#*glen keane my bad

[gielinos]

Someone asked me how would I describe my art style and I'm like ??? I don't know???

the best I can come up with is "autistic kid who grew up watching Disney films and had dreams of studying animation one day tries to mimic the pictures from her childhood"

Just curious while I give it more thought, how would you guys describe my art style? 👀

[vickychendraws]

may i ask what brushes you use? how big do you make your canvas be? (is it different when you make illustrations vs comics) is there any particular thought process in how you panel your comics because the way you do it is so great! i imagine it really encourages one to be very loose with their drawings, more expressive

Here’s a link to the brush pack I have. The brush I use is the one you can see around the S, Y, and K in the image, tho I adjusted it to make it less diffuse.

I typically work on a 2100x2100px or a 2400x2400px (300dpi) canvas (7-8” square).

Lol I’m about to disappoint everyone with my process bc it’s still an incoherent mess. I’ll include some initial sketches from the latest comic and the dress up one as an example, but I really just scribble things out after coming up with the premise. Then, I rely heavily on the lasso tool to rearrange things 😭

In the interest of answering this more seriously, personally, the actual drawing process helps a lot with the writing and paneling. I’ve kinda discovered that I’m not the sort who can methodically plan every step along the way or even pre-write all of the dialogue. After working out the scenario I want to tackle, I just go into sketching with a loose idea of point A to B. (This isn’t to say I haven’t left things on the cutting room floor after the fact bc I have definitely deleted bad pages)

I really need to see how I’ve drawn the expressions and work out the poses while I write dialogue and design the panels. For example, none of my punchlines are ever thought up in advance lol. They usually come up while I’m drawing someone (usually Chilchuck).

But yes! Be loose with your drawings! As the great Glen Keane says “don’t think technically, draw emotionally.” (Cutting this part short bc I started rambling lol)

Hope that answers your questions! :) Thanks so much for reading my goofy comics and sending in an ask!

[franki-lew-yo]

Speaking as a proud monster lubber who also prefers his beast look because no duh...I'm really tired of the passive but somehow unironic fans of Beauty and the Beast dragging the Beast's human look.

Firstly, he's not really all that ugly. He just needs more facial hair and chonk, especially to differenciate him from Tarzan. I know the "can you maybe grow a beard" line was added for the crapremake, but he legit would be fixed with just a few changes. It's like giving Elktaur a nose. It's really not that big a cosmetic different when you get down to it.

first pass edits (top:made eyes less sad and more happyBeast mode; bottom:begins changes)

Added: top chonk, thick eyebrows, beard like how god intended. sideburns, dilf energy. +Keeps deep(er, than regular) voice. Face the facts. +darker dirty blonde, though not nearly as dark as Belle's hair, so he stands out.

Upsides: is more obviously the Beast so people can shut up now about this guy "replacing" Belle's beast ++enough boys lets bring in the men. Coulda been our original Kristoff.

Downside: would def be babymipped into Christian art as a prettyboy Jesus.

The problem with the Human!Beast's design, as those before me have already said, is that he looks ruggardly handsome but standard and it feels like a different character because of that when it was the Beast that Belle and the audience fell in love with.

It's a bad design in lieu of what came before for him. That's it. Enough with your unironic "he should have stayed a beast"-bs. Same goes with that "Rapunzel looks better with long hair" or "Ariel looked better as a mermaid" garbage. Yeah, yeah and Jack Skellington's Christmas was better because it was "more fun". Even in animation where crap that you're expected to be endeared to somewhat despite it being weird in universe to the other characters, you are fundamentally missing the point of the story to ignore that.

Disney Beast is a spoiled crybaby manchild who made the mistake of crossing a fae on her bad day as a teenager, and now had to forever walk around with the ugliness he was and was in threat of becoming forever. He did not want this body. He is trapped in it and has decided to just never get better and be his worst self because of it- he even screams at Belle for almost touching his stuff and goes to save her because it's his fault she just ran out into a wolf-infested blizzard. Gotta love how ya'll only are annoyed with the beast's actions when he's a hawt beautiful glen keane monster and not his true self; a pretty boi spoiled manchild. Aww. You learned nothing.

Speaking of Centaurworld again, this is not a situation where the main character needs to learn to accept his new body as Horse does in that show. This is not the end of How to Train your Dragon where sometimes life sucks and you loose a leg and it's kind of devastating yeah dysphoria amIright-- the Beast did not need to learn to accept his body he needed to learn to accept himself. To be a better person.

Just to be my own kind of pettynontake-All the servant's human designs kick ass and look incredible. They're the true victims of this circumstance. Prince Adam not being your monster bf anymore is a sacrifice worth making for their sake.

[leviathanlazarus]

Thank you so much for the tag @only-a-heartbeat-away I really liked reading yours! ❤️

Favorite songs of all time: THERE ARE TOO MANY but the ones that immediately come to mind:

Age of Man - Geta Van Fleet; Jubilee Street - Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds; Atlantic - Keane; Looking for Space - John Denver; Sunrise - Yeasayer; Cuttooth - Radiohead; Thank You - Led Zeppelin; Read Your Mind - The Killers; Heart Attack - The White Buffalo; Delicate - Taylor Swift; Rhinestone Cowboy - Glen Campbell; Madrigal - Rush; Hounds of Love - Kate Bush; Astral Weeks - Van Morrison

Comfort shows/books/movies:

Shows - Seinfeld, Portlandia, American Dad, Spongebob, Trailer Park Boys, Broad City

Books - the Modern Faerie series by Holly Black

Movies - The Lord of the Rings, Bohemian Rhapsody, Holes, Little Miss Sunshine, Twilight

Favorite rockstars: Nick Cave, Peter Steele, GVF, Jason Newsted, St. Vincent, Carrie Brownstein

Favorite bands: SO MANY and you guys see much of the more prolific ones lol

Hobbies: hiking, camping, writing, reading, gym, baking, playing old Pokemon games, making collages, coloring, Neopets, organizing things.

Four random facts about myself:

1. I've never broken a bone but I do sprain my right ankle almost every autumn. It gets very hard to see roots on hiking trails when the leaves begin to fall and I move very fast, which typically leads to me injuring myself in October lol.

2. Over the past few years, I've had 5 pet rats. Only one remains--her name is Clover and she's my half-bald little patchwork gremlin.

3. I collect animal bones and corpses to preserve, and have many different things on display in my apartment. Right now I have some fox bones, including the skull, that I cleaned and bleached getting some air and sun in my kitchen windowsill lmao.

4. I just had to have my first every surgery, which was getting my tonsils and adenoids removed. At 30 years old, it really is no joke. The recovery is already so much worse than I thought, and I predicted the worst!

I tag @jjwasneverhere @defkisshalen @jake-whatthefisgoingon-kiszka @mackalah @this-will-remain-untitled @writingcold @ramblinguitar @holdingup-fallingsky @pockcock @gracev0609 if y'all want 🌲

[drdavidhuxley]

Because I recently went to see WDAS' most recent film, Wish, and because it's their centennial, and because I'm currently listening to a mega-draft podcast of the films, here are my Top Ten Walt Disney Animation Studios films (not my list of personal favorites, the top ten films I would say are the top ten best of the canon):

Beauty and the Beast (1991) - an assuredly told version of the story, an outstanding score, stellar cast and voice work paired with great animation, a highlight of the medium of animation

Pinocchio (1940) - this was their second one out of the gate! i mean there's so much to admire: the shot of jiminy's perspective as he hops to geppetto's shop, the overhead shot of the town, the horror of lampwick turning into a donkey, the monstro chase, everything with figaro and cleo!!!

