#ALSO I don’t think the divorce storyline is necessarily related to them but if it is I could see this

[americangirlstar]

Now that both Courtney books are out and I’ve read and processed them both, I do want to say that I think they’re the least well-written of any of the AG books, but not through any fault of their own- let me explain.

(Note that for this discussion I’m ignoring the Doylist criticisms- Courtney and 3/4 of her friend group being white again, the lack of gay discussion in-text in regards to the HIV crisis, etc. These are valid complaints and concerns, but not what we’re talking about right now.)

The Problem with the Current Book Length

I think the main problem with Courtney stems from the fact her books are so short. American Girl has literally been doing the stupidest things in regards to their books lately, almost as if they’re trying to sabotage them on purpose. First they remove illustrations in 2015- when their target audience is about nine years old. I don’t know about you, but when I was six and getting into American Girl, the illustrations were the highlight for me. Not because I had no attention span and loved pretty pictures, but because it showed me firstly what the girl’s life was like, whether it be 1760s wilderness or 2001 Chicago. It was like stepping into their world, really helping you get into their heads, which was basically what the dolls were supposed to do, to let you know that girls like you exist throughout time and space.

As well as that, the illustrations were free advertisement. I can’t tell you how excited me and my sisters were as children to go to the American Girl place and look at the doll displays, shouting that that’s the dress Felicity wears to the ball! or look, Josefina’s goat looks exactly like the book! AG cut that from 2015 to 2020, as if they were trying to appeal to an older audience- while at the same time changing all the doll outfits, accessories and marketing to appeal to a younger demographic.

Now, this isn’t about the illustrations, as Courtney got those- it’s about what they did to the historical characters after the Illustration Outrage™ happened. See, they’d condensed the historical six-book format into two books- not necessarily a bad idea, parents would be more likely to buy two books for their kid than consider buying six. However, they then claimed that if they put illustrations back, they would have to abridge the books- literally my nightmare.

First of all, American Girl, we know for a fact you can fit all six books plus illustrations into ONE VOLUME, let alone two. You’re just being cowards here and trying to nerf your own stories for... some reason.

So that meant a lot of important things got cut- Rebecca’s Chanukah story, Melody’s cousin’s house search, Maryellen’s Christmas adventure... all things important to the girls’ histories and character.

The Problem with Courtney’s Writing

Now, Courtney was the first doll to be released after the abridging began, meaning her books were released, in their entirety, just as short as the abridged stories. So it basically means she gets four books while the others get six- and unlike the others, Courtney doesn’t even have mysteries or short stories to pad out. (And honestly, looking at her book’s amount of content, I’d even argue that she basically got two while everyone else got six, but I digress.)

The problem with her books isn’t that they have an author writing them poorly (I really feel like her author was doing the best with what limited time she had), but in how cramped American Girl made them. Because, well, Courtney has to deal with a lot in such a short amount of words.

Let’s compare her to Julie, for instance- Julie pretty much has a new 70s thing every book. In order: feminism, rising divorce rates, San Francisco’s Chinese culture, environmentalism, the country’s bicentennial, anti-bullying and deaf acceptance. And adding to this, we also have her own personal journies through her parents’ divorce and move, her basketball team, her friendship with Ivy (and later Joy), overcoming her fear of horses, student council, detention... It’s a lot, and yet her books don’t feel rushed or forced at all. It’s just a year in the life of a girl going through a lot of new and sudden events, and how she grows and changes throughout them. She may not be as deep a character as Addy or Kirsten, but not every girl goes through the trials and tribulations they do, and it’s a good series overall.

Courtney, meanwhile, does feel rushed and forced, because of the short timespan. Instead of fitting everything into a six-book format- or even at two-book format that is the same length and content as the six-book- everything has to be fit into two short books.   Everything Courtney has to cover includes the topics of divorce and stepfamilies, feminist and technological advancement, the Challenger explosion, the HIV crisis, Hands Across America, and the founding of Pleasant Company. And in Courtney’s own journey, she has to cover her learning to stand up for herself, her relationship with her stepsister and Tina’s own character development, her mother running for mayor and how that affects her, how much she misses her Dad after he moves, her friendship with Sarah (note on that later), her basically getting hate-crimed after standing up for her friend... that’s a LOT of stuff, and I didn’t even include the non-AG 80s product placement they shove into her collection.

But without the longer format, everything is pushed together to its detriment. Tina’s development and Maureen’s mayoral candidacy are two plotlines that are literally dropped and almost completely ignored in the second book. The Challenger and HIV issues were handled decently, but the Challenger only lasted a few short chapters, and the HIV topic was not as informative as it could be, leaving out several things like Reagan’s refusal to treat it for so long, and its effect on the gay community. Honestly, the HIV scare was more shifted to focus on the mob mentality of a new and scary disease- which, while needed right now, also ignores many of the bigotry-related reasons it became an epidemic. Pleasant Company’s inclusion feels forced in, and I think was the only resolution she had to her Dad plotline?

And don’t get me started on the Sarah plotline- every Girl of the Year since Kanani- sans Isabelle and Luci- has had the story of “oh no I’ve been ignoring my friend and now they’re mad at me :(” and it’s SO old. Seriously, I counted the contemporary dolls that have had that storyline, and it’s thirteen*. Thirteen times we’ve covered this issue- almost all of it in quick succession- and now we have to deal with it in a historical character book while much more important things are going on! Yes, it sucks when a friend ditches you while you’re being attacked and bullied for something you’re standing up for, but once again, with how much is happening in such a short book, it just feels like a forced-in plotline that we’ve seen a billion times, and with their falling-out happening mainly due to the attention Courtney was given Isaac, it serves to make Sarah seem closed-minded at best and bigoted at worst- it’s clarified that she’s not, she’s just scared and upset with Courtney, but when you put those events so close together, it leads the reader to lump them together and get the impression that, you know, Sarah is a worse person than she is.

*Full count: Nicki (book 2), Chrissa (book 2), Kanani (2), McKenna (1 iirc?), Saige (both books), Grace (2), Lea (3), Gabriela (1 and 3), Tenney (2), Z (1), Blaire (1), Joss (1) and Kira (1).

It’s a bit weird, too, that Courtney’s... what’s the word? Vibe? with her how her story is written and marketed Is closer to the Contemporaries than the Historicals. Am I the only one feeling this? My best explanation for it is that the author, Kellen Hertz, had only written contemporary books for American Girl before- the third Lea Clark book and all four Tenney Grant books, both of which contained the Friendship Issues™ plot. I’m not at all saying she’s a bad author- I honestly love the way the Tenney books are written- and I’m not saying she couldn’t write a historical book, but it’s clear American Girl didn’t ask her to change up her style or content from what she’d done for them before, as well as giving her way too much to cover in such short books.

Conclusion

Honestly, this conclusion should be obvious- American Girl needs to expand their books again. Whether they simply allow the books to be unabridged, or go back to the six-book format, Courtney's books are too cramped to tell an effective story, let alone the poor abridged girls.

The other girls were given six-book length, so if they went back to that length or format, Courtney would have to be rewritten, at least a little- and that’s okay! There’s a lot of things that could use expansion or connection, such as her Summer trip with her Dad that was given basically one sentence in the text. Her growth with her stepfamily could be acknowledged- and honestly? I think that if these books were expanded, her mother’s mayoral arc should either continue through the books, or Maureen should become mayor before the book 2 arc. I’ve mentioned this before, but having Maureen as mayor (or even still a candidate) would put a lot of pressure on Courtney to be perfect so that nobody can say “look at how awful this woman is for doing politics instead of raising her family right”- which means that when the Isaac stuff happens, it has even more stakes for Courtney and her family. Does her Mom still support her with her own reputation on the line, and what does that say about Maureen’s character, how does it affect Courtney and the D’Amicos... that’s all fascinating stuff that was completely missed out on.

And if she was turned into a six-book format- honestly, here’s how I’d do it, just off the top of my head. It would involve a bit of event shuffling, but honestly I think it would work!

Meet Courtney - pretty much the setup for everything happening, her starting to get her Crystal Starshooter plans and her mom’s campaign beginning.

Courtney Learns a Lesson - her relationship to Tina, culminating in the Challenger incident.

Courtney’s Surprise - we move the founding of Pleasant Company over here, since Molly’s basically her Christmas Present. We’ll probably need an additional plotline- maybe similar to Julie, she can have a story on spending the holidays in different places.

Happy Birthday Courtney - end of summer, aka meeting Isaac and her trip with her Dad.

Courtney Saves the Day - Beginning of the HIV arc, ending at her presentation to her class.

Changes for Courtney - Continuation of the HIV arc as things get worse for her and Isaac, ending where Friendship Superhero ends.

Is that a perfect sorting? Probably not, I came up with it in ten minutes. But would it give Courtney space to breathe and more time to explore everything happening to her? Probably!

The tl;dr of this is honestly that American Girl are absolute cowards right now, and need to expand their books back. Their abridging is only harming their stories- which, as Courtney herself points out, are the reason girls got into their company in the first place.

[dastardlydandelion]

big ol’ borderline stream of consciousness ramble abt the karate soap opera

for awhile i couldn’t quite put my finger on what it was that *rly* bothered me abt ck s4 and now by george, i think i’ve got it. ck s4 is the show i had expected cobra kai to be when i first came across it: flashy nostalgia bait centering style over substance.

and there’s not necessarily anything wrong with that. i think errbody has their own brand of preferred schlock, whether that be cheesy romcoms, goofy b-horror, slapstick comedy, etc. but the thing abt cobra kai is that it began (imo, anyway) better than it had to be to get an audience and now it’s...not.

more rambling under the cut:

i don’t want to be all negative. actually it’s kinda hard to reconcile my mixed feelings abt s4 bc like, the things that i did like?? i REALLY liked! and i’m gonna lead with what i liked rn so i don’t sound like some stabby crabby cranky pants. 🦀🔪

i greatly enjoyed the subplot with amanda and tory. i am so relieved the show finally acknowledged just how much strain tory is under being a teenage girl with head of household responsibilities struggling against poverty in one of the most expensive places to live in the usa. i love that amanda had this huge change of heart when she realized just how much tory was dealing with, that she went from wanting to put her in jail to offering her hand.

i actually thought it was well-written too. amanda doesn’t let tory off the hook for breaking into her house and terrorizing her daughter, she still calls her out on that, but she also realizes the depth of the factors motivating that behavior. she realizes outright charity (buying tory the groceries) is NOT the way to go with tory, so she changes tactics. amanda tells tory the help is there if she needs it, offering her support but putting the ball in tory’s court. this is good for tory, it respects her agency (she clearly has a lot of pride, pained pride tho it is, wrapped up in her status as provider/caregiver) and also challenges her, in a way, to have to be the one responsible for her choice to reach out.

i appreciated amanda having smth to do outside of being daniel’s wife or sam’s mom. i liked the insight into the backstory that she shared with daniel, that she relates to tory’s very helpless kind of anger bc she too lashed out when she was young and angry to no avail. amanda smashing up her tutor’s car didn’t change the outcome with of her parents’ divorce. tory can hurt sam all she wants, and it won’t make her circumstances any less unfair. 

ik there were some complaints that this storyline was more tellling-than-showing but on this point, i’m personally satisfied. i’m fine with having amanda encourage tory to get therapy but not actually seeing tory in the therapist’s office bc imho, the impact was shown. we see tory change as a character. she becomes determined to win the avt to prove she can rather than any desire to maim someone, and she genuinely wanted to win it fairly. the tory of s2 and s3 wouldn’t have hesitated to elbow sam in the face on purpose, and she definitely wouldn’t have cared abt sam's welfare after the match.

on that note, i actually liked the way tory and sam’s rivalry was depicted, for the most part? ngl i’m not a big fan that the tory/robby romance actually happened. i can admit i’m biased on that point bc i don’t particularly care for romance in general and i’m irritated that for female characters in media specifically it feels like there always *has* to be an obligatory hetero romance, that male writers don’t know what to do with female characters if they aren’t prioritizing males or being with males, this idea that girls and women are supposed to care abt romance, that romance *must* be important for them, that their stories *must* include it, etc...but then it also, just. for me it feels cheap to keep pairing tory off with sam’s exes. as if that’s somehow necessary to stoke the coals between them. 🙄

but having said that, the tory/robby thing wasn’t nearly as obnoxious as i expected it to be. it wasn’t rushed. it wasn’t the driving force behind sam and tory’s tension. tory wasn’t reduced to arm candy in this scenario, like i worried she was going to be, she still had a story and development outside of him.

i’ve seen some ppl unhappy with sam’s behavior toward tory this season and declaring it ooc but tbh i understand it. does that make it okay? fuck no. but does it make sense for sam? uh, yeah?

tory left scars in her arm. the s3 finale had tory not only breaking into her home but attacking sam when she was on the floor, non-combative, visibly terrified. sam’s never tried to understand tory as a person so she just views her as this raging obstacle she needs to overcome. sam doesn’t truly understand that tory is in pain so she doesn’t have any sympathy for her. because of her privilege, sam doesn’t understand why tory NEEDS her job. sam doesn’t comprehend the potential consequences of tory losing her job, therefore she has no issue instigating conflict with her while she’s on the clock. from sam’s pov, tory is hardly a person, just this horrible thing that happened to her, so she has no problem treating her like that-- just some horrible thing. and as awful as that all is, it makes sense for sam!!

i don’t hate her for it, while i don’t approve of her behavior, i 100% understand where it’s coming from. sam hates tory and johnny’s influence-- with his encouraging sam’s aggression this season --emboldened her to strike first. and i actually enjoyed the way the final fight went between sam and tory. 

sam was genuinely shocked (and from her pov, ofc she was) that tory asked if she was okay after the match. i’m hoping this might lead to them mending fences come s5, altho i don’t ever expect them to be besties.

uh...am i getting off topic? where was i?

oh, the parts that i liked. yeah! yeah, actually, i was happily surprised by the route tory and sam’s rivalry went this season and while i wasn’t thrilled with the tory/robby romance, i was relieved it didn’t drive that rivalry or eclipse tory as a character.

i wish i could say i liked sam’s solo development as much as tory’s, bc i did like the beats of it. on paper i could enjoy that sam’s development was a rocky one with some of her being a big jerk as she learns (under johnny’s tutelage) to nourish her aggression and eventually comes to the conclusion that she doesn’t have to fight exactly the way her dad does, but. the execution of that development left much to be desired bc of some of this season’s more obnoxious flaws, but right now i’m rambling abt what i did like, so that brings us to...

