#1) every time it's about someone who *isn't* pro-israel and/or *is* pro-palestine:

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every so often i think about how if i ever make a post or something that blows up, i'll immediately be harassed en masse by people claiming i'm a zionist

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the worst part about the i/p discourse

it's NOT the posters of Nazis with the swastikas on their flags replaced by stars of david. or the pages and pages of blood libel conspiracy theories in instagram posts about why local pride organizers are such big meanies. or the newfound insistence that jews just exaggerate and make up antisemitic incidents to smear the pro-palestine movement....

it's the fact that every. single. time. i try to post anything about any of these things, i end up in a rabbit hole SO DEEP IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM.

Yesterday, I saw a --

YOU SEE? I went to Reddit for a second to find the link to the post about the Melbourne protest this week that had people carrying the Nazi-star-of-David posters. But first, I saw a post that began, "All I see on social media and the news is more and more attacks. Who beat up a Jewish family here, who stabbed a 1 year old in front of a synagouge. Those are two examples, I've lost track of all of the other ones."

and I was like, SOMEONE STABBED A ONE YEAR OLD IN FRONT OF A SYNAGOGUE?!?!

And I started to look that up. AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Two days ago, I saw an article about Cincinnati Socialists setting up a table at North Kentucky Pride without asking, it sounds like, to hand out flyers saying the war in Gaza was Netanyahu's "Final Solution" for Palestinians. Cincinnati Pride organizers alerted the NKY Pride organizers, who kicked them out.

I was like, "okay, well, let's see what Cincinnati Socialists say about it." Then I discovered that their instagram not only "names and shames" the two Cincy Pride organizers and one NKY organizer. Which led to the Cincy ones getting so much harassment and violent threats that they resigned....

But also has a related post that goes on for pages and pages of pure blood libel.

So then I sat there fact-checking all their blood libel and finding out that not only was it untrue and impossible, but half the stuff they referenced didn't even exist.

Then I ended up fact-checking things in the "article" that they'd clearly used as their source. Fact-checking things I found while fact-checking those.

Trying to write a Facebook post about how fucked up it all was. Giving up on the Facebook post after several hours because it made more sense to write it on Tumblr, or at least to write it on Tumblr FIRST.

Then I'm also looking at the post they made "naming and shaming" the organizers, which is like... "the Cincy ones are partners! two days after Hamas's incredibly violent and brutal massacre, one of them changed his profile picture to a photo of them honeymooning IN ISRAEL two years ago! they did it through some group that COVERS A LOT OF THE COSTS FOR HONEYMOONS IN ISRAEL!!!!" and "the other one went to a protest of Hamas's massacre!!! with a sign saying to free the hostages!!!"

oh no. the fucking horror. truly how did these genocidal monsters even end up on the pride organizing committee. this is a shanda scandal.

then I'm responding to people's comments, trying to talk them down from horrible positions. telling people things like, "I know it's asking a LOT, but if people could grasp the idea that "going to Israel for your honeymoon" ISN'T "committing genocide," it would be really great. Or that wanting the hostages freed is actually something that both Israeli AND GAZAN protests have called for, and it's only Westerners who are opposed to it. Or that in fact, saying you "Stand with Israel," a few days after an incredibly brutal attack that burned multiple towns to the ground in one day, killed entire families and their pets, an attack which Hamas has promised to repeat "again and again and again" till Israel is violently destroyed... is opposing that attack, NOT calling for genocide."

then i'm like, "oh, i should edit these images to show the correct info, and i can explain that I drew arrows and added the correct info!" so then i'm doing that and working on writing alt text, and holy shit??? how many fucking hours??? did i spend on this?????? just because i read a frigging reddit post that linked to an article about it?????????

and like. i can go through and debunk all that shit in the comments. (and did. i responded to every single comment that believed this shit.) but ultimately, everyone who pulls this shit has way more reach than I do.

just. like. THAT'S ONE ORG IN ONE PLACE. And it was bad enough that I persevered and finished debunking it and commenting on it today and started telling people about it. Do you even know how many more of those I've seen?! How many I would see if I looked for them on purpose?!

The tsunami of deliberate disinformation is SO FUCKING BAD. All of it is SO FUCKING LAYERED. In any single bullshit post, there are SO MANY horrifically bad and wrong assumptions. So many of them are DESIGNED, BY HAMAS, to lead people down the path to "All Zionists should die! Israel should be violently destroyed!"

There were so many comments on a "Free Palestine Melbourne" group's instagram post (Sydney? Could've been Sydney) asking, pointedly, how many Jews are Zionists. What percentage of Jews are Zionists, again?

One (1) had a response telling them it doesn't matter what the percentage is, no percentage would justify collective punishment of Jews.

The rest all said things like, "Too many."