Sleeping Beauty (1959) - they set out to create a literal moving work of art and they did it. the tchaikovsky score and gorgeous painted backgrounds, PLUS you got The Golden Girls raising a child in the woods, "And now you shall deal with me O Prince, and all the powers of Hell!" FUCK.

101 Dalmatians (1961) - I watched this in its entirety for the first time as an adult after previously only seeing part of it once or twice and I never knew how fucking tight of a film this is. So tightly told. And it looks exciting and charming. A real gem from the studio.

Cinderella (1950) - the part when the grand duke is talking to the king about how the prince would react if the girl of his dreams showed up to the ball and they show the prince reacting to cindy walking into the ballroom, good shit. the message of "a dream is a wish your heart makes" gets a bad rap, but it's a pretty song and sentiment. also this movie has one of my favorite animated scenes where lady tremaine wakes up the stepsisters to tell them about the slipper and cinderella slowly realizes she danced with the prince the night before and she has this dreamy look on her face and then lady tremaine figures what's up and they pull in on her glowing green eyes and it's over for her. also I think this is one of the most gorgeous and elegant animated films. cinderelly, cinderelly!

The Little Mermaid (1989) - this probably wouldn't be on my list a few years ago, but with the live action adaptation this year and its entry into the National Film Registry, I've been reconsidering this movie and it's such a joyous and ✨ magical ✨ animated work with an emotional center that connects with so many who watch it. the YEARNING. ashman understood it. also, glen keane's (i believe he animated this part?) animation on the part of your world reprise is glorious with that fucking hair, pat carroll and the design of ursula, a heavenly match. and menken's delightful score. it's so good.

Aladdin (1992) - this is actually my number one personal fave, it's the VHS tape I watched the most growing up, but I think this is a good placement for it. It's beautiful to look at, it's a full-fledged animated comedy, it's the last of howard ashman's contributions, "friend like me" is one of the best animated sequences ever, aladdin was my first animated crush, i still stan jasmine, it spawned a pretty terrific spinoff series, jonathan freeman's cackle is the best villain cackle, and of course, robin. also, ron clements and john musker are kings.

Lilo & Stitch (2002) - the more time passes, the more I think this film proves itself to be a grand achievement in the canon. the amount of sentiment is just right, stitch is an entertaining creation and his connection with lilo is relatable, i mean the ending scene always gets me with the "it's broken but still good", also the fact that not another film in the canon looks like this one makes it stand out. and the ending shot of stitch's picture attached to the weathered family photo, ugh. it's also a love letter to "weird little kids". i love it.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) - i mean, yeah. it's scary, it's silly, the queen's transformation into the hag still rules. "one song" is an underrated song.

The Emperor’s New Groove (2000) - this movie is legendary. the story of how it came to be is insane. i read that there is actually no completed screenplay of the movie??? that's how much they had to scramble to put this together? i would also put this on a list of great comedy films. eartha kitt, eartha kitt. i don't know what things would look like if we actually got kingdom of the sun, but we are so lucky to have this hilarious movie.

[marciabrady]

So I read your thoughts on TLM II and I was just wondering if there was a princess or couple you’d like to see have a child/children - maybe not for a full feature length film but for maybe a 10 - 20 minute short film.

I’m very wishy-washy when it comes to children. Sometimes I love it when media gives a fictional couple I like children but sometimes it puts me off. Sometimes I’m split in the middle.

For example, I love the idea of Simba being a dad in TLK II and I really liked his character and how the movie showed how the PTSD from the childhood trauma Scar inflicted on him still affects him even though he appears to be this strong and powerful king and how even as an adult he still looks up to his dad. Unfortunately, whilst Kiara isn’t a bad character, I hated all of the next generation stuff. Like you said for TLK 2, it’s obvious that the sequel is much more cartoony and targeted for like seven and under compared to the wider demographic that the original film has. I can watch Lion King today and still love and enjoy every second. The same can’t be said for the sequel. Like how you came for Ariel and got too much Melody, I came to a movie called SIMBA’S pride and felt like he had to give up the spotlight to his daughter (and yes his personality was also reduced to ‘protect my daughter’).

This is an interesting question! I know they wanted to bring back the nine old men at one point in the late 90s and have them animate the princesses (up until Jasmine iirc) with children! I love the idea, but purely because I would've wanted to see Marc Davis return to Cinderella and Aurora, Glen Keane to Ariel, etc, but I don't really love the premise of any of them having children. Like I mentioned, I don't love having to divide the time we spend with a character with an OC. Most media doesn't do a good job of keeping the character intact after having a child either, it literally just becomes all about the kid and keeping the kid safe and who the original character was kind of gets lost and eroded in that entire thing, too. I also hate aged down content and "next generation" throughlines.

Out of the princesses I care about, I think Cinderella would be the most fitting to have children? Again, this is supposing the original creative team was involved (which is impossible since they've all passed on). But we've seen hints of what Cinderella would be like as a mother, through her relationship to the mice and I think she'd probably struggle with infertility due to how mistreated she was and neglected growing up, as well as the extreme manual labor she was forced to enact and how much of a toll that took on her body. Just like the dress enacted a plot device for Cinderella to connect with her mother, thinking of the type of parent she'd be during a pregnancy would probably recall so much of her own parents to her. It would also remind her of what not to do and of so many scars that her stepfamily inflicted. All of the things she had to repress to continue living with those monsters would then be brought back up to the surface. I think it'd also create engaging conversation with how the Prince was brought up and his own past and see where they agree and where they might conflict in ideologies pertaining to rearing a child. I don't think Aurora would have a child, since she's so defined by being a daughter to her parents and the three fairies. I don't know about Snow White- I'm sure she'd want them, but she's a perpetual girl in the best way possible to me. And, honestly, I think Ariel needs more time to discover who she is now that she isn't under Triton's repressive grasp so her having a kid would not be good lol of the princesses I don't care about as much, I don't know who I'd want to have a kid because a lot of the later Disney couples feel more like brother/sister to me than romantic (like Aladdin and Jasmine, for instance). I don't like Naveen, but I think Tiana having children would be really cute and would soften her up because the writers made her so career oriented in the film. I would love to see Mulan as a single mother teach her child the values of respecting your elders while also staying true to yourself and her validating her kid would be so cute. I don't trust literally any of the other later princesses to be moms though lol

[moe-mux-hagi]

DASEE WID IZAW WAYZ GREE NAH

Here's an exercice in artstyle replication (and accidental #mermay entry) ! Truth be told, me mum wanted me to have "more upbeat and colourful drawings in [my] otherwise incredibly macabre protfolio", so I figured... why not the Little Mermaid herself ? I mean she's jolly, colourful, and with the movie coming out soon, she's becoming trendy again.

You gotta... ride the wave, y'know ?

...I'll sea meself out.

Also, as a recently-licensed animator, I would be remissed for not shouting out the unsung heroes of the movie industry ! A big thanks to Mark Henn, James Baxter, Tom Sito, Nik Ranieri, and Philo Barnhart for animating this wonderful sea bass lass, and to Glen Keane for designing her and being lead animator for her character ! These guys are the guys :)

Oh. And don't even think I care about that remake. It looks faker and more computer-generated than the actual made up ocean from that one movie you may have heard of, Avatar : the Way of Water, but with hilariously bad costumes and character designs, laughably uncharismatic actors and the dreaded return of Lin Manuel Miranda which has plagued the movie industry thanks to his frankly unnecessary participation to every movie in recent history, just the same issue Taika Waititi is accountable for.

