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{D I G I M O N} Adventure+02 ~ Koushiro{u} Izumi + A W K W A R D N E S S / (Moments of) C l u m s i n e s s (Especially around/in relation to MRS. IZUMI, Koushiro's A D O P T I V E {P a r e n t}) + (Continuing) Before & After "The" {R e v e a l}
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The Digidestined reunite with their partners again. From Digimon Adventure 02 (2000) ep.27
Flashback-
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SEASON ONE : KINKTOBER 𖤐
⚠️THIS SEASON CONTAINS SMUT
NOW PLAYING : SEASON ONE : KINKTOBER. for this collection, each episode (thirst) will be released featuring your favourite actor (idol). thank you for booking the premiere tickets !!
NOTE. please keep in mind that this season features SKZ. the actors may or may not change during the follow up season. warnings will be added to each episode.
SEASON ONE ... KINKTOBER
[EP 01] BRAT TAMING + CHAN
[EP 02] ORAL FIXATION + CHANGBIN
[EP 03] ORGASM CONTROL + SEUNGMIN
[EP 04] SIZE KINK, SPANKING + HYUNJIN
[EP 05 ] OVERSTIMULATION + LEE KNOW (BUNNY!GF)
[EP 06] DILF CHAN, DADDY KINK
[EP 07] EDGING + JISUNG
[EP 08] THREESOME, MEANDOM!SEUNGMIN + SOFTDOM!CHAN
[EP 09] DEVOTION KINK + CHAN (WORSHIPPING)
[EP 10] BREEDING + SEUNGMIN
[EP 11] OVERSTIMULATION + CHAN
[EP 12] THROAT TRAINING + SEUNGMIN
[EP 13] FIRST TIME + LEE KNOW
[EP 14] SUGAR DADDY CHAN ( DADDY KINK, EXPERIMENTATION )
[EP 15] VOYEURISM + HAN JISUNG
[EP 16] STRENGTH KINK + CHANGBIN
[EP 17] FACE SITTING + HYUNJIN
[EP 18] THIGH RIDING + LEE KNOW
[EP 19] CHOKING + JISUNG
[EP 20] PET PLAY + LEE KNOW (KITTY!GF)
[EP 21] BDSM + SWITCH!JEONGIN (BONDAGE)
[EP 22] EXHIBITIONISM + FELIX
[EP 23] DUMBIFICATION + JEONGIN
[EP 24] CORRUPTION + LEE KNOW
[EP 25] FACE SITTING + HYUNJIN
[EP 26] SENSORY DEPRIVATION, PHONE SEX + FELIX
[EP 27] BREEDING + CHAN
[EP 28] THREESOME, SUB!FELIX + SUB!JISUNG
[EP 29] CHOKING, FINGERING + JEONGIN
[EP 30] DILF CHANGBIN, OVERSTIMULATION
[EP 31] THREESOME, MINHO + JISUNG
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SEASON TWO : DESTROY DICK DECEMBER
(coming soon)
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FAKE IT TILL WE MAKE IT .ᐟ⠀( a scaramouche x fem!reader smau )
synopsis: what happens when scaramouche, your rival since the first year of highschool, had some annoying admirers on his back? easy—he (fake) dates you to shoo them off. nothing can possibly go wrong with faking a relationship with the guy you hate, right?
spoiler: apparently, a lot can go wrong.
started on: 05/28/23 | ended on: 06/28/23
genres: highschool au, enemies/academic rivals to lovers + fake dating trope, fluff, angst, (an attempt of) comedy, profanities + kys jokes, other ships are implied, socmed with narrations !!
note: this is my first smau so everything is really messy haha sorry T___________T (🖋️) means the ep has narrations
taglist: closed :) thank u for the support mwa
playlist: just for the vibes tbh so feel free to listen in sometime!
STARRING: (name) international fans / venti lock your doors
EPISODES:
★ 01. fucking hell
★ 02. a little suggestion
★ 03. it's a deal
★ 04. you're dating who now?! (🖋️)
★ 05. childe knows anything and everything
★ 06. operation: first date
★ 07. fuzzy feeling (🖋️)
★ 08. books and bonds (🖋️)
★ 09. everybody knows
★ 10. meet granny!
★ 11. movie date! oh and candy crush
★ 12. scara rizz
★ 13. promposals (🖋️)
★ 14. sick feelings
★ 15. call me by my first name (🖋️)
★ 16. almost (🖋️)
★ 17. who now?
★ 18. ignorance is bliss
★ 19. jealousy, jealousy
★ 20. miscommunication
★ 21. stupid in love
★ 22. ignorance is not bliss (🖋️)
★ 23. sadgirl hours
★ 24. suck it up
★ 25. screw talking (🖋️)
★ 26. boyfrengirlfriend
★ 27. lowkey
★ 28. ??? = ily
EXTRAS:
★ 01. snippets of ayamiya's life
★ 02. the arcade date experience + 2.5. photo booth shenanigans
★ 03. psa i hate (love) my boyfriend
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My Sweet Mobster (놀아주는 여자) - Whump List
Whumpee : Seo Ji Hwan played by Uhm Tae Goo
Synopsis : Seo Ji Hwan, once a legend of the underworld, is CEO of a food company that offers a fresh start to ex-convicts. His gangland past, though, has a tendency to follow him even after retirement. Go Eun Ha, known as "Sister Mini" to her web channel's mini audience, is a popular but struggling children's entertainer. After a series of embarrassing, comical, and painful misunderstandings Ji Hwan and Eun Ha begin to get to know and understand each other. (MDL)
Genres : Comedy, Romance
Warning! Possible spoilers below!
Seo Ji Hwan
Ep 1 : (05:10) Has a cramp in his leg (Comedic) — (11:35) Handcuffed (Comedic) — (20:40) Hit in the head (Comedic) — (01:01:05) Hit in the ribs, in pain, trips, falls down the stairs, unconscious, concern for him (semi-comedic)
Ep 2 : (01:30) Brought into an ambulance unconscious on a stretcher, wakes up in a hospital bed, told he has broken ribs and a light concussion, trying to move, wincing in pain, concern for him (semi-comedic) — (Is in the hospital for most of the episode)
Ep 3 : (02:15) Splashed with milk — (53:00) Drunk after accidentally drinking alcohol (comedic)
Ep 4: (01:00) Still drunk
Ep 5 : None
Ep 6 : (57:00) Locked in a freezer — (01:35:00) Getting cold, gives his coat to female lead
Ep 7 : (01:20) Still in the freezer, shivering, worried for someone — (23:10) Sleeping while being seated (exhausting day), concern for him when he wakes up, told to go get an IV, in bed
Ep 8 : (Flashback) (13:50) Surrounded, fighting, hit in the head, keeps fighting, bleeding, stumbling, ears ringing, stabbed, keeps walking unsteadily, collapses — (Present) (29:45) Hit by a car, bleeding from the head — (32:10) Restrained, beaten — (33:10) Laying on the ground, held up, punched — (34:30) Beaten, defiant — (36:55) arrested by the police, handcuffed — (40:25) In an interrogation room, bandage on his head — (43:45) Released, walking with a slight limp, concern for him — (47:45) Concern for him — (50:25) Still walking with a limp, given medicine
Ep 9 : None
Ep 10 : (33:40) Worried for someone, rolls down a small cliff (semi comedic)
Ep 11-13 : None
Ep 14 : (19:00) Drunk — (51:15) Breaks a glass with his hand, bleeding — (58:55) Stressed, hand still injured — (01:02:30) Head injury for the second male lead
Ep 15 : (02:20) Angry, beating someone up, stopped and taken by the police, hand bloody — (03:50) In handcuffs — (09:55) Pinned against a wall — (11:20) Concern for him — (58:48) Hit in the head while protecting his friend, beaten to the ground by a metal bat, gets up, defiant, beaten to the ground again, getting up with difficulty, stabbed, stumbling, collapses, bleeding and in pain (Gif Set)
Ep 16 : (02:00) (Repeat of the previous scene) Beaten, stabbed — (03:20) Bleeding out on the ground, in pain — (04:20) Concern for him, unconscious — (04:55) In the hospital on a stretcher, lots of concern for him, brought for surgery, oxygen mask, on the surgical table intubated, loved ones waiting outside (Gif Set) — (06:30) In a hospital bed in a coma, concern for him — Multiple scenes of him in a coma and his loved ones worrying — (18:20) Wakes up, everyone happy — (27:05) Fakes being in pain, concern for him, bandage on his wound changed
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“ 𝐋𝐈𝐌𝐈𝐓𝐋𝐄𝐒𝐒 𝐂𝐎𝐍𝐓𝐑𝐎𝐋 . ”
CHAPTER 01 ──── GOOD ASSISTANT ! ‹3
characters : gojo, makima, megumi, nobara, yuji
context : you start to meet this strange lady, odd enough she takes interest in you, and this random white haired guy too. sooner or later you a 'jujutsu sorcerer' and meet sukunas vessel. twins!!
authors notes : this better blow up or im crying...
warnings : ooc, male!reader, male pronouns, reader referred as 'you', chapter takes place in ep 1 of jjk, plus extra non canon stuff, mistakes probably..
,, 𝐌𝐎𝐑𝐄 𝐔𝐍𝐃𝐄𝐑 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐔𝐓. 𝜚
UNKNOWN LOCATION
JANUARY 7 , 2009 04:32:18
You wake up to the cool sensation of grass beneath your fingers, soft and damp from the night air. It’s dark—so dark that you can barely make out your surroundings. A thick, inky blackness stretches out in every direction, swallowing the horizon. The sky above has doors—different shapes, sizes, and colours, each standing upright without walls or frames to support them. Some are tall and imposing, carved from dark wood with intricate patterns.
“[Name]-kun.”
You blinked, trying to process the voice. “Who is this?”
A figure stepped into view, you can’t make out the details. It’s human, or atleast looks human. Feminine body, and glowing spiral yellow eyes, “My name is Makima. I assume you're [Name]? Correct.”
You narrowed your eyes, “Yes… Where are we.?”
“My ‘domain’. Hell. There’s really nothing here but us, don’t worry about that white albino paintbrush listening in. Let’s chat!”
She sits down near your head as your body automatically seem to get closer to her lap. She rests her hands on your hair, gently stroking it.
“Let’s make a contract–binding vow, shall we? We’ll discuss this topic at a different time, but for now we can just get to know one another.”
You considered her words, the weight of the offer sinking in.“Alright.”
TOKYO METROPOLITAN CURSE TECHNICAL COLLEGE
JUNE 14, 2015 , 07:27:02
“Wakey-wakey, eggs and bakey~!” The white-haired, blindfolded man exclaimed, turning toward you with a playful grin.
Who is this guy? You thought, feeling the tight ropes binding you and surrounded by a chaotic mix of talismans. As your vision slowly cleared, you studied him closely—he seemed oddly familiar. Why?
“Why am I here?” You managed to ask, still trying to regain your bearings.
The blindfolded man flashed an infuriating smirk, ” Great, just what I needed…” You thought, annoyed.
“For your execution, of course!”
“My execution?”
“Yup, yours! But…”
“But?” you echoed, your confusion deepening.
You watched as he stood up, crossing his arms with a confident air. “You won’t be executed if you agree to be my assistant, [Name]-chan.”
“What—who the hell are you?” You asked, tilting your head slightly to get a better look.
“It’s me, Gojo Satoru. If you accept my offer, you can live. What do you say, hm?”
You sat in silence as he leaned in closer, his breath warm against your ear. “I really need a strong assistant, [Name]-chan.”
“Ugh, fine! Just don’t touch my ear, you weirdo,” you replied, instinctively leaning away from him.
“Fantastic!” he exclaimed, his excitement palpable.
YOKOHAMA , SANKEIEN GARDEN
JUNE 5, 2018 21:48:29
BANG—!
You stepped down hard on the curse’s head, the sickening crunch echoing in the stillness of the night. Disgust twisted your features as you felt the remnants of the creature’s essence ooze beneath their boot.
“Gross.” You spat. You glanced up at the sky, now draped in deep shades of indigo and very few shades of orange.. It was a beautiful scene, the upcoming stars twinkling like distant memories. You could enjoy this scene…
“[Name]-chan, look here!” Gojou shouted.
Nevermind.
“Gojo-sa—”
“Call me Satoru, silly!” he interrupted.
With a resigned sigh, you replied, “Satoru-san, why did you let me exorcize such a weakling?” They removed their black coat, using it to wipe the blood splatter from their face, feeling both exhilarated and slightly exasperated.
“Well, I like seeing you like this!” he said with a smirk, his eyes glinting with mischief.
Noticing a streak of the curse’s blood on Gojou’s cheek, You pointed at it, a playful glint in their eye. “Something wrong, [Name]-chan?”