It feels like constantly being lied to. Just constantly being lied to about things I have looked up and verified myself from solid sources, now and in the past, by people I counted as my community.

Then just now I opened Instagram because I hadn't taken screenshots of a couple of the pics I wanted to add. And I'm hit with these:

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Then some brighter posts (including one of a baby bat!!) and then a post which sums up a lot of what I'm feeling right now.

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It's like, yes, that, plus the uncomfortable sense that some people are getting thisclose to going, "Most Jews are Zionists anyway, so YEAH, I DO think most Jews deserve to die."

[eowyntheavenger]

Hi! I saw your post on telling Americans to vote, and I was wondering what you think of posts from people from other parts of the world who are calling Americans evil for voting for Biden because of his support for Israel. I've seen a few already. They seem to be completely convinced that Americans deliberately voted for Biden specifically to side against Palestine and no other reason, and spread the general (pretty ignorant and hateful) message of "Americans are evil because of the actions of their government and because they collectively refuse to vote for a president who is good and not simply 'the lesser of two evils'". It frustrates me because they seem to think they're experts on US politics, culture, and society and have all the answers, but it also makes me concerned because it reminds me of the whole Russian bot thing from last time. Like, I'm 99% sure the people reblogging these posts aren't Russian bots (don't know about the OPs though), and they unquestioningly believe this. What do you think of this and how would you go about addressing this issue? Do you think it's possible to get them to understand how little they actually know about the US and how they're actually promoting a message that makes things worse for everyone? I've also seen less scathing posts that are just disheartened and don't seem to believe the democrats are truly better to vote for than the republicans and so it's just two sides of the same coin. To be fair, I think that sort of feeling is only further encouraged because there didn't really seem to be much if any progress made with Biden, not even back to square one after Trump moved the country so far backwards. I think most Americans really wish the elections actually had good candidates and they could pick the best of two goods, but are frustrated and stuck with the current system and don't know how to actually get to the point where there are good candidates. (Though personally I think voting for the one who isn't actively trying to make themselves a king with unlimited terms is a decent start. I can understand the frustration though.)

Hi! Thanks for the ask. This stuff worries me too. I've gotten comments on my posts like that too, telling me/other Americans that we're evil for voting for Biden.

But I've seen a much larger number of comments and posts from people outside the United States BEGGING us to vote for Biden. I literally get tags like that on my posts EVERY DAY urging Americans to vote blue. So I think that's valuable context, even if it doesn't solve the problem of the "I hate everybody who votes for Biden" crowd.

And yes, it's definitely a shitty argument on their part to claim that people voting for Biden are specifically siding against Palestine. Literally every single person I know in real life and online who plans to vote for Biden has been criticizing and protesting his policies on Palestine.

In terms of convincing the anti-voters that they're wrong, honestly, I don't know. They don't listen to reason and they seem intent on spreading despair. Some of Biden's policies have been terrible (Willow oil-drilling project), some of them have been downright evil (military aid to Israel), but I'm a rational person and I know that Trump is worse in every respect.

I've tried debating them. It's been pointless every time. They genuinely don't know how the government works, which scares me. Common takes include: 1) a genuine lack of awareness of how pro-Israel Trump and the right wing are, combined with magical thinking that a virtually unknown third party candidate can win the presidential election, 2) truly impressive mental gymnastics blaming Biden for the overturn of Roe v. Wade, and 3) continuing the mental gymnastics to blame Biden and the Democrats for anti-trans policies...

I guess my advice is to either ignore them and move on, or debunk things when you have time/energy? It's easier said than done, I know. There's nothing more annoying than someone being stupid on the internet, especially when they accuse you of stuff that just isn't true, and especially when they're spreading dangerous misinformation or voter-suppression rhetoric.

Like you, I'm highly suspicious of anyone who advocates AGAINST voting, or against voting blue. And I agree, many of these people are not bots, like you said, but I call them useful idiots, because they're doing the bots' work for them.

The one thing you said that I'm going to push back on is "there didn't really seem to be much if any progress made with Biden." Biden's actually made lots of progress on a variety of issues, and reversed some of Trump’s damage, it just doesn't get a lot of fanfare and it’s unfortunately happening at the same time as Republican gains in state legislatures and while they control the Supreme Court. But Biden and his administration have:

• invested billions in green architecture and clean energy, including making sure federal investments benefit low-income communities

• introduced new fines for companies' methane emissions

• introduced a plan to cut the federal government's greenhouse gas emissions by 65% by 2030 (that includes the military, which is a huge emitter)

• passed a huge bill for improving the country's infrastructure, including bridges, roads, broadband and more

• introduced first-ever national strategy on gender equality and equity and pushed Congress to pass the Equal Rights Amendment

• fought for women's reproductive rights after the overturn of Roe v. Wade

• put more women, people of color, and women of color on the federal bench than any of his predecessors combined