I am not wasting my money nor time on such nonsensical, worthless junk.

[heybaetae]

im so bad at coming up with creative questions lol but if you had to pick a song for each member to cover, which songs would you pick?

gosh that’s so hard 😭 i think it’d be easier for me to just answer for the vocal line here so..off the top of my head and going with my gut i think i’d love to hear jungkook sing rear view by zayn. somewhere only we know by keane for jimin. gravity by sarah barielles OR home by michael buble for taehyung. and maybe….falling slowly by glen hansard and marketa inglova for jin (i know it’s meant to be a duo but he could sing it alone or even with jimin too 👀)

[monstroso]

ARTIST ASK GAME!!!

5. how would you describe your art style?

( @juniebugsss )

on a good day? Maybe like, "2010s Post-Anime Webcomic-Core".

The "post-anime" bit comes from the choice we all must make when you're the type of kid who starts drawing because of anime. Specifically, do you continue down that path or do you choose to diverse. I (and many of my favorite internet artists) chose the latter.

The Webcomic-core bit? Well...

(In order, art from: The Less Than Epic Adventures of TJ and Amal, String Theory, Gunnerkrigg Court, Hanna is Not a Boy's Name. Most of these link to their current latest page, so beware of spoilers!)

This was my art diet from the ages of like 11 to 16, it was all I looked at and thought about and tried to emulate in my own work. I think the influence is pretty obvious.

I get told a lot that my linework and poses are strong, and I suspect I inherited a love for those things from String Theory and HiNaBN, respectively.

And to be clear, I'm not anywhere on the level of any of these people even now, lol. My coloring and environment work leave a lot to be desired. I'm working on it though!

...

On a bad day? Disney Aspirant and Glen Keane apologist.

Look, I'm an animator at heart. I just want things to be consistent!

(Questions here.)

[panbelle]

How old are the disney princesses really?

We've all seen this image floating around the internet for many years:

But where are they getting these ages from? And is there any truth to them? Well, I did the research for you and, surprise, plenty of these are wrong or not supported. Here are some of the official and unknown ages of our favorite heroines (including those not pictured)

Snow White: 14 - Yep, this one's actually right, but only barely. It's reported that at the time of the release of the movie her age was released to The Press, but it's just as likely this is an urban legend.

And before you say it, no Prince Florian was not 31. As stated and confirmed by the book The Art of Walt Disney, he is depicted as 18.

Edit: I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING. I guess I didn't realize when writing that Snow White's age is "confirmed" by The Art of Walt Disney Book as well! My bad. On page 125 of the book, it states "Another outline, this one dated October 22, 1934, includes a complete breakdown of the cast of characters." It goes on to state Snow as 14, The Prince as 18, and the Huntsman as 40!

Cinderella: Unknown - 19 is the age given by many, but I couldn't find where it is "explicitly stated" as many of these sources claim. Edit: Cinderella is stated to be 19 in this video from the Disney Princess YouTube channel! Thank you to the folks in the notes for bringing to my attention!

Aurora: 16 - if you've watched the movie, you should know this is correct as we are told that Maleficent’s curse will come to pass on her 16th birthday.

Ariel: 16 - This one is stated by the character herself!

Belle: mid-20s - that's right, Belle is not stated as 17 by any official source. Both her animator Mark Henn and her voice actor Paige O'Hara are sourced as saying she is estimated to be in her mid-20s. Edit: It appears that 17 comes from one of the early drafts of the film where Belle celebrates her 17th birthday (you can find the scene and others here), but the story and character designs are much different than the final product! Another early draft from 1990 states her as 18 (can be found here), but it is not the final draft. Thank you to @riddlerosehearts for letting me in on this info!

Jasmine: Unknown - Jasmine's age has never been confirmed or even referenced in any of the Aladdin movies, television series, or other spinoff projects. In the original film, the Sultan declares that Jasmine must be married "by her next birthday", but never specifies how old she will become on said birthday. 15 comes from an early concept where the Sultan says "By your sixteenth birthday." According to "Disney's Aladdin: the making of the animated film" (on page 41), this concept was scrapped when Jeffrey Katzenberg became worried about sending the wrong message regarding the idea that fifteen-year-old girls should get married. So Jasmine is actually explicitly not 15.

Pocahontas: 18-19 - Yeah, this one's correct, according to her supervising animator, Glen Keane, in an interview with the Orlando Sentenial from June 23, 1995 (Sorry it's behind a paywall, but I promise the info it there 😔).

Mulan: Unknown - I was surprised at this one, but I couldn't find an official reference to Mulan being 16 anywhere. I suspect it probably came from a press release somewhere. In the Qing dynasty novel "Fierce and Filial", she left home to battle in the Wei army at the age of seventeen, and returned home twelve years later at the age of twenty-nine. So I'd lean 17 for a "canon" age.

Tiana: Unknown - Just like Mulan, I couldn't find a source for Tiana being 19, but I suspect a lost press release somewhere includes it in the description of the character because many news articles around the time of the movie's release include the age.

Rapunzel: 18 - seems like the princesses' ages range from 'who knows?' to 'we explicitly tell you in the movie.' And Rapunzel is no exception to the rule, outright stating that she's turning 18 in the film.

Also, she turns the ages 19, 20, and 21 over the course of her series.

Elena: 16-20 over the course of her series.

Merida: 16 - This is stated in the junior novelization of the film, which is generally accepted as canon to the film itself.

Anna and Elsa: 18 and 21, respectively (Frozen 1) - Both of these were confirmed by Jennifer Lee, one of the main filmmakers on the project. They are 21 and 24 in the sequel.

Moana: 16 - Her voice actor, Auli'i Cravalho, said in an interview with ABC that Moana is 16 years old.

Raya: 18 - This one is iffy because I can't find an exact source but the film came out recently enough that I believe it was stated somewhere official, whether that was a press release or statement from a person involved with the project, I don't know.

And for funsies, Mirabel, Luisa, Isabela, and Dolores: 15, 19, 21, and 21 respectively. This stuff has been confirmed multiple times by many sources so I won't argue.

[wuekka]

I HAD TO WATCH PART OF RANDOM NETFLIX MOVIE ESSAY SHOW, WHICH I WATCH BECAUSE IT HAS EPISODE ABOUT ANIMATION WITH GLEN KEANE TO LEARN THAT BRAVE AND PRINCE OF EGYPT WERE DIRECTED BY THE SAME WOMAN!

...she's also story supervisor (can someone tell what that means) on the lion king and a storyboarder in A LOT of my childhood.

