#4 minutes ep 4

[istanchan]

I cannot get over Great/Bible in this scene—

(credits to @jimmysea for the beautiful gif)

He looks so so pretty. Just the way his hair slightly curls around his cheek. The way his eyes are slightly damp and idk if they put eyeliner on him but they look so sultry. His jewelry too also suits him so well and adds to the overall soft nature of his character and the scene.

IT MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP HES SO GOD DAMN BEAUTIFUL.

Bible also has the best micro expressions and the way he’s able to portray pleasure in the scene has me feeling all sorts of emotions.

JES ALSO, oh my god he IS SOO FINE. And his acting in this scene is just amazing. He looks so smitten and endeared. And finding out that the nose kiss was improvised makes me love it even more.

I think they contrast each other so well. They are a truly stunning pair. Their chemistry is off the charts!!

I feel like I’ve committed the whole 10 minutes of the scene to my memory, it was just too good. I need to see the two a lot more in the next 4 episodes because after waiting two years to see Bible on screen I fear this is not enough!!! I need more 🥲🥲

[wetndwildsstuff]

OMG GUYS. sammon confirmed that the nose kissing/biting wasn't scripted.... It was improvised.

This makes me giggle....

No wonder it looked so natural..

[having-conniptions]

Okay maybe I'm stating the obvious here but of course nothing that Great changes actually changes irl because this is not time travel it's his life flashing before his eyes it's him reliving these events within his own memory but with loads of "what if"s that his brain lets him explore

So no one he saved was actually saved. He's living in a changed memory, but it's not having any real impact on what happened.

Dome is Tonkla's brother, the first body that the police found. His head bashed in with a rock by Title. The second body must be Title who got his head bashed in by a vengeful Tonkla. We never saw this happen from Great's perspective because in Great's changed timeline Dome survives and Tonkla has no reason to kill Title. We're seeing one timeline from Great's perspective, and another one from Tonkla's.

Although we also can't ignore that Tonkla had this little hallucination of his brother coming home, almost as if the timelines were colliding. For now my theory is that this is still not Great's near-death experience impacting reality, but rather the moment Tonkla's story somehow becomes relevant to Great's memories, the moment Tonkla is also included in Great's hallucinated timeline - him seeing/hearing Dome for a moment might signify a switch (in storytelling) between timelines, meaning from now on we might see Tonkla's story in Great's timeline instead of in the real one or maybe we'll even see both

[alarmsofmyheart]

I can't help but feel sorry for every single character in today's episode, not you Great, you sure are having a Great Tyme.

The last time I was this giggly happy about a fiction couple name was actually Guitar Solo from the Oxygen series.

[tinycowboybro]

watching everyone have really cool thought out theories after this ep when all that’s rattling in my brain is the community episode with the evil timeline because of a single chain reaction lmao

(^tonkla experiencing insane horrors in this dark timeline and deciding to roll with it by fucking the cop)

[blue-grama]

just reading the tags on gifsets of all the NC scenes in 4 Minutes ep 4 with my coffee like they’re the Saturday morning newspaper

[hughungrybear]

Korn didn't even asked Ton Kla why he has been calling non-stop the past few days. He just went straight to stripping and forced kissing. The fuck.

[red-hibiscus]

There was a lot of Tonkla this episode. I'm not upset but I am confused

[mirabella96]

4 minutes ep 4

shock value

remember when I wrote they were not embarassing? you are now Great

Tyme your attitude !!!

were they waiting for this train

oh OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

dear god is this ep an olymic games at causing me second hand embarassment?

oh my he did move in

is Ton Kla playing 6D chess

or is this Ton Kla world we just live in

I am not complaining I am just slightly suprised how much attention is on him

oh sacred naivity

so it's not like Great has a bad relationship with his brother but he JUST because trust Tyme (it's not just because it bc of sex visions cluding his mind) - it just feels like we are missing a step there

I did not suspect that Great is a character without braincells but maybe he actually is

I think I am like stress laughing right now

this is so wholesome i am blushing like a young lady

oh my were the purpose of prevoius sex scenes a juxtaposition for this one

like no one is suprised that he is his brother

[tbhimnoteasyonmyself]

4 Minutes Theory:

The 4th Dimension & the 6th

Hello. My name is Dante and I am officially overwhelmed.