Gojou looked at the finger pointing at his cheek, and it suddenly clicked for him—you wanted a kiss! Of course, who wouldn’t want to kiss the great Satoru Gojo? He leaned down, dramatically pressing his lips against the spot, a teasing grin on his face. “Is that what you wanted?”
Annoyance flashed in your eyes as they rolled them. “No. There was some blood on your cheek.” You wiped the blood away, their voice steady. “And we have another ‘mission’, we found Sukuna's finger.”
“Well then, let’s get going! Ooh! I also want to stop by a famous mochi restaurant on our way!” Gojo exclaimed, grabbing your wrist and leading them away with an eager tug.
As you walked toward the train station, you felt a sudden presence behind you. A familiar weight settled as someone clung their arms around their neck.
“[Name]-kun,” Came the sultry voice, dripping with irritation. You recognized it instantly—Makima, she was not pleased. “Why did that man kiss you?” She rested her head against his shoulder.
“I… didn’t expect him to do it, so shut up...” You mumbled, swatting her away with a half-hearted gesture
JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL
JUNE 5, 2018 22:02:01
“Under Jujusten Regulation, Itadori Yuji, I will exorcise you as a curse!” Megumi declared.
“Hold up, I’m fine!” Yuji replied, raising his hand in a gesture of reassurance. “Besides, both of us are kinda beaten up,” he added, glancing down at his body where the tattoos—symbols of his connection to Sukuna—began to slowly fade away, like shadows dissipating at dawn.
“We should go to the hospital,” Yuji suggested, his tone shifting to one of concern.
Megumi hesitated, his mind racing, ‘I can’t tell if it’s really him or if it’s the special grade object influencing him, he thought anxiously. Damn, what should I do?’
Just then, a white-haired figure appeared seemingly out of nowhere. “What’s the situation?” he asked nonchalantly, as if he hadn’t just materialised from thin air.
“Gojo-sensei? [Name]-sama? What are you both doing here?” Megumi stammered, momentarily caught off guard.
Gojo chuckled, a mischievous glint in his eyes, although hidden by the blindfold, you could sense it. “Well, I heard from a little birdie that Sukuna’s finger was in the area,” he explained, his tone teasing as he reached for his phone.
He was interrupted as you snatched the device from his hands. “Plus, the higher-ups wouldn’t stop nagging about a missing special-grade object!” Gojo continued, unperturbed. “And I dragged [Name] along while I was out sightseeing. By the way, did you manage to find it?”
“Uh… I ate it,” Yuji confessed sheepishly.
A stunned silence fell over the group. “For real?” You and Gojo echoed simultaneously, eyes wide in disbelief.
“For real,” Yuji and Megumi parroted back.
Gojou strode over to Yuji, bending down to examine him closely. “Hmm, you really did merge with it?” He chuckled as he straightened up, clearly amused by the situation. “Is there anything wrong with your body?”
“Nope,” Yuji replied.
“Can you swap out with Sukuna?” You interjected.
“Sukuna?” Yuji’s brow furrowed in confusion.
“Yeah, the curse you ingested,” You clarified.
“Oh, right! I think I can do that!” Yuji said, giving a thumbs up.
“Alright, give him about ten seconds, then take control back,” You instructed, offering a half-hearted smile to lighten the mood.
“But—” Yuji started, but you cut him off.
“Don’t worry; I’m the strongest,” Gojou smirked, his trademark bravado eliciting groans from both you and Megumi.
“Megumi, hold this!” Gojou tossed a bag into his hands.
“What’s this?” Megumi asked, perplexed.
“Kokufuku from Kikusuian! It’s Sendai’s specialty, and it’s absolutely delicious! I highly recommend the Zunda and Cream flavour!” Gojo exclaimed, his excitement palpable.
As Gojo continued to yap on about his trip and the delicious treats, [Name] couldn’t resist the urge to snag a piece of his Kokufuku. It was every bit as good as he’d claimed, the flavours dancing on your tongue.
“Hey! [Name]-chan, don’t eat my food! That’s really rude!” Gojo whined, eyes wide in faux betrayal.
“Hey, behind you!” Megumi shouted, you pulled him back by his collar just as a special grade cursed spirit lunged at Gojo. You instinctively tensed, knowing all too well how this would end—Gojo would emerge victorious once again because, as he liked to remind everyone, he was ‘the strongest.’
“Look, that kid is still alive after being thrown into a building,” You said sarcastically, feeling the exhaustion seeping into your bones.
“Yeah, it’s about time,” Gojou replied, as if on cue.
As if in response to Gojo's words, Yuji’s tattoos faded once more, his body slumping as Megumi let out a sigh of relief. “Colour me impressed!” Gojou exclaimed, hovering above Yuji. “You can really control it!”
“Yeah, but he’s kind of annoying,” Yuji muttered, aggressively patting his own head, “I can hear his dumb voice in my head.”
“It’s a miracle that’s all he’s doing,” Gojou remarked casually, poking Yuji’s forehead with two fingers, which caused him to immediately pass out.
“What did you do?” Megumi asked, his tone a mix of exasperation and curiosity.
“He knocked him out, Megumi-kun,” You replied, leaning back against the nearby railing, fatigue washing over you. “Can I go home, please? I’m tired.”
“Not just yet, [Name]-chan. If he isn’t possessed by Sukuna when he wakes up, he might have potential as a vessel,” Gojou said, the seriousness of his tone cutting through the lighthearted banter.
“I have a question for you! What should we do with him?” Gojou turned to Megumi, his expression contemplative.
After a moment of thought, Megumi replied, “If he is a vessel, Jujutsu regulations demand that Itadori be executed. However, I don’t want him to die.”
“Is that a personal opinion?” Gojou raised an eyebrow, his smirk fading slightly.
“Yes. It’s a personal opinion. Please do something about it,” Megumi insisted, the weight of his words hanging in the air.
“Well, if it’s a request from a precious student, leave it to me! Now, someone carry Yuji. It seems my beloved future husband has fallen asleep!” Gojou declared with exaggerated enthusiasm.
Megumi turned to you, noticing that you had indeed succumbed to fatigue and drifted off, your head lolling to the side. You must have been really tired—or just really lazy.
“—Wait. Future husband? [Name]-san doesn’t even like you,” he deadpanned, disbelief etched across his face.
“Nuh-uh! He does! He let me kiss him before we came here,” Gojou retorted proudly, a goofy grin plastered across his face. Megumi’s frustration bubbled beneath the surface, and he couldn’t help but feel a strong urge to punch Gojou right then and there.
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⭑.ᐟ˚⭐彡 // bold text , strong colors , spoilers
A TLDR about the podcast for those who don't really want to watch the whole 1 hour and a half video !! :> ( I had posted it here before but I deleted it cause I wanted to wait a bit until I finally 'completed' it (technically speaking 'cause I'm only really making a TLDR at what my brain stuck onto or else I may get burnout. (っ °Д °;)っ) so I wouldn't have to edit this post every time . . lol ... feel free to add anything else in the reblogs/notes though !! ^ _ ^ )
The Most Successful Stick Animator in the WORLD Ft. Alan Becker - Dojocast Ep.6
。─ ⭐ Animation vs. Animator/Minecraft Stuff !!
° . They have been working on AvA 11 for over a year ;; 20 minutes long ;; Probably the biggest one they have ever worked on ;; They are doing their best to push it as early as they can , possibly around early december or even late november // { 54:07 }
° . They have a Minecraft Short being worked on about BedWars ;; This one's been really complicated since they are using real Minecraft acting with stickfigures // { 54:56 }
° . Next thing coming up is a Three-Part series about Green ;; It's a surprise. lol // { 55:40 }
° . AvA is going to be atleast Three seasons ;; As long as AvA and Minecraft are popular they are gonna keep going // { 57:08 }
° . King Orange used to be King Gray for a long time ;; Alan was considering to make him a light purple for a while // { 58:10 }
° . Alan's favorite is The Second Coming // { 1:06:36 }
° . Alan had different ideas for the 'fight scene in the box // { 1:19:29 }
° . Animator vs. Animation was originally supposed to be a trilogy ;; At the end of AvA3, everyone was supposed to die ;; His senior year college Teacher, who knew about his animations, gave him the idea to continue the series // { 16:45 }
。─ ⭐ Alan Becker's Production Team & Other Stuff !!
° . Alan's biggest inspiration was his lead animator; Terkoiz = The same one who worked on AvPhysics // { 1:00:07 }
° . Alan is the lead creative ; Hatena is the line producer ; There are three project leads = One takes care of AvA , One takes care of AvM , One takes care of Everything Else ; The animators are not segmented into only a certain series , they work on everything based on their skill set ; Also a Production Assistant that helps Hatena takes notes // { 1:02:34 }
° . An advice for any animators struggling to break into the industry/studios be it Indie or major ones : TLDR: The best thing you can do as an Independent artist is post your work as much as you can, and eventually opportunities will land and you have to take them as they come. You have to put yourself out there; Get yourself into as many doors as possible, and just get to know everyone. // { 1:07:29 }
° . They got inspiration from BoxOfCrayons' Voices Plus Faces !! // { 1:15:27 }
° . Alan made Animation vs. Animator 1-4 completely on his own. ;; Animation vs. Minecraft was when he decided to experiment in having a team of animators, and he did it with the diamond armour as it was an extremely tedious process (he taught 5 animators to do that). ;; in Animation vs. Youtube, Stone and Oxob were the first two animators he trusted to animate stickfigures. // { 27:45 }
° . ABTV is basically a loop compilation of all the AvA/M videos they ever made ;; They are trying to make it fun by adding little transitions between the episodes like "you're watching ABTV !! ^0^" ;; Eventually it'll get to every single transition between episodes; Is unique // { 48:44 }
#Obun#ava#avm#animation vs animator#animator vs animation#animation vs minecraft#alan becker#have a good day/afternoon/evening/night !!! <3
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Allen Walker Whump | D. Gray Man
fellas, is it gay to think all lives are precious?