• nominated Kentaji Brown Jackson as the first Black woman to serve on the Supreme Court

• boosted funding to historically Black colleges

• ordered the DOJ to end the use of private prisons by the federal government

• pardoned thousands of people convicted on federal marijuana charges

• created a White House office of gun violence prevention

• passed the Respect for Marriage Act, guaranteeing federal rights and benefits for same-sex couples

• rolled out a series of actions to protect the rights and safety of the LGBTQ+ community, including protecting queer and trans foster youth, improving access to mental health services, and addressing the rise in hate crimes

• challenged discriminatory state bans against gender-affirming care and trans athletes

• called to support trans youth in State of the Union address and restored the White House tradition of recognizing Pride Month

• changed passport rules so that people can obtain a passport with no gender marker

• examined efforts by each federal agency to advance LGBTQ+ rights around the world

• reversed Trump's transgender military ban

• protected the rights of incarcerated trans people

• forgave billions in student debt, repeatedly, and introduced penalties for college programs that trap students in debt

• slashed bank overdraft fees

• expanded guaranteed overtime pay for millions of people

• made union-busting harder

• prevented discriminatory mortgage lending

• made efforts to expand the child tax credit, which could lift hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty

• cracked down on agriculture monopolies to support farmers and small businesses

• made it so the government is going to start taking drug companies' patents away if they don't make affordable drugs

• made over-the-counter birth control pills available for the first time

• lowered the cost of hearing aids and expanded access to them

• spent millions of dollars on students' mental health

• reversed discriminatory healthcare rules

• reinvigorated cancer research

• announced plans to replace all leaded pipes in the next ten years as well as combatting lead exposure abroad

• changed rules for how people can get aid after disasters so they can get more protection and immediate payments more easily

• introduced new data privacy rules protecting people from tech companies

• pushed the federal government to monitor AI risks

• maintained steadfast support for Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression

• maintained steadfast support for Taiwan in the face of Chinese intimidation

• strengthened ties with allies in Asia and the Pacific Islands

• pledged climate change assistance to low-lying Pacific Island countries

• literally IMMEDIATELY after being elected, Biden fortified DACA, rejoined the Paris Agreement, and ended Trump's discriminatory "Muslim ban", ended the Keystone XL Pipeline and fossil duel development in wildlife monuments, (same as last link) rejoined the WHO, strengthened COVID-19 response measures on a variety of fronts, re-included non-citizens in the U.S. census, and passed executives orders on racial equity in the federal government

And I'm sure there's more I left out.

There are also things Biden does that literally don’t make the news, but matter a lot, like funding the Postal Service, and continuing to have a State Department so we can conduct overseas diplomacy (Trump tried to defund the USPS and wants to purge the State Department and fill it with loyalists).

[thatdebaterguy]

Seeing this waste of talent is ridiculous, 1 week of time spending every waking moments obsessed with a war going on that they have zero understanding of. Even the people in Gaza don't have this on their mind every single second. In one week this person could paint a sunset in the hills of Sardinia, but chooses to paint this instead. Their very first policy is literally disrupt, jam up phone signals, which could be for loved ones, grandkids to grandparents, disrupt all people to allow aid into a country already receiving aid, the majority of which is blocked by Egypt anyway.

Telling people to change their bank accounts if they have any affiliation with Israel is also insane, and telling people to not look after themselves? There are very few causes worth disrupting not just your own life but those around you, and this isn't one of them, you don't see this for any other war, just this one.

Also actively telling people to push specifically pro-palestine posts is crazy. The purpose of my blog is debunking information I see that's posted as misinformation or that's even slightly altered from the definite truth, whether that promotes Israel or Palestine. I reblogged someone who aligns themselves with the left, an ideology I'd never personally promote but someone who had good points. Never tell people to push one specific side of an argument, because that's literally called propaganda. Don't push for any specific sides, push the logic, the reason, the facts, the verified figures. Don't ignore all the god awful things Hamas has done, if you're an advocate for peace you'd highlight how Hamas is a villainous entity who has the responsibility for thousands of Palestinian children and thousands of innocent Israelis on their hands. For me, the best opinion is one formulated from all perspectives of a debate, all linked in by the evidence and facts and logic that back the points adopted into that opinion. For me, I adopt a pro-Israel stance when comparing Israel with Palestine as governmental bodies, I stand with the innocents who suffer from both sides when it comes to casualties of war, and I stand with Israel when it comes to the facts, as while they have their own propaganda and mistruths published, the lies spread by some leftist media in favour of Palestine have been very bias with inflated or just straight up false figures.

In the end, don't read a post and blindly follow it like a sheep, read articles from both sides, verify every claim you see made with a search and various sites for cross referencing, and apply logic, reason and understanding. This applies to all debates and opinions, but in particular for this war, make sure you know the history, and I don't mean a couple searches, it's deep, it's lasted for longer than most countries have existed, and it has so many separate topics that you could never count them all, so analyse your data carefully and make sure to have a base level understanding before posting anything about this. Your blind indoctrination could cost another innocent their life.