kenny payne!!!

omfg, i love him sm. he instantly became one of my faves. i would kill anthony larusso for this precious dorky sunbeam. ik some ppl were frustrated with the introduction of new characters this season and the focus it took away from the main characters. and that’s fair. but imo the subplot with kenny suited the overreaching themes of ck. and he’s so much fun as a character. i love that he’s shawn’s brother! i love that we got to see shawn again even tho it was only for like, ten seconds. robby also going into big brother mode for kenny was so cute? 

as a horror fan, i freaking loved that kenny went into g-rated slasher mode in that library. strategically separating his bullies and taking them down one by one by utilizing his environment and popping outta the shadows?? that was so fun.

i adore kenny, that was great, my second fave storyline after the amanda + tory storyline.

what other storylines did i like?

um, ykw, i actually appreciated miguel’s. i think i’m in the minority on that one, at least as far as the engaged fandom goes. but i did. i liked watching him expand his skillset training with daniel. i felt his and daniel’s bonding was sweet and genuine. i’m not hugely surprised johnny began to let him down, nor what that accumulated in. xolo’s a phenomenal actor, i think scenes that easily could’ve been stupid (the fish scene comes to mind) or sappy (episode 8 comes to mind) never actually crossed that line bc the guy gives such a good performance.

i actually thought miggy’s struggles, while quieter and less dynamic than the karate war, were thoughtfully depicted and some of the better writing this season. he feels awkward having dinner with his gf’s rich family, at their fancy encino place. he doesn’t come from money and doesn’t have the security of college guaranteed the way she does. he loves johnny and he wants his mom to be happy so he doesn’t outright object to them dating even though he’s dubious abt the changes this will undoubtedly introduce into his life. he’s still grappling in the aftermath of a serious injury and while it’s not addressed as much as it should be, granted, we do see it impacting his behavior.

miguel tricking cobra kai into going to the baseball diamond to get sprayed with sprinklers in lieu of having a brawl, wasn’t just prompted by his taking daniel’s teachings to heart. it’s also bc he’s intimately aware of how bad a fight can get when there are no mats to fall on, no ref there to step in. more than anyone, miguel understands that all it takes is *one* poorly timed kick to result in grave consequences.

ik there’s much disappointment surrounding miggy choosing to opt out of the avt and even more ppl rolling their eyes at his sudden soapy departure to find his long lost dad but tbvh, i don’t think it’s bad storytelling in context. i think he made the right choice for himself opting out the fight, prioritizing his health despite the pressure johnny was putting on him to get back in there. i think miguel realized he was being used, it made him feel like shit, and he said, ‘no, not today.’ taking off outta the country to go find his dad is defo a soap opera move but rly, errything he wrote in his letter makes sense and a dramatic exit is hardly the wildest thing that’s ever happened on ck...

is there anything else that i liked??

ik i’m getting kinda off topic bc i started this with the realization of what it was that bothered me so much abt s4, but like i said, i didn’t want to be totally negative. bc there were defo things i enjoyed abt s4 and i didn’t hate it...but ig i’ve said all the positive things i had to say, so. 😔

let’s get my first big disappointment outta the way. and a lot of this is more subjective on my part (albeit, i’ll work my way to the more objective stuff), but. here we are.

MARKETING TEAM OVER-HYPED TF OUTTA TERRY SILVER.

i waited months for this psychotic, cartoonishly evil motherfucker and that was all i got??

ahjgsajhgfjhgfhjgf. the trailer! they released that dramatic af trailer where terry just stands there, back to the screen, with his monologue from tkk3 playing as he menacingly cracks his neck. at the end of the trailer, the threat right there in the font boasts, “now the real pain begins.”

what a fucking crock!!! you assholes!! false advertisement! false advertisement i say, false advertisement, there was no pain for anyone but stingray and it didn’t even happen until the end of the season!

okay, okay, this is defo more subjective on my part but u guys see where i’m at, right? the team leaned so hard into marketing terry’s return but come s4 he didn’t rly do all that much until the end. it was a letdown.

but there were things that bothered me abt terry’s return, not just as a viewer let down by my own personal expectations, but from a writing standpoint.

uh. mm. they’re. they’re doing the kreese redemption arc. jfc, they’re rly gonna do it. they’re setting it up. the most they used terry this season was to help set it up. 🤢

i am not the first person to point this out. there are plenty of fans who have already pointed this out. there are plenty of fans who have already eloquently and thoroughly delved into why 1) a kreese redemption arc is not a great idea to begin with and 2) the how and now of it makes it worse. so i’m not going to rant a whole lot abt it, but i will summarize some of my thoughts on it.

personally? i think it’s a betrayal to the karate kid franchise to have a redemption arc for kreese at all. i didn’t mind s2 fleshing out a bit more of his personality since he was so one-dimensional in the karate kid movies. and i didn’t even mind making him a tad sympathetic bc even pos ppl can fall on hard times and it’s human nature to empathize, but. i think it’s important that kreese was the character that he was: a militant, merciless, manipulative macho-man bully who molded students to create violent conflict bc that’s what he knew and what he liked. he was supposed to be that foil to mr. miyagi, a protective, kind, nurturing handyman who kept his medals hidden and stowed away bc war was the worst part of his life. 

the means in which they’re setting up the redemption arc for kreese that shouldn’t be happening are nonsensical and just plain repetitive. in order to set up that redemption, not only have we effectively retconned who kreese was supposed to be in the movies, but we’ve retconned the dynamics of his and terry’s relationship. not once in tkk3 did kreese ever hold vietnam over terry’s head. terry was the one who invited him in, terry was the one who brought up kreese saving him in the war, and bringing it up didn’t bother terry a bit.

i don’t rly mind that in ck s4 we get the reveal that terry was all coked up throughout tkk3. i mean. it was the 80s. and it would defo explain his, uh, energy, lmao. no, the part that i mind is that, like...ck is trying to pin all of terry’s insane behavior on the cocaine. bruh. no. i’m sorry, but no, lmfao. plenty of ppl snort blow without dumping toxic waste in borneo and strategically preying upon teenage boys to force them into karate tournaments.

...tkk3 sure was a trip, huh?

uh, shit, am i getting off track again? no, no, i got it. okay, so in s2 kreese is the big bad behind cobra kai. johnny is misguided and flawed, but well-intentioned, and kreese keeps encouraging increasingly aggressive and violent behavior in the cobra kai kids. johnny is weak for kreese bc at the end of the day, he loves him, and there are the lingering power dynamics between them, johnny having spent his formative yrs as kreese’s pupil and looking up to kreese as a father figure as well as mentor. s2 ends in kreese stealing the dojo out from under johnny.

in s4, terry re-joins cobra kai. he is shown being the big bad behind kreese, who is bad but not as good at it as terry, psychologically intimidating daniel in one of the few scenes we get where their dynamic is explicitly acknowledged, nearly attacking a bratty robby at the avt, bribing the ref at the avt, and beating a guy half to death. s4 ends in terry stealing the dojo out from under kreese.

it’s the same story!! literally. this happened before. what should i expect in the s5 finale, mike barnes to come back to be the bigger bad behind terry and steal the dojo from terry? is that gonna be the s5 finale?

and speaking of finales, the gravity of the s3 finale is never grappled with in s4 and that is just terrible writing, honestly. kreese tried to KILL johnny. like, he srsly tried to KILL him and we aren’t talking abt that, bc???

uh? idfk! that was pretty important, u figure we would’ve addressed that and yet, no??

it is beyond me that it was just swept under the rug so casually. attempted murder is serious? u shouldn’t bring something like that into ur story if ur not willing to write the ramifications. why was that even in the s3 if it was smth that was never going to be brought up again, let alone dealt with? it makes kreese’s poorly set up redemption arc which shouldn’t be happening feel like an afterthought as well as a betrayal of the source material. like, kreese almost killing johnny in the s3 finale was smth they’re trying to walk back for the purpose of setting the foundation for this redemption no one wanted. 

speaking of johnny, why is he getting stupider? ik he was always kinda dumb, but jfc. is it the accumulation of concussions or smth??

or it’s not just johnny, ig, it’s like, this season felt so extrodinarily stupid in so many ways?

i’m not gonna pretend this show was ever an intellectual masterpiece, but good lord. this season they’re actually acting like cobra kai/eagle fang students and miyagi-do students only learn offense and defensive respectively? we’re pretending that johnny doesn’t know how to block and daniel never taught strikes??

that was so fucking stupid, watching it felt like getting my own concussion. once again, other fans have already pointed this out and delved into it more thoroughly than i will now. but i’m going to touch on it anyway because this was such a low point in the show that i simply cannot revisit s4 without addressing it.

KARATE IS KARATE. and yeah, for sure, there are different ways to approach a match utilizing offense/defense, more aggressive and less aggressive styles, but. it’s not like one dojo exclusively practiced offensive moves and the other exclusively practiced defense. for fuck’s sake, the very first thing daniel ever taught robby was how to throw a proper punch!!

speaking of daniel and robby, what happened to that relationship? it practically dissolved into thin air and that’s disappointing, to say the least. daniel used to care abt this kid so much he trained him, took him in, paid for his mother’s rehab, teamed up with someone he loathed to find him when he went on the run, but this season, he didn’t even try for him? daniel had exactly one meaningful interaction with robby where he warned him abt terry and that was it?

idk. it feels wrong to me. actually, i’m frustrated that ck just breezed over errything that transpired in tkk3. daniel was stalked, manipulated, and terrorized by terry for months. his relationship with mr. miyagi suffered for it and he became someone he didn’t want to be, and that’s important bc all of it informs how he responds to terry. and yet. viewers who have only seen ck are never privy to that context, bc besides the *brief* conversation with robby, none of that is ever addressed at all. ur audience should understand the motivations of ur main characters. by failing to address any of this, it sucks the context out of daniel’s behavior.

and i’m all the more frustrated having read some of the writers’ commentary abt the one scene where terry was “apologizing,” to daniel bc, uh. according to these asshats writers daniel’s refusal to accept this half-baked apology from terry is somehow a mistake on his part, yet also the the trigger for terry’s intensified hostility. i’m not even joking, they’re framing daniel as being at fault for not accepting this “apology” even tho it rly wasn’t an earnest apology IF it set terry off. which they also said in the same breath. i’m??

that’s. that’s fucked up. i don’t know else to put it.

what’s also fucked up is that yes, according to the writers, daniel scaring anthony into submission was meant to be portrayed as a good thing. it was meant to portray daniel accepting johnny’s aggressive approach to problems as a good thing. daniel silencing his son and breaking his ipad to scare him into obedience is supposed to be appreciated by us viewers. 

this is not only a frightening, but frankly baffling choice to me. portraying a parent achieving the desired outcome thru violent behavior (breaking things is violence, breaking things is a coercive tactic meant to intimidate and instill fear, always) is bad enough, but for this to be a scene meant to demonstrate daniel embracing johnny’s approach? in the context of parenting??

WTAF. BBY!ROBBY ONLY KNEW JOHNNY EXISTED BC OF A FUCKING VHS TAPE. JOHNNY IS THE FURTHEST THING FROM A GOOD PARENT.

the more i think abt it, the more this scene bothers me. it’s nonsensical bc johnny is a shit parent and daniel should not be modeling his behavior when it comes to fatherhood. and that we’re meant to take away satisfaction from this scene-- from a parent intimidating their child into obedience thru a display of violence --makes me so uncomfortable. and that it’s daniel?? well this just...is it dramatic to say it breaks my heart?

because it kind of does. 😢

cobra kai has steadily been erasing daniel’s gentleness or outright mocking it and i hate it so much. in season 3, they chose to cut out the scenes of daniel worrying abt robby and daniel dancing with kumiko. they’re good scenes! they’re important scenes! how could they cut that?

daniel was a beloved character in the karate kid bc of his gentleness. bc he gave an old dog a bowl of water in the summer heat. bc he was sweet to ali and covered his bruises just to spare his mother stress. bc he tended to bonsai trees and put his drunken sensei to bed on a bad night, gingerly tucked him in.

even in earlier seasons of ck where he’s defo grown up to be smth of a prick and a class traitor, daniel’s gentleness is why viewers sympathized with him in spite of it. he took a troubled kid under his wing with sensitivity and good humor, imparted the most important lessons he himself was ever taught. didn’t push robby to finish in the 2018 avt when he was injured (like johnny just did to miggy), told robby it was okay to bow out, encouraged him to let go of his anger toward johnny. we had flashbacks of daniel and bby!sam, so excited to share his karate with her, hugging her with enthusiasm and love. daniel comforting sam when she begins having panic attacks, daniel learning to have patience with demetri thru his relentless neuroticism, and now??

now daniel’s tenderness is mocked like it’s a weakness not just by johnny, but by the narrative. so much so, the audience is actually meant to take away that the version of daniel who breaks his son’s things is superior??

i genuinely hate this. it leaves the worst taste in my mouth.

since i’ve covered the daniel of s4, ig it’s only sensible that we talk abt johnny next. uh. ykw, ngl, i’ve never particularly cared for this character. he’s amusing, yeah, and his relationship with miguel was so genuinely heartfelt that i actually wanted to root for him even tho he makes it so hard. but it is hard. and the fact that the little character development he did have just up and vanished makes it that much harder??

like, it did vanish, right?? in s1 and s2 i feel like there was some tangible growth for johnny. even tho it was subtle, quiet, it was there. then in s3, he kinda stagnated?? he helped miguel along the road to recovery, that was good, but?? did we rly get any growth from him beyond that? nothing sticks out in my mind. but even a lil bit of stagnation wasn’t rly a dealbreaker for me with this character, that’s how it is irl most of the time. growth is slow. meaningful change most often takes time.

but in s4, it’s like we’re completely back to square one with johnny. dare i say he’s even worse? the misogyny (and borderline homophobia) was dripping from his fucking pores. i can’t believe episode 6 was smth i actually had to sit thru. i can’t believe i was supposed to find it funny. and he made no effort for robby whatsoever??