I feel a little bad because I thought Brave was hyped as "female directors first big movie :)" :/

[otnesse]

That's also a complaint I have with Belle currently as well. However, I have slightly differing reasons for why I have my complaints about Belle merely being a bookworm than what was offered in there. Her literacy I'm actually downright terrified of especially knowing the setting of the film (Glen Keane indicated that the film was set during the events leading up to the French Revolution). That complaint you mentioned about how women wouldn't be able to tell fact from fiction regarding them reading novels. That unfortunately ended up being proven true with the French Revolution and the motives of the revolutionaries (only it wasn't JUST novels, it was treatises by the likes of Voltaire and Diderot, also Rousseau and even the Marquis de Sade). It also didn't help that evidence existed that Voltaire and his ilk DELIBERATELY mixed up fact with fiction specifically with the intent of destroying people's faith in God due to spite against the latter, pushed propaganda in other words. Oh, and it wasn't just WOMEN who weren't able to tell the two apart, not even the MEN could tell it apart, sought to recreate society to match up with Voltaire and Rousseau's puerile writings. Just ask Louis Saint-Just, Maximilien de Robespierre, and the like. And given we don't have ANY indication that Belle is even capable of discerning good literature from bad literature (which her original counterpart was at least somewhat capable of doing), I can't help but get the feeling that once she reads Voltaire, she'll end up blindly agreeing to his statements and become a mass murderer. You know, sort of like Sephiroth after he read those science journals at Nibelheim before promptly "going to town" on that location after coming to the conclusion that the Ancient Cetra were backstabbed by humanity and that his mom was a Cetra (when in reality it was a LOT more complicated: Namely, his mom, at least her cells used to create him, WAS the reason why the Cetra were nearly driven to extinction). At best, she might act like Cecile Cosima Caminades and to a lesser extent Big Boss in this video here (and she was even WORSE in the Japanese version where she actually gave a fangirl squeal to Snake even mentioning Sartre's reference to Che Guevara's status as the most complete human being of the century. The English version toned down her reaction to the extent that while she did agree with Sartre's philosophy, it's left ambiguous as to whether or not she actually agreed with him on Che, unlike the Japanese version where her squeal indicated she fully embraced that as well. And bear in mind Kojima specifically intended for Che being treated as a guy who walked on water to be taken as fact as can be seen with various tweets by his secretary, and he clearly intended for Cecile to be in the right due to Snake agreeing with Sartre's views when she explained them to him despite portraying her otherwise as a blatant airhead). Seriously, if THIS is what getting ideas and thinking entails, I'd rather NO ONE, man or woman, have those at all, especially if it means blindly lapping up everything like a trained seal just because a professor or philosopher said it (I'd even rather I NOT have that if that's what it entails, that's how far I'd go regarding not wanting it in any capacity).

It also doesn't help that I had a genuinely terrible experience in college, particularly with the literature departments where all the literature professors I had since 2011 at least tended to really push leftist views in lieu of, heck, even WHILE teaching literature, didn't matter if it was American Literature, American Poetry, or even Chaucer. Expect them to basically flaunt their leftist leanings, including implying they'd rather participate in OWS over proctoring midterms, or how apparently Christianity "invented" misogyny (despite it predating Christianity by a good while, actually existing as far back as Hellenistic Greece), heck, even occasional comment indicating Jane Eyre was a lesbian or referring to ourselves prejoratively as the American Empire. Also claiming Gregory Mendel claimed that nature "was a whore which must be raped." Yeah, let's just say I had ROTTEN luck with literature professors, which unfortunately killed any chance at regaining some love for reading after it was damaged by being forced to do book reports since Elementary school to "prove" I've read the material despite having disgraphia at the time (leaving it painful to write). So I have reasons to worry that Belle will end up having her bibliophilia buying wholesale Voltaire's forgeries against Christianity without a second thought, much like my literature professors did (and they HAD to be literate just to teach literature courses).

In fact, forget the French Revolution, we even have a case of this with Jean-Paul Sartre, especially when he's a huge bookworm (a philosophical giant in France as well, even being called the Absolute Intellectual), yet constantly sang praises to tyrants such as Stalin, Mao Zedong and Che Guevara, not to mention pushed a truly nihilistic view of society that's basically an extreme version of a dog-eat-dog world. Thanks to people like him, I literally have no confidence in Belle being any different (heck, if anything, it's precisely BECAUSE of her intellect and literacy that I fear she'll turn out like those guys [and I would have felt the same way if she had been a guy and literate/intelligent]. After all, they're intelligent, yet they ended up going mad and either slaughtering people themselves, or otherwise condoning or heck, even mentoring others to massacre people in the most sickening ways).

A definite way to improve upon Belle if you ask me is to make SURE to address that bit and make sure she is indeed capable of DISCERNING literature as being good or bad, not simply blindly reading whatever she finds and agreeing with it just because it's in a book or written by an author who has a reputation for being intelligent. Maybe include a scene where she reads Candide and realizes what he's doing is stirring crap and that his writings would spell doom in the future. That's definitely something that even the remake failed to actually address. We fortunately got some hints at her maybe not being supportive of it in later entries (namely Rebel Rose where, while somewhat sympathetic to the Revolutionaries, ultimately decided they weren't good, and also Belle's Discovery which implied that the French Revolution was occurring during her childhood yet Belle herself had no real interest in contrast to her peers), but unfortunately that's not necessarily canon to the original film (even less so when Linda Woolverton implied she held solidarity to Communist views in her Maleficent movie and made a direct tie between that film and her work on Beauty and the Beast in overall themes). I mean, even Ariel showed more signs of critical thinking than Belle did in her scene with Ursula (at least Ariel ATTEMPTED to question Ursula's logic of using her voice as payment for legs due to the bit about how she can't really hope to communicate with Eric, much less win him over without her voice, while Belle we never get that sense at all despite the narrative).

I'd suggest expanding upon that bit to also address the French Revolution bit. You have to admit, that IS a genuine reason to be concerned with Belle at the very least (especially if she buys into Rousseau's "Noble Savage" and "General Will". At least Prince Adam we can safely assume would disagree with that notion due to personal experience regarding how those views simply do not work thanks to that curse and his behavior that led up to it), especially considering actual real life examples of intellectuals of Belle's caliber blindly following and promoting huge tyrants up to and even including mass murder for their viewpoints, if not actually putting it into practice.

On a side note, I REALLY wish Linda Woolverton didn't make the whole female literacy thing a conflict in the film (especially when that if anything was downright disrespectful of the original authors of Beauty and the Beast Villeneuve and Beaumont. Funny how no one complained about THAT bit, yet gave Disney grief over a mere changed ending to The Little Mermaid by comparison [and all that DESPITE otherwise keeping quite a few stuff from the original tale and even expanding on those stuff anyways].).

Why Some People Don't Like Belle, #8

"She’s framed as unique and special, but she’s just a generic bookworm."

The film’s opening musical number consists of Belle’s neighbors all singing about how “funny,” “peculiar,” “odd,” “different,” and “strange but special” she is. But by realistic standards (some argue), there’s nothing unique about her. She’s a bit of an introvert, she dreams of adventure, she loves books, and she dislikes Gaston: that’s all. Are we really supposed to believe that no one else in town would share Belle’s dreams of a more exciting life? Or that no other villager would be turned off by Gaston’s arrogance and boorishness, despite his good looks and popularity? Or that in a town with a bookshop, no one else would share Belle’s passion for reading? And don’t offer the silly old argument of “Women didn’t read in those days; they were expected just to be housewives and mothers.” That assumption erases the thriving culture of intellectual women in 18th century France: the very culture that produced the original tale of Beauty and the Beast, which was written by a woman in 1740. Realistically (some critics argue), Belle would have been respected for her reading and intellect, not a misfit! Especially because otherwise, she’s an ideal young woman of tradition: graceful, feminine, polite, personable, and beautiful. At least the 2017 remake tries to portray her as more truly “different” by making her slightly more tomboyish and eccentric, and by having her be the inventor instead of Maurice. But even that version uses the cliché of “girls weren’t educated” and shows the villagers bullying Belle for teaching a little girl to read, as if 18th century France weren’t filled with well-respected literary women!