Ep.01 - Knocked back Ep.02 - Sliced/weapon arm damaged, [Flashback; knocked unconscious], nerve damage, pain (repair), restrained, electrified, nerve pain Ep.03 - Guilt, knocked back into wall x2, kicked Ep.04 - Stabbed, trapped under rubble, weak Ep.05 - Punched, swallowed, body exhausted, blood, weak, crying Ep.06 - Tackled x2, disrespected, onion bombed, crying, insomnia, shot, briefly infected Ep.07 - Traumatized childhood lore, collapse Ep.08 - Captured, tranquilized, weak, emotional Ep.09 - Tinnitus, pain Ep.10 - Hit with icefire blast, unconscious, captured Ep.11 - Pain from ripping out restraints, eye stabbed, hit with icefire blast, briefly unconscious, passes out, protected Ep.12 - Eye pain, slapped, crying, wounds re-appear x2, unconscious, bleeding out, hospitalized Ep.13 - Hospital cont., scared Ep.14 - Tired, sledding crash, hit with snow blast, buried in snow, passes out Ep.15 - Carried, fever Ep.17 - Knocked down, slashed multiple times, arm paralyzed, held pulled, bodyslammed Ep.18 - Stuck in octopus, upset (its not coming off) Ep.19 - Eye shot, pain, weak, bandaged, scared Ep.20 - Freaking out, finger bit, briefly weak (gas), caught in explosion, exhausted Ep.21 - Neck bit, knocked through wall, unconscious, dizzy, trips, pinned, crushed, punched x12, very weak, thrown, unconscious Ep.22 - Thrown out window Ep.23 - Smacked by vines x2, crying Ep.25 - Crying/overwhelmed Ep.26 - Heartbroken Ep.27 - Nausea/nervous, painful childhood lore (flashbacks; sprained ankle, knocked down, depressed, heartbroken, crying) Ep.29 - Knocked down, guilt Ep.30 - Knocked down, talks about mourning Mana Ep.31 - Sneezes x2 Ep.40 - Trips Ep.41 - Starving, shot, briefly infected, scratched Ep.46 - Cold & hungry, hallucinating, knocked down, sliced (saw blades), carried, unconscious Ep.47 - Starving Ep.48 - Knocked down Ep.50 - Knocked down x6, punched Ep.52 - Arm deteriorating, SNATCHED x2 Ep.53 - Consumed, intense pain Ep.54 - Hand bit through, bleeding, arm snapped, extreme pain, tears Ep.55 - Weak, ear bit, extreme pain x100, electrocuted, arm bitten, heartbroken, crying Ep.56 - Arm deteriorating, great pain, impaled, organs threatened, arm broken, choked, arm amputated & destroyed, heart bitten, dying Ep.58 - Heavily bandaged, crying x2, weak/limping, anguish, bleeding Ep.59 - Knocked down, kicked x3, bandages sliced, collapse Ep.62 - Intense eye pain (present and flashback), collapse, Ep.64 - Sliced x6 Ep.66 - Knocked down, depressed, struggling will, punched x2, angry outburst Ep.67 - Eye pain Ep.68 - Intense eye pain x2, collapse, unconscious, nightmare, impaled Ep.69 - Impaled, intense pain, deteriorating, unconscious, carried, weak, tackled, crying, sacrifice Ep.70 - Body cracking, electrocuted Ep.75 - Crying Ep.76 - Headbutted Ep.80 - Spiteful memories, shot by blue bullet Ep.81 - Debt trauma, angry Ep.82 - Depressed, trapped x3, suffocating, thrown, electrocuted, knocked down x2 Ep.83 - Electrocuted Ep.84 - Stunned, (08:10) Ep.86 - Electrocuted, knocked unconscious, arm cracked, bleeding, trapped in vacuum, weak, passes out, impaled Ep.88 - Punched x3, gut-kicked, electrocuted unconscious, engulfed in flames Ep.89 - (09:00) pain, punched, engulfed in thorns, great pain Ep.90 - Super punched x4, very weak, held, knocked down, 6 combo punch, unconscious Ep.91 - Knocked down x3, falls, thrown, heartbroken, bleeding, Ep.92 - Bleeding, angry, weak, uneasy Ep.93 - Uneasy, emotional timcanpy reunion Ep.94 - Hospital, Mana lore Ep.95 - Betrayed/tried for Heresay Ep.96 - Investigated/mana lore Ep.98 - Head squeezed x2, kicked, punched, unconscious Ep.100 - Heartbroken, crying, revolted, scared, intense pain, unconscious, devastated, passes out Ep.101 - Kicked, beaten, weak, seriously injured, bleeding Ep.102 - Knocked down x3, weak, motionsick, uppercutted Ep.103 - Exhausted, crying, pinned, weak/immobile, carried, crying,
HALLOW
Ep.01 - Arm electrocutedly bandaged, arrested, slapped, heartbroken, comforted Ep.02 - Kicked, headbutted, bleeding, possessed; crying, infected, shot x20, unconscious, weak Ep.03 - Weak, punched, stabbed, extreme pain, bleeding, talks about Mana Ep.04 - Dream; stabbed, bandaged, punched, thrown, bleeding, kicked Ep.05 - Pinned, choked, fighting control, bleeding Ep.06 - Mental overload Ep.07 - Angry, punched-ish (19:50), pinned, infected Ep.08 - Guilt, kicked, knocked down x2, body controlled, extreme pain, leg snapped, arm sliced, fighting control, stabbed, serious bleeding, unconscious, transformed Ep.09 - Caught in explosion, bleeding, crying, restrained Ep.10 - Restrained, imprisoned, crying, depressed, fighting control, weak/difficulty breathing, extreme pain Ep.11 - Extreme pain, panic attack, comforted, head grabbed Ep.12 - Hand haywire, scared Ep.13 - [Childhood; after Mana died/unconscious, thrashing, great pain, held down, mental problems, fatherly Cross moments, crying], weak, fighting control
MANGA
Chapt. 211 - Face rubbed painfully, upset Chapt. 212 - Fighting control, weak, crying, passes out, carried Chapt. 225 - Passes out
#whump#emotional whump#whump list#whumplist#anime whump#allen walker#allen walker whump#d. gray man#d gray man#d gray man whump#d. gray man whump
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Wisher (致命愿望) | Cdrama | Whump List
Genre: Thriller, Mystery, Youth, Sci-Fi
Synopsis: The start and end of everything stems from an app called Wisher. Wisher appeared on the mobile phones of a group of college students out of the blue, and as long as they made a wish to it and completed a simple randomly assigned task, the wish would be realized. These young people can't stand the temptation, and just like signing a contract with the devil, they become dominoes under the control of desire. Middle-aged reporter Na Duo, as well as young collage students Lu Li and Qiu Wendong, began to confront the forces behind Wisher.
Length: 12 eps
Whump meter: ▲▲△△△
✨Great sci-fi story with some amazing cinematography. Kinda lower on the whump than I had hoped but it be like that sometimes ✨
⚠️Trigger Content: Suicide (brief), usual action CWs ⚠️⚠️Some SPOILERS might be found, proceed with caution ⚠️⚠️
Whumpee: Na Duo played by Feng Shao Feng
Ep 1 - [24:24] Nearly crashes car, hits steering wheel, grunts in pain, jump scared, threatened | [33:00] Grabbed by the chest by a speeding motorcyclist and slammed onto the ground, yells, grunts in pain, struggling to get up, nearly ran over by motorcycle, hit on the torso with the back wheel | Regains consciousness, confused as to where he is, panic.
Ep 2 - None.
Ep 3 - [00:10] Cornered, cloth thrown over head, pushed onto wall, falls to the ground, repeatedly kicked, picked up and shoved onto the wall again, pinned to the wall, work destroyed, threatened, pushed onto half wall, falls to the ground, struggling to breathe.
Ep 4-5 - None
Ep 6 - [12:40] Pulled to safety by ally, attacked with a knife, saved by ally, in shock after accidentally killing someone | [16:45] Still in shock, angry, distressed | [16:45] Concern for loved one, angry.
Ep 7-8 - None.
Ep 9 - [21:20] Escape blocked, held at gunpoint, kicked in the back of the knee, forced onto his knees, gun pressed to his forehead | [32:52] Unconscious on the ground, winces in pain as he gets up, panting.
Ep 10 - [03:30] Lying on the couch, ice pack on his head | [13:45] Watching a video from his recently deceased friend, emotional | [27:00] Concerned for loved one, agitated | [35:10] Inside a car during a crash.
Ep 11 - [03:05] Alcohol poured on open wound (rough caretaker), large cut on leg, bleeding, screams muffled by bandage roll in his mouth, sweating, groaning in pain, wound cleaned by friend, gripping armrest of couch, labored breathing, leg bandaged up then bandage roughly removed, bandaged up again, muffled yelp when the bandage was tightened, removes bandage roll from mouth, panting | limping slightly for the rest of the episode | [10:30] Told a loved one passed away, angry | [22:50] Uncovering loved-one's dead body, hands trembling, crying.
Ep 12 - [00:15] (in past) Watched father die, in shock, pulls little sister into his arms | [12:50] Chased | [17:50] Panting, distressed | [30:20] Held at gunpoint, leaning against wall, weak, berated, held at gunpoint again, struggling to talk, struggles to stand up, leaning against the wall for support, coughing, weak so has to sit back down, leaning against the wall, sacrifices himself, ears ringing, struggling to look up.
Whumpee: Qiu Wendong played by Fan Cheng Cheng
Ep 1 - [02:48] Flinches when yelled at, pet threatened to be killed, begging to save pet | [12:44] (in flashback) scolded, yelled at, pushed (end flashback)
Ep 2 - [00:25] (flashback) Yelled at, scolded, pushed, blamed (end flashback), forced to put down pet himself.
Ep 3 - [18:10] Flashback triggered, (flashback) restrained, held back, watching his mother being beaten (end flashback)
Ep 4 - None
Ep 5 - [27:27] Flashback triggered, (flashback) restrained, held back with an arm around his neck, watching his mother being beaten (end flashback), breathing heavily.
Ep 6 - [00:35] (nightmare) held in a chokehold, watching his mother being beaten (end nightmare) | [32:50] Threatened, yelled at, grabbed by the jacket.
Ep 7 - [04:05] Scolded by teacher, accused, flashback of his mother being beaten triggered, mostly unresponsive, takes the blame | [09:05] Recalling the past to a friend, emotional | [25:00] falls off motorcycle, tumbles on the ground, lying in the rain, struggling to get up | [26:47] Bruised cheek, upset, emotional, pushed, grabbed by the jacket, punched in the face, falls to the ground, forced to apologize.
Ep 8 - [00:15] Cheek still bruised, scratches and bruise on wrist, bandage on the other wrist | [07:58] cut reveal on wrist, cleaning wound.
Ep 9 - [23:52] In a minor car crash, crashes into the side of the car | [27:38] In shock, yelled at, angry, emotional, crying.
Ep 10 - [01:30] (flashback) watching his father throw himself off a cliff, (end flashback) teary eyes.
Ep 11 - None.
Ep 12 - [04:40] Headbutted in the face, stumbles back | [33:00] Angry, panting, stumbling, leaning against wall, coughing, struggling to breathe, loosens tie, weak, grabbed by the jacket, pushed onto the floor, struggling to get back up, struggling to walk, panic, explosion wave crashes onto him, thrust onto the ground, face and hand burned, screaming in pain, panic, begging, screaming, ceiling collapses on him | [46:25] Scar reveal on his left cheek and right hand.
Whumpee: Xi Lei played by Guo Zi Fan
Ep 1-2 - None.
Ep 3 - [18:15] Pulled away from a fight, restrained.
Ep 4 - None
Ep 5 - [27:24] Accused, pushed, fought.
Ep 5-8 - None.
Ep 9 - [12:25] Betrayed, emotional.
Ep 10 - [27:10] Yelled at, grabbed by the jacket, shaken, pulled to his feet and pushed against the wall, shaken, yelled at again, distressed, pulled away and slammed onto another wall, yelled at more, apologizing, shoved onto the floor, leaning against wall, distressed.
Ep 11 - [17:25] Cornered, head covered with cloth | [26:25] Wakes up tied to a chair, panting, concerned about loved one, crying.
Ep 12 - [03:35] Locked in a narrow tubular cell, restrained | [05:50] Locked in a container with friend, saved | [12:50] Chased.
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First longer whump list, hopefully I didn't miss anything important🙏SML (Wendong) had quite some emotional whump (man's seriously unwell) but I didn't really think every instance was worth mentioning so I didn't.
#asian whump#whump list#whumplist#whump#cdrama#chinese drama#wisher#致命愿望#feng shao feng#fan cheng cheng#guo zi fan
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RANDOM CHANGBIN GIFS 27/∞: [Stray Kids : SKZ-TALKER GO! Season 4] Ep.02 2023 GLOBAL CITIZEN FESTIVAL
#seo changbin#changbin#stray kids#straykidsedit#seochangbingifs#staysource#skzedit#random changbin#maleidolsedit#createskz#bystay#jypartists#3rachasource#malegroupsnet#stray kids gifs#stray kids changbin#gifs#skz talker
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so… i made a list of the first use of every song* in campaign 1 of naddpod, with timestamps. if you're wondering, it's 190 unique songs! * disclaimer: this list doesn't include royalty free songs, only emily's, and it's entirely possible i missed one or two.
i've put the list under the cut, separated by episode! edit: backdating on patreon has made it so that ALL timestamps are from the ad free episodes now!