like, he knew robby was with kreese and daniel presumably told him who terry was (offscreen, so good luck ck-only fans who haven’t seen tkk3 tryna figure that one out) and he?? never checked on him? like at least in prior seasons he made a minimal effort here and there. it was never enough and it was aggravating that johnny continually had the audacity to act like his teenage son was in the wrong for not embracing him with open arms after yrs of neglect, but like!! at least he tried here and there. johnny wanted robby to move in with him at one point. he opened his door for robby when sam was drunk af and bought him some school supplies. in s4 his son is living with two war criminals (one of which tried to KILL him last season) and he does not shit abt it??

okay. then, like, the one thing that johnny has been doing a consistently good (or at least decent) job at-- his relationship with miguel --he just fucking flushed down the toilet. he made little missteps all thru s4, but the finale??

jfc. miguel got hurt and he cried out for johnny, spooked and in pain, and mere minutes later johnny’s putting the pressure on there to get back out and win? not just putting pressure on him, he tried to manipulate him. miguel sat there and dead ass listened to johnny try to pull a kreese on him. and all of this happened after miggy put his drunken ass to bed and told him he loved him just hear, “i love you too, robby.”

and this is where i go back to actually appreciating miguel’s arc this season. even if he had felt up to competing physically, i wouldn’t have wanted him to. not after that. good for miguel for prioritizing himself the moment he realized he was being used...but that’s wherein johnny’s development really just sped back in reverse, for me.

the one thing i could consistently appreciate abt this drunk, stupid asshole of a character was how much he cared abt miguel and how much he tried to learn from his mistakes for miguel’s sake. and then he tried to use him. he actually put the stupid karate war above miguel’s welfare.

and all of that? all of the above, johnny’s backtracking? i could’ve dealt with it if the narrative didn’t reward him for it. sometimes character development is negative instead of positive. that’s not necessarily bad storytelling. but what i feel is bad storytelling is when the character development is negative and the character in question is rewarded as if it had been positive. we’re not supposed to find johnny’s misogyny and obsession with hypermasculinity off-putting, no, we’re supposed to be amused by it. sam isn’t offended, she tacitly consents, offering a smile. we aren’t supposed to find fault with johnny for being a negligent father all season, oh no, bc robby shows up at the end to tearfully embrace him anyway!

btw, this is smth else the writers had stupid shit to say abt. bruh, they did some interview or whatevs (i don’t feel like digging up the links right now, bc i’m just venting, but maybe i’ll go pull ‘em up later) where they more or less put the onus of mending that relationship on robby. some nonsense abt his being able to empathize with the trials of mentoring bc of kenny and understanding johnny better now. bc that makes sense, right?? it’s the teenager’s job to go comfort his father bc he understands that mentoring kids is hard. ajhsgfjhgfjshdgfjs. christ. 

okay, so that brings us to robby...robby...what do i have to say abt robby?

anything else positive before i’m ranting like a stab crab?? already touched on him playing big bro for kenny, that was cute. oh, uh, ykw, i actually liked the fight with hawk! for the most part, anyway.

for starters, i liked that it was robby vs hawk, the elusive rematch pushed to the backburner for the most part, in the face of more overt rivalries. robby and his “dO yOu WaNt tO fIgHt HiM?” snark at terry when the match started to drag out, oof. terry’s brief moment of homicidal rage might’ve been his best moment all season (second to him kicking the shit outta johnny). so that confirmed what i’ve suspected since the kid picked up a cobra with his bare hands, robby rly does have no sense of self-preservation. 😂

i’m glad that hawk won!!! unlike a lot of fans, i didn’t rly mind hawk joining miyagi-do conceptually. i 100% believe the execution was poor, rushed, and left much to be desired, so it fell somewhat flat for me, but i don’t hate the idea of it. i wish it would’ve been better executed but i was still happy that he got his win. i just...don’t understand why they took their tops off. omfg, that was so silly. i did laugh. if they wanted me to take the fight seriously, bad job, but. it was funny, at least. nonetheless hawk’s win would’ve felt more satisfying if his arc wasn’t rushed and he wasn’t more or less pressured into miyagi-do by demetri.

bc that’s what happened. and that was shitty. ‘mi showed up at his house all like, “well we need a male champion and ur the only one with a shot, lol.” which is, um. that was a choice.

actually the more i linger on this, the more i’m thinking abt it, the more it’s bothering me? that could’ve been a rly good storyline, a rly solid arc for hawk if it was set up the right way. but it wasn’t. i find it dumb that daniel, of all ppl, who has been so staunchly anti-bullying barely bat an eye at what happened to him, so that rly puts a cloud over hawk joining miyagi-do for me, even tho on paper this could’ve been smth i could’ve rly dug.

uh, ig i ranted more abt hawk than i was gonna rant abt robby, not that i have too much to rant abt. the things i find fault with in his story weren’t rly bc of him, per se like my aforementioned beef abt johnny being narratively rewarded by their reunion when he did not shit all season. i personally don’t find it ooc that robby sought him out, like i’ve seen some fans express. i don’t think johnny earned that reunion at all, but robby is a teenage boy starved for attention, so. it still makes sense from his perspective to go follow his dad when he was feeling particularly low after the avt. if anything was ooc it could’ve been robby verbally throwing the school fight in miguel’s face even tho he’d clearly been disturbed by what he did, and was remorseful at the start of s3.

BUT kreese has been in his ear since then, so imo it's not wild to think he would’ve changed his mindset around the fight. that’s what kreese did with tory, too-- she was feeling guilty for starting the fight bc of how it ended but then kreese wormed his way in and gave her an out from the guilt, pushed her to redirect her blame and focus more on the unfairness of her punishment. i’m just gonna go ahead and assume he did the same with robby, he was already starting to when he visited robby in juvie. i can fill in the blanks on that one, so i don’t particularly consider it ooc even tho i understand where the sentiment comes from-- it is certainly a sharp turn from the stupefied look on robby’s face after miguel fell.

but on that note, there is smth else i have an issue with. the telling instead of showing with robby’s living situation. i wouldn’t have mined if it wasn’t important to the story, but it was, okay, like. he was living at the dojo. it was important that he was living at the dojo, bc it set the stage for him to join cobra kai and left him especially vulnerable to kreese’s manipulation. we, as an audience, should’ve been SHOWN what happened with shannon and robby’s new living situation.

that too, like?? when tf did shannon get out of rehab?? why weren’t we shown her reunion with her son? did she go looking for him at daniel’s place? did she ever learn he was more or less homeless, sleeping at the dojo?? is she actually prioritizing robby now that she’s been thru treatment? what’s his perspective on any of this? does he forgive her? are they building trust again? or is he just staying with her bc it’s better than sleeping at the dojo?

we’re told but NOT shown that terry is paying for shannon’s living expenses. how. when. why. terry always has an angle, how’d he hook shannon?

this is so frustrating bc it actually should’ve been important with the way the story had been set up, and yet, it felt like an afterthought. thrown together.

speaking of relationships gone unacknowledged, i’m. mm. okay how much more do i rly need to talk abt daniel and robby?? i already ranted abt that, but the seeming dissolution of the existence of that relationship makes robby’s scene with anthony at the avt bittersweet. this scene acknowledges that robby had a relationship with the larussos! it takes him aback to learn that anthony is kenny’s bully. he was concerned for both kenny and anthony, he wanted to talk to him. yes, good!! good, but it also makes me want to pull my hair out bc the rest of the season p much played out as if robby had never lived with the larussos at all. 

so here i am now gonna rant abt another scene that was so bittersweet and frustrating for me. sam’s scene with aisha. on the one hand i don’t hate that aisha gave sam a pep talk conceptually bc 1) they were childhood friends and 2) it paralleled sam giving aisha a pep talk at the 2018 avt. no, what i hate is that this talk completely forgot the existence of aisha and tory’s friendship and even worse than that, IT WAS THE ONLY THING AISHA WAS HERE FOR. 😡

that’s so shitty and maddening. and tbh it feels racist that the writers brought back a fan-favorite black character just to uplift her white friend. that was aisha’s only purpose for the three minutes we had her back, to give sam encouragement. it feels like an especially glaring flaw when opening up the girls’ division would’ve been a PERFECT opportunity to bring aisha back as a character!!

i’m still pissed off they wrote her out in the first place. the actress was told the writers couldn’t think of anything for aisha to do and that’s why she was written out, and i’m not over it, i’ll never be over it. i have no fucking clue how they came to that decision to begin with considering aisha was cobrai kai’s second student, but nonetheless, s4 presented a golden opportunity to rectify that stupid ass decision-- johnny wanting to find a female champion.

frankly, re-recruiting aisha for eagle-fang would’ve been better writing than johnny trying to recruit new girls who had no karate experience whatsoever. it also would’ve saved us the godawful secondhand embarrassment that was episode six. don’t get me wrong, i adore devon, but it’s just ridiculous that she was training for only six wks and able to compete against experienced, seasoned students in the avt.

and it’s not like ck has never been ridiculous, nor that it’s neccessarily bad when it’s ridiculous. but there’s a difference between fun ridiculousness and just plain stupid ridiculousness.

there was some just straight up stupid shit this season, and this is where i finally get to my point. johnny training kids by having them jump off buildings is very stylish. it’s flashy. it feels like insanity considering that miguel was left in a coma and literally had to re-learn to walk after being kicked two stories down. there was so much of that this season: style. the sheer badassery of robby taking down erry ck student without anyone (barring tory) able to land a single hit. the fight at the prom, synchronized couples kicking ass in fancy suits and pretty dresses. the opulant entrance of terry silver, ever a ham even if under-utilized to the nth. the avt, students showing off their skills in slow-mo, each one-on-one match like smth outta wwe payperview. daniel using the mystical pressure point technique in his rematch with johnny. that rematch was purely smth this season also had no shortage of: nostalgia. daniel and johnny on the mat once more. the flashbacks to the og movies. strong classic rock soundtrack. terry’s very entry into the story. chozen’s second return at mr. miyagi’s gravesite.

this season felt like it was just...full of that. fun stuff. and the fun stuff was fun, don’t get me wrong. but what i truly, wholeheartedly enjoyed abt cobra kai when i first started it??

that it was more than the fun stuff. that there was actually something meaty there, miguel being a parallel to daniel and robby being one to johnny, then the two of them swapping roles bc the sweet, even-tempered boy gets trained ‘STRIKE FIRST STRIKE HARD NO MERCY’ and the troubled truant gets trained ‘karate can help u achieve balance and inner peace, if ur going to fight, then fight honorably.’

there was smth more there, in the way johnny had to confront his past as a bully seeing miguel bloodied and broken and limp, the same way he’d once left daniel larusso. in the way johnny had to see the toxicity of kreese’s teachings play out at the avt, watching his son get massacred by cheap tactics and poor sportsmanship at the hands of his own students, getting swatted off by robby when he went to him bc good intentions aren’t enough anymore, not after 16 yrs.

then season two came along and it was just as good imho, there was character development, the relationship between johnny and kreese felt very realistic whilse remaining true to the og movies. daniel was trying way too hard to be mr. miyagi and it was annoying, but we understood why. my favorite character was introduced and ofc she would latch onto cobra kai’s teachings, the world has been nothing but merciless toward her, why wouldn’t she embrace the dojo that promises her she can be just as merciless?? that she can strike back, strike first?? altho the subtext of class relations between tory and sam wasn’t explored as thoroughly as it could’ve been, it was still compelling in the way it shaped their rivalry. there was much to read between the lines there.

the first two seasons felt more thematic. like we were actually consistently engaging with these things beneath the surface, that intergenational trauma errbody is so sick of hearing abt, the culture of bullying kids sturggle against, the potential for competitive violence to be taken too far, the trappings of hypermasculinity, the lifelong impact our mentors (good or bad) can have, etc. and it was still goof. hell, it was ridiculous. but it was ridiculous with these moments of brilliance and underlying depth. neither the nostalgia nor the style ever eclipsed the show.

s3 felt rly plot-driven. very dynamic finale. i had my issues with it, but. it still felt like a continuation of the first two seasons for the most part, still had underlying depth. there were tangible consquences from the s2 finale (stark contrast of how the s3 finale had no fallout or lasting consequences). robby on the run. miggy in a coma. tory on probation. sam with ptsd, also suffering ostracization from her peers bc she isn’t percieved as cool or tough like the boys in the brawl, she’s percieved as crazy. this season leaned a little too hard into the “three sides to every story,” angle for me. and ofc no season of any show is going to be flawless, but this bothered me particularly bc this is where it felt like the narrative truly began to push the idea that johnny and daniel were equally at fault for the events of the karate kid. uh. no, just no. daniel was ganged up on and assaulted several times. johnny targetted him just for talking to ali, ali who johnny also put in a scary lose-lose situation wherein her boundaries were violated and she was coerced into interacting with him bc otherwise, daniel’s safety was at stake. all actions on daniel’s part were retaliatory.

now here in s4, it seemed like the style/nostalgia/fun elements in cobra kai prioritized over *almost* errything that had previously been compelling (i maintain that the high points of s4 were indeed high points). cobra kai was always a stupid karate show, but at least it used to be a stupid karate show with strong heart. now it’s a stupid karate show with an arrythmia.

[sylvies-chen]

Just rewatching Chicago Fire and I feel like the only main character that the writers have managed to do a good job with displaying their pasts, background and families is Kelly Severide. Maybe because they relate all of his actions to his past and childhood??

I think Kelly has definitely had the most consistent past out of all of them, but I’d say they did a good job of covering some others too. Matt got his whole storyline with his mom, his dad’s murder, Christie and her divorce, etc. It wasn’t necessarily consistent because they just dropped all that stuff after a while and don’t really mention it (especially not now that he’s gone to Oregon) but it was all there and they delved into that a bit. They’ve had some stuff with Boden and his former step-son, and his own father. I think Kelly’s past has been the most thorough and consistent though because whereas you can kind of see why the other characters are the way they are without needing that backstory, you sort of need that with Severide to understand him or else people watching season 1 would just say “oh that guy’s a dick” and stop watching. He’s a good person almost in spite of his upbringing— and even though at the end when Benny died, they tried spinning this thing of like, trying to imply that Benny really was a good father after all, I don’t buy that really. He was flake, unreliable, a womanizer, and was really hard on Severide. So I think when the viewers see it as Kelly in season 1 repeating that cycle that he’s been taught about how to be a bit of a dick in the name of ambition and to be arrogant and fool around with a ton of women, I suppose it’s more palatable and nuanced because he didn’t know any other way. And we see him start to unlearn all of that and grow into a whole new character, which I don’t think has happened as drastically for any of the others. Matt’s kind of that guy who even though he has that traumatic past, he sort of cam into the show confident in who he is. Stella’s journey’s about leadership and embracing that, Gallo’s is about letting your weak spots make you stronger and not being such a wild child, there’s plenty more. But Severide’s the one who’s had the most development for sure, and that past is integral to it which is why they touched on it more.