This series is a lot.

I need to wake up at 7AM tomorrow.

Let's fucking do this.

What the Fuck is Happening Here????

I could start many ways bc, frankly, there is so much that could potentially be said about this series BUT, for lack of a better start, I will start from the begining: Great and Tyme are both dying.

This is the beginning and end of everything we see in this series. It's the beginning bc it's the very 1st thing we see; the end bc this is, possibly, the end of their stories, of their lives; and the beginning again bc it is through death (or possible death) that Great gets a

(thank you Viperion) Second Chance!

"But how?", you ask. "Didn't Lukwa explain that the human brain can't go more than 4 minutes without oxygen and that's why people that lose oxygen in their brain experience weird shit while without it sometimes?

Yes and she is absolutely correct. But I also bring you a different fact that you should consider: Life Review. Life Review is nothing more than what people in near-death experiences (and, therefore, assumed to also happen with people that do, in fact, die) report happening sometimes: that they see their whole life flash before their eyes.

"Okay, Dante, but why does this matter?" Because, in fact, Life Review is not a review, my dears. Or rather, it is, if you can't alter the circumstances that led to your death but, for those who succeed, Life Review is in fact: a Second Chance!

And that, my fellow Bas' titty enjoyers and associates, is exactly why, as @tamtuliko pointed out in this post, the time that Great keeps seeing on the clock advances slowly as the episodes go by: in the present timeline (I could call it the future, I know, but I won't because it's not a hypothetical and I feel like, if what we're seeing was triggered by it than it has to be the current state of affairs and not the next state of affairs) time is going by normally and, if the rule of the 4 minutes is correct, then past Great has exactly 2 minutes of the present timeline (which I'm not sure how much time is for him in the past in Life Review mode, tbh, but maybe a few weeks or a whole month) to fix the things that went wrong and correct the situation.

So What Are We Watching?

3 different things, actually: 2 pasts and 1 present, all belonging to DIFFERENT timelines.

Which? I'll explain.

Present

Let's start with the present, shall we? That's the easiest one and also the beginning so it's better.

The present is simply the timeline where things already took several turns south and Great is in the ER, going into cardiac arrest and Tyme is being shot to death in what appears to be somewhere near the casino warehouses.

This is the timeline we see before the opening AND BEFORE THE OPENING ONLY.

And that's why we see Tonkla kill someone and a body show up (he found out it was Title or he thought it was someone else and got revenge. no, I don't think he killed his brother. I believe the stone Win found is the 2nd stone, not the 1st and so the victim's blood is the second victim's, as they state there is, not the first, and the reason why Win looks so upset at the news is bc now, just like Tonkla had told him, justice has not worked out and Tonkla took justice into his own hands and became a murderer).

But also why Win is still on the case there and not in Past 1 (I'll explain this better down there when I get into Past 1, I promise).

So, basically, his timeline is, let's say, the OG. This is where everything comes from. This is not to say that there couldn't naturally be other timelines that exist without the time-travel but we're not seeing any of those so far so idc. What I care for is that this timeline is the reason why the other 2 pasts exist.

Past 1 (The Seemingly Bad Past)

Now, this timeline had us all fooled thinking it was the OG timeline's past but just going on at the same time as the other timeline's past so we could compare them live.

But, lo and behold, this is not that timeline. No. Why? Easy. Tonkla.

See, Tonkla, whatever he's got going on his fucked up little brain (besides the need to use barebacking sex as a coping mechanism), is seeing things. Things he was not supposed to be seeing.

We couldn't possibly know that in episode 1 but, matter of fact, he's already doing that then. When? When he sees his very dead cat. (shout-out to @themundanedumpling for spotting that here bc I didn't make the connection but upon seeing their post, it clicked)

Which we know is dead because this is the same timeline where we see him have a flashback to how he and Korn met so this adorable little fella over there (PLS LET ME PET IT) is positively 6ft under. Ain't no way he's alive and kicking.

Which does beg the question, what timeline is it where this cat is still alive, since we have to reason to believe any of the timelines we're watching have him there chilling, still but hey. It's not important for now.