(disclaimer that i determined the names of songs by cross-referencing what they were credited as across episodes, so some may be inaccurate. i noted those down in the list)
13 - City in the Clouds, 16:56 13 - Beverly's House, 34:18 13 - The Widow, 49:59
14 - Court of the Boy King, 17:48 14 - The Twinkling Lights of Galaderon, 1:20:41
15 - A Bastard No More, 23:21 * 15 - The Ruins of Cragwater, 2:00:09 * (note: "A Bastard No More" is called "Hardwon Takes the Wheel" after c1e70)
16 - Duergar Drudgery, 3:16 16 - Spooky Shafts, 5:13 16 - Heed the Mushroom's Call, 20:02 16 - Schubert's Song, 24:37 16 - Jolene the Green, 30:21 16 - Farewell to Fungen, 33:33 16 - The Mithril Miner's Shuffle, 37:48 16 - The Mithril's Run Dry, 51:37
17 - The Depths of the Dungeon, 1:07:29 17 - Conspiracy in the Clouds, 1:10:39
18 - The Revenant's Fate, 23:26 18 - A Fate Refused, 24:50 18 - Escape the Boy King's Brunch, 1:27:20
19 - The Purge, 10:49 19 - The Valiant Ol' Cobb, 50:13 19 - At the Last Minute, a First, 1:25:18 19 - Skybound, 1:28:17
20 - The Blows of a Friend, And Not a Foe, 58:58 20 - Forsaken, 1:03:08 20 - Apotheosis, 1:04:11 20 - A Haven Away From Home, 1:08:06
21 - Betrayal Below, 17:53 21 - The Gunslinger's Girl, 37:45 (loops) 21 - A Sign from Melora, 1:00:47 21 - Friend Turned Foe, 1:01:52 21 - Sumpin's a Mess Out West, 1:35:39
22 - Slumber in the Stump, 45:05 22 - The Sultan of Stone, 1:38:20 22 - Block Hop, 1:39:31
23 - The Mountain Meets the Sky, 42:34 23 - Trust the Gust, 57:55 23 - The Titan of Air, 1:09:39
24 - Sumpin's Asunder Down Under, 36:50 24 - Baptised, 39:43 24 - Steed of the Sea, 47:17 24 - Cetacean Farewell, 1:09:44 24 - Into the Flame, 1:12:29
25 - The Golden Sword, 51:24 25 - Cured by the Light, 56:30 25 - Hospitably Hostile, 1:01:47 25 - Mee Maw's Burden, 1:17:28
26 - The Grand Maw Tree, 8:20 26 - Into the Fog, 51:25 26 - A Hospitable Farewell, 57:20 26 - Befuddled and Befogged, 1:01:28 26 - Hazy Daze, 1:06:08
27 - Snake Skirmish, 3:06 27 - Greener Shades, 1:07:01 27 - Moonshine's Stump, 1:10:59 27 - Unknown Tome, 1:23:16
28 - Balnor's Bad Dream, 26:31 28 - Blessings of the Elementals, 1:10:45 * 28 - Elemental Energy, 1:13:47 * * (note: the two songs credited here are actually "Elemental Energy" and "Calling in a Favor", so the second song may be either name)
29 - The Prodigal Sister, 54:47 29 - A Rare Appearance, 57:37 29 - Oh, Melora!, 59:04 29 - A Tale's End, 1:04:41
31 - A Giant Among Men, 16:18 31 - Back Against the Wall, 26:35
32 - Behold! Treasure, 9:02 32 - Akarot's Letter, 22:21 32 - Shock at the Dock, 35:54 32 - Invisible But Not Invincible, 42:19 32 - Escape from Smuggler's Bounty, 47:27
33 - Tonathan Tinkle, 5:21 33 - Uku's Gift, 1:16:20
34 - Frostwind, 35:34 34 - A Humble Shopkeeper, 45:40 34 - Vinril's Gems, 1:01:16
35 - Balnor the Brave, 1:04:05
37 - Descending, 19:29 37 - A Tempting Offer, 40:11 37 - Desecrated, 47:18
39 - Incriminated, 32:08
41 - Tower of the Winter Wolves, 19:00 41 - Tundra Trudge, 1:22:08 41 - Valley of the Frigid Death, 1:15:31 * * (note: this song is used in ep 38 at 48:34, but not credited)
42 - Prey Don't Stand a Prayer, 41:03 42 - Yanoba, 1:06:07 * * (note: this song is also used in ep 38 at 1:07:13, but not credited)
45 - The Eye of Akarot, 12:59 45 - Bash at the Gash, 33:08 45 - The Bronzebeard Legacy, 43:40 45 - Kingshammer, 1:41:30 45 - A Sight For Sore Eyes, 1:44:32
46 - Fantastic & Fuddling, 38:59 * 46 - A Soft Landing, 56:18 * 46 - A Humble Farmer, 1:02:52 * 46 - The Court of the Bear Prince, 1:14:22 46 - Wooded Wonders, 1:40:52 * * (note: the four starred songs names have been used somewhat interchangeably, and "The Feywild" is sometimes used instead of "Fantastic & Fuddling")
47 - Puzzled, 7:34 47 - Mysterious Yet Familiar, 1:04:22 47 - Queen Cirilla, 1:10:17 47 - Frozen in Time, 1:12:42
49 - Gnome Man's Land, 1:03:54
50 - Rolling Deep, 13:10 50 - Neath a Ceiling of Stars, 30:36 50 - Sea Beast, 53:38 50 - Great Crone of the Sea, 1:11:05
51 - Alanis, 3:34 51 - The Nannerfly Effect, 14:35 * 51 - When You Wish Upon A Stone, 20:26 51 - Only the Ocean to Console Him, 45:27 * (note: throughout the Feywild, this song is called “The Nannerfly Effect”, and then later goes on to be credited as various versions of "wish stones")
54 - The Autumn Court, 3:35
55 - The Witch's Den, 58:57
56 - An Innocent Flirtation, 48:02 56 - Goblin Dirigible, 1:04:27 56 - Crash Landing, 1:15:21
57 - Tower in the Distance, 13:18 57 - Angels and Devils, 16:58 57 - King Lestibourne, 1:02:39 57 - All I Need is One Thread to Spin a Web, 1:09:20 57 - Kiss of Life, 1:45:12
58 - Flying Through the Night, 25:18 58 - Bittersweet Sixteen, 59:34 58 - A Hard Goodbye, 1:26:52
59 - Shadowfell, 2:49 59 - Into the Mist, 5:34 59 - Grimhawk, 53:33 59 - Langston, 1:05:56
60 - Deadeye, 6:30 60 - The Fat Monk, 25:13
61 - The Red Fen, 20:54 61 - The Montgomerys, 40:11 61 - Growing Pains, 1:16:21 * 61 - Gutless, 1:29:37 * (note: “Growing Pains” is credited as “Drained” here, but the name changes later and is used consistently)
63 - Montgomery Manor, 1:14:22 63 - Shadowfell Sneak, 1:17:34 63 - Two for Tea, 1:21:08
66 - Unholy Pilgrimage, 22:22
67 - Bastard's Fate, 1:22:05 67 - Bastard's Cove, 1:30:06
70 - Lucanus Aer'Tea, 1:27:08 70 - A Miracle Child, 1:44:43 70 - The Thinking Cap, 1:49:53
71 - The Whisperwood, 27:30 71 - Gladeholm, 29:41 71 - The University, 56:36 71 - Qwiksus, 1:10:04 71 - A Wizard Tournament, 1:30:24 71 - Star Spawn, 2:10:23
73 - Summoning, 11:28 73 - Secret Basement, 32:21 73 - The Objective, 1:31:50 73 - Pandemonium, 1:34:22 73 - Lilith La Trix, 1:37:55
75 - Kingsguard, 22:17 75 - Speaking Stump, 27:19 75 - Irondeep, 1:18:40 - (note: these three songs are only used in this ep in c1)
76 - The Mindflayer's Lair, 59:48 76 - The Multiverse, 1:13:57 76 - Alone, 1:19:50 76 - The Vast Expanse, 1:22:21 76 - Into the Planar Pool, 1:27:28
77 - Deal with a Devil, 21:42 * 77 - Buzzer's Cutters, 25:28 77 - The Posse, 1:07:48 77 - The Bronze Bastard, 1:35:51 * (note: this song is also frequently called “Soul Coins”)
79 - Lust, 14:52 79 - The River Styx, 24:46 79 - Fierna, 32:36 79 - A Risky Gamble, 51:42 79 - The Honey Trap, 55:40
82 - The Seventh Circle of Hell, 14:58 82 - Demigod, 28:55
83 - Ilsed's Secret, 42:05
84 - Hellfire Crown, 1:26:11 86 - Torn Apart, 46:42 * * (note: technically "Torn Apart" is a part of “Hellfire Crown” and plays in ep 84 at 1:17:32, but the two have different instrumentation and “Torn Apart” is credited as such later, so I've split them)
91 - I Just Want to Know You're Taken Care Of, 21:37 91 - The Pact, 47:25 91 - Forest, 1:07:14
92 - Enlightened, 15:26 * * (note: this song isn't credited in this ep, its first credit as "Enlightened" is in ep96 at 36:47)
95 - Hole in the Sky, 1:01:12 95 - Pure Gold, 1:34:39
96 - The Glittering Lady, 15:51
97 - Fabric of Fate, 9:44 * 97 - Selfless, 12:48 97 - A Glittering Reunion, 22:18 * (note: this song is later called "Melora's Boon" in c3)
100 (pt. 1) - The Writing on the Wall, 28:55 100 (pt. 1) - Paradise, 46:04 100 (pt. 1) - A Memory, 1:03:17 100 (pt. 2) - One Big Bed, 1:46:57
#naddpod#bahumia#naddmusic tag#don’t ask why i did this#this is the more normal version of this list#i have one of every single song use including repeats#yes i’ll share it someday but i want to finish the other campaigns first#edit: updated jacked to be the posse. idk why i thought they were different they're the same song lol
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people have hyped this up so much I'm scared (ii s2 post-s3 liveblog)
(/silly)
ahem. hi. post-watch Knight here, with a big tw: there is a suicide mention and intense death wishing at the end of this post. you can guess who it's directed towards but if you've already seen the episodes I don't think you'll get it wrong.
since there's only 3 episodes this one is going to work slightly differently, I'll have Big Text separating each of them and timestamp each different part of the liveblog. there will also be screenshots.
15:
(intro) wait Taco's trying to steal the win without even being a contestant? (4:48) "Don't Mention That Again" I've said it before it just feels like he speaks in capitalized words sometimes
(5:08) song?? THE SONG FUCKING SLAPS???
(8:02) hold on a moment I need to do someth[finds the song in isolation and adds it to the playlist Good Music]
(10:19) taco!! come on, bringing up beef at the show!
(12:48) "yes :)" oh what a bitch /affectionate
(15:49) tbh I agree with Knife here, if everyone respawns anyway, why is murder so bad? (<- building a death game in Minecraft)
(18:01) DAMNN holy shit, to think this isn't even canonically a scripted game, for Taco to say that?! aough
(19:45) HUH?? TACO CRACKED??? oh. OH she- she fucking died from stress- literally. oh shit. I- tbh I...can relate. I did that once. long story and I can't explain it here but.... holy shit.
(22:46) he's on a platform! MePad teleported him onto a platform!
(27:44) MePhone giving the "next time is the finale" speech rneanwhile there's two episode lef- oh shit
- after episode -
well that was a fucking cliffhanger. OH. MY. what!! WHAT!! COBS?? oh yeah also I don't hate Taco anymore. and the outro music slaps sdgkjhf
oh fuck I'm scared, onto the next episode!
16:
(1:00) HOKAY WELP RIGHT INTO ACTION. that was the same MePhone 3 from 4's memories wasn't it? were those other ones MePhone 2s??
(1:39) hough the parallels, I love this episode so far
(2:38) [his literal worst enemy is repeatedly trying to contact him directly] MePhone 4: [treats it like a minor annoyance]
oh also YIPPEE YINYANG IS THERE!!
(4:17) "are you offering?" lmao I wouldn't have even asked-
uhh
..? why is s3 so bad for Suitcase to hear about..?
(5:30) WHy is he HERE??
(7:28) what HEY IS PICKLE GONE FROM THE INTRO
(15:22) OH IT'S THE GUY. OH IT'S THE GUY o h OJ!! oagh but like. imagine that with humans. your friend starts panicking at something you can't hear or see, screams and then sUDDENLY THEIR FUCKING FACE IS GONE. that would be a neat analog horror actually
(18:32) he's just like me. he's just like me for real,, (<- also has trigger words)
(21:30) OH FUCK HE GOT NICKEL TOO
(23:42) wait- first Pickle then OJ, Nickel- no but OJ never got eliminated in s1. hm.
(25:30) wait- doesn't quite know what a frown looks like? d- does that rnean- wait wait nonono that was Cherry that yeeted Marshmallow-
(27:17) wait WAIT THIS HAPPENED WITH CABBY TOO DO NONE OF THEM HAVE PARENTS?? 27:27 no. nonon NO DON'T SAY IT DON'T YOU DARE DON';T YOU FCUKING DARE TELL ME [unpauses] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAKDSGJFK AGDFJKHAT'S WHY FAN GHLITCHEDD ADJKGF JAHLOUIAHF OSJHLKF HLA
- after episode -
OH MY HOUSEMATE WAS RIGH T I'M GONNA BR EA K OHH WHAT THE HELLfuck
hokay. okay. okayokayokaoyuayojoaykokoykaoykaokaoauuauhghhh
I am sane. I am normal. that's how he knows things. I need a break- okay so after like an hour, onto the next ep! wait is this the finale-
17:
(1:39) WHA- oh I misheard Knife as Knight.
(2:10) NO NOT TEST TUBE! (3:50) oh they're all going to-
(5:14) NO DON'T YOU DARE
,..,,.,why them,.., b.. but,theyre my favorites,,.
(11:34) wait they need to get that wire out of MePhone. that would stop MePhone X, right? but he doesn't know that..shit
(13:08) yeaAHHWHAT- oh. oh what
(15:14) let me guess Paintbrush got X'd while Fan was rambling. oh nvm. OH THE OTHER EGG IS PART OF MEPHONE 4?? oh that almost made me cry too- welp there goes lightbulb
(17:47) HUH??????????????? TOILET?????? wh a t .the fuck
(21:17) "cause that was pretty reductive!" oh they addressed it!
(22:48) o h. wh- what the HELL IS COBS'S PROBLEM?? LIKE WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIM DOES HE NOT THINK MEPHONE4 IS ACTUALLY SENTIENT OR SOMETHING? DOES HE LIKE TORTURING HIM? EVERYONE'S FUCKING DEAD
(25:40) ohh no.. Bow probably can't be X'd anyway, does she really have to do. that. to someone .....sighhh. if Apple's okay with that happening (somehow) I guess it's not as scary. I won't understand the opinion but I don't really need to tbh.
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Emeto list
Thought I'd post this now. I've got quite the list building up, and frequently add to it. Enjoy!