I would like to have more about the backstories/pasts of the women on the show though. We barely get anything on them apart from a few brief comments that never get addressed. I know people have been screaming for quite some time begging the writers to talk more about Stella’s parents and that period where she fell into the wrong crowd, as well as to go into more depth on the comment Sylvie made about how her mom had a mental breakdown when she was a teen. Also, they’ve mentioned a big of backstory for Ritter like how he idolized his uncle and that’s why he became a firefighter, and how his uncle committed suicide, but I want them to talk about that more in depth. And Violet too! She doesn’t have a ton of backstory at all! There’s just so much potential and so much material to work with, it’s a well of opportunity that the writers really need to tap into.

[scarlet--wiccan]

I don’t think Wanda’s mutant status actually matters nearly as much as it should for Billy and Tommy especially, mutants are born with their powers (though usually dormant), Wanda and pietro (currently) got their powers from the HE but the twins were seemingly born mutants. Either she made them mutants subconsciously bc she believed she was, or they’re the mutant children of a mutate (like Franklin Richards). Not defending the retcon and DEFINITELY not defending the way Wanda’s been treated and how weird that makes Tommy’s relationship status but I don’t think non mutant Wanda necessarily means Billy and Tommy aren’t. They should clarify, where Tommy’s powers even come from if pietro got his from THE especially confused me, but usually powered kids of mutates have been considered mutants.

That being said it probably doesn’t matter bc Sc*rletVisi*n is probably going to make all of them mutants point blank so the comics will shift to accommodate that. Apparently Peter from the xmen is going to come in and bring mutants somehow which sounds horrible (and though ATJ still shouldn’t have been playing pietro as a white man he was at least semi recognizable as quicksilver from the comics and Jewish. I hate xmcu quicksilver A LOT more than mcu QS even though neither is good) and ridiculous but the leak has gotten a lot of crap right so far.

I’m assuming the plan is to retcon the retcon with this krakoa event but they’re waiting until the big tv reveal because unfortunately the movies/shows are their priority now. I think the only good think is that krakoa seems so far divorced from any status quo (mcu or otherwise) that making the maximoffs mutants (again) will have to be completely divorced from the mcu so there’s a chance the storyline might not be terrible? I don’t want the whitewashed maximoffs to have any more of an impact on the comic characters, even though I know that’s impossible.

Well, for one thing, they just retconned Franklin as a "false" mutant, too. I'm not saying that was a good choice, but if we're talking about the current status quo, he definitely doesn't hold up as an example. The definition of "mutant" has shifted over the years, but, generally speaking, when we talk about X-Men mutants, we're talking about people with a specific genetic feature, the X-gene. I suppose that a child of a human mutate who inherits superhuman or abnormal genetic traits from their parents would be, by definition, a mutant, but if they don't have the X-gene, it's not the same thing. Are there a lot of other characters like Franklin, who were allegedly born with the X-gene because their parents are mutates? Because I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Anyways, this is a hard point to debate because the 2015 retcons were poorly executed and poorly justified-- it's, like, impossible to retroactively view Wanda and Pietro as non-mutants when, in the past, their mutant status was an integral part of their characters and a key plot point in several major events. House of M, Son of M, and AvX literally don't make sense if they aren't mutants-- Pietro was depowered by the "no more mutants" spell, and Hope was able to mimic Wanda's powers. Neither of these things would be possible if they weren't real mutants. The explanation can't just be that Wanda believed herself to be a mutant, and so her magic functioned accordingly-- if that's how it's supposed to work, the reveal in Axis never could have happened the way it did. Do you see what I mean? I'm running circles around myself trying to make it make sense.

That aside, Billy and Tommy's status as mutants has always been a little nebulous-- I don't think they're ever clearly identified as such in any Young Avengers titles, although they were definitely described as mutants in some of their other appearances-- Secret Invasion always comes to mind. You could argue that their powers are a factor of their magical resurrection, rather than being genetic, but, as I've said in the past, I do think that the twins are genetically continuous to their original incarnations. More to the point, their "mutations" match Wanda and Pietro's almost exactly. This is taken as proof of their connection to Wanda, so, based on that significance, I'm inclined to say the nature of their powers should also match, mutant or not. Plus, don't you think it'd be a weird coincidence if they had the same abilities, but from a different source?

[As a disclaimer, I do tend to think of/refer to the entire Maximoff family as mutants when I'm not directly addressing the retcons. This is because they were written as such for decades, so they are still mutant characters within most of the existing material.]

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I have heard some of those leaks and rumors, and I agree that if the Axis retcon is going to be reversed, even partially, it will probably happen if and when MCU!Wanda comes to be known as a mutant. As I've said, I'm not invested in that character and I don't think there's any way, at this point, to fix the problems that she represents, so I don't really care where she ends up in the movies. I will say that I'm not terribly worried about the films influencing Wanda's appearance or characterization in the comics-- even after the Axis retcon, which was clearly motivated by IP concerns related to the movies, the changes she went through had nothing to do with MCU!Wanda and actually differentiated them even further.

That said, while Hickman's treatment of Wanda may be a red herring or set-up for some big reveal, I don't trust him, or Howard, with the character in any circumstance. More importantly, I care less about Wanda being a mutant than I care about the way Hickman, like Remender before him, is carrying on with the worst, most offensive aspects of her mid-2000s characterization. The levels of ableism and misogyny House of M, Disassembled, etc are too great to ignore. It is irresponsible for contemporary writers to refer back to those stories without acknowledging those problems, or at least attempting to shift the narrative for the better.

It's also really hurtful to me, as someone who sees their identity and history reflected in this character, to see her painted as pseudo-genocidal, or a race/class traitor, or a self-hating minority. Wanda has only become that character because gadjekane writers have chosen to project those those notions onto the image of a Roma woman. That sucks, and it sucks even more that so many fans, and industry pros, turn their ire onto the character, rather than reckoning with the real problem.

[finnickodaiir]

I don’t see how you could watch the show and NOT think Will needs to have a storyline related to Lonnie. We saw Jonathan and Joyce with Lonnie and hopefully we get to see them deal with their trauma related to him but Will- I mean it’s pretty explanatory why that relationship needs to be explored. Why wouldn’t someone want that? What brenner is to El is what Lonnie is to Will (and the Byers in general).

Hi anon, my answer is a lot longer than you probably expected, so I put it under the cut:

People who claim that Will and Lonnie will not interact at all and that its only Jonathan’s arc are being willfully ignorant and are in denial. Why we would see Jonathan and Lonnie’s relationship being explored again? He already had the arc of rejecting his father's ways and telling him where to go in Season One, if that happened in S4, he would be having the same arc twice (which would just prove the Duffers don’t know what to do with him). It makes way more sense if Will is the one whose arc will involve interacting with his father. He hasn't yet rejected his father's ways, which can be proved by the fact that he chose to destroy Castle Byers with a bat (Lonnie tried to "man him up" by taking him to baseball games), that he said he isn't going to fall in love (Jonathan was, as far as I remember, was quite skeptical of romantic relationships as well in S1, which was a result of his parents' marriage and eventual divorce), he took Mike’s claims about "not liking girls" seriously, which proves it's likely true and that he suffers from a lot of internalized homophobia caused by his father's and classmates' homophobia (and there's also that fact that it's the 1980s, but one thing doesn’t rule out the other). Also, I think that saying that Lonnie shouldn’t play a part at all in Will's arc S4 (it's about a post I saw on Sunday), because he "wasn't deeply affected" (which as I pointed out that earlier is bullshit) or "wasn't affected by Lonnie as much as Jonathan", is both wrong and rather offensive, because this isn't a competition of who suffered the most. The reason why certain people don’t want that is because they think Will is a minor character who is there to be nice to the main ones and suffer in silence. Some of them are now acknowledging that he is gay but say he will only come out and will sit in the background for the rest of the show (which I think is pretty problematic, because if you confirm that a character is LGBTQ+ and then you don't flesh that character out at all, then you only did it for representation points). I didn't really want to bring ship wars into the discussion, but I feel like most of the "Is Will important or not" discourse boils down to the Byler vs Mileven ship war (which as toxic as it is, I think revealed some people's true feelings when it comes Will and LGBTQ+ rep, but I'll elaborate in another post), most of the people who don't want him to have a big storyline, happen to be Milevens, because if he is just a minor character, then in their minds chances of Byler happening are low, which misses the point, because not every main character necessarily ends up with another main character (basing this on their idea that Will is a minor character), for example, Harry Potter and Ginny Weasley, Phoebe and Mark from Friends. So, yeah, I do believe the fact that most of the “Will shouldn't have much of a storyline in S4″ boils down to ship wars. I'm not saying he is the main character (this show has a lot of main characters, every character whose actor is credited among the main cast, should be considered a main character in my opinion), but he is not a minor character either, if he was then why would the Duffers create parallels between him and El? Why would his disappearance in S1 be the thing that drives the plot and his possession in S2 and why is he still connected to the Upside Down/The Mind Flayer? If he was a minor character of little importance, then his role in the show would be a small one like Mr. Clarke and wouldn’t affect the plot that much, but it isn’t. And the fact that he was used rather sparingly by the writers in S3 doesn't change that, S3 was about "the summer of love and being a teenager", Will isn't in a relationship and was reluctant to let go of his childhood, so it makes sense that he wasn't super involved and also El’s storyline in S2 didn't have that much to do with the main plot until the finale, her story in that season was mostly about family (bonding with Hopper, meeting Terry and Becky Ives, Kali), in some ways it was a journey of self-discovery. I think it was the writers intended to with Will last season, but if they had gone too deep into it, then they would have to explore certain things they probably hope to do in later seasons. In S3 we see Will feeling out of place in the "summer of love" and he still doesn’t want to let go of his childhood hobbies, but that changes after episode 3, in that episode he ends up lashing out at Lucas and Mike, their reactions suggest that he doesn't do that often or never did that before. He ends up that episode destroying Castle Byers, which symbolizes him letting go of his childhood, he also warns them about the Mind Flayer's return and takes a backseat, because after all this is still the summer of love and because he is not in a relationship, in some ways he has no place in the summer of love. But that's not to say he didn't have any growth at all, he still speaks up and calls other Party members out when he believes they are acting foolishly (something that judging by the other boys’ reaction, he never/rarely did before), it wasn't much but it was something when you compare it to S2 Will, who d who suffered in silence and apologized a lot. Sorry anon, this was longer than you probably expected, but I hope I covered most of the things you asked. 

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Intimacy, Sex and Buddie (better known as I have a lot of feelings about this show, some of which are related to the before mentioned topics) - Part 2

G’day friends, family and lost travelers! Welcome back to another instance of: I read too much into things!

This is where we really dive into the Character analysis and it’s gonna be a fun ride!!! (well, maybe. For me at least because thanks to 3.16 I am living! That episode validated me so much and now I truly believe I am right)

This is part two of a three part Meta / Character Analysis, and while you probably don’t need to read part 1, I would recommend it, so here is the link:

part 1

Also:

I should preface this by saying this meta was supposed to be a lot shorter and only talk about how both Buck and Eddie use sex to distract their respective partners from whatever topic they actually wanted to talk about but since I decided to rewatch the show to make sure I don’t miss any such scenes, it has exploded a bit and taken on more topics.

I should also mention that I am a Buddie shipper and while I tried, you will find several references and arguments for the ship in this Meta, not all of which necessarily call for a romantic pairing but just: These two are deeply connected and you cannot look at one without discussing the other and they are each other’s strongest emotional connection.

I should also preface this by saying that the whole of the 118 has some obvious intimacy / commitment issues except Bobby (which is sort of surprising) but *John Mulaney* voice we don’t have time to unpack all of that!

On another note I cuss a little in this Meta because my parents let me listen to TicTacToe as a small child and after that it never stuck that cussing is wrong so, uhm, parental supervision is advised or something?

This Meta will so far have three parts (this is part two), one for each season and is organised by episode so you could technically follow along

So here goes nothing, Season 2: (Also called „Why is Ryan naked so much?“)

Episode 2.01:

I’m not gonna talk a lot about this episode, because I feel like it’s been analysed to death already. Important to know is that Buck hasn’t yet given up on Abby coming back (see the shower scene), he is very lonely and there is a lot of homo- erotic tension.

Basically this episode goes like this:

Buck *after meeting Eddie*: nooooo, Dad, I don’t want a brother! He’s better than me! Put him back where he came from!

Eddie *takes one look at Buck*: Ui, you guys lied, he’s an ass - I like it! This is way better! We’re gonna be friends!

And then Buddie decides to something stupid to prove themselves (to each other) and they end up saving the day and bonding.

Also Eddie saying: „You guys hungry?“ after the Ambulance blows up? Iconic! He is such a little shit.

Episode 2.02 / 2.03:

(I’m putting them together because two-parter)

This episodes truly proves how hard they’ve already bonded, despite Buck not even knowing Eddie has a kid yet, especially from Eddie’s point of view: I actually think he started seeing Buck as his partner first. 

I love how he always takes charge, even in his first episode and expects Buck to go along with it - which Buck does (after some initial reluctance), because Buck is good at following orders and trusts Eddie. It might be an army thing, probably is an Eddie likes control thing. What is truly unique about Buddie, is the fact that Eddie defers to Buck’s judgement as needed, something he doesn’t do with anyone else, I think, unless the chain of command tells him to. Just look at how annoyed he is by Ali and her interfering.

That being said it really isn’t all to relevant for this meta, except to say: Interest- ing how fast they trusted each other and became a unit - I guess it’s true what they say: birds of a feather flock together.

Episode 2.04:

Here we get our first real insights into Eddie’s character (aside from that he is a little shit and likes to take charge) as well as some very nice shots of the man’s body, proving my theory that someone in charge really wants to get busy with Ryan Guzman. Which I am not exactly complaining about.