My view: I’m slightly tempted to agree with this complaint. Unless most of the townspeople are illiterate (and given that the village has its own bookshop, I doubt they are illiterate), would Belle realistically be the town’s only bookworm? Or for that matter, wouldn’t a realistic town include at least one or two other sensitive, adventurous-hearted dreamers, or just a few other people annoyed by Gaston? I accept the conceits that Belle is the only one because the story is a fairy tale, but maybe she is portrayed as more of a misfit than she really would have been. Still, I disagree with the argument that she wouldn’t really be a misfit at all. There’s a duality in how book lovers are viewed. On the one hand, intellectuals and well-read people are respected, but on the other hand, “get your head out of those books and pay attention to more important things” is a common sentiment, and that was just as true in 18th and 19th century France as it is today. Many people in that era condemned novels as a frivolous waste of time, and they were often considered especially bad for women, because they supposedly enflamed unseemly “passions” and made women unable to tell fact from fiction. Belle’s special fondness for fairy tales and love stories, rather than more “sophisticated” subjects, only reinforces why her neighbors view her as too dreamy and too “dazed and distracted.” As for the 18th century French salon culture of intellectual women… I understand feeling annoyed that the movie ignores it, especially since it produced the original tale. But unless I’m mistaken, that culture was chiefly an upper-class phenomenon, not working class. Isn’t it only natural that in a poor peasant village, women and men alike should care more about “practical,” everyday work than about reading fiction, even if they’re not illiterate? Belle might not be a fully “radical” woman, but she truly is out of place in the village.

Solution in future retellings: If you want to portray Beauty as different from the people around her, then make her truly unique. Give her unusual interests and talents that aren’t shared by thousands of others. Follow the 2017 film’s example and make her more eccentric, or gender non-conforming, or socially awkward – not just slightly introverted yet ladylike and charming. Or if you want her to be a simple bookworm and dreamer, then don’t frame her as unique for that reason. The plot doesn’t require Beauty to be “strange,” after all.

[impulsea]

#feel free to let me know who you'd like ariel to be with! Well, this is mostly a friendship than a ship, but I always liked the idea of Ariel and Quasimodo being friends. I know Quasi is innocent and hasn't seen much about the world, but unlike Rapunzel or Anna he clearly has seen how people live and interact from his bell tower and wants to be part of it, and he also acts more like a sheltered young adult instead of being overly adorkable and childish. I like the idea of them bonding over their shared longing to discover the world and be part of it as well by their shared outcast status in their respective societies. Besides, they do share some parallels in their stories, like Quasi's wooden dolls and replica of Paris being similar to Ariel's grotto in that it represented his longing to join the world below his sanctuary (and similarly, Frollo also destroyed it. Not saying that Triton is like Frollo, but well, similar moments), and Quasi's own struggle to break free of Frollo's psychological abuse and live his own life. Sure, Quasi got his taste of the bad side of the world when he was humilliated at the Festival, but he never got to the point of becoming world-weary, and I think he would find in Ariel another supportive friend after Esme and Phoebus who accepts him as he is, since Ariel tends to gravitate towards those who are othered and rejected by society. On the other hand, I also think Ariel would feel relaxed with Quasi's gentle presence, and even watch with wonder when he takes her to the bell tower to watch the city like he did with Esmeralda. I even have this cute HC of Quasi and Ariel exploring the city together and Quasi carving a wooden figurine of Ariel for her, while Ariel would tell Quasi stories about the sea.

(Plus, I always have thought that "Out There" is the only Disney song that has come close to be a second "Part of Your World").

Again, I like them as friends, not much as a romantic ship. But those are my thoughts.

I love that headcanon and how thoughtful this response is! I could definitely see Ariel and Quasimodo being fast friends. Ariel would honestly view him as beautiful, since she hasn't been socialized by human norms and she just thinks he's a uniquely fascinating person that is outside the mold of what she generally has seen. His collection of miniatures would be fascinating to her (it would remind her of the couple dancing on her music box in the Grotto), and she'd spend endless hours asking him about the stories that each figurine was based off of. Like, was this woman in the purple dress based on a baker or a painter? She'd also adore seeing all the citizens moving about from Quasimodo's view high up in the tower. I also think Ariel believes in doing, not observing, so she'd try to get Quasimodo out of his shell and just enjoy life instead of being too analytical or fearful of the perception of others.

Two of Ariel's most important creators, Glen Keane and Jodi Benson, are also intensely religious, and with the LGBTQIA+ subtext I previously mentioned, as well as how mermaids/sirens are negatively viewed in traditional religion, it would be fascinating to bring that component, too, to the story. I think Ariel always advocates for the underdog, and the quote about not understanding how someone who makes such wonderful things could be bad would definitely be applicable to those who try to badmouth Quasimodo behind his back to her. I also think that Quasimodo is generally more...reserved and subservient to Frollo (which makes sense, given how he was raised), and while Ariel would definitely relate to him and tell him of Triton, I also think Ariel's a wild card who sometimes is incapable of holding back her temper or reactions until she's had time to think it over. So I definitely think she would defend Quasimodo and be more aggressive toward Frollo in her attempts to do so. It would be a very fascinating dynamic! And, of course, they're both redheads <3

[nellynee]

The makings of greatness, or why, as a ride or die Treasure Planet stan, I’m glad there’s no Treasure Plant 2

You ever see somethings that makes you unreasonably angry? Yes I understand exactly what I’m saying, and how that indicates that my emotions and opinions on this are exactly that. Opinions. There’s a good chance I have some objective truths mixed in, but that does not make my opinions based on those truths truth. If you disagree or have different tastes or opinions or interpretations, cool, let me know! maybe you’ll change my mind. That being said.

The plot synopsis for the Treasure Planet sequel makes me angry. Not like, actively so, just annoyed enough to be in a bad mood. And now you guys all have to be in one as well. Why?

Reason 1, and probably least important: Disney sequel syndrome.

Ok so Disney sequels aren’t inherently bad. I’ll stan the Aladdin sequels to my grave, who knew Cinderella could world build, obligatory Rescuers Down Under (the first one was better) blah blah blah.

But there is an inherit problem with sequels in general, and that usually has to do with cast and crew. An original piece of fiction has to grab the audience yes, but there’s also freedom in that. Media touches people in different way. The worldbuilding can mean more to some than others. Some are in it for the animation, or the character developments, or relationships. What connects with one person won’t connect with another. The problem with sequels is that different people who worked out the original material might and usually do not work on the new. And those new people are already working on that new material with their own personal lenses and experiences and interpretations coloring the old. The reason sequels (and remakes, and big budget presentations of other materials like books into movies) tend to bomb hard is because you are essentially being forced to accept someone’s fanfiction into the canon material. Usually, there’s a pretty strong correlation between more successful franchises/extension material, works staying true to the core material, original crew working on the material, and the enjoyment of the audience.

And sources say very few of the original crew remained. Some yes, but mostly voice cast. Even worse, TP2 was a DisneyToon production, not even a mainline feature. Now I’m not saying the new people weren’t talented, or passionate about the project, or were lacking in experience. It doesn’t really matter if any of those things are true or not. It’s the warping of their personal lenses I don’t trust. Fanfic I can disregard, meta I can disregard. This would have been canon.