Anime:
Tokyo Ghoul
S1, Ep 1 (15:20)
S1, Ep 2 (0:14, 13:29)
S1, Ep 3 (7:57)
S3, Ep 9 (17:57)
S3, Ep 15 (14:10)
Saiki K
S1, Ep 2 (5:18)
S1, Ep 12 (10:10)
S1, Ep 17 (20:10)
S2, Ep 6 (9:04)
S2, Ep 11 (2:47)
My Hero Academia
S1, Ep 3 (11:28)
S2, Ep 25 (37 - 6:53)
S5, Ep 20 (108 - 9:00)
S5, Ep 21 (109 - 17:49)
S5, Ep 23 (111 - 19:49)
Haikyuu
S1, Ep 3 (21:16)
S1, Ep 5 (22:15)
S2, Ep 12 (1:20)
OVA (vs Failing Marks - 21:16)
S2, Ep 17 (16:22)
Black Butler
S1, Ep 5 (7:32)
S2, Ep 5(29 - 18:37)
S3, Ep 5 (41 - 17:39)
S3, Ep 9 (45 - 19:51)
Jujutsu Kaisen
Ep 23 (13:40)
Attack on Titan
S1, Ep 5 (11:04)
S3, Ep 39 (10:17)
S3, Ep 49 (15:17)
S3, Ep 56 (4:45)
S4, Ep 62 (10:38)
S4, Ep 83 (20:20)
Bungou Stray Dogs
S1, Ep 11 (15:17)
S4, Ep 37 (12:42)
S5, Ep 52 (4:58, 5:30)
Welcome To the Ballroom
Ep 22 (7:48)
Gintama
Ep 2 (5:53)
Ep 35 (16:48)
Ep 57 (9:09)
Ep 65 (15:35)
Ep 239 (4:54, 6:09, 7:19)
Ep 252 (9:17)
Naruto
S1, Ep 11 (9:15)
S2, Ep 2 (28 - 12:42)
S2, Ep 6 (32 - 2:40)
Re: Zero
Ep 5 (22:55)
Ep 8 (15:38)
Ep 15 (0:33)
Ep 37 (3:42)
Ep 38 (16:54)
Evangelion 3.0+1.0
(24:05, 30:23)
Black Lagoon
S1, Ep 1 (19:28)
S2, Ep1 (18:15)
Run with the Wind
Ep 7 (3:09)
Ep 12 (11:08)
Ep 16 (13:46)
Zombie Land Saga
S2 Ep 1 (11:56)
Deadman Wonderland
Ep 5 (19:28, 21:24)
Mob Psycho 100
S2 Ep 6 (17:48)
S3, Ep 8 (1:30)
Beyond the Boundary
Ep 6 (12:47)
The God of Highschool
Ep 5 (0:57)
Rent-a-Girlfriend
Ep 18 (16:54, 19:33)
The Eden of Grisaia
Ep 3 (4:43, 11:01, 13:34)
Chainsaw Man
Ep 7 (19:27)
Number24
Ep 11 (20:14)
One Piece (whump)
Zoro: Ep 402 (22:35), Ep 403 (22:50)
Luffy: Ep 393 (8:08) Live Action
Ep 2 (38:16)
Ep 4 (26:00, 33:56)
Ep 5 (37:50)
Kdrama & etc:
KinnPorsche
Ep 2 (37:45)
Ep 4 (47:34)
Ep 9 (4:42, 24:53)
Danger Zone: The Dark Night
Ep 1 (13:54, 19:30)
Live action/Sitcom:
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
S6, Ep 1 (18:02)
S6, Ep 4 (15:10)
S6, Ep 7 (18:00)
S7, Ep 2 (10:05)
S9, Ep 7 (14:56)
How I Met Your Mother
S1, Ep 15 (17:33)
S2, Ep 16 (10:07)
S5, Ep 17 (15:34)
S6, Ep 6 (6:49)
S9, Ep 1 (6:08)
S9, Ep 8 (12:57)
S9, Ep 17 (1:00)
Supernatural
S2, Ep 3 (6:30)
S2, Ep 11 (20:22)
S3, Ep 9 (21:30)
S4, Ep 8 (21:18)
S5, Ep 21 (9:37)
S6, Ep 5 (37:50)
S6, Ep 15 (7:38)
S8, Ep 12 (10:05)
S9, Ep 23 (2:52)
S11, Ep 10 (8:33)
S11, Ep 17 (30:52)
S15, Ep 10 (24:20)
The magicians
S3, Ep 3 (38:22)
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Going High-Low with Taiwan
And we're back! It’s been awhile since we checked in on Taiwan, and the latest offerings have really run the gamut in terms of quality. Ben, NiNi, and Shan sat down to discuss the state of Taiwanese BL via two recent shows, Anti Reset and Unknown.
Timestamps
The timestamps will now correspond with chapters on Spotify for easier navigation.
00:00:00 - Welcome 00:01:15 - Intro 00:02:11 - Anti Reset and VBL 00:13:13 - Unknown the Series 00:20:16 Unknown: The Pseudo Incest Trope 00:27:53 Unknown: San Pang, Li Li, and Family in the Narrative 00:35:48 Unknown: The Ending Stumble 00:43:32 Unknown: Adapting the Da Ge Novel 00:46:15 Unknown: Final Thoughts and Ratings 00:51:53 - Whither Taiwanese BL?
The Conversation Transcripts!
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00:00:00 - Welcome
NiNi
Welcome to The Conversation About BL, aka The Brown Liquor Podcast.
Ben
And there it is. I’m Ben.
NiNi
I’m NiNi.
Ben
And we’re you’re drunk Caribbean uncle and auntie here sitting on the porch in the rocking chairs.
NiNi
Four times a year we pop in to talk about what’s going on in the BL world.
Ben
We shoot the shit about stories and all the drama going into them. I review from a queer media lens.
NiNi
And I review from a romance and drama lens.
Ben
So if you like cracked-out takes and really intense emotional analysis…
NiNi
If you like talking about artistry, industry, and the discourse…
Ben
And if you generally just love simping…
NiNi
There is a lot of simping on this podcast…
Ben
We are the show for you!
00:01:15 - Intro
Ben
And we're back! This week we will be discussing the state of Taiwanese BL by highlighting two projects that recently finished for us.
NiNi
Shan is here with us. Say hi, Shan.
Shan
Hello people!
NiNi
Shan has to be here because y'all know I don't watch that much Taiwanese BL. [laughs]
Shan
And I watch it all.
Ben
We're going to be talking about the sci-fi BL Anti Reset and we're going to be talking about the Priest adaptation Unknown the series, based on Priest’s novel Da Ge.
NiNi
I am unfamiliar with Anti Reset. I did not watch it.
Ben
NiNi: it's a Taiwanese BL. I don't like it! [Shan laughs] I didn't watch it.
NiNi
I did watch Unknown and I have thoughts about that.
00:02:11 - Anti Reset and VBL
NiNi
Maybe Shan, you could dig in here before we let Ben get into the recap on Anti Reset.
Shan
Anti Reset is part of a recent series of Taiwanese BLs that came from a company called VBL. Stay By My Side, You Are Mine, VIP Only, and then Anti Reset. This was a connected series, all these stories happened in the same universe. The characters did cameos in each other's shows and they all aired in the same time slot one right after the other, over the last several months.
I was not particularly impressed with the quality of these shows and I thought that as the series went on, each show got a little bit worse. [laughs] By the time I was in VIP Only I had really lost interest in what these shows were doing. The stories were weak, the production values were low, they weren't really hitting the usual Taiwanese high watermarks for great casting, good couple chemistry, solid intimacy scenes… The things you can normally reliably count on Taiwan for, were not really showing up in these shows.
So I was, had kind of already lost my faith in this series when Anti Reset started. I think I got two episodes into it and I just decided to just stop watching. It was givin’ me a weird vibe. I was like, “You know what? I don't know what this show is doing and I don't think I wanna find out.”
That's where I think I should hand it off to Ben to talk more about what the show actually ended up doing.
Ben
Oh, man. Trying to describe the premise of this show inherently gives it more credit than it deserves. [Shan and Ben laugh] The premise of the show is that Chu Yi Ping is some sort of humanities professor at a local college. His arm gets injured from pulling his shoulder and his uncle, who runs a experimental tech company, decides that to give him some assistance while he's recovering, they're going to send an experimental house assistant android to his house, which appears in the shape of a really hot guy named Ever 9.
The show wants to go on to be this exploration about how misanthropy presents in people. How do you find humanity in artificial intelligences that are designed to befriend us? It wants to do this exploration of personhood—I don't think it does—and ends up fundamentally becoming a mail-order bride show that doesn't realize it is one. This show thinks it's doing deep analysis of AI personhood and romance, but it's not. It's just presenting things. It is kind of a mess and I ended up really not liking it.
NiNi
I'm a big sci-fi girl. I like these kinds of explorations of the human condition. It's what all the best sci-fi is about. So, basically what you're telling me is don't watch the show. [laughs]
Shan
Ben, I feel like when I was observing discourse about this show, it did seem like it was working for some people, and I'm curious if you have thoughts about what parts of the show maybe did work better than others.
Ben
I think that if you found the leads attractive and you enjoyed the chemistry that the leads were going for—ignoring literally any of the context about what was going on around their interactions—you could enjoy that. But I don't think the show does a great job of addressing its own context.
You've got this android living in your house who is doing your house chores and making your food for you, and otherwise taking care of you. So you basically have purchased a housewife. But then he decides he's in love with the housewife and wants to pursue the concept that the android has a personality and is capable of reciprocating his feelings and such. But they don't do a good job creating this crossover point where Ever 9 cares about Chu Yi Ping because of who Ever 9 is and not because of what Ever 9 was programmed to be.
The issue, too, with Chu Yi Ping is he's got this fundamental misanthropy that isn't really addressed or challenged. What is it about Ever 9 that allows him to not hate him the way he hates other people? The fact that Ever 9 is programmed to put up with all of his shit all the time? That's kinda weird, particularly because they went for a multi-year separation at the end, and I'm like, he didn't grow from this. He's just a sad little weirdo the whole time.
Shan
They did a multi-year separation between… a man and a robot?
Ben
They did.
NiNi
I was about to say— [all laugh]
Shan
I mean! I’m like, what? But, like—, Did—, How—, But—, I—
NiNi
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I have another related question.
Ben
Please, go on. [Ben and Shan laugh]
NiNi
This is not a story about an AI achieving self-awareness or sentience or crossing the human-digital divide in some way.
Ben
It wants to be that. It really wants to be a story about Ever 9 exceeding his programming. They very much think there's, like, a Pinocchio thing going on with him.
Shan
He's still a robot.
NiNi
Even Pinocchio turned into a real boy at the end.
Shan
Right, this is what I don't understand.
NiNi
So what is the point, then? If nothing actually changes about Ever 9.
Ben
This is one of the fundamental questions I've been asking about BL lately. [all laugh] And here we are again.
Shan
What is the point? [laughs]
NiNi
This is the thing that people don't get about sci-fi a lot. Sci-fi is more philosophy than science. It's a lot more about humanity and the things that humanity does to each other and how humanity evolves than it is about the cool things that the science can do. And whenever I see sci-fi that does not understand that, you can tell.
Shan
I think—and I wonder how you feel about this, Ben—one of the tension points here may be trying to take a narrative like this and turn it into a straightforward romance between a person and an object. When I've seen stories with this conceit done well, the romance is maybe not the primary point, and it's more about, like NiNi is saying, the philosophical questions underpinning it. I think about something like Lars and the Real Girl, which is more about the nature of loneliness and the nature of grief and how a community can come together to support somebody in finding a way to be happy. But it's not about the actual romance between the person and the thing. It feels like maybe what's difficult here is they want to examine those things, but at the same time they just want this to be a standard BL where they're just executing romance tropes. Those things don't go together that well.
Ben
I agree. I feel like Chu Yi Ping’s misanthropy and disconnectedness from other people should have been the crux of the storytelling, and they were more focused on making the android say hyung and oppa instead.
NiNi
For me, if you're gonna do a robot story like this, maybe you actually put somebody else into the story who the main character then falls in love with. The main character is able to interact with the robot to actually, themselves, become a real boy. But somebody in the story has to become a real boy! [laughs] That's the whole—you know what I mean?
Shan
There's a kdrama that I really love called I'm Not a Robot. And that is pretty much how they handled that. There's a robot, there's a real girl. And in the end, the romance is with the real girl, not the robot. [laughs]
It just feels like they tried to do that sort of story, but also somehow make the robot the main person without having them actually achieve personhood, and that just doesn't really work.
NiNi
It's either that or take it dystopian. Take it in the opposite direction. But then I guess that's not a BL.
Shan
Right. So you can also take it in the real fucked up direction, but yeah, you have to commit and it sounds like they just tried to do it all in some kind of weird blend that didn't come together.
NiNi
So, I'm guessing this one's a chop, Ben.