I do think however it’s a very noticable shift from the way they treat the other young, attractive guy in the cast. I talked about this a little in the first part of this Meta, how they went out of their way to hold Buck accountable and make him relatable, but refused to bank on his sex appeal, aside from a few scenes which mostly were about explaining why Abby reached out to him (and uh, we do not need to talk about how creepy that really was, do we?). Eddie though really gets sexualised from the get go. Or maybe that’s just me and I missed something? (Someone with more insight on such topics take the wheel? Because that really isn’t my area of expertice and I don’t wanna say anything false)

A main difference between Buck and Eddie at this point (or in general) is that Buck is always looking for connection. He craves emotional intimacy but it scares him because he cares too much and people keep leaving so he searches out physical intimacy - or he used to. Actually by Season 2 Buck is actively looking to connect emotionally with another person.

Eddie on the other hand isn’t even on the same level as Pilot!Buck, because he avoids both physical and emotional intimacy (except with Buck because, you know, steam engine). The episode implies that it might be caused by Shannon leaving, but the rest of Season 2 and specifically Season 3 show us that it’s an Eddie thing (likely caused by his upbringing if you fast forward to 3.15). And it really makes me want to know how Shannon and Eddie met and how long they had been dating before she got pregnant. Probably not that long tbh.

One thing to notice about the episode is that it parallels Eddie both with Buck (neither wants to date one of those girls, both deflect about their reasons) and with Abby - watch 1.03 and 2.04 back to back, both are about a character taking care of a special needs family member, both have another family member consider them stuck when they themselves do not and both feature Buck trying to help (passively by talking to Abby on the phone vs. actively by having Eddie and Carla meet)

Also as I pointed out in another post the conversation about dating is kind of similar to the car conversation, and I really am clowning now - which is why I will not try and parallel the conversation between Maddie and Buck with the one between Bobby and Buck in 1.09!

I still don’t fully understand the need for that scene (you know which one) aside from being another instance where the boys get sexualised and giving us our first insight into Eddie romantically and also the first time he uses Christopher as a shield (also not the last).

The general take away from the episode is that Eddie is bad at asking for help and Buck is bad at asking for permission which means they fit really well - because Eddie doesn’t have to voice his needs and Buck doesn’t have to feel bad about steamrolling him.

In terms of the overall theme of this meta your main takeaway from this episode should be:

Buck - no longer substituting physical intimacy for emotional intimacy but also not seeking out emotional intimacy, both because he has a connection through Maddie and is building one with Eddie but also because he still considers himself spoken for, though the episode ends with him realicing he might not be (and then he keeps realising, because he is one stubborn mf).

Eddie - avoiding both physical and emotional intimacy and using Christopher to deflect, mainly because he doesn’t have the time for either (but still getting a connection through Buck, thanks to someone just punching right through his boundaries)

Episode 2.05:

no relevance, our boys are barely in it

Episode 2.06:

Well, if you want to write about Buddie crumbs than yeah, definitely important. Also, you can draw a definite parallel between Abby and Taylor, because Buck knew both their voices before he saw their faces and built an emotional connection to those voices. This fits because, well, Buck is afraid of emotional intimacy, but when it’s just a voice it’s easier for him to let himself be vulnerable cause it’s not an actual person.

Plus, considering the thing with Taylor is one sided prior to their meeting, he isn’t actually cheating on Abby. Or so Buck thinks. (Also Taylor doesn’t have a chance to hurt Buck and leave him because you know, she is not aware he exists?)

Also Eddie talks about becoming a firefighter because he missed the camaraderie of the army - aka the emotional connection he had with his squadron (is that the right term?). So technically he did actively try and seek it out - to a point at least. Because, as I will discuss in Part 3, Eddie may consider the 118 his family but his relationship with the other three firefighters in not on the same level than the one he has with Buck.

Episode 2.07:

Let’s all give a warm welcome to Shannon Diaz! I like Shannon, I think she is great (I also think she and Eddie are similar because they both run away from problems which is why they would never work out - unlike another possible relationship mentioned sporadically in this Meta, hint hint ;) ... okay, moving on)

We learn that „not in the picture“ means Eddie is still married, which begs the question how much Eddie has told Carla and the 118 about Shannon up to this point (as little as possible), what they assume about her (probably the worst) and if Eddie ever sets the record straight (I’m assuming yes, because while Eddie doesn’t share - Eddie is also protective of his family and Shannon is his family for better or worse - I really wish they didn’t kill her off and instead played out the divorce storyline because there was so much chance for growth! Although that was probably too similar to Athena and Michael, which is why they didn’t do it. So they fridged her. Damn, and I am still salty about it.)

I really love when she comes to the house, because we learn so much about them as a couple. Like how her eyes grow warm when he opens the door but Eddie’s don’t but then he goes in to hug her (and you can really tell that Ryan Guzman is an athlete in the way that he always acts with his whole body and conveys so much through movement). And the fact that Shannon immediately pushes to meet Christopher (probably because with Eddie you need to push, because he is very stubborn and also in need of control), and her saying she never thought Eddie would be into something so fancy? Yet another insight into Eddie’s character and into his upbringing, which while probably not poor seems to have been fairly modest.

Also love how they fight almost right from the get go, implying that it is their normal (as proven in 3.15). They really never stood a chance!

There is a lot of backstory we get through their fighting, both at the house and at the school, most notably that even in marriage Eddie was never able to fully open up to Shannon - aka be emotionally intimate with her. Which made her feel very alone.

And I don’t wanna defend Shannon and her actions because other people have said it before and this is not what this Meta is about but I can see her point of view. With Eddie and the way he just always needs to be in control and make the decisions she probably thought she had to do something drastic to get him to notice her and her struggles.

Interestingly enough Eddie is emotionally vulnerable with Shannon at the end when he tells her that he understands why she left and that he misses her, but then he immediately kisses her and look, we don’t know what happens next  but we can guess from the latter episodes.

And look, tbh with Eddie it’s a little bit harder to draw the line between physical and emotional intimacy than with Buck because Eddie’s love language is touch and actions, so technically in a way he is always emotionally intimate when he is physically intimate (probably why he didn’t wanna go out with any of the girls in 2.04 - Eddie, different to Buck, can not just separate feelings from sex, while Buck has a hard time reconciling the two)

On Buck’s side of this Meta he finally comes to terms with Abby leaving, which doesn’t have too much relevance for this meta except there are a lot of parallels between Buddie in terms of: how long is too long to wait - because while Eddie pretends to have given up on Shannon, he actually hasn’t, whereas Buck outwardly is still waiting for Abby but on the inside has given up hope - something they both come to terms with in this episode

Episode 2.08:

Fun fact: The german title of this Episode is Lovestorys. Can you guess if there is anything of relevance in it?

Okay, first off for the millionth time, in case you haven’t read part 1 or you aren’t convinced yet or maybe you just forgot: Evan „Buck“ Buckley was never a sex addict. Kay? Good.

Also, remember when I said the show doesn’t sexualise Oliver the way it does Ryan? Yeah, this episode exactly. Buck has sex twice and we see less of his body than of Eddie just getting out of bed. Is it a contract thing? Was Ryan always running around naked on set? Did Oliver refuse to take his shirt off? Is he always cold because he’s vegan? Should I figure out Twitter just to ask the cast these questions?

(Also, remember when I said with Buck it’s mostly Girl on top, yay, it stays true)

In terms of actual relevant story, there’s that woman on the freeway (highway? Idk guys, I’m not from the US) reinforcing that Buck has finally accepted that Abby and him are over and then there’s the Taylor Kenny - story, which is sort of just beating the bush of sexual vs emotional intimacy with Buck trying for the latter and only finding the former (remember the Brunette from the Pilot? Yeah, that’s why I’m reminding you).

What I like is the fact that, after spending so much time calling out Buck 1.0 (and they should, because stealing a fire truck? Twice? Babe, for realsies?), this episode went: look, maybe girls like meaningless sex, too? Although, technically they have been telling us from the the beginning, that those girl were using Buck in the same way he was using them (again with the Brunette) - Buck just never understood that until Taylor.

We also get the soulmate scene with the very sweet couple, once again, rein- forcing how lonely Buck is and how much he is craving love and a connection and stability. That really is what his character boils down to at the end of the day: a lost kid trying to find his place in the world. And now I’m sad.

As for the Ali storyline, oh man, I’d really rather ignore it? Not because I have anything against the character per sey it’s just - we get to see their first meeting and then 5 episodes later their first date and by the end of the season they are in love love except by Season 3 she is gone? And in between she is hardly ever mentioned? So I really don’t know how to comment on their relationship in terms of this meta and what it means for Buck except: I think it was one of those right times right moment kind of things and Buck is sort of transfering a lot of his wishes and needs and feelings onto her, but their relationship has a weak foundation, which is why it ended so fast (except we don’t know how fast it ended because there is a 5 month gap between Season 2 and 3 and the breakup gets mentioned one (1) time. Soooooo...)

And Eddie, well, he was in the episode.

Episode 2.09:

I like this episode a lot and it tells us so much about Hen’s issues, but in terms of this meta: no relevance!

Sidenote: I do always forget they did Hen before they did Chim. Then again this episode in general feels very disconnected because there was no prompting, no connection to the present.

Episode 2.10:

Ah, yes, that one! The gift that keeps on giving in terms of Eddie and this meta (and also Buddie, but I’m trying not to be ship-y around here)

(One tiny sidenote though, I do think we see Eddie roll of off Shannon, and, while I don’t want to reinforce some stereotype about Top and Bottom, because I am not a gay man and therefore not qualified to comment, with Buck it’s generally girl on top? So Buck usually lets his partner set the pace while Eddie prefers to be the one in control? Okay, you know what, let’s just say it fits with their characters and maybe they match and leave it at that?)

(also, again with the Ryan shirtless, I mean, not that I am complaining, it’s just ... yeah, please, someone who knows this stuff come talk to me about it and explain because I don’t know and maybe I am seeing things?)

(sidenote #3 with actual relevance: They did not mention Buck’s girlfriend even once. They never do until the final.)

First of, this episode proofs what I said before: With Eddie there is no separating Sex and feelings. It is interconnected („We are working things out.“).

Also there is a point to be made about Eddie and control. So far we have always seen Eddie be the one in control and make decisions and this is our first real indicator that it actually bothers him, that maybe he wants someone else to tell him what’s right or wrong, too.

I’m gonna fast forward a bit, because we are nearly at the end of Season 3 irl and so far we have seen Eddie ask for help several times but only with two people - Buck and Lena - he actually takes the advice. I don’t want to say too much because it really fits better in Season 3, but wether you ship them or not, it is noticeable that out of everyone Buck is the one Eddie let’s help the most. The one he trusts the most.

(Man, they are both just two lost boys looking for their home, aren’t they? (and now I am sad again.))

There is also the topic of trust brought up, which you know, we hear about a few times from Eddie, and it really is such a big thing for him, isn’t it?

To fast forward again, that is one big difference between Eddie and Buck. Both struggle with self worth and trust but while Buck’s biggest problem is that he doesn’t trust people to like him, if they actually get to know him (or if they even want to get to know him), Eddie just plain old does not trust people? Because Eddie is a pessimist, so he doesn’t even try to connect, while Buckeroo trusts way too much and too easily and he is such an optimist and gives away everything and then he still isn’t enough - and then and only then does he give up hope (which is something we see happen in canon maybe twice? With Abby, maybe with Ali, and with Christopher, but again, Season 3 you guys!)

These two really are the different sides of the same coin, huh?

In relevance to this Meta, Eddie is trying very much this whole episode to be open and vulnerable and he struggles so much because he is very scared. The main issue with Eddie is always (and specifically with Shannon) by making himself vulnerable, he opens Christopher up to getting hurt as well (and vice versa because he can’t let Shannon into his son’s life without letting her into his own life) and this is what we see him struggle with in this episode and also what intensifies his already existing issues with intimacy throughout the show in general, his need to protect his son. 

It should be noted that in the end Eddie puts Christopher’s wishes above his own well-being which is in fact what he will always do because Christopher is the most important person in his life.

As for Buck in this episode, well, after having so much development in his last episode, he really was there more as a sounding board for other characters. However I will mention that, after the show points out the whole thing is none of his business twice, Eddie then turns around and makes the Shannon thing Buck’s business, because well, connected and all that. Trusting and giving up control. Emotional intimacy. Just repeating myself now.

Episode 2.11: No relevance.

Episode 2.12: No relevance.

Episode 2.13: No real relevance.

There is the scene in the hospital between Buck and Eddie that reinforces the peas in a pot thing they got going on and a reverse from the Christmas Episode when Eddie asked Buck about what he should do. Here Eddie acts as the sounding board (even though Buck has already done the thing but then so has Eddie by hiding Shannon).

This is also yet another instance of Buck trying to help another person with no regard for his own safety but I’m with Eddie here: I have sisters as well. I too would do countless stupid things to save them with no regard to my own safety and I’m a girl - I was not raised on the believe that is was my job to protect them from harm like both Buck and Eddie probably were (because gender rolls).

Also Buck thinks it’s his fault that Doug even found Maddie and Eddie explains to him why its bull. To reinforce the whole connection thing, it is very noticeable that these two always give each other exactly what the other needs - with Eddie from the get go always working on building up Buck’s self worth and Buck always lending a hand to Eddie and taking control when needed (remember Carla? That was Buck taking control for Eddie because Eddie didn’t know what to do).

There is also the short scene when Shannon comes to the hospital and it prob- ably did a lot to help rebuild Eddies trust in his wife.

Episode 2.14:

STOP MAKING EVAN BUCKLEY WORRY ABOUT HIS FAMILY 2k21 (because it’s too late for anything before that)

It’s also our first real: Eddie can be a dumbass, too sighting and there is that one scene (you know which one) which in text is not shippy at all, but ended up in every gifset because Oliver is looking at Ryan like he wants to eat him alive.

Aside from that, this episode really isn’t about them and that’s okay.

Episode 2.15: Crime is hard. That is all.

Episode 2.16: No relevance.

Episode 2.17:

First of all, Eddie is not shirtless? At the beach? Damn, what’s wrong, 911? Is it because Gavin was there? Have you used up all your contracted shirtless scenes by now? Did Ryan find out he was the only one running around set half naked?

Also poor Eddie, you know, you’d think getting married your done having those: what are we - conversations and then bam: there it is again. He really can’t catch a break, can he?