And reading the Artbook makes is abundantly clear that the parts that touched me personally would have been missing. The very core of Treasure Planet for me was the relationship between Jim and Silver (and their exquisite animation budget). However you choose to interpret that relationship, you can not deny that Treasure Planet is a powerfully emotionally romantic movie. It’s quiet moments and emotional resonance shaped my views of intimacy with a sharp and fine touch. Silver and Jim’s bond is as undeniable and powerful as it is compelling and awe inspiring to witness unfold.

And a lot of that is owed not only to  the voice acting of Joseph Gorden-Levitt (Jim) and Brian Murray (Silver), But to animators Glen Keane and John Ripa, who were the head animators of Silver and Jim respectively. Not only did Gorden-Levitt and Brian Murray deliver stunning performances, but made sure to work together and jointly play off each other in ways most voice actors don’t have the opportunity to do. And the Masters Keane and Ripa took an already stellar and carefully crafted vocal rapport and took it one step further. I highly recommend the Artbook as a good read, both Keane and Ripa talk about the journey of discovering who Jim and Silver were with delight, acting out entire scenes together using their own body language to build the characters together, using the same animation reals to animate, tag teaming in and out of the program rather than do it separately, becoming so attuned with their characters attitudes and mannerisms that you can tell they poured entire pieces of themselves into Jim and Silver.

I’m not saying the Sequel would have been inherently bad because it’s a sequel, or because a new crew worked on it, but I am saying I wouldn’t trust it with a ten foot pole.

Reason 2: Thanks I hate it (I’m saying it’s inherently bad because the plot is bad and I hate it)

I’m sorry for the length, but for you to really understand just how bad this is, I actually have to pick through every single line and tell you why it fails critically at some junctures and where it would be so simple to fix. For those of you who were unaware that there was a sequel in the works at some point, I’m pulling these quotes pretty much wholesale from the AnimateVeiws article Buried Treasure: The ill-fated voyage to Treasure Planet 2, specifically the interview with Jun Falkenstein who was set to direct the now canceled sequel. Spoiler warning, I guess?

So, from the begining

“The sequel was to pick up where the first film left off, with Jim Hawkins going to the Royal Interstellar Academy. At the Academy, he is a hotshot “natural,” but he doesn’t follow the rules very well.” - Strong start but then dropped the finish. I think the interstellar academy would be a very compelling starting point. I see no fault in it at least, it’s a good opportunity to world build. Clemence and Musket like to make a point that Jim was crafted to connect with the emotionally wounded and distant youth in a age of divorce, so showing what happens when that youth hikes up their britches and gets to work can extend on that theme aaaaaaand you dropped it. Dropped that strong start. Yes, Jim was more than a bit of a bite back rebel in the film, but that was a reactionary response to the bad place he started in. Jim was abandoned, and tied his self worth into that abandonment. His kickback against society was a reaction stemming from an inability to see his personal worth and any sort of future he could craft from it. He outgrew this, his very character development was about this in the film. His character arc was about realizing his inherent worth, embracing a sense of confidence and learning what he could do. Even disregarding that, bonus material outside of the film shows that Jim has a very strong sense of respect for Captain Amelia, her military career, and the hard work she put into it, and he’s there on her recommendation. Why would he act out in this? He is a natural yes, but the film shows he’s incredibly sharp and intelligent, if unlearned, and more than ready to learn given opportunity.

“Hence, he gets off to a shaky start – especially with his classmate Kate, who is very smart and has a type A personality. Kate’s father is Admiral Blake, the Commander of the Navy. Jim and Kate vie for top of the class but have very different skills.” - So building off this to fix the problem before. I guess the dynamic they are going for is something like “the kind of a jerk hotshit hotshot who’s got it all figured out and the straight laced rule fallowing stick in the ass rival”? I’m not apposed to to a rivalry, but lets tweak this, given how “hot shot natural jerk” isn’t really where Jim settles at the end of the film. Jim is a natural talent, who excels under tutelage, but more importantly, he has practical experience. While the time period spent on the RLS Legacy is not defined, they do sail to a deep and unexplored part of the galaxy, probably well outside of regular settlements, so no small distance, though Jim is young enough that a very long period of time would be noted in physical growth. Given comparisons to classic nautical sailing of the source time, months, perhaps up to a year? That’s a long time to spend, learning the rough and tumble basics, tying knots, experiencing food and water rations, extreme temperatures, playing with the rigging and mechanical aspects of the boat. Jim knows what it’s like to actually sail. Meanwhile, this is the Royal Academy, who probably takes in upper class second born children and pumps out military accolades for well learned mathematicians and strategists. Jim doesn’t fit in because he can visualize, he can think outside of the box, he can weld a damn engine to a hunk of shrapnel and ignite it freefalling against a metal hellscape and outrace a boat in a high adrenaline situation. He adapts where the other’s frantically look through their notes for the answer. Worse yet, he’s poor and not classically educated. Make it a class issue. In this aspect I do like Kate. Being the Daughter of the Commander of the Navy, she probably has a very technical and far more expansive understanding of navel ships, particularly the running of them. In this way Jim and Kate are perfect foils. Jim representing the poor, instinctually and practically knowledgeable crew, and Kate the upper-class, technically knowledgeable command, a dichotomy representing the haves and have nots in their skills, experiences, an class.

I don’t want to post a picture and break the post, but I do love Kate’s design. I do recommend looking up the article and checking it out. that being said, being a feline species, they messed up not spelling it Cate.

“Captain Amelia is dean of the Academy, which has a brand-new vessel: the Centurion.” - I… why, why is Amelia the dean? Additional material shows that Amelia broke ties with the military because she didn’t like their rule stickling ways and red tape. Why would she want a red tape position? She helped with a war and then bailed first opportunity to become a freelance captain so she could fallow her own rules. Even if you don’t know any of that additional material, you do know that she is a freelance captain. Why is she dean? what happened to the old one? Are they dead? Did DisneyToon kill them? Did Disneytoon kill the old dean?

“Designed by Doctor Doppler, the Centurion is the fastest ship in the galaxy.” - HE’S NOT THAT KIND OF DOCTOR!

“B.E.N. is its pilot”. - NO

In all seriousness all three of those statements show a serious problem, in that none of those characters are in fact those things. Amelia I’ve already explained. But Doppler was a debatably youngish bachelor with too much money who was fascinated by astronomy specifically and who suffered from ennui. And BEN was a navigational unit, so maybe it makes sense for him to be a pilot, but why is a robot who was functioning under a galaxy feared pirate for who knows how long given any kind of agency over a brand new incredibly important ship? These decisions were probably made to incorporate as much of the old cast as possible, to not exclude fan faves. But any decision that makes BEN a prominent part of the plot and thus gets more screen time is a BAD one.

“The pirate Ironbeard desires to commandeer the Centurion. This ruthless villain is relatively all iron – almost nothing of whom he originally was, inside and out, is left.” - On the one hand, I have a weird feeling that this would somehow violate the 30-70 rule. Buuuuut on the other hand, the Artbook does describe the decision making process of what and how was mechanical on Silver (my favorite tidbit was the wheel on his head representing his constant thinking and assessing) and states that that they in a way represent the pieces of humanity he gave up looking for Flint’s Trove. Extending that to a pirate who has given up everything could be a powerful thematic tool if used right (or intentionally)

“He leads a group of pirates to hijack the Centurion while Jim and Kate are aboard.” - ok, yeah, I’ll buy that. If they are butting heads constantly, I could see them sneaking off to the new piece of hardware to one up each other on who knows their stuff, or maybe bond over wanting to learn about the said new tech and being frustrated with restrictions.