Ben
Oh, it's 100% a chop. I think I ended up giving it a 5? This is a show that I do not recommend at all. If you just want to see pretty decently attractive Taiwanese actors kind of moon at each other a little bit and make out a little bit, by all means! Go in and have a great time. But that's what you're getting out of it, at most. It's not good sci-fi, and I don't like it. At all.
Shan
I'm feeling happy with my choices. I'm gonna not return and finish this one. I think I'm gonna let it lie. It sounds like it was the right choice to not finish it for me.
Ben
What did we get out of the VBL project? My only positive takeaway from it is, I'm really glad that they got some money together to continue making small budget Taiwanese BL. I don't want small budget Taiwanese BL to give up, but also, these were not the best offerings that we've gotten out of that.
Shan
They need some better scripts.
Ben
We gotta do better. I really did not want to be super harsh about VBL and a bunch of their projects but, they're kind of really frustrating in a lot of ways. Stay By My Side ends abruptly. You Are Mine does not do the boss-employee romance any real justice. VIP Only ended up being kinda boring and wasn't really satisfying in its conclusion. And this one just really did not understand the expectations of sci-fi storytelling.
When we looked at the descriptions of all these shows ahead of time, we were like, there's a lot of ways that they could fuck this up royally, but these would actually be pretty good, or at least interesting and compelling in some ways. But they weren't. There's some sort epilogue episode or some shit they're gonna be releasing?
Shan
A little special to try to sell merch, I think.
NiNi
I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Shan
Yeaaaaah.
Ben
Not impressed, and we are moving on.
NiNi
You're not even gonna rate it?
Ben
Oh, I gave it a 5.
NiNi
5 for Anti Reset from The Conversation.
Ben
And the 5 is, the leads were actually pretty solid with each other.
NiNi
Wow, that is damning with the faintest of praise.
[all laugh]
Ben
It's not good, y’all.
00:13:13 - Unknown the Series
NiNi
Let's leave that behind and move on to something that all of us actually watched and I think liked a little bit more. Moving on to Unknown the series.
Ben, give us the rundown, what is Unknown the series about?
Ben
Unknown is a found family narrative that has to deal with the way these relationships change as people grow up. This brother and sister end up deciding to adopt a homeless kid who's in their neighborhood. Wei Qian is like a high schooler trying to take care of his little sister ‘cause their parents are dead, and they decide to also take care of this kid, Xiao Yuan. Xiao Yuan is appreciative of this and is glad to become a brother to this family. But as he grows and matures, he ends up developing deep affection for Wei Qian, and we spend the bulk of the story dealing with Xiao Yuan struggling with his feelings for Wei Qian, and how this impacts the community around them.
Beyond the three siblings, we have their neighbor San Pang, whose family has opted to never raise the rent on the Wei siblings to make sure that they have a place to stay. Wei Qian spends much of his adolescence when he's not in school working for the local gang: complications ensue as a result of this.
Shan, further thoughts?
Shan
Really, at its heart, this is a relationship change narrative. So, it's all about how this family decide to take each other as family and then as they grow up, some of the relationships start to shift and change, not only between Wei Qian and Wei Yuan, but also between Wei Li Li and San Pang. Wei Qian really takes his responsibilities as the older brother—but also the default patriarch of this family—very seriously. He is a caretaker, he is the person providing financially for the family. San Pang is his best friend, someone who's known him his whole life, who completely understands his devotion to his siblings and also loves them, as well, as an older brother figure.
There are some other characters in the mix. Qian and San Pang end up going into business with a third partner, named Lao Xiong. There's also the local gang—the lead gangster is called Le—and then there's Doctor Lin, played by our beloved Sam Lin, who's also in the mix as a side character who comes in and out of the story.
I don't know, NiNi, if you wanted to add anything about your overall impressions of what the story is tackling, the themes.
NiNi
I came into this one later than you guys did, so I was catching up on kind of a binge. And also the rhythms of Taiwanese BL and Taiwanese drama are a little harder for me, so it takes me a while to get into things emotionally. So I was doing a little bit of an uphill climb? I understood where the story was going and what they were trying to do. I didn't all the way feel it? There were points that I would hit, definitely a point at the end or near the end that I felt it, but going through the pockets of the story as it was happening, I didn't get the depth of feeling about this that I would get about a story. That's not necessarily to do with it being a Taiwanese story, ‘cause there's Taiwanese stories that I have that depth of feeling about. Just this one didn't hit me in the exact same way that I think it hit you guys.
Shan
I felt this story deeply. I was very emotionally connected to the characters, very, very invested in this story and really did love it. I have, unfortunately, some serious critiques [laughs] for the way that the story ended up, but really loved it along the way, was super invested. And part of that might come from my relative comfort with the tropes that were at play.
NiNi
It might be, because I'm an eldest sibling and I understand the feelings of responsibility and wanting to be somebody who takes care of your siblings and an example for them and to be strong for them and all of that. If there is any character that I really glommed onto, it was Wei Qian. But then what that left me with was a disconnect from some of his thought processes and actions later down in the story? There were things that I wanted to understand more that I didn't understand about the way that he was processing certain things. That's my thing. That's not a problem with the story, I think that's my reaction to the story.
Ben
I think in the early parts of the story I was really with everything that it was doing. I got Wei Qian’s whole deal fairly quickly. He's, like, 13 to 15 and his mom is dead. His dad is dead or not in the picture. And he's got a little sister that he has to take care of. And the neighbors are willing to help accommodate this but he's gotta get money some sort of way, so he ends up wrapped up with the local gang. I also got the way they would feel sympathy for another kid who's on the street struggling as well. I totally get them adopting someone else who seems like he's going through some shit the way they are too.
I got the way Yuan’s thankfulness about being saved from the street and the way Wei Qian was willing to sacrifice himself for Yuan, and I totally get that turning into a kind of devotion that shifts over time, and mingles with his latent queerness. I was able to follow Yuan down that route. And I liked the way the show treated all of those developments really seriously. From Wei Qian having some sort of sexual related trauma and being really resistant to advances from women… And I also got the way that that sort of blew up in their faces when Yuan's feelings became known to them.
I really enjoyed the early parts of the story. I think Ray Jiang directed this? Ray’s tendency to use longer shots of characters working in the space together worked really well for me here, and the actors had really good timing for me to get a strong sense of the dynamics between their characters. So I was really able to pull a lot of the expected emotional beats out of a lot of little things in this show early on.
00:20:16 Unknown: The Pseudo Incest Trope
Ben
I actually waited until like week six, I think, Shan, was when you told me it was time to start watching? I have deep qualms with the stepbrothers trope. I don't usually connect to it or enjoy it.
NiNi
I don't have an issue with the stepbrothers trope, but this didn't feel like stepbrothers to me. The relationship between Wei Qian and Yuan felt almost paternalistic, and that was, I think, deliberately something that Wei Qian did put that distance between them. I did not see how Wei Qian overcame that, he did it so deliberately and he reinforced it so deliberately over and over throughout the years, and I feel like the turn into romance didn't quite work for me?
Ben
Why do you think the stepbrothers taboo doesn't normally bother you the way it might for other people?
NiNi
It depends on how long they've been raised together. A lot of times when we're getting these stepbrothers trope stories, they're new stepbrothers or they haven't been stepbrothers for very long, or they were close to adults when their parents got together. And so it's… doesn't feel like a sibling relationship to me.
Ben
Shan, you've watched a lot of dramas.
Shan
Sure have.
Ben
What's your read of the stepbrother stuff?
Shan
I wanted to talk about accurate categorization here, because this is not actually a stepbrothers trope. The stepbrothers trope is very popular in yaoi manga, and consequently in BL. But Unknown is more, I think, accurately categorized as a pseudo incest story. And that goes beyond BL. That is actually quite popular [laughs] in Asian dramas more broadly, and also shows up quite a lot in het romance. And it's more about people who are coming together in some kind of family arrangement, and then the point of the trope is that the relationship changes over time and we follow that relationship change.
There's this impression, I think, that people like it mostly because, “Ooh, it's so titillating. It's so taboo.” For folks who enjoy the pseudo incest trope—and I count myself one of them, I've watched a lot of these kinds of dramas—the appeal of it is that a relationship change narrative is really interesting. It's a lot of deep emotional stuff when you are talking about someone who's really important to you in one specific way, and then trying to transform that relationship to have them be important to you in a different way. That can feel really risky and really dangerous, to put at threat the relationship that you already have for the relationship that you now want. That is not a dynamic that is exclusive to the pseudo incest trope!
NiNi
It feels like an extension of friends to lovers.
Shan
Exactly.
NiNi
A higher risk, higher degree of difficulty friends to lovers.
Shan
Exactly right, NiNi. I also love the friend to lovers trope. I also like enemies to lovers, which is maybe not as deep, but still revolves around that relationship change. I think for a lot of people, that's the appeal. It's a higher stakes version of the friends to lovers trope.
I think Unknown did a fantastic job with this trope… for the first three quarters of its story. Unfortunately, where it fell down was in the most important part, which is that relationship turn. We followed Yuan through his relationship turn. We saw his feelings for Qian change over time. We saw him try his best to cope with them alone. We saw when he could no longer do that and the feelings poured out of him and that caused a huge rupture. We saw him take time away. We saw his devotion stay strong through a separation and through many years apart. We saw him come back as an adult and decide to pursue the relationship he wanted because he was so certain that he still wanted it. We saw that whole process for Yuan.
Where the show really dropped the ball is that we didn't see that same deep process happen for Wei Qian. We saw it start, we saw him learn about his younger brother's feelings for him and have an initial response of shock and anger and some revulsion. We saw him push Yuan away. We saw him miss him terribly and regret pushing him away. We saw him start to change the way he saw him when he came back as an adult, and start to get more comfortable with seeking him out as a partner instead of as a younger brother. And then we just saw an abrupt flipped switch, where suddenly he was comfortable not only being in a romance, but in a sexual relationship. And I think that's where they really dropped the ball, is in that transition at the end. And unfortunately, that was the most important part of the story. [laughs] So it's a pretty shitty place to drop the ball, show!
But, this show did so many of my favorite things—found family, intergenerational family trauma, a serious relationship change narrative. These are like three of my most favorite things in drama. The characters were struggling through poverty, that's another big thing that I love to see depicted well in drama, and the show took it seriously. This show, it felt like, was almost made in a lab to, like, hook me in the heart. And I still have a lot of warm feelings about it and love it, even though it kind of let me down in the end.
But I'm curious, Ben, to hear you reflect, because I know versions of this trope have caused trouble for you before. I feel like you did better with this than you maybe thought you would, Ben.
Ben
So as someone who has had slurs thrown at him with real intent, I am particularly sensitive to narratives that wanna play with taboo that reflects some of the worst disingenuous presumptions about how queer people behave. I don't always enjoy these sort of narratives where they wanna deal with family members coming of age and developing feelings for each other and then wanting to pursue them. I often struggle with stepsibling relationships in particular because their parents had a romance. I don't usually enjoy the discord that the stepbrothers relationship is introducing to the genuine attempt by their parents to blend their families.
I don't think this show prickled that because they're more akin to orphans than stepsiblings. I'm less perturbed by orphans who use familial terms to establish closeness and present themselves as a unit to other people, wanting to change that down the road. Also, a smart thing the show did was they used three actors to play Yuan to reflect his growth and change over time, which was a very good choice for this kind of story.
00:27:53 Unknown: San Pang, Li Li, and Family in the Narrative
Shan
The other piece of this trope—the pseudo incest trope—that adds a layer, is that the taboo associated with incest does become part of the story. The external community and their other loved ones become an important part of the decision-making around the relationship change. You're gonna see other people being uncomfortable with the change in the relationship, so it adds this layer of complexity.
Here, the most important and main stand-in for that, we have San Pang, who has been raised alongside them as their neighbor, who also sees himself as an older brother to Yuan and Li Li, who is the first person to catch on to Yuan’s feelings. He is the one who puts it together and sees the way Yuan’s feelings are changing, and he's the one who tells Qian. In the wake of his coming out to Qian—admitting that he is gay, but not saying who he likes—San Pang is the one who says, “I'm pretty sure you're the person he likes, bro,” and he tries to interfere. He goes to Yuan on his own and he says,”I am seeing this. I want you to understand that it's not something you can pursue. You're going to put so much stress on your brother if you let him find out.”
There are some great scenes between San Pang and Yuan where they have really important conversations about why it's quote unquote wrong for him to feel this way about Qian, why San Pang feels so uncomfortable with it. He tries to intervene. It doesn't work, and then San Pang’s the one who helps Qian come up with a plan to send Yuan abroad. He was a very important part of that storyline.
He also is a very important part of the storyline when Yuan comes back as an adult, because he, in those intervening years, has gone through his own journey of his changing feelings for somebody that he also considered a quasi-sibling, and has maybe mellowed out a little bit about what it would mean for the two of them to be together. He sees that the feelings are still there, sees how miserable Qian was when Yuan was gone, and he kind of changes his tune and says, “Maybe I was wrong to try to get in the way of this. Maybe this is the thing that will make you, my best friend in the world who I love, happy, and maybe that's right.” He was such a crucial character in this narrative and I just really loved the way the show used his character as a stand-in for what you would normally see happen with parents in a drama like this.