Also I know it’s been said before, but I’ll say it again: Eddie Diaz is not in love with Shannon. Maybe he has never been or maybe he just stopped at some point, but right then and there he isn’t in love with her. He does however love her deeply (she is after all the mother of his son) and she is his family which is sort of where the problem in their relationship lies. Because Eddie, who has problems with trust and intimacy, frankly doesn’t care enough about Shannon (and also doesn’t trust her enough) to try and be open and vulnerable with her, which is what he needs to be in order for them to work, a fact that Shannon seems to be aware of and have accepted.

(Because if you have to wait for a sign on what to do in your relationship, yeah, you already know - you’re just not accepting it.)

And this episode is so heartbreaking and I just had to stop myself from ugly crying because Shannon loves Christopher so very much. And I just hate that they killed her off, so in my mind I have already half plotted a fix it fic in which she survives because that was just unnecessary angst.

Though that’s the topic of another post.

In terms of the relationship-story I am similarly floored as I am by the „Help!“ scene because (at least for me) this is the first time I have seen media really address that yes, you can be a good parent and still not be ready for a serious relationship because those two things are very different. Sure, you sometimes see examples of it through subtext but never before has it been so outright stated.

And I like that both Shannon and Eddie ask themselves that question, but come to a different conclusion - or actually they don’t. Like I said above, for Eddie this relationship fits because it’s easy and he doesn’t have to change or better adapt. He can just keep avoiding the hard stuff (being vulnerable) and still have the good stuff (sex). And then Shannon might be pregnant again and look at his speech at the restaurant: He is basically saying our child is awesome, so we should get back together because if we make such awesome children than we can’t be that bad together. And that is so very wrong, which Shannon understands.

The problem is, that Eddie doesn’t fully understand why their marriage hasn’t worked in the first place. If you tie it into 3.15 Eddie Begins, I think for Eddie, the reason why Shannon left him was a little to get back at him for leaving her and a lot about feeling left alone and being unable to cope with raising their child alone, but all of that is gonna be different now because he will be there for her physically and emotionally as he is no longer in the army! So the issue is solved. They should be a family again. Even without a new kid. After all: they love each other.

And look, those are all fair reasons and true but the thing Eddie doesn’t understand about relationships in general and his marriage to Shannon in particular is that she also needs him to be emotionally vulnerable with her. Shannon needs Eddie to let her be there for him, just like he is trying to be there for her. Because relationships are always a two way street.

SO obviously this is where the episode ended. There were no more scenes af- ter that. Nope. Bit weird how it was so short but you do you, 911, you do you!

And well, Buck was there too.

Episode 2.18:

I’m just gonna come out and say it: Ramon and Helena are bad parents. Flying to your daughter-in-law’s funeral only to bad mouth her and then try to take your son’s son away again? Yeah, I do not like your style. I wonder how much of Eddie Begins was already planned at this point or if they built that plot about his family for 3.15 based on this episode. Huh. We might never know. (except Twitter)

Also me thinks Eddie choose LA because of Pepa and Abuela, not because of Shannon. She was probably just a bonus.

As for Buck (and Ali): the actors seem to have had fun doing those scenes? I guess? Other than that it’s a little cringy and very out of nowhere and probably more caused by the show having money left over and deciding to built a new set. ANd damn what a set. I wonder how Buck is supposed to be able to afford that because that apartment has probably about 50-75m2 considering there is a kitchen and a living room as well as a room behind the living room and probably an extra room in the upper floor as well (someone do a floorplan and also tell me why Buck needs so much space and wether they think I could move in with him. My apartment is not this nice and LA isn’t that long a commute).

Point being I don’t know why they brought Ali back in the first place, especially in this episode. She was never mentioned after their first date, so why? Just to give people something to discuss during hiatus?

There was no point to have those two incredibly lovey dovey scenes only to have that scenes about what he wants to do next because all those scenes? Would have worked just fine with, you know, his sister (except a little different because incest). Who actually has the what if you can’t go back to being a firefighter - scene with him. So why have a girlfriend you barely introduced and never used before? I’m not mad, 911, just confused! (Fuck me, I really am getting twitter)

As for the topic of this meta, there really isn’t much too tell. Ali honestly doesn’t figure into things except to create more abandonment issues.

I should point out that this episode reinforced the whole Buddie connection thing - from Eddie holding Buck’s hand the whole while he’s pinned to saying „Almost (back to normal)“ to Buck going to Eddie’s ceremony despite probably still being on somewhat of a bed rest.

Other than that, that’s it for Season 2. Whew!

Before I let ya’ll off the hook, though (look, you’ve read it this far, you can now just bear it a bit longer) I wanna comment real quick:

Compared to Season 1 Buck barely had any character development (mainly because he had so much in Season 1 and sometimes stuff like that needs to settle - real life would be the same way)

Eddie however has nearly no development at all and in fact as of Season 3, not a lot has changed in that regard. His issues just became more obvious. Which is something I actually like a lot, because one: he went through a lot of shit in a fairly short amount of time and two: he is such a stubborn and reserved character, anything else wouldn’t be in character and ultimately feel rushed. Plus, because this is his personality it’s feels like we’re actually getting to know him like you would a person in real life? Piece by piece, no unnecessary exposition. Or maybe that’s just me, I don’t really know anything about storytelling.

I also want to comment on Buddie real quick because it would be dishonest if I didn’t and also it’s just glaring me in the face:

The thing is, while I do not necessarily believe they have any intention of making them romantic (because I have been burned too often and just recently by a show that liked to praise itself for its diversity (so a heartfelt fuck you to Sera Gamble and who ever decided to kill off Quentin Coldwater, because that character mattered so much and you destroyed it)), I do think we are right when we talk about connection and parallels and being each others person and just generally being each others closest relationship. Because they parallel their stories so much and they connect them so often and they did do it from the get go like as early as Episode 4 - which was already written and probably already shot by the time Episode 1 aired. So there. I said it. Buddie is real, wether it’s platonic or romantic, it is real. And that also matters!

(although of course if they went with romantic? That would matter a bit more! Tim Minear, listen to me, you could make TV history! This would be bigger than Supergirl making the sister gay in the second season! Ya’ll would be legends, revered by fans for years to come! Also I’d bake you a cake?)

And there you have it! Season 2! We made it! And only like 2000 words more than Season 1.

Can you believe at this point I have written nearly 10.000 words on these two exceptional characters and their issues? And it’s technically only one issue, like I’m ignoring so much stuff just glaring at me right now!

(also on a side note, this is where I tag @angelcamael , who asked me to do so and @greyhello because she inspired me to write this meta in the first place and while it is now ... no longer about that original topic, I’m still gonna tag her)

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Fantastic Four Vol 1 #187, #188, & #189

Thur Aug 22 2019 [02:04 PM] Bocaj: 187 issues later, still fantastic but not necessarily still four [02:05 PM] Wack'd: Eh, they're still pretty Fourish [02:05 PM] Wack'd: Unless you count Franklin I guess [02:05 PM] Wack'd: Sure, Thundra, Greer, and Impy have been around a lot lately, but Greer insists she's not part of the team and Thundra and Impy don't really play well with others [02:06 PM] maxwellelvis: Also, Impossible Man's been KO'd by an unseen assailant. [02:06 PM] Wack'd: Also true [02:07 PM] Wack'd: Anyway, on the plane ride back from New Salem, the team recaps a little [02:07 PM] Wack'd: Agatha left that place in the hopes that others have her kind would be encouraged to join her, and she blames herself for raising Nicholas badly [02:07 PM] Wack'd: These are, again, the kind of details it might've been nice to have during the actual story so we could wring something out of them [02:08 PM] Bocaj: "Thundra and Impy don't really play well with others" I posit that Johnny and Ben historically haven't always played well with others [02:09 PM] Bocaj: Sometimes a family is that cat woman stray you adopted, the woman from an alternate universe where men are considered the weaker gender until you slammed her universe into another, and that annoying alien [02:09 PM] Bocaj: We'll call him the 'urkel' type [02:09 PM] Wack'd: Let me rephrase that to "are openly contemptuous of others and seem hesitant to do even the bare minimum to lend aid" [02:09 PM] maxwellelvis: Yeah, but in a different way from Impossible Man, who literally nobody except other Popuppians can stand to be around. [02:09 PM] Bocaj: Ok well thats different [02:10 PM] Wack'd: The Four discover Impy, knocked out but apparently unharmed. Sue worries that whoever did this might still be in the Baxter [02:11 PM] Wack'd: We can also add to George Pérez to the long list of comics artists who are bad at drawing children but very good at drawing tiny adults

[02:12 PM] Bocaj: George Pérez can draw a lot of things, in terms of range and also in terms of numerical things on a page but children are black magic that eludes him [02:13 PM] Aleph Null: i relate because children are also black magic that eludes me [02:13 PM] Wack'd: So Johnny flies outside to look in all the windows while Ben decides to go floor by floor. Reed is out out because they made a plan without him and Sue has to heal his fragile ego [02:13 PM] Wack'd: “Without my stretching powers, I'm not really good enough to be anything more than a nursemaid!” [02:13 PM] Bocaj: fuck off reed [02:14 PM] Aleph Null: can we retitle the blog to “fuck off reed” [02:14 PM] Wack'd: This is a nice moment

[02:15 PM] Wack'd: Honestly I like how forgiving everyone is being of Agatha. Not that anyone on this team has room to throw stones [02:16 PM] Wack'd: Oh my god Johnny is also like "man, running off on my own like I always do probably hurt Reed's feelings" [02:16 PM] Wack'd: Anyway Ben runs into KLAW! [02:17 PM] Bocaj: Ulysses Klaue Klaw? [02:17 PM] Wack'd: Whose shtick at this point is still being made of sound and also being able to fire sound monsters at people [02:17 PM] Wack'd: And not, you know, having a claw [02:17 PM] maxwellelvis: His artificial hand is his claw. [02:19 PM] Wack'd: Oh hey it's this guy

[02:19 PM] Bocaj: oh thats a bad look [02:20 PM] maxwellelvis: Actually that's not that guy. That's a different guy. [02:20 PM] Wack'd: Back in #20 he got the ability to alter non-organic matter because he was exposed to an atomic incident [02:20 PM] Wack'd: Since then he's had a couple of appearances in the 70s, one in Two in One and one in Iron Man [02:20 PM] Bocaj: The guy I knew as Molecule Man is a multiversal bomb [02:21 PM] maxwellelvis: Wait, I saw that guy shrivel up and disintegrate when separated from his wand for too long. [02:22 PM] Wack'd: Yes [02:22 PM] Wack'd: This got undone in the Iron Man appearance I mentioned [02:22 PM] maxwellelvis: oh [02:22 PM] Wack'd: Where he also gained the ability to possess people [02:23 PM] Bocaj: There was a shitty Avengers Assemble episode about Son of Molecule Man [02:23 PM] Bocaj: It had a stylistic flashback to EMH [02:23 PM] Wack'd: Given how fucking often these books are like "oh, they killed him, he's gone for real" and then in a completely different book he comes back to life and then he returns to his original book with a long winded explanation... [02:23 PM] Wack'd: I'm not sure why you would've assumed that he was actually dead [02:24 PM] maxwellelvis: Because this time he left behind a body. [02:24 PM] Wack'd: That doesn't mean anything! [02:24 PM] maxwellelvis: Well, a pile of dust in a ragged old Molecule Man costume. [02:24 PM] Wack'd: At the end of his first appearance the Watcher aged him into oblivion [02:26 PM] Wack'd: Agatha filling the role of "lady who tells Reed to suck it the fuck up" now that Medusa's gone

[02:28 PM] Wack'd: Anyway Ben gets turned into glass, Johnny is drowned in midair, Sue is...uh...

[02:28 PM] Wack'd: Sure, that's how that works [02:29 PM] Wack'd: And Reed tries to fire on the two but his gun is turned to helium and he's knocked out [02:30 PM] Wack'd: Okay so uh [02:31 PM] Wack'd: In the aftermath of that Iron Man I mentioned, Klaw found Owen's wand, with Owen's mind trapped inside, and gave it to a guy he met on the street so Owen would possess that guy [02:31 PM] Wack'd: The narrative notes that the guy was a boxer so I should probably also note that the guy was a boxer in case it becomes relevant [02:33 PM] Wack'd: So! The Four are incapacitated! Who cam save them now! [02:33 PM] Wack'd: Why, Impossible Man, of course. Not because he cares about the team, but because he's angry that someone defeated him in combat [02:34 PM] Wack'd: Impy can shapeshift so Molecule Man can't really do much to him [02:34 PM] Wack'd: And Impy removes his ears and makes himself into a non-sound-conductive material so he's immune to Klaw [02:34 PM] Wack'd: And then he kicks their asses [02:35 PM] Wack'd: Owen had been planning on using Reed's psi-amplifier (from that time Ben and Hulk switched brains) to make it so he could keep his ass in this body forever [02:35 PM] Wack'd: But Reed manages to cut the cord mid-process, sapping Owen back into his wand [02:36 PM] Wack'd: And undoing all the damage he caused [02:36 PM] Wack'd: AND THEN REED PICKS UP THE WAND WITH HIS BARE HANDS, LIKE AN IDIOT [02:37 PM] Wack'd: W E L P

[02:38 PM] Bocaj: Basically Lunella becoming Smartest was long overdue because Reed is dumb [02:38 PM] Bocaj: Someone needed to explicitly be smarter than him or else it would be very sad [02:39 PM] Wack'd: Don't think it's escaped my attention that this is our second evil Reed storyline in which Reed isn't actually evil [02:39 PM] Bocaj: Hm [02:40 PM] Bocaj: At least it’s not an evil Sue storyline [02:40 PM] Bocaj: Those are bad in many many ways [02:40 PM] Wack'd: If Gerry Conway's read on the Reed/Sue divorce arc was "if they're going to split up it should be because Reed does something truly ghastly", it seems like Wein's was "people seem to really want to make Reed a jerk, so how do I do that without altering the fact that he's genuinely a nice person" [02:42 PM] Wack'd: I loathed Conway's take, but Wein's is even worse because it denies the idea that Reed has anything to be culpable for. It seems like people have been shilling him constantly recently--Sue noticing Counter-Reed is unaffectionate to spot the ruse, Ben assuming Counter-Reed is obsessively watching the Negative Zone because he wants to save his counterpart, Counter-Reed immediately becoming a selfless paragon when his headache wears off [02:43 PM] Wack'd: And this issue, too, with everyone but Agatha assuming Reed is entitled to authority and feeling bad for hurting his feelings by doing their own things [02:44 PM] Wack'd: Maybe I'm being uncharitable because he's the cripple-the-b**** guy, but it does really seem like he sees nothing wrong with Reed's normal pattern of behavior and is mildly baffled anyone would. Which would fit well with his aesthetic of overwhelming nostalgia [02:45 PM] Wack'd: Anyway