“The Navy can’t catch the Centurion, due to the vessel’s speed and armor.”- sure

“Jim and Kate escape the Centurion. Jim decides he needs a pirate to help catch pirates. They find his old buddy Long John Silver in the Lagoon Nebula, where he is running a smuggling ring. “ - So what Jim just goes “I know just the pirate to help us” and then finds him? That journey of itself deserves it’s own movie, anything less is a disappointment. Alternative. Jim and Kate escape onto a particularly lawless planet. Jim has some tricks to keep them safe and fed, maybe he even excels in ways he’s been straight up stop gapped at the academy. Maybe his knowhow is appreciated by others who society also rejects. But Kate is a frustrating fish out of water, getting offended and worked up over things that are big deals to an average citizen but not criminals and pirates. But such reactions are putting them in danger and she needs to get perspective fast. It’s plausible maybe that Silver tracks them down through interesting rumors, but more than that, let it be fate. Neither having any idea the other is there till the second they see each other. Bonus points if Jim and Kate get in a bind and Silver is the leader of the harassers. Better yet lets add some thematic mirroring not only to the scene where Silver saved Jim from Scroop, but directly contrast it to the scene where Silver doubled back and down against the notion of caring for Jim when called out before the mutiny. *kisses finger* Touching and hilarious.

“ Silver agrees to help when he hears about the Centurion. “ -  Silver agrees to help when he hears about the Centurion without Jim even having to ask. Storywise, lets make some kind of deal over how Jim, an upstanding enrollee of the academy, apparently is chummy with a pirate. Tension doesn’t just have to be external, and Kate is the daughter of the Commander of the Army. Maybe she’s recognized and this gets them in trouble. Maybe Kate has issues with her identity outside of her father’s career and need to learn a lesson about being outside of a rigid social structure?

“Jim and Kate receive a tracking signal from B.E.N. – who is currently hostage aboard the Centurion – and follow via Silver’s creaky vessel. They discover the Centurion docked near the Botany Bay Prison Asteroid. “ - While being the fastest ship yet is a good excuse for wanting it to get stolen, my suspension of disbelief breaks a little at any ship, let alone a creaky little pirate vessel, catching up to the fastest ship yet, or the tracking signal being the only way to track it to a guarded prison. Seeing as how I’ve written BEN out of this scenario lets fix it. After the events of the movie, the Royal Military swoops in after to confiscate the debris of Treasure Planet. For those in the know, canon lore states that the Planet was a giant computer, and it and the map were the byproducts of an ancient and advanced civilization. Studying the debris led to the Centurion, notable not for it’s speed, but for it’s stealth. It can cloak itself. Which is why no-one can find it. Meanwhile Silver lets it slip that he snagged the map from it’s pedestal as they escaped the planet as a souvenir. (handwave why the portal was still open with a “the whole thing was exploding, the computer froze). The map is able to track the remnants of said planet, aka the Centurion, meaning Silver has the only means of tracking the cloaked ship

“Ironbeard is using the Centurion to disable Botany Bay’s security systems. Jim, Kate and Silver sneak aboard the Centurion, where Silver reveals to Jim that he wants to take the Centurion for himself. He asks Jim to join him.“ YES. YES YES YES YES YES YES! Understanding that  Jim’s decision to not go with Silver in the first movie is key here. He rejected Silver’s offer the first time because Silver had shown him he had intrinsic value, and Jim finally felt that the natural gifts he had were worth cultivating, that he did have the chance to explore who he could be on his own terms. Jim was comfortable being on his own, because he felt capable. Now, Jim and Silver bring out the best in each other, and the time apart has done them harm. Jim’s strings of social rejections are starting to fell like a glass ceiling he can’t overcome, and is finding more and more comfort in being a big fish in a pirates small pond, and the emotions of of being wanted that come with Silver is a powerful drug. But it’s a one way ticket away from any opportunities he could work towards, not to mention his barely repaired relationship with his mother. Meanwhile Silver has been slowly slipping back into the colder, more selfish self he was, a necessity for his lifestyle, and doesn’t want to loose his connection to Jim and what Jim brings out in him, but is still far enough gone to make the offer and try for the boat anyways, even if he knows it’s not what’s best. It’s an emotionally compelling decision. You want them to say yes, you know they shouldn’t

“Kate overhears this and is horrified, especially since the two have, of course, started falling for each other during the adventure.” - Hate. this I hate. Leaving shipping to they way side, what’s that “of course”? why do they have to fall for each other? Why the Disneytoon sequel love interest? I have a feeling her characterization would come at the cost of it. Why can’t they be rivals? why can’t they develop a mutual respect outside of attraction? Why can’t they both learn an individualized lesson about finding their own place in the world outside of social constraints as foils without macking? I hate this concept. Kate overhears, and is horrified, because Silver is a Pirate which is actually in universe get yourself hanged offense, and Jim is considering this, and they are going to steal a VERY IMPORTANT BOAT and and leave her stranded in a dagerous prison, and are making an objectively morally bad decision.

“Ironbeard discovers the intruders, charging into a fight in which Silver is injured. Meanwhile, the other pirates throw down ladders to the prison below, allowing swarms of elated prisoners to climb up into the ship. Silver, Jim, and Kate exit the Centurion amidst all the confusion. However, Ironbeard shoots down Silver’s ship. They plummet to the prison asteroid below, crash-landing” - cool. Drama. But for my purposes, lets tweak it so Silver isn’t injured yet. But I really want to emphasize that this attack does not interrupt before Jim can react to Silver’s offer. Even something as tentative as “I’m not sure” has consequences. None of this “misunderstanding” BS.

“ Kate is angry at Jim and storms off. “- again, make it clear that Jim showed a real chance of agreeing to steal the ship. if she’s angry before he had a chance to answer that’s contrivance for drama’s sake. Give her a reason to be mad

“ Jim is about to blow her off as well when Silver tells him to give her a chance. He reveals a part of his past through a flashback, when a young (non-cyborg) Silver screwed up a relationship with the love of his life – a decision which directly led to his life of piracy. “ - nope. nope nope nope . I’m gonna put a big old * here because this is reason number 3 why I hate this potential movie, and I will get to that believe me, but here’s me, putting a pin in it. That being said, have Silver selfishly try to double down on getting Jim to join him in a three way argument instead. This is the conflict of the film. Kate, who was learning to grow outside of the strict restrictions of her life and do her own work, make her own way, is being rejected. She is as morally repulsed as she is hurt that she wasn’t included, and hates herself for that hurt as well. Jim is torn between the freedom of what he could be after the academy paired with the strict social constructs around it, and the freedom of a life “full of himself and no ties to anyone” but running from the law and the two friends they represent. Silver is the aggressor here. He likes Kate, he does, but he loves Jim and only has one place in his heart, and has spent his life being selfish. There’s already a crew on board, and Iron beard is hooked into the Centurion. With having the only other means to navigate, they take down ironbeard, the rest will surely fall in line. This is paydirt. A fantastic ship, a bloodthirsty crew, and Jim.