NiNi
He just wanted to protect everybody. He wants to protect them individually, he wants to protect their family unit. It's very sweet.
Ben
He's like the big cousin who also doesn't know what to do. Wei Qian is stuck with this role, having to care for his sister and the brother that they adopted. That takes a huge amount of personal fortitude to choose to do all of that. San Pang clearly sees this from a young age, and he's always trying to help the best he can. But he's just as young as them and it’s not like he brings any special knowledge to the table. He has these instincts that are grounded in the expected orthodoxy of a family unit, and he's trying to help them replicate that, because he earnestly believes that maybe these things can help them.
Like, he recognizes that Wei Qian is alone with this huge responsibility he's carrying, and reasonably decides that maybe if he gets a partner who can appreciate that, the mental load on Wei Qian would be better. And as far as he knows, Wei Qian likes girls, so he tries to find women who might be interested in him. That doesn't go well. It's the same thing with always showing up at the clinic when Wei Qian gets the shit beat out of him with the gangster stuff. And even with Yuan, Yuan's feelings come up and he tries to help them, and even when they suggest sending Yuan away, they just wanted him to get some room from Wei Qian to maybe feel something for someone else. Yuan being gay was not their biggest concern. Yuan having feelings for Wei Qian was their primary concern.
I joked, when he came back sassier and even gayer, that he clearly found his people [laughs] while was in New York.
Shan
[laughs] Mmhmm.
Ben
And I ended up really loving San Pang for that. Despite his reticence about Wei Qian, he ends up developing feelings for Li Li, and I think it's because they had those big fights where he was forced to reckon with the nature of these taboos and the orthodoxy they enforce, and whether or not they applied here or not. I feel like San Pang ending up in a relationship with Li Li is intentional by the narrative to draw that line and say, “If this is okay, why not this?”
Shan
We should talk more about Li Li. One of the things I do credit this show with is caring about the whole family as a unit, and not only about the romance. Her involvement in the story and her relationship with her brothers was just a really important aspect to drive that point home.
I loved Li Li as a character. She's the little sister that everybody takes care of, including Yuan. She's the one who let him in. When he first followed Wei Qian home, she claimed him as her brother first and brought him into the family. She has a very close but also very different relationship with each of her brothers. And we saw how those bonds held and shifted over time. And when their relationship changed and they decided to be together romantically, Li Li accepted it.
I think she always knew that their relationship was different. What was interesting, I think, and such a good choice, is that she never seemed to feel threatened by that. She was comfortable and secure, knowing that they both loved her. Even though their relationship could maybe sometimes crowd her out.
Ben
I really liked that moment in episode 11. We got this little breakdown from her about how nobody cares about Qian. She started to really process, as an adult now, that Wei Qian hid a lot of his suffering from them.
I actually really like that Li Li got to do teenage rebellion. It says a lot about how effectively Wei Qian did his role as provider that she got to be a bratty teen.
NiNi
I feel like as a family story this hits me more than as a romance. Wei Qian’s relationship with both Yuan and Li Li feels parental more than sibling. Li Li and Yuan feel like siblings.
Shan
One of the interesting choices that I really appreciate in the story—in the early stages—is that while Wei Qian, I think, was trying to be a parental figure to both of them, Yuan never really accepted that, even when he was younger. And we saw that theme repeat throughout the show of Yuan saying, “You don't have to do it alone. I'm here to help you.” He always, always, always wanted to be a partner to Wei Qian.
NiNi
That is true, but this is coming from Yuan’s side. I absolutely see how Yuan made sure, maybe not even consciously, he wanted it to be clear where the boundaries were and the boundary was that, “We are family, we love each other, but you are not my parent, you are not my brother, you are somebody that I am partnered with. We are doing this together in this way.” Yuan always made that distinction. Wei Qian [laughs] is my problem here.
00:35:48 Unknown: The Ending Stumble
Shan
We should get into where the show stumbled hard, because that's what it all comes down to, right? This big stumble in episode 11.
NiNi
Yeah, it just kind of sits over everything and it sits over my entire perception of the story now. I feel like I can't even think of the rest of the story without thinking about how it didn't take me where it needed to go at the end. Yuan comes back to Taiwan and it feels like for Wei Qian, maybe some things have changed, but he's doing a lot to not let this thing happen. And it doesn't feel like a thing that he's fighting against—’cause if it felt like something that he was fighting against, I feel like I could buy it. If it's something that his heart really desires, but his brain is telling him he can't do, like, that works, right? But it doesn't feel like that.
I don't get where he got shaken. Like, I got the emotional shake. When Yuan gets kidnapped, ‘cause that's a thing that happens, you feel that fear that he had in that moment that he would lose Yuan. I understood why in that moment he would accept that he maybe had these emotions, these feelings that he needed to interrogate for Yuan, and they were churning him up inside, and they got broken out by this thing that happened that shook him. The emotional turn, totally believed. The turn where that goes romantic and sexual, that's the part that—it didn't carry me there.
Shan
I do agree with that last bit of what you said. I don't see it the same way as you in terms of not seeing the arc of his feelings starting to change. I think that was very clearly the arc of episodes 7 through 10 for Qian. During their separation, we saw how not functional, frankly, he was without Yuan around. He survived, he got through every day, but he was deeply unhappy. Everybody in his life could see it. He was regretful, he was missing him all the time. And punishing himself and withholding himself from talking to Yuan.
When Yuan came back, he started to interact with him differently. We saw the way that his physical awareness of him was different. We saw him start to seek him out more. We did see him start letting him in on some adult problem solving like he wouldn't have before. He still had his walls up, of course, he was still trying to consciously deny that he was willing to change their relationship in that way. But I do think the show took us through and showed us some very clear moments where his feelings were starting to shift and he was still fighting it. And then, of course, the kidnapping incident really shook him up.
I think where the failure for me happened was in the moment where this suddenly turned into a sexual desire that we hadn't seen build, at all. And so that is the missing piece for me. They needed a couple more beats in the story there, between him coming to this emotional realization of his desire to keep Yuan next to him forever, and for that to then build into a sexual attraction that he was comfortable acting on. And I think that latter part is where they really dropped the ball. They have him literally say, “I'm not ready yet. I haven't figured out what I'm comfortable with yet.” And then like, literally two minutes later, he's like, “Fuck it, never mind.” And they're just going to town on each other.
That didn't work for me at all. It was a very strange choice. It was a mistake. The show just really fumbled, and it sucks because they fumbled at the most important part of the story after building it so beautifully for ten weeks to just drop the ball that hard. It's a little bit baffling to me?
Ben
Episode 10 ends at the huge emotional turn for Wei Qian. And it was really frustrating for the show to conflate the emotional turn and the sexual turn and try and follow that immediately with the sex in the next episode. That was not the right choice. If the show had done the emotional turn and then spent at least half the episode dealing with this building sexual tension, that would have been interesting.
The show was obsessed with staying on Yuan's perspective the whole time. It would have been totally fine if Yuan was crackling with sexual energy at the knowledge that Wei Qian had finally hit the emotional turn. But instead they really wanted to have reward sex and then focus on this stupid health scare plot. The problem is, the sex scene isn't good because there's no arc to it. Yuan has been ready to fuck this man for ten years and Wei Qian hasn't been ready to fuck anyone for, like, 15 years.
They brought up this whole notion that part of Wei Qian's closed-off nature about sex is because his mom possibly abused him. And I just really did not enjoy the show rushing into this sudden sexual comfortability with Wei Qian after showing us that he did not have a good relationship with sex, and I feel like that needed to be resolved before those two were going to be able to have that sort of moment. As a result, the sex scene doesn't create much of an emotional arc, and the show knows this too, because they fucking fill it with stupid Yuan flashbacks. This should be about the change in Wei Qian, not the culmination of Yuan's feelings.
Wei Qian's reticence about sex is not handled by the story, whether it be discovering queerness in himself or processing the sexual trauma from his mom or getting over whatever blocks about the kid you see as your brother wants to be with you. That part of it was missing when they had set up for it with the end of episode 10, where Wei Qian let down whatever big emotional barrier was between, “I need to protect Yuan,” versus, “I don't wanna be without Yuan.” They were prepped for it, totally, to go into that next area. And then they just didn't, and decided to make it about Wei Qian having a blood clot.
NiNi
All the pieces were actually there, they're just in the wrong order. There's a scene after the fact where they're doing this dating SIM game or whatever at work and Wei Qian is having these flashbacks to the sex scene. Why did they not let him have that moment as a fantasy moment before—
Shan
Yes!
NiNi
—rather than a flashback moment after?
Ben
That's what I also thought at the time. But you know how angry I get on this podcast [Ben and Shan laugh] about having to mentally rejigger the show [NiNi laughs] to make it fucking work. I will not!
Shan
Besties! That's what they do in the book! That is exactly what they do in the book! [laughs]
Ben
That's so fuckin’ aggravating. [laughs] I’m so fucking mad!
Shan
It’s so aggravating! All the things we're saying they should have done, they fucking did in the book! And I don't [claps hands together] know why the show didn't do it. I'm so mad!
Ben
She clappin’, yo, she mad.
[all laugh]
00:43:32 Unknown: Adapting the Da Ge Novel
Shan
We haven't talked too much yet about the novel, but I do wanna talk a little bit about some of the adaptation choices that were made here. This show is an adaptation of the novel Da Ge by Priest, who is a very well known danmei author. Other live action adaptations of her books include Word of Honor, Guardian, Justice in the Dark... several others, a lot of them have now been shelved or didn't get to finish airing because of the ban in China. So, it was extremely exciting for fans of her works to see a Taiwanese production take up an adaptation of one of her books, because we know that we're not gonna get good adaptations of danmei anymore out of China, because they are banning queer content and censoring it all to hell—even more than other countries.
They made a lot of really smart adaptation choices in the way that they structured the show. The book is a lot more complex, in the way that most Priest novels are. There's a lot more characters, the plots are far more intricate, there's a lot more going on. There's an additional member of the family in the book. There's another best friend in the building. There are, like, three different gangs [laughs] instead of one. There's this whole corporate real estate plot that's tied to Wei Qian's work. It's a lot more complex.
The show did, I think, a fantastic job of making choices to streamline the story, to make it simple enough to fit into a 12 episode arc while still retaining the core themes and the core relationships. And it also did some really great work around the cultural pieces. Mainland China has a lot more deep homophobia, fatphobia, some real weirdness around the way, in media, that sex and gay sex in particular get discussed, and this show really smoothed all of that out.
Where they really blew it on the adaptation is at this end arc. You see all these aspects of Wei Qian's emotional journey that we are lamenting the show missed. I don't really understand why the show decided to ignore that material in favor of doing what it did instead. A lot of the stuff in the final arc was not in the book at all. If you are someone who loved this story and is disappointed in the ending, I just can't recommend highly enough that you read that book.
Ben
That's the theme of this episode. [laughs] If you enjoyed these shows, go do something else.
Shan
[laughs] Do something else! No, but do watch Unknown. I do love this show. I don't wanna say that you shouldn’t watch it, but you should go read the book too, ‘cause it'll fill in some pieces that we're missing here.
00:46:15 Unknown: Final Thoughts and Ratings
Ben
I totally get NiNi maybe not being super connected to what was goin’ on, and if they had not fucked up episode 11, it just would have been an interesting conversation about, where does this gap form? But now we're bogged down in the fact that it's easy to point to the lack of payoff. I watched episode 12 this morning before we're recording this session. And I was like, “Okay, I guess this is fine.” [Shan laugh] This is meant to feel like, almost, epilogue. And I enjoyed the big family hand hold. But I really feel like they really failed at the final steps of the “Yuan and Wei Qian are now a couple” turn, which is really annoying because there were so many things that it did great.
In the very final episode, there's this really great sequence when we learn that Li Li is pregnant and they have the reaction in the hallway and everybody's coming out of different doors that you don't expect.
Shan
That is the funniest scene.
Ben
Every time Wei Qian wanted to kill San Pang? [Shan laughs] Some of the best scenes in this show. Like, fucking Yuan sitting on the couch eatin’ his tomatoes, he was enjoying the chaos. We got this other woman who might be with Wei Qian, “I can take care of my brother.”
[Ben and Shan laugh]
Shan
He's like, “Don't you worry about it.” I did love those moments of Yuan being like, “Oh, I'm not the family problem now, ha!” [laughs] He's just like sitting back and enjoying it.
Even at the end, I was frustrated with the last two episodes, but I still had a lot of affection for these characters and this family. This isn't an ending that completely ruined the show, for me.