Thur Aug 22 2019 [02:46 PM] Wack'd: So Reed's brain is trapped in Owen's wand now [02:47 PM] Wack'd: Ben destroys the Psi-Amplifier so Owen can't take over Reed's body permanently [02:47 PM] Wack'd: Owen, in retaliation, traps Sue, Johnny, Ben and Impy in an adimantium cube [02:48 PM] Wack'd: While he goes to blow off some adimantium rage [02:48 PM] maxwellelvis: Spider-Man and Venom ~ Maximum Carnage (Genesis) - Main Theme [02:49 PM] Wack'd: Johnny uses his heat to expand the air in the box, forcing it open, but it takes basically everything he's got [02:49 PM] Wack'd: You would think everybody in that box would die a million times of heat stroke but I guess not [02:50 PM] maxwellelvis: I was about to question the presence of Adamantium in an FF story, then I remembered that A. it's past 1975 now so Wolverine is a thing, and B. Len Wein is one of Wolverine's co-creators. [02:50 PM] maxwellelvis: And I think he first coined "Adamantium" to describe what his claws are made of. [02:51 PM] Wack'd: Watcher has gone from a white Grey to a fat bald guy to a Tor Johnson character

[02:53 PM] Wack'd: Watcher is still not talking, which Ben takes as a sign of apathy [02:53 PM] Wack'd: "Why don't you go to sell tickets to a funeral," he asks [02:54 PM] Wack'd: Ah yes, my favorite Tom Hanks movie

[02:55 PM] maxwellelvis: "You should make'em bugs!" [02:58 PM] Wack'd: Credit where it's due, I think this is genuinely the coolest monster design we've had in a while! You can see some remnants of the Kirby aping that still, in 1977, has not worn off, but it feels novel applied to brick and mortar, and I love the arrangements of the windows and the way the structures on the roof jut out of it's shoulders

[02:59 PM] Wack'd: Reed agrees to stop resisting, and the building returns to normal [02:59 PM] Wack'd: And then his friends show up and Reed starts resisting again [03:00 PM] Wack'd: Thanks to that resistance, Owen can't do anything to our heroes directly, and has to settle for transforming their surroundings [03:00 PM] Wack'd: This would be a lot simpler if they just kept the "no organic matter" limit from his first appearance [03:01 PM] maxwellelvis: Blame Steve Gerber, I guess. [03:01 PM] Wack'd: Impy tries to hit Owen with a giant mallet but Sue stops him because she doesn't want to hurt Reed [03:02 PM] Wack'd: Impy takes it well

[03:05 PM] Wack'd: Unfortunately, Reed's body gets knocked out anyway [03:06 PM] Wack'd: But while this renders the Reed inside of Owen's wand unconscious, it sends Owen into spasms of pain [03:06 PM] Wack'd: Causing him to release his grip on the wand, dropping it into a nearby factory furnace [03:07 PM] Wack'd: And so normalcy is restored--OR IS IT?! [03:07 PM] Wack'd: Reed's decided to resign from the Four [03:07 PM] Wack'd: And Sue's going to join him because "I already deserted my husband once, I'm not going to do it again" [03:07 PM] Wack'd: *sigh* [03:08 PM] Bocaj: 😐

Thur Aug 22 2019 [03:10 PM] Wack'd: FANTASTIC FOUR VOL 1 #189 [03:10 PM] Wack'd: Is a reprint of Annual ’66 [03:10 PM] Wack'd: Moving on [03:10 PM] Wack'd: As if there weren't enough reasons to hate Wein, it certainly seems like a lot of issues get delayed while he's around [03:11 PM] Wack'd: This is the second in less than ten issues [03:11 PM] maxwellelvis: That might explain why Chris Claremont took over Uncanny X-Men almost immediately after Wein revived it

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I've just read that post on bridges in TASM films, and it reminded me: Before the Spider-verse comic event, Gwen Stacy was essentially the Lost Lenore of Comics. Now Spider-Gwen is popular enough that her fans, and probably younger generations would balk at the idea of Gwen dying. I'm aware that you're a fan of The Night Gwen Stacy Died story, so I hope this doesn't come off as judgmental: It's a major part of the main Spider-Man comics, but does it NEED to be part of general narrative?

This is something I do think about a lot actually because, as you’ve said, it’s pretty well known I’m a fan of The Night Gwen Stacy Died (or a Gwen Stacy deathfucker as some of my friends have delicately and tactfully put it), but I’m also a fan of Gwen, and additionally as a woman who loves big two superhero comics I do think it’s important to consider the treatment of women within that particular media. So I don’t think this question is rude at all, and I think it’s an interesting thing to debate and to talk over. As famous female characters deaths go, Gwen’s is definitely up there, and it is a storyline I personally love and have a lot of feelings about, because, to put it simply, I love a well-done fictional tragedy. I find a lot of the rhetoric around this death to be iffy – Gerry Conway’s own statement that Gwen died because she as a “non-entity”, as compared to the current hyping up of Spider-Gwen as the “Gwen we’ve always needed”, which seems to imply that it was Gwen’s own fault that she died for not being an interesting enough character, or that Gwen is only a valuable or relatable character if she herself has superpowers or is leading a book. There’s a lot to unpack here, no matter what your stance is. I think it’s particularly telling that Gwen’s death is very up there with, say, the deaths of Jason Todd or Bucky Barnes, and yet Gwen, as a female character, does not get a violent “return from the dead” vengeance storyline along the lines of Red Hood or Winter Soldier. Even the recent reframing of Gwen Stacy-65 as Ghost Spider is totally divorced from this subject, despite the fact that the name alone seems to tease the idea of Gwen, back from the dead. The fact that even with Gwen’s resurgence in popularity following The Amazing Spider-Man franchise’s portrayal of her still doesn’t mean she gets a revenge saga the way young and tragically at one time dead male characters do is I think very telling. (I could write the hell out of a Red Hood-esque Gwen Stacy revenge murder miniseries, I am just saying, Marvel.)

But to go back to the question at hand, if I’m being a hundred percent honest, I think that to keep a version of Peter in line with his 616 character development, he needs to suffer a loss of this magnitude at this particular point in his life. Personally, I don’t think that loss needs to be Gwen, but within the adaptation that is being told I think it needs to be of equal weight and importance to what 616 Gwen meant to 616 Peter. Gwen traditionally only ever gets spoken about as his girlfriend, but if you look at the period of comics surrounding her death, it becomes abundantly clear that Peter and Gwen were planning to get married shortly before her death, which adds a certain amount of weight to the relationship that simply referring to her as his girlfriend doesn’t lend:

(Amazing Spider-Man #99)

(Amazing Spider-Man #103)

Additionally, for me, I think it’s important that Gwen’s death isn’t just a one and done – she’s dead and it means something, both to Peter and to the rest of the cast that knew her. The definition of fridging is when a woman is killed for a man’s emotional development, true, but I think a key issue is that often when a woman is fridged there isn’t much emotional development when you actually look at the text. The man is sad but then he moves on, and maybe it comes up when he gets into a new relationship with a different woman because he needs to angst about how she can’t end up just like Poor Dead Previous Girlfriend. But I think Gwen’s death has a real weight in the series. She’s not a non-entity; her absence matters. I once saw a post about how Gwen’s death didn’t really have an effect on Peter and I think about it all the time over how incredibly wrong it was:

(Amazing Spider-Man #127)

(Amazing Spider-Man #136)

(Spider-Man & Black Cat: Evil That Men Do #6)

(Webspinners #12)

So this is a loss that deeply  and consistently haunts Peter and not one he ever fully recovers from. It’s a loss with very lasting impact, like I said, not just for him, but for other people who knew Gwen.

“How lovely she was! What a wonderful couple she and made! I hoped we’d friends for life!” – Amazing Spider-Man #365

“Gwen was our light.” – Spectacular Spider-Man #250.

“She fell… and, in a sense – we all fell with her.” – Spectacular Spider-Man #200.

“Peter… loved Gwen. I loved Gwen! She was a good person.” – Spectacular Spider-Man #180

“Maybe because she knew Gwen, and was also friend.” – Amazing Spider-Man #509

Roughly speaking, I would say that to keep Peter on track with his 616 character development, the loss needs to be of a person in a serious and committed romantic relationship with Peter. The circumstances need to be duplicated, in my opinion, to track with 616 Peter’s development, but Gwen doesn’t necessarily have to be the character that dies. I personally have several WIP AUs where I’ve subbed out Gwen in this role for Harry; combined with Harry’s drug addiction and Peter’s natural protectiveness, as well as Norman’s role in this particular murder, it makes for a very interesting version of events. This sounds like I’m framing things around the man, but Spider-Man comics are a story about Peter, and so what Peter feels can’t be discounted from the story, and I do feel Peter needs to feel deeply about this. There are a lot of Spider-Man female characters death I feel very negatively about: Mattie Franklin, Ashley Kafka, Marla Jameson, Jean DeWolff, to name a few. But I feel negatively about them in part because if you’re going to kill a character, it should majorly impact the story and the main character. Gwen’s death does that in a way that the character deaths listed above don’t. In my opinion, if you’re going to kill an established character, it should matter beyond the story they die in. For me that’s a big part of what separates a character death I enjoy from I don’t.

At the end of the day, I think loss is built into Spider-Man as a story at its core. Look where everything starts: Peter, an established orphan, losing his uncle to violence. Right from the very beginning, we have an established loss. Then those losses add up: his parents, Uncle Ben, George Stacy, Gwen Stacy. Later, Harry Osborn, his and Mary Jane’s child, his clone Ben Reilly. Loss is embedded into the story on such a deep level that I think when you remove it, you ultimately remove Spider-Man’s identity itself, which has always been part of my complaint about the total refusal to even reference Uncle Ben within Spider-Man: Homecoming. And while I may love The Amazing Spider-Man 2′s retelling of The Night Gwen Stacy died as an adaptation, I also totally understand why some people might not want to watch a movie that ends in a young woman’s brutal death. As much as I joke that everyone deserves a version of their favorite problematic comics death, I also know not everybody wants that, or even has a favorite comics death scene. But when it comes to Spider-Man as a story and a narrative, I do think loss is an important piece of the puzzle. Take it away, and you end up with a less meaningful and human story. So no, ultimately, as much as I love the original scene in part because it’s so painful and haunting, I don’t think you need to kill Gwen to insure a 616-esque character development and emotional journey for Peter, but I do think you need to have him suffer a loss of the same magnitude if you’re invested in keeping the character on the same or on a similar track. But those are just my personal feelings on the story, and I do feel this is a topic where personal feelings are a make or break king of deal, and that not everyone is a slut for fictional tragedy, so I think this is very much a case that’s up to personal interpretation.

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Discourse of Sunday, 21 March 2021

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(2/2) third, my abridged thoughts on skins are on the newest post of my blog. i don't know what goes down with naomily yet, but it can't be worse than what little i've seen of cook. he seems like a complete dickhead lol.

I just read your Skins post and I’m going to insert it below (I hope you don’t mind), so that I can discuss my thoughts here: 

i’m watching the naomily storyline from skins since i remember seeing a few of their scenes when i was in high school and i really enjoyed them. that said, it’s also reminded me of why i never watched skins outside of the first like…3 episodes…before this. skins was clearly written by adults who have literally no idea how teenagers act in real life. every character (except for naomi and emily) is like the worst person possible for shock value. it’s not like teens don’t talk openly about sex and drugs–look at teen shows like skam or derry girls for realistic portrayals of teen life. but something about skins just feels exploitative for the sake of it while touting itself as a ~real~ teen drama and the dissonance is really uncomfortable. also i’ve only seen cook in like 3 scenes so far and i want him dead.

It’s interesting to read your thoughts about Skins. I can imagine that as an adult Skins comes across as very gross and OTT. Part of the reason I love it is because I watched it as a teen and it impacted me greatly. It was one of the first shows I watched as a teenager where I genuinely related to the characters and their struggles. For that reason, I have to disagree with you.

Skins is very a problematic show, there’s no denying that, but I think it’s a very authentic glimpse into the way a lot teenagers live. This may come down to cultural and individual differences, but my experiences growing up as a teen in the UK was similiar to Skins. Parts of the show are obviously exaggerated for entertainment and dramatic effect, but overall, it’s one of the only shows that I feel explores the lives of teenagers in such an in-depth way. It provides an intimate look at the characters lives; we see their lives at college, at home and with their friends. It tackles mental health, eating disorders, brain injury, homophobia, coming out, loss, break-ups, relationships, sex, drugs, faith, crime, abandonment, divorce, teen pregnancy, abortion, disability, young carers, stalking and more. It covers so many topics that other teen shows fail to. Admittedly, it doesn’t always explore these topics in the best way, but for the most part I think it does a good job at looking into these issues.

A lot of the Skins characters are unlikeable, but with time they grow on you. Cook is a prime example. I started out hating Cook, but the more I learned about him the more I came to sympathise with him. He’s actually one of my all time favourite Skins characters. Is he a cliche? Sure, but so are most of the characters on the show. They’re also the exact types of people that I’ve known and met throughout my life. Each and every character is damaged or broken in some way and that shapes the people they are and how they behave. I don’t want to spoil you for anything since you’re right at the start of season 3, but each and every character is explored more as the episodes progress so that you understand their motivations and emotions. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll like them any more, but it may change your perspective slightly. The fact that so many of the Skins characters are unlikeable (particularly when you’re first introduced to them) is exactly what makes them so great, in my opinion. They’re not sugar coated or written with the intention of being liked, they’re real - they make mistakes, act like dickheads, hurt others, lash out, party hard, behave selfishly, lie and cheat. My advice would be to not judge them as adults, but as teenagers, because that’s what they are. They act grown up and sometimes it’s easy to see them as being older than they are, but they’re 17 years old (and most of them have only just turned 17). They’re at that period in their life where they’ve just left high school and everything is different; they’re trying to make it in the big wide world and to be adults but everything is heightened and difficult and messy, and they all have demons and personal issues that impact on them. 