“Silver has a very dangerous cargo with him that he had been trying to smuggle and sell for a fortune, which has the power of a neutron bomb. Jim, Kate and Silver reconcile and work together to fix Silver’s ship and prevent the Centurion, filled with the most evil pirates in the galaxy, from going on an insane robbing-and-killing spree. At the last second, Silver reluctantly gives up his “retirement fund” in order to destroy the Centurion, with Ironbeard and all the pirates on board.” - this entire section needs rewritten. That’s a mcguffin Silver put it away. I have retconned the mcguffin to be the old map, so that is now moot. Now to not blow up the ship. Afterall, Silver and Jim have both already overcome what Treasure Planet represented with it’s destruction. Rather, B plot

If we are that desperate to have past characters in, let’s have Amelia and Delbert back home. When the Centurion is captured, Amelia immediately volunteers to fallow, feeling responsible for Jim and secretly pining for some adventure. Delbert feels the same, and he to a bit of an adrenaline junkie after the events of the first movie, but they have the children to think about and only one can leave. Delbert is the one chosen to help by the navy officials searching for the Centurion. While Amelia bickers with the Admiral Blake over his pragmatic but emotionally distant decisions over the situation of his missing daughter, Delbert is an astronomer, and is blah blah blah science meta, fallow the flashing  and bending lights around the cloaked ship to find it. As in Delbert is helpful. Amelia in a reflation to Admiral Blake, is torn between her family and commandeering her own ship to help. Blake is frustratingly headstrong in his decisions, and the script makes it seem like that emotional distance is disinterests, but reveals to the audience that it incorporates a great deal of suppression of his anxieties and worries over his daughter, and trust in her abilities, though he has issues expressing this pride to Kate herself. Amelia, Delbert and fam make what is probably a poor decision in commandeering a ship and leaving on their own to track the Centurion, the navy hot on their heels.

Back to A plot, the navy is approaching. Jim has to make a decision. He is the only one who knows how to unmask the ship using the old ones tech without training, as it’s based off the map. While Kate and Silver are distracting iron beard, he has to either steal the ship and sail off, or uncloak it for the navy. Iron beard is taken down, but not without Silver getting injured. Jim decides that Silver’s life is worth more than anything, and after agreeing with Kate that she’ll commandeer a doctor and wont let Silver die, uncloaks the ship. The Centurion is retaken in a blaze of naval glory that is the action climax. The pirates fight back up are over run. Maybe Kate gets taken hostage as the Admirals daughter, as an opportunity for a resolution with her arc as Blake’s distant daughter, though obviously said resolution comes at her showing her abilities in taking care of herself and the practical skills she has learned.

“Silver again parts from Jim and Kate, telling them to take care of each other. A few years later, Jim and Kate graduate with honors, while a proud Silver secretly watches from the shadows, smiling” - Boooooo. Kate and her dad make up, and she challenges him that she’s going to one day Captain the Centurion, with him understanding that she needs less a mentor and more an emotional support while she works her way up the ranks. She invites Jim to be her first mate, to which Jim accepts as a navigator, (a thing I’ve pointed out to be his real strength in another post). But to Silver, who has been “pardoned” for his part in retaking the Centurion, the movie hinting that he to would be on the eventual crew there I fixed it fic to come I s2g.

yeah there’s a lot of good there, but it’s so easy to fix the bad it’s frustrating. which brings me to

Reason 3: that little pin

“ Jim is about to blow her off as well when Silver tells him to give her a chance. He reveals a part of his past through a flashback, when a young (non-cyborg) Silver screwed up a relationship with the love of his life – a decision which directly led to his life of piracy. “

Nope nope nope I’ll tell you why.

First of all, sources like the artbook say that Jim is so Important to Silver because he’s the first person Silver has ever let become important. he’s specifically stated to have no family, never married, no children. And that’s something he cultivated actively. His life of piracy, his metal limbs, his loneliness and moral failings were all gleefully accumulated for one reason and one reason only

Treasure Planet.

Treasure Planet was the great love of Silver’s life. It was a lifelong obsession. It destroyed his body, took his youth, his opportunities and nearly his life. He broke Jim’s heart over it.

And he let it go. For Jim.

And Jim understood this

This is the crux of treasure planet’s very themes. This is where Jim found self worth. Another person finally looked at him and said “you matter, you matter more than anything. I like being around you and I choose you first.” and it made Jim realize he’s someone worth choosing.

The treasure was EVERYTHING to Silver, and Silver let it go, for Jim.

That one line there, attributing the start of Silver’s fall to a girl? that actively retcons the entire theme of the previous movie. IT rewrite the emotional linchpin of Silver’s sacrifice of the gold. And actually fuck that. right into the ground. I do not accept. I do not pass go. I refuse. Fuck you non existent movie. That makes me mad. every single time. Hate I shall never let go.

No

[akherontraveler]

Today is "Beauty and the Beast" 30th anniversary and, of course, I had to make something!

Sooo here is my little tribute to this amazing masterpiece of animation. This movie is one the main reasons I'm an artist today and I'll be forever grateful for it.

Thank you so much Kirk Wise, Gary Trousdale, Don Hahn, Glen Keane, Linda Woolverton and everyone who brought this beautiful movie into existence.

Alright, I hope you guys like it and sorry if my english is bad.

(I know the enchantress only appears in that christmas special but I didn't like the empty space between Beast, the rose and Maurice, okay?)

[enigma-absolute]

Thanks for being patient with me Kirbo! I'm obviously not great with consistently on tag games, but I felt the vibe to go with this one.

1. Three non-romantic duos: Luke and Leia (SW), Zoro and Kiki (@ablatheringblatherskite's sibling duo from One Piece, I haven't seen or read any of it but I am here to support her OCs), and Peter and Arrio (Chrumblr RP shenanigans, they are literally Those Two Guys and Arrio is in a comedy duo doing bits against his will but they're gonna be great)

2. Surprising ship: The fact that I actually have anything to actively ship at all is a surprise after being a non-shipper in a passive sense for a while (read: didn't really fully connect with them but respected them!)

Unsurprisingly to all who know by now, it's SpiderSaber and no, I will not be shamed for OCxCanon shipping.

3. Last song: According to Spotify, it's a piano cover of 'Right Here in My Arms' from the Barbie Island Princess movie. I may not remember all the lyrics but it still hits me in the chest /pos

4. Last film: Uhh, the one I attempted and failed to sit down in whole for or short films? If it's the former, then TASM1. If it's the latter, then it's Duet by Glen Keane.

5. Currently reading: email drafts and teaching ESL study.

6. Currently watching: Aside from youtube vids? Nothing.

7. Currently consuming: Water. Hydrate or Dydrate.

8. Currently craving: either that REALLY good chicken cheeseburger from a more beachy suburb, or a white chocolate chai.

Open tag to all bc guess who's still bad at this!

9 people you'd like to know better

Done this one recently, so I'm changing the questions up. Thanks for the tag @authortobenamedlater.

1. Three non-romantic duos: Anakin & Rex, Nancy & Peggy, Christina & Melanie

2. A ship that might surprise others: Ben/Rey. Except not the way it's done in the movies.😅 There's a bunch of AU versions I've seen in fanart that made me start liking them, and now I have my own AU for them.

3. Last song: 'The Force Theme' by Samuel Kim.

4. Last film: Revenge of the Sith last night with my big brother.

5. Currently reading: lots of SW fanfic, Jedi Trial by David Sherman and Dan Cragg

6. Currently watching: Loki w my sister, Book of Boba Fett w a friend

7. Currently consuming: last thing I ate was a bowl of granola for breakfast

8. Currently craving: to turn my phone off and concentrate on writing for a solid hour. I have a fic to finish.

Tagging @dont-do-rice-babes @stargazer-luna @helloalyss @clawedandcute @kraytwriter @musewrangler @thefinaljediknight @sailforvalinor @ablatheringblatherskite