What's important is that: Great's time-traveling is causing the timelines (and not just the ones we know!) to bleed into each other and certain people (apparently only Tonkla so far but it could extend to other people in the future, idk) are becoming aware of that. The biggest evidence being now Tonkla hearing his brother in a timeline where he's dead (which again is Tonkla seeing creatures that should be dead. idk what that means yet but we should note that).

And THIS is why this is not the OG timeline's past but rather that past under the influence of Great's Life Review abilities. Which means, while Great is actively altering the OG timeline and creating a different one, the OG timeline has already branched on its own as a side effect of his actions (as seen by Win being put off the case, for example), which might cause him issues bc, if the OG timeline is no longer the OG timeline, then... Do the events that even led him to Life Review even happen like they did? Can Great even be altering the timeline right now? Idk tbh but we should look out for this possible paradox, I believe.

Past 2.0 (The Seemingly Good Past)

This is, again, pretty obvious. This is the past but with Great's active changes of the timeline (and possibly the timeline where Tyme also retain some of the memories of his present self from the OG timeline who's dying in the middle of nowhere, Thailand. but that I'll leave to a different post where maybe I'll analyse why he is so fucking odd and seems to be taking time travel and fucking the son of the guy who killed your parents in a light-hearted fashion).

(I love this scene is so FUCKING CUTE, fight me)

And What Does This All Mean??

Well, though the concept itself might be complex, here for us it's actually very simple bc other ppl have already explained the concept: instead of just being a series where the 4th dimension (time) is played with like we might've initially thought, the series is going further by tackling and toying with the concept of the 6th dimension:

the hypothetical space dimension through which all other dimensions can be seen and accessed and it would, theoredically, be possible to make them collide. Or, in this series, this place:

Which is not exactly a physical place but also isn't not a physical place (?) and that can only be accessed by people that are experiencing the 4th dimension (time) in an extremely weird way.

"Okay, Dante, but this doesn't change much, does it?" Of course it does!

When it is possible for different timelines to glitch into each other, it's not hard to imagine they could, if given the right (or wrong, whichever way you wanna see it, you choose) push, merge.

And, when people have access to interacting direclty with an entirely different, seemingly unstable dimension of reality, who's to say what kind of damage it does to people? Or whether or not anyone can be stuck viewing it forever?

What I'm saying is: we know there is weirdness unfolding with time but let's not forget there's a medical aspect to this story, let's not forget what the actual consequences of interacting with the 6 dimension directly might be to the people doing it.

So What Did We Learn?

That our actions have consequences!

No, but literally, actually. This series is about the consequences of people's actions and butterfly effects and not just in the obvious way but also in the way that our actions also change things we don't even know about (the timelines we don't even know exist) and, quite frankly, can't really control.

But really, more into the lore, I think what we have to think about is what we think will result of this and, frankly, I don't know. I have no idea. Great could change the present and save everyone, Great could fail. The timelines could collide, they could merge, they could change each other... I honestly can't tell what it's gonna be but I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be a happy one. I expect this to be a Greek tragidy, in all honest. And a classic one at that: one where even though the characters have access to the future, the nature of people cannot be changed and date cannot be defeated.

BUT HEY THAT'S JUST A THEORY, A GAY THEORY! sdksjdkdjksdj

Final Thoughts

So yeah, idk... It's not a very complex theory or anything but Ig I needed to organize my thoughts and I decided to do that in public for everyone to watch sjdsjdhsjdhs.

Feel free to add and comment and discuss this here in the comments or in the reblogs, I really wanna know more what the fandom is thinking and interact with more people!

I had a great time (pun intended) back when DFF was airing and it's actually the reason why my discord gc was created and I met the lovely people in it... I really want this to be an amazing experience for everyone again!

Anyways... I'll see you on a next theory, maybe.

All the love 💜💜💜

[alarmsofmyheart]

Introvert gays for the win ✊🏾

introvert boyfriends fighting like 😶😶

[istanchan]

Okay so I’m now even more convinced that we still the kiss scene and nc scene in episode 4 between Great and Tyme isn’t really their first kiss or encounter.

I’m pretty sure this scene is.

In this scene Great asks Tyme if he’s following him. I’m assuming this is where they first talk in the previous timeline.

Also we still have yet to watch this scene.

Judging by Tyme and Great’s facial expression I think this might be the first time they have sex.