So whilst I completely understand and respect your perspective, I’d maybe try to be a little more open minded, particularly when it comes to the characters. The intended audience for Skins has never and will never be adults, so you’re bound to view it in very differently than I do as someone that did watch it as a teen. If I watched it for the first time now I dread to think what my opinion on it would be lmao. I’d probably wind up hating it, to be honest. 

Regardless, I hope you enjoy watching Naomily’s journey in season 3 and find some enjoyment in the show overall. I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts as you continue your watch!

[ileolai]

rambling thoughts on Bill

I kind of wish we had more scenes with Moira + Bill, or at least Missy + Bill, bc really... that stuff is the actual core of Bill’s story. All the focus on Heather in the first episode seems to set up the series as a love story/journey to find Heather, when overall, as a series, it’s actually about Bill’s fundamental anxiety about her identity and being ignored.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very relevant and important to the story arc, but that’s probably a whole different meta analysis.

So anyway...  Moira and Bill. Moira isn’t necessarily a bad foster-parent, but her relationship with Bill is rather cold for someone who should be taking care of her on that level. She doesn’t seem to hear anything Bill says, she doesn’t really see Bill for who she actually is. You don’t really get the sense that Moira has a whole lot of parent-y instincts for Bill, right? She’s more like a room-mate who happens to live with her. I actually assumed that’s what she was, for a moment, when we very first meet her.

Bill keeps blatantly signalling stuff like ‘’uh btw I’m a lesbian’’, and Moira just doesn’t hear it. It goes right over her head, not because she’s a terrible homophobe or doesn’t care about Bill or anything like that, but because she doesn’t seem to actually listen. She didn’t even know there were pictures of Bill’s biological mother around in the house [I mean yes, the Doctor altered the timeline by putting them there, but on a metaphorical level, that says something about how wrapped up she is in her own stuff, to miss these details about Bill’s life] and she doesn’t seem to grasp how important they are to Bill? She just like, ‘’oh yeah, we have photos of your dead mom btw.’’ and Bill has to deal with that by herself.

Moira is not alone in this issue however. The Doctor doesn’t really hear Bill either. He loves her, he’s fascinated by her intelligence and wants to see the potential of that, but he also just sort of walks all over her emotions, and Bill has no real defenses against that. He’s dismissive of Bill’s very real fears of Missy-- and I mean, he’s technically being honest in the fact that he can’t promise her eternal life, but that’s not really what Bill needs to hear at that moment. That’s not what she’s really asking for.

Now how Missy is relevant to this... Missy is like, the symbolic stand-in for Bill’s foster mom’s issues, yes? She’s the ‘’wicked stepmother, hisss’’ as the Doctor paints her in series 9, and overall she’s tied into all this imagery around [super] dysfunctional parenting. So it’s technically her doing, what happened to Bill, although she doesn’t consciously remember doing it. She seems to remember it subconsciously, because her residual guilt and fits of tears become apparent soon after she meets Bill, but she's never really seen Bill as anything more than a means to an end, or a ‘’function’’.

So these two are both responsible for how Bill ends up as a Cyberman. Both in a literal sense, because the Doctor made a series of terrible errors, and Missy actually did it, and in a metaphorical sense -- Bill’s underlying, consuming fear is that nobody sees her or listens to her, so she’s been stripped of her identity, her emotional expressions, and made mute. She has to look up her own name in the Cyberman wifi-cloud or whatever, like she doesn’t remember it. Although there’s some hope in the fact she seems to be able to override the circuit emotionally and so she retains that aspect of her self.

So Bill is like, the kid in the center of a relationship between two parents trying to patch up a divorce or something, yes? Who can’t get their shit together long enough to properly notice her, the Doctor and Missy standing in for that, as representations for that.

Sooo... the Heather stuff, although lovely in terms of queer representation and very very relevant to the overall story on a different level, isn’t really what Bill needs to resolve... she needs to make herself seen and heard, she needs both the Doctor and Missy to properly acknowledge her, to really properly empathize with her, to claim her identity back.

I’m assuming, I’m hoping, desperately, that she gets that moment, because it will be an absolute disaster if she doesn’t, on a narrative level, as well as in terms of... you know, the implications of a queer black companion being denied that triumph. Danny got his resolution over his ambivalence towards being a soldier and went out in a blaze of glory at the same time, but... Bill needs more than that, I think. She deserves more. As a companion and as a black, queer woman.

On a semi-related note: this is why I’m thoroughly fed up with all the stuff about how ‘’the companions should stay dead’’ because ‘’consequences’’. That is just bullshit, and particularly here, in this storyline. Denying Bill her self-actualization, her moment of heroism over both her real and subtextual terrors and physical predicament, would be the worst, most anti-climactic, and dishonest cop-out this storyline could possibly take, and I really hope Moffat would have more writerly integrity than that. 

I’m hopeful, because this is like... the same dude that refused to punish Clara for her Doctorly aspirations, and actually gave her a TARDIS and quasi-immortality and an ending tied inextricably to Gallifrey and really sort of made her the first lady Doctor, prioritizing groundwork for an actual female Doctor over some boring pathos about death.... But... digressing now. I’m still anxious for Bill. I hope, I hope, I hope the Doctor isn’t alone and howling into the Arctic wind at the end because they decided to sacrifice the resolution Bill’s story demands, what the audience actually deserves, for his moment of angst.

[spacefunclubs]

fuck man, ya know what, I'm gonna go on a mini rant about the r&m fandom, excuse me:

It's funny.

It's so fucking funny.

Y'all waited over a year and a half for season 3 and bitched at Justin and Dan nonstop on Twitter, just literally BEGGING them to give you guys the new season, and once they FINALLY give you what you've wanted for SO DAMN LONG, what do you do?

You bitch.

You FUCKING. BITCH.

"Oh, the new season sucks cause it's written by women!!11! They're focusing too much on the divorce!!11!!1! Pickle Rick sucked cause it focused too much on the boring family therapy scenes!!11!!1! It doesn't have a complex storyline!!1!!"

That's what I hear from your bitch ass. And you know what? Y'all are ungrateful little shits.

Everyone in the R&M team busted their ass off to give you guys what you've always wanted, and THIS is how you repay them?? Give me a fucking break.

First off, anyone who bitches that the new season is awful just cause most of the writing staff behind it thus far are women need to fucking grow up. Plain and simple. Hate to sound political, but women are as creative as men are, so sit your misogynist/sexist ass back down.

Secondly, the show has ALWAYS had a B-plot related to the family. I can imagine most of you rewatching the first two seasons and COMPLETELY missing that point cause "WAHOO!!! EXCITING R&M ADVENTURES, YYAAA! WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB!!11!!1!" (and y'all call yourselves "smart" after watching it and shame anyone that doesn't have the "required IQ" that R&M needs to watch it, lel) The show always follow the A-plot following Rick and Morty (or just Rick or Rick, Morty + Summer) having an adventure, while the B-plot is pretty much watching Beth and Jerry's marriage falling apart (or just related to family all together). Plus NOT THE ENTIRE SEASON is about the divorce. Sure, it was mentioned in the second + third episodes of this season, but it's pretty much half and half/a reoccurring theme, and everyone that keeps bitching about it needs to remember about the A and B plot discussion mentioned earlier.

Third, you DO know that not EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CARTOON airing right now doesn't need to be as complex as Steven Universe/Gravity Falls/every single fucking anime out there (unlessyou'respacedandy+pantyandstocking), right? Rick and Morty is a show that doesn't take itself seriously (but does when needed), and yes, most likely some of the themes are gonna come back this season (Tammy + Phoenix Person), but again, it doesn't necessarily follow an overreaching storyline like the examples mentioned earlier. It learns how to have fun while having its limits, and I think that's what y'all are missing when you bitch about it "not having a complex storyline" (plus ironic people bitching about the divorce being a central theme to season three also bitch about this too, like.. you're playing yourself??)

Overall, this fandom has to be the most two-faced fandom I have ever seen in my life. You guys got yourself too overhyped about this season, hence why you're always bitching about it 24/7 (and even go as far as harassing the R&M crew about it on Twitter makes it even more cringey). Just enjoy what they give you, and if you don't like it, that's fine. But DON'T FUCKING BITCH ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME WHEN IT BECOMES UNBEARABLE.

[freshadventures]

so i started watching Father is Strange recently, and while there is a long list of problematic stuff that I really wish wasn’t featured in this drama (fat suits/fatshaming and normalizing male aggression as an acceptable form of courtship come immediately to mind), there’s also a lot of stuff that i absolutely adore. spoilers and stuff below the cut

 since i just finished episode 12 (yoo joo is introduced to joon yeong’s family), and this is typically about the point in a family drama that either makes it or breaks it for me, in terms of characterization and general direction of plot line, i wanted to take a second to write about this drama has done really well so far, as a reminder for myself if shit hits the fan later on (probably starting with the episode i’m about to watch lmao), and maybe for anybody else if they end up reading this.

so what is father is strange doing so well that i feel compelled to stop my marathon watching and write a very messy tumblr post about it? the character writing is off the charts.

the characterization of every single character is unlike anything i’ve ever seen in a weekend drama, and maybe in any drama.  Sure, the usual tropes are there, especially as it relates to weekend makjang dramas, but they’re executed in a way that is so deeply satisfying.

the main three characters i’m going to gush about here are hye yeong, yoo joo, and bok nyeo.

first off, hye yeong:  as the eldest sister in the main family, and as a successful attorney, hye yeong’s character is already at risk of being written as a one-dimensional “cold woman” whose character development is confined to being melted and molded into someone warm and docile. so many dramas have the sucessful daughter from a poor background character, who resents her family and clings to her success as a lifeline to divorce herself from her background, and ultimately everyone around her.  but hye yeong doesn’t do that at all. 

In one of our first scenes getting to know her, she’s on a coffee date with a (girl!!!) friend, deliberating with said (girl!!!) friend about whether she should avoid a reunion, and by extension her ex, or if she should go and show that she’s fine, regardless of past relationships.  Already this character is subverting our expectations of what characters from her particular trope are supposed to be like. in most dramas, such a successful woman wouldn’t be shown having such earnest interactions, at least not at the onset of the show.  but hye yeong is allowed to be successful!!! and!!! caring!!!!!  she lives at home despite the fact that it means over an hour commute, and despite the fact that she’s approaching her midthirites, but she’s not bitter about it. sure she shows tough love to her siblings (telling mi yeong to work with her bully, and repeatedly telling joon yeong to Nut Up) but she truly believes that she’s helping them.  More than that, she wants to help them.  

and while i hate the way they started the relationship b/w her and jung hwan, i love so many of the slight alterations to the tropes embodied in their relationship.  for starters, we’ve got the “younger girl who adores older girl’s boyfriend and makes very obvious overtures” thing going on (which is its own brand of yucky which should be discussed but is not the point of this post), but there’s very little catfighting.  So often this trope is used for drama in the sense that the older woman is supposed to be awful to the younger woman, or to issue an ultimatum to the boyfriend, or there’s a misunderstanding where the boyfriend thinks the older woman was mean to the younger woman and they spend episodes trapped in this needless issue that really should be resolved pretty easily via communication or just breaking up for god’s sake.  but that doesn’t happen here.  hye yeong is uncomfortable with (and yes a little jealous of) the coworker, but she tells!!! jung hwan!!! instead of just letting it fester!!!!  and jung hwan understands!!!!! and even though there is a moment of “you told the Other Woman the Thing before Me” it’s used as a way to move forward, establishing new rules for communication, rather than as a roadblock that impedes any future progress

and then she’s got the whole monster-in-law thing with his mom, which he doesn’t know about (and neither does the mom, interestingly), which is ( or appears to be) the reason she broke up with him eight years ago.  and i can’t put this one into words because it’s still very much developing but i love how the resetting of this trope fits in with the resetting of the ‘coldest oldest daughter” trope.  generally, these two tropes would collide in a way that would look something like “i was fine being from a poor family but then i fell in love with you and your mom was an asshole about it and then i had to break up with you and Make Something of Myself so now i’m bitter and i avoid emotions at all costs because deep down i’m afraid i’ll be rejected again”  but not here.

Instead, we get the (selectively) warm, but admittedly guarded hye yeong taking the past heartbreak and using it to say “no one like you is going to push me around anymore”. and maybe the people around her don’t know it, because she doesn’t open up that often, and she seems so strong, but she really needs someone to be on her side unconditionally, the way she is trying to be for them.  and that’s why in this past episode it was so heartbreaking to see her break-up convo with jung hwan.  not b/c i necessarily like him or them as a couple, but because she’s so obviously just looking for him to say that he thinks his mother was in the wrong, and that he’s willing to fight for her mother.  and he gets that, but because she’s guarded about the past and her feelings, he doesn’t know that this is really an echo of eight years ago, and that hye yeong is looking at this situation as a way of determining how much he really loves and cares for her.

in a (hopefully) more expedient manner, i also adore the characters of yoo joo and bok nyeo for their quiet subversions of their traditionally villainous roles.  In most kdramas, and especially in weekend makjangs, villains are only allowed to be one thing: evil.  sure there are a few instances where a character starts out as a villain and becomes good (or starts out good and becomes evil), and sometimes we get a little backstory as to Why They’re Like That, but we dono’t really get to see them be anything other than a villain /while/ they’re being a villain. but yoo joo and bok nyeo aren’t villains in everything they do. they certainly do awful, villainy things, but they are also heros in their own stories. if you subtract mi yeong from her storyline, yoo joo is just a hard worker who is trying to figure out her future with her boyfriend, and while she felt betrayed that joon yeong lied (or misled) about his background, she didn’t leave him, which shows that she’s not just a gold digger.  she honestly seems to love him.  similarly, bok nyeo is a little dumb, and is honestly an Ass to her tenants and her son’s girlfriend, but at home, she is doing her best.  she just wants to raise her son well, and to have a happy life with her husband.  to the at byeon family, she is a villain who causes the heros’ stress, but at home, she is the hero who needs vindication, and her husband is the one who needs an asskicking.

idek i’ve been rambling forever and have said almost nothing, but i just rlly love these characters and wanted to immortalize that before the writing inevitably ruins several of the things i love about them