Ben
Shan has a bat she holds called coulda been a 10 that she bashes sh—
Shan
Yes! [laughs]
Ben
—bashes shows with.
Shan
Goddammit! One of the pieces of my frustration here is that this was on track to possibly be the best Taiwanese BL ever made.
NiNi
Okay, so ratings. Shan, let's have you go first. What do you rate Unknown?
Shan
I gave it a 9. I had to take out my coulda been a 10 bat.
I think that the narrative and the character work was so strong through the first 10 episodes that I can't take it lower than that. It's sticking with me. It's been a while since I finished the show, and I still think about it every single day. I think about these characters all the time, and that's not gonna go away just because the last couple episodes were a little bit disappointing for me.
NiNi
Ben, how about you?
Ben
Because I am in the business of recommending things—it's my whole shtick—this is an 8.5. It sits between “BL fans should watch this” and “People who like romance should watch this,” for me. I can't give it a 9 because I feel really strongly about the episode 11/12 caveats. But I don't wanna pretend that I didn't think that this cast did a really great job capturing the nuances of their dynamics. And even if they're let down a little bit by some of the direction and writing choices towards the end, I think that the family portion of this is so good, genuinely. So I do think this show is worth watching for people who enjoy the kinds of narratives the show wants to play with. We just need to understand that it stumbles at the end.
NiNi?
NiNi
I'm having a hard time with this one because in my head this isn't a BL. If I had to put it into a category in my head, it would get slotted near to something like a Moonlight Chicken or 180 D. But it doesn't have the queer bona fides that either of those have. It feels like a family drama that had a romance in it that happened to be this kid falling in love with somebody who is taking care of him. But the idea of it being a central romance, I just didn't buy. So it was a difficult one for me to rate in terms of how I felt about it as a romance.
In the end, I ended up at an 8 for the show. I think as a family drama, it's excellent. As a family drama, I would probably give it a 9.5 and as a romance, I would probably give it a 7, and so I wind up somewhere in the middle, which for me is an 8. I feel like it's a solid 8 show.
Ben
It's an 8.5 from The Conversation, recommended with specific reservations!
NiNi
You gotta get that .5 in. It's fine.
Shan
We gotta get it in. We gotta—
Ben
That's just how math works!
Shan
—gotta get it in.
NiNi
I know, I'm allowing you to have math. It was a good show.
Ben
It could have been an excellent show, but hmph!
Shan
So close to being one of my all time favorite dramas. It's fine, I'm just gonna go cry about it.
Ben
You were mad about it, because Shan wasn't even buggin’ me on a Saturday, like, “Go watch this show, Ben. Go watch it right now. Wake up, gay boy! Go watch the show so I can talk.”
[Ben and NiNi laugh]
Shan
Ben knew I didn't like the final episodes ‘cause I was not asking him if he watched them yet. [laugh] I was like, I don't wanna talk about it!
00:51:53 - Whither Taiwanese BL?
NiNi
I want us to talk a little bit about where Taiwanese BL is and what's been happening with it lately and whether it is making the leap in the same ways that other countries appear to be making the leap lately. Whatever that leap is for them.
I feel in some ways like Taiwanese BL has been a bit stagnant.
Ben
Taiwan is a super small country and… politically, they have been a little distracted for a few years! They're not in a position to do a ton more with BL right now. I don't think that we're gonna see a huge sudden surge from Taiwan. The best thing about Unknown is that Taiwan is not out of the game altogether, ‘cause I was real worried! The HIStory franchise is in ruins, and we hadn't really seen something of this production caliber in a while.
Shan
I'm with you, Ben. Honestly, when Unknown started airing, I was like, “Oh, thank God, Taiwan can still do it.” I have always been a fan of Taiwanese BLs, which might feel a little bit discordant because [laughs] I am someone who cares a lot about writing and storytelling and story is usually, honestly, the weakest part of Taiwanese BL. They usually don't have good writing. But, what I've always connected to in Taiwanese BLs is, I feel like they have a really good handle on relationship dynamics. They're really good at building characters that connect well with each other emotionally, physically—they've always done really good physical intimacy work in their shows, they usually cast really well for chemistry—and so usually in Taiwanese BLs, it's the characters and the character dynamics that hook me, more than the story.
So I was really excited to see the high quality Taiwanese production that I knew had a good story underpinning it. I hope to see more. I personally had a great time with Kiseki: Dear To Me, but it is not exactly high art. [laughs] And this run of VBL shows was so bad that I was really losing faith. I had made a commitment that I was going to at least try watching every single Taiwanese BL that comes out. I'm still sticking with that, but I was starting to flag a little bit because some of these shows were so bad.
So I was so thrilled to see that they still were doing productions of this caliber. And Unknown has been quite successful and got them a lot of positive attention, and so I'm hopeful that they'll be able to continue putting together productions like this, drawing actors of the caliber that they got for this show. I'm more hopeful because this show happened than I was certainly at the end of the year.
Ben
I will say the way that the Taiwanese actors talk about the work remains one of my favorite things. I be deep in these cast interviews, seein’ what they have to say about this work, and these Taiwanese boys have really nuanced and complex feelings about the work they're doing playing queer characters. I feel the respect and sometimes the duty they feel to get it right in the way they talk about their characters and the work they're doing. That's why I remain very friendly to… even [laughs] some of the jankiest Taiwanese BLs. These boys take playing queerness seriously. It's really warming for me to know that these guys understand that they're portraying queer people and that queer people will be affected by their portrayals.
NiNi
I think I just don't have the connection to Taiwanese drama. I'm coming at this from kdrama, through jdrama, through Thai drama. Taiwan’s the last place that I landed, and I think that I just haven't made the leap yet in terms of style and rhythms and all those other things. Mostly because I don't get to see a lot of it, there is not much. And I think that that definitely impacts how I feel about Taiwanese drama and Taiwanese BL. There are some I love—you know, I'm a staunch lover of HIStory 2: Right or Wrong. You know how I feel about Make Our Days Count. You know how I feel about We Best Love. But none of those, except maybe Right or Wrong, as Shan pointed out, has really stellar writing.
Ben
Why would you mention Make Our Days Count? I'm so mad all of a sudden! [laughs]
Shan
No! Don't go there, Ben. Earmuffs!
NiNi
We're never gonna get out of a Taiwanese BL conversation without it coming up. It just [laughs] isn’t gonna happen.
Ben
[volume raising] Wanna talk about endings for Taiwanese—
Shan
No!
Ben
—BLs?! [laughs]
Shan
No, we do not! Stop. Pause. NiNi, continue your point.
NiNi
What have I done? [laughs]
Yeah, I agree with Shan that the writing isn't great, and that's maybe one of the reasons that I haven't latched on to Taiwanese BL in the way that I have to others, because I am also a writing person. I can get behind a story for other reasons, and I have. I've gotten behind stories that were not written well because there was some other element of them that really grabbed me, and that's what has happened to me in the Taiwanese BLs that I have liked. But just generally, I don't gravitate in this direction, and there hasn't really been anything yet that makes me wanna gravitate more in this direction?
I recognise the strength of character development. I recognise the fantastic acting in a lotta instances, some of these guys are amazing actors. I just, it hasn't moved me in the kind of ways that I've been moved from other things. And it kinda makes me sad in some ways. I'm still looking for that Taiwanese BL that's gonna grab me by the throat. I haven't found that one yet. I'll keep looking.
Shan
It's hard, too, ‘cause like Ben said, it's such a small industry. We don't get that many Taiwanese BLs and we certainly don't get that many of quality. But, I've always really loved the approach to BL that Taiwan brings.
Ben
I really feel like when they make BL, somebody in the room is asking how gay people might feel about some of the choices they're making.
Shan
I'm gonna keep showing up for Taiwanese BL. I'm gonna keep watching them. I really hope that we get to see more productions of this caliber. I hope that we get to see them working from strong source material, so that the storytelling can really live up to what the casts are bringing. I'm excited to see what comes out next.
NiNi
Ray Jiang can stay, though, I like his directorial style. He keeps doing stuff and he hits on something that really pops? I feel like that's the one that's gonna grab me. If I wasn't terrified of what Lin Pei Yu was capable of after Kiseki. If I could get Lin Pei Yu at her best plus Ray Jiang at his best, with basically any of the actors I've ever seen in Taiwanese BL, maybe we'll get something that will grab me by the throat.
Anyway, that is going to wrap us up on… what's the name of this episode?
Shan
Have we decided yet? Hmm.
Ben
The State of Taiwan, Taiwanese BL episode, whatever.
NiNi
Okay. That is going to wrap us up on our Taiwan episode. We out!
Thank you for being here, Shan. Say bye to the people.
Shan
Thank you for having me. Bye, people!
NiNi
Say bye to the people, Ben.
Ben
Peace.
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Strange Tales of Jiang Cheng (江城诡事) - Whump List
Whumpee : Qin Huo Le played by Xia Zhi Guang and Song He played by Caesar Wu
Synopsis : In the early years of the Republic of China, the situation in Jiangzhou in the southwest region was chaotic, which led to frequent spies. Qin Huo Le, who returned from studying abroad, met detective captain Song He and with the help of the quirky female forensic doctor Fan Xiao Fan, the three of them worked together to solve 8 bizarre murder cases and bring justice to the world. (MDL)
Genres : Thriller, Mystery, Investigation, Bromance
Warning! Possible spoilers below!
Qin Huo Le
Ep 1 : None
Ep 2 : (01:35) Arm twisted — (11:35) Throwing up
Ep 3-4 : None
Ep 5 : (12:5) Choked
Ep 6 : (08:55) Crying
Ep 7 : (11:30) Am twisted — (11:55) In handcuffs
Ep 8 : (06:10) Knife at his neck, captured, hands and feet tied, gagged (Gif Set)
Ep 9 : (0:50) Still tied up —(04:45) Knife at his throat — (06:23) Found, untied, taken hostage
Ep 10-23 : None
Ep 24 : (03:05) Arm twisted
Ep 25 : None
Ep 26 : (05:05) Thrown to the ground, attacked, knife at his throat
Ep 27-35 : None
Ep 36 : Missing, suspect in a case
Ep 37 : None
Ep 38 : (00:45) Tied up with rope the whole episode
Ep 39 : (09:30) Still tied up, black hood on his head, gagged, saved — (13:40) Restrained
Ep 40 : (05:25) Wakes up from a nightmare
Ep 41 : None
Ep 42 : (06:45) Fighting, hit — (09:10) Shot at, more fighting, gun pointed at his head — (12:50) Hit several times, choked, punched, Song He comes to the rescue
Ep 43 : (08:25) Handcuffed (wants to infiltrate a prison)
Ep 44 : (03:00) Handcuffed, about to infiltrate a prison (very dangerous), hugged by his friends — (10:25) Manhandled, restrained, force fed something disgusting, coughing
Ep 45 : (01:00) Glass cup smashed on his head, knocked out — (07:10) Wakes up in a cell, holding his stomach, in pain — (12:35) Stomach hurting, sweating
Ep 46 : None
Ep 47 : (02:50) Fighting, hit
Ep 48 : (04:05) Walking unsteadily, holding his stomach, passes out, wakes up in bed, concern for him — (09:10) Crying, vision blurry passes out — (11:30) Wakes up tied up
Ep 49-50 : None
Ep 51 : (01:00) Teary-eyed, fighting — (10:20) Teary-eyed
Ep 52 : (00:50) Teary-eyed, crying — (10:20) Crying
Song He
Ep 1-2 : None
Ep 3 : (10:35) Fighting, choked, in an explosion, found collapsed on the floor, concern for him, helped up, stumbling — (11:30) Wound treated, in pain, alcohol dumped on his wound, screaming in pain (semi-comedic)
Ep 4-12 : None
Ep 13 : (07:30) Feeling unwell, collapses unconscious, concern for him, surrounded by some poison miasma — (09:15) Wakes up, slightly disoriented
Ep 14-27 : None
Ep 30 : (08:55) Surrounded by smoke, coughing, collapses, passes out, concern for him, woken up
Ep 31-38 : None
Ep 39 : (01:50) Fighting, hit
Ep 40 : (02:00) Surrounded by enemies — (03:45) Just had a tough fight, injured, tired, bleeding, saved — (09:20) Grabbed on his injury, wincing in pain
Ep 41-46 : None
Ep 47 : (11:30) Drugged, stumbling, vision blurry, cut with a knife multiple times, hit, fighting, pinned to the ground, stabbed in the chest, jumps through a window, shot, still manages to escape (Gif Set)
Ep 48 : (03:35) Bleeding, barely conscious, concern for him — (09:45) Carried unconscious, concern for him — (12:00) Unconscious in bed, wakes up, pale and feverish, in pain, concern for him
Ep 49 : (00:50) In bed, weak
Ep 50 : None
Ep 51 : (01:25) Slight concern for him, fighting — (06:25) Shot, collapses, bleeding, concern for him
Ep 52 : None
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