In episode 4 Tyme looks completely in love and smitten and that just doesn’t really make sense since they barely know each other.

BUT in this frame Tyme looks a lot more apprehensive, as he’s probably willingly having sex with the child of his parents killer without knowing much about him. Great in the previous timeline doesn’t save Nan or Dome and doesn’t even know anything about his family’s business.

The sex looks a lot more intense and the motivation is most likely not affection. Maybe Tyme has sex with Great to get information out of him, without Great being aware. This would match with the OSTs theme of betrayal as well.

[wetndwildsstuff]

4 minutes because the main couple having the screentime of 4 minutes, so true😭

[wolfienation]

"when did agatha realize he's wanda's son?"

in that moment. in that very last moment. excellent face acting by kathryn hahn because you see the second the pieces click into place. what pieces are those?

he's powerful enough to break a spell cast by the scarlet witch. he knew exactly where to find her in westview, which he would know because billy was right there when wanda cast the spell. in this episode he is able to say the name nicholas scratch further confirming rio's statement "that boy isn't yours". and, in that last scene, he very much sounds like a naive hero, which was how agatha viewed wanda for the majority of wandavision. he says he doesn't want to be that kind of witch, he doesn't want to hurt people, he doesn't want to kill anyone to further his own agenda.

and in that last moment, her behavior shifts because he's no longer just this kid she has been looking out for. he's wanda's son.

[alarmsofmyheart]

Tyme has the best rizz ever. I can't accept all the Tyme has zero rizz/awkward flirt/introvert flirt etc etc.. I dont want to keep quite anymore. From amongst all the doctor gays I've seen in any media I've consumed, and from the real life surgeons I've worked under, TYME HAS THE BEST RIZZ. I kept typing and deleting this. Because obviously, I didn't want to communicate and my opinion really doesn't matter. And there's hella lota things happening in the show, but

- TYME FORCEFULLY GETTING GREAT'S CASESHEETS FROM THE NURSE TO TREAT GREAT WHO IS HAVING LIKE ONE VISIBLE WOUND WHEN TYME BEING (I GUESS) THIRD YEAR RESIDENT, NOT AN ER SURGEON ITS NONE OF HIS BUISNESS (There are interns as the nurse said, calm down sir nvm thank you for your empathetic enthusiastic service)

- TYME TUCKING IN HIS SCRUBS BEFORE GOING TO SEE PATIENT GREAT (internally screaming since the day I saw that clip/episode, surgeons atleast any single one I know don't fucking tuck in their scrubs, at least not in my country, UNLESS ITS SOME VERY IMPORTANT SUPERIOR COMING OR MEETING THEM like health ministry people checking the quality at hospital etc aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaass so Tyme tucking in his shirt before seeing Great is so important to me atleast)

- TYME KNOWING HIS FULL NAME, i don't really know how it is in hospitals in Thailand, do they use their full long names or both the nickname and full name, but either way, TYME KNOWING HIS FULL NAME AND HIM TELLING HE KNEW IT FROM THE BOUQUET (instead of the case sheet which is what I expected) was sexy

- TYME TELLING HIM TO COME BACK TO HIMSELF FOR SUTURE REMOVAL BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONE WHO SUTURED IT (bombastic side eye) (WHAT A FLIRT!!!!! SIR YOU JUST MET HIM)

are infact some top quality rizz and quality realistic writing(atleast to me).

I don't consider Tyme putting himself between Great's legs/leaning in while examining the wound as rizz, it's obviously unethical, there's no need to compare reality with fiction but still I'm most of the time a boring person. So I don't mention that in the list. Rest of that happenings were pure pure flirty cutey pie thing.

Did the rizz work on Great? Yes. That's all that matters.

Also I'm posting this now because I didn't have Tumblr account till two days ago. Anyway what an episode today!!!!

Sad. Fucked up. Happy.

Not just the characters but Timeline is not straight as well. 😌

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Also it's nice of them whoever from production editor writer cast whoever decided to spell TYME as T Y M E instead of T I M E because they all know we be writing time time time multiple times in our meta/posts and it kinda easily seperates the character name and the entity of time, probably plays an part in trending hashtags etc etc. but great decision.

[wanderlust-in-my-soul]

Wanna give it a go?