Day two of the week long strike for a free Palestine and I thought I’d share my recent painting with some tips for those looking for ways to get involved that can’t attend an in person event.

🍉Disrupt- Call/ email your representatives. Jam the phone lines with demands for an immediate ceasefire, aid to be allowed into Gaza, and an end to the occupation.

🍉With your money- do not spend this week. If you find yourself in dire need of something, try to buy it locally instead of from a corporation and absolutely no spending on non-necessities. Look into mutual aid programs near you. Beyond the strike, keep the boycotts going. Look for Palestinian businesses to support. Shop local over corporate as much as you can. Research your bank, see where they invest. If you find your money going to oppressors, move your money out of there and close the account.

🍉 Social Media: boost Palestinian voices and refrain from engaging with unrelated content. Share information. Engage with pro-Palestinian content to help fight the algorithms. This week, refuse to post or engage with any content that is not about Gaza.

[anubishoarmurath]

I mostly reblog instead of talking because I 1. know jack shit about stuff 2. don't want to self-aggrandise as a random white knight (or gentile knight in this case) But yeah like, we aren't going to stop. To be fair, people don't have this energy for Russia because they barely consider Eastern Europeans of any country to be people. And we are white, so it doesn't matter, right? (Nevermind that there are non-white Ukrainians and Muslim Ukrainians). But you can really see the screaming about a country that is trying to survive (Israel) as opposed to crickets or red dick sucking about a country that is actually committing an actually documented genocide in the year 2024 (Russia). Yes, I said the g-word. Do I really need to say I don't agree with everything the government of Israel is doing (I guess I do, the reading comprehension on this site is piss poor isn't it) when I also say that what they (the government of Israel) are doing is not genocide by the actual definition of the term. I have read daily reports of genocidal actions taken by Russia in Ukraine for the last two years. I've seen photos (most of which I am trying to avoid, because I like to sleep at night and I have the luxury since I am not in Ukraine). The prison in Israel that people are rightfully protesting...Russia's done that in Ukraine every day. They just do it. Torture people. Kids. Constantly. Every town liberated by Ukrainians has had proof of ongoing torture of the local population there. Mass graves. And from where I am in Estonia, people absolutely do blame random Russians for what their country is doing. But the vitriol I have seen is nothing compared to how Jews are treated. The worst you get in Estonia as a Russian is people frowning at you if you speak Russian in front of them. Meanwhile I keep seeing daily how Jews are attacked, murdered and any places connected to them keep being vandalised. People just terrorising them, completely random people who have no connections to anyone who is making any decisions in Israel. (Not that I think terrorising even the worst people in the government of Israel is okay. You cannot become your enemy when you try to stop things.) And the people who reblog "arg genocide" and "help us out of Gaza" (1. how, isn't the entire area in a blockade? 2. how do you know it's not a scam?) stuff without thinking for a moment! I follow a few of them because they don't seem to have gone wild-ass full on watermelon antisemitism yet, but you bet I roll my eyes every time. I would beg people to think a little, but I know it's too much to ask. And if someone asks me what my personal stake is? Nothing. I barely know any Jews. They are quite insular in Estonia (I wonder why) and I feel it's weird to specifically try to befriend people based on their ethnicity and/or religion. So I don't know anyone properly. But the way we treat Jews is unfair and unjust and wrong, and I am not standing for it. Do I understand anything? Barely. 2 years ago I was one of those people who lumped Judaism in with Christianity as some sort of "old Christianity". I didn't even know how many Jews there are in the world. But I kept following people and learning, and that is all I can do. (I could do a "and I try to learn about Palestine" thing here, but why? I don't see any pro-Palestine blogs that aren't also wildly antisemitic at the same time so I ain't bothering until you get your shit together. I know what it is like to not have a country. Didn't make us do terrorist behavior, so idk.) See why I don't talk? It mostly feels like self-aggrandizement, but I guess if you need proof for blocklists or whatnot, here you go! And if you haven't dismissed me as a zionist yet (trick statement, gentiles can't be zionist and you'd know that if you bothered to read), take on thing: LEARN MORE. INTERROGATE YOUR SOURCES. TRY TO UNDERSTAND. thank you.

I'm not Jewish. I was raised a very boring type of protestant, and now I don't really connect to any religion.

I have observed, and been told, and believe, that it is not safe, is scary and dangerous for Jewish people to say out loud such 'controversial' things as Israel is a country that exists and we need to work within that basic reality if we actually hope to make any change or progress.

So I will say it. And more people who have a basic grasp on reality should say it too so it isn't only Jewish people making this very obvious statement.