can only hope to be so accomplished someday

[sporadicallyanenthusiast]

OH MY GOD, IT'S OUR WIFE

He's pouting because my dowry for him isn't as high as he wanted it to be 😔

greetings it is 1am and i cant stop staring at ur alcibiades hes so pretty, devastatingly so, and i dont know how to feel about it. adore his dangly earrings and floof soso much ur art is always beautiful and the lines are always crisp and clean yet so soft and perfect i love it all. dont get me started on the anatomy and rendering hoo boi XD

anyway yeah sorry for the spam lol hope u have a nice day/ night/ secret third thing :]

RAAAHHHH THANK YOU SO MUCH! I am really glad you're enjoying my Alcibiades, I draw him as much for me as I do ✨for the people ✨ . Also for propaganda reasons, little by little we can make him famous enough so that more people will draw him and write fanfic. It's all part of my plan.

Have a nice [time of day] too!!

[nateconnolly]

Alcibiades, you absolutely don't have time to mope about not being in old man yaoi. The heads of the gods have been fucking mutilated.

[dearlavenderbear]

Alcibiades 🍷

[slettlune]

wait so the dryden translation of plutarch says that in sparta, alcibiades was seen

wearing his hair close cut, bathing in cold water, eating coarse meal, and dining on black broth

while the perrin translation says he was

with his hair untrimmed, taking cold baths, on terms of intimacy with their coarse bread, and supping on black porridge

were people shocked that he cut his hair or that he didn't cut his hair??? i need to know

[soc-star-mass]

Taking